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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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    #1472
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Handy after a CX race, you could hose yourself down and throw one on,

    If there's any sports group always on the lookout for some overpriced, not-strictly-necessary, latest fad accessory to waste their money on... it's us!


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    #1473
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,511 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Paddigol wrote: »
    If there's any sports group always on the lookout for some overpriced, not-strictly-necessary, latest fad accessory to waste their money on... it's us!

    I hear the specific type of towel fabric it uses lightly scuffs the skin to create eddies as you cycle and reduces your overall CdA by 0.8%
    Marginal gains, blah, blah, blah


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    #1474
    Macy0161
    Registered Users Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Meh, I think if you were swimming/ camping/ changing out of the back of the car often they're alright value for money (although didn't pay as much as is being quoted now). They will last for years. One of those things you don't know you need until you have one.


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    #1475
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,598 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I think people are focusing too much on the actual towel coat here. It's not about the pros or cons of a jacket but the fact it's the uniform of a group of people who are jumping on a gas.

    I'm kinda on the fence about it. In one sense it's always great to see new people get into sports and fitness but there is a habit when these fads start for people to invade an area and give no respect to the unwritten rules that have built up over many years


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    #1476
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I think people are focusing too much on the actual towel coat here. It's not about the pros or cons of a jacket but the fact it's the uniform of a group of people who are jumping on a gas.

    I'm kinda on the fence about it. In one sense it's always great to see new people get into sports and fitness but there is a habit when these fads start for people to invade an area and give no respect to the unwritten rules that have built up over many years

    I can kind of see where you're coming from but to be honest I've not time for the kind of elitism you're describing. It doesn't sound to me as though there's been any disrespect shown by people who happen to wear DryRobes, just a snobbery that what was previously seen as a hardy past time has now become more common. If people have an issue they should address it like adults. It's not their sea. Its not their beach. Its not their patch of sand. No matter how many times they've used it. Usually by being welcoming to newbies, providing advice on a take-it or leave-it basis, even just polite conversations, these sort of issues are avoided. We desperately need more people participating in sports/ outdoor activities in this country and anything that makes that more difficult - like elitism/ snobbery - can **** right off in my book. It's up there with cyclists who snort at newbies wearing pro team gear... "its just not the done thing"... I mean, **** off!! They're riding their bike. Wearing clothes. Minding their own business. Get over yourself!

    (None of this directed at you Breezy BTW!)


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    #1477
    Large bottle small glass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,721 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I think people are focusing too much on the actual towel coat here. It's not about the pros or cons of a jacket but the fact it's the uniform of a group of people who are jumping on a gas.

    I'm kinda on the fence about it. In one sense it's always great to see new people get into sports and fitness but there is a habit when these fads start for people to invade an area and give no respect to the unwritten rules that have built up over many years

    I've been sea swimming on at least a weekly basis for 5 years now.

    When I started there was a local increase in numbers which I was part of it. People on that beach ranged from no hopers like me to life long grey haired swimmers, young mothers and a few proper hardcore swimmers (including two channel swimmers and ice mile swimmers)

    Having being involved in lots of team sports, hiking/cycling/kayaking clubs over the years it was the probably the nicest open group I was ever involved with; really welcoming, social, helpful etc.

    Dry robes in that group where quite common especially among the newer members but I can't remember any nonsense around them. I had no interest, the cold was part of the draw for me.

    Over those 5 years I've always been struck but how few days in the year the average person will go to the sea. Bar it's really hot numbers have been ridiculously low on what I would consider near perfect days.

    That all changed with the second lockdown. Numbers had increased significantly over last 18 months or so but things went mental about 6 weeks ago.

    The primary issue I see is cnutish behavior around parking and use of common areas by a tiny number of people. I think you'd get that irrespective of activity where people have to compete for anything but especially car parking space; whatever it does to the human brain.

    As an aside there is a common trait seen in lots of people new to a sport when they will try and "buy" their way into a sport to compensate for a lack of knowledge/experience. That something that shouldn't need to be explained on a cycling forum(you could insert hiking/golf/rugby etc etc there though).

    Buy is quicker than learn I suppose.

    The addition of the extra stuff can actually take from the experience of the activity. Swimming in just your togs/swimsuit and barefoot is probably the only time in your day/week you will have such a simple pure connection with nature. The wet suit/booties/dry robe etc etc will inhibit your body's adaptation to its surroundings. Something is lost by the addition.

    The same argument applies to the newbie hiker who immediately buys a gps unit rather than learning how to read the ground and a map or a poor descender who buys a disc braked bike before improving his/her skillset.

    This of course peaks in one activity in which most participants are sh1t at 3 sports with a shed full of gear(including dry robes!!)... answers on a postcard


    WTF has this got to do with the thread:)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxR-D913Ktc

    EDIT added the rather corny add Dulux did on the old school swimmers where I used to swim


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    #1478
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    I've a theory on this, which is that there is a public need for someone to target on the one hand - which the media fully endorses - and the dwindling list of potential targets because the victims are quite rightly standing up for themselves and saying they wont accept this crap any more.

    Hence in Ireland, its publicly not acceptable to be homophobic. But its still broadly acceptable (for example on this website) to be anti traveller.

    The media takes a high moral stance when it comes to the former. It happily puts the boot in with the latter.

    The Irish Times is the best example of this. They are as right on as one can possibly be when it comes to BLM, right to choose, marriage equality.

    But they'll quite happily for example be dismissive of the role of fathers in parenting.

    Its pretty well accepted now that the IT has 'form' when it comes to targetting cyclists, particularly on its letters page. Its perfectly acceptable to use the derogatory term MAMIL.

    This Dryrobe thing in my view is a continuation of same.


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    #1479
    Hurrache
    Registered Users Posts: 10,165 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I'm kinda on the fence about it. In one sense it's always great to see new people get into sports and fitness but there is a habit when these fads start for people to invade an area and give no respect to the unwritten rules that have built up over many years

    It's a sea, feic unwritten rules.


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    #1480
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,598 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Paddigol wrote: »
    I can kind of see where you're coming from but to be honest I've not time for the kind of elitism you're describing. It doesn't sound to me as though there's been any disrespect shown by people who happen to wear DryRobes, just a snobbery that what was previously seen as a hardy past time has now become more common. If people have an issue they should address it like adults. It's not their sea. Its not their beach. Its not their patch of sand. No matter how many times they've used it. Usually by being welcoming to newbies, providing advice on a take-it or leave-it basis, even just polite conversations, these sort of issues are avoided. We desperately need more people participating in sports/ outdoor activities in this country and anything that makes that more difficult - like elitism/ snobbery - can **** right off in my book. It's up there with cyclists who snort at newbies wearing pro team gear... "its just not the done thing"... I mean, **** off!! They're riding their bike. Wearing clothes. Minding their own business. Get over yourself!

    (None of this directed at you Breezy BTW!)

    I've actually never seen a dryrobe myself or go to beaches in Dublin but there was similar tuttuting at the kids on the west coast for swimming in wetsuits. I couldn't care less what people wear when they are out doing stuff as long as they leave the place as they found it and if you are going to a nice quiet relaxing place just remember to act nice and quiet and relaxed ( I'm not saying the dryrobe people are not doing that as I've never met one)


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    #1481
    cletus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭cletus


    I've no opinions on people wearing dryrobes. Up until yesterday I was labouring under a misapprehension with regards to what they actually were. They look lovely and warm, and I'm sure they're comfortable, but I personally couldn't justify the cost.

    With regards to the issues around posters going up and people being targeted for wearing them, or breaking unwritten rules, thats all utterly ridiculous. The idea that an adult could dictate to another adult how they should dress after a swim baffles me.


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    #1482
    magicbastarder
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    Large bottle small glass wrote: »
    WTF has this got to do with the thread:)
    i think i was the one who originally commented on the fuss, likening it to some of the attitudes people have about 'lycra clad' cyclists.
    my friend has one, bought for him by his wife IIRC, after he had an experience with cold shock getting out of the sea one day.

    i've been down at their place twice in the last couple of years for new years (and the new year's day morning dip) and the bunch there are an exceptionally friendly crowd.


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    #1483
    Macy0161
    Registered Users Posts: 9,290 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    If someone wants to just get out for a swim in the sea, be that with wetsuit, boots, gloves, cap and dryrobe, and isn't interested in the full "connect with nature" experience, so what? They could quite easily be people who normally swim every day, in a pool, looking for options in the middle of bloody global pandemic with pools closed!

    This country would drive you nuts sometimes - people "open the pubs/ families to mix/ meet my friends inside for a coffee (delete as applicable) for peoples "mental health"". Also people "don't get a bit of headspace by swimming in the sea because you dare to wear a dry robe and don't conform to my opinion of you need hardship to open water swim".


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    #1484
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,511 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I really do think the whole thing was just a joke that some papers took seriously and don't get sarcasm. It's not much different than my non cycling mates who do the Ned Flanders "feels like you're wearing nothing at all" every time they see me in lycra. It's just a joke and I really don't think anyone in real life takes it seriously. Or at least I hope not.


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    #1485
    Duckjob
    Registered Users Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    cletus wrote: »
    I've no opinions on people wearing dryrobes. Up until yesterday I was labouring under a misapprehension with regards to what they actually were. They look lovely and warm, and I'm sure they're comfortable, but I personally couldn't justify the cost.

    With regards to the issues around posters going up and people being targeted for wearing them, or breaking unwritten rules, thats all utterly ridiculous. The idea that an adult could dictate to another adult how they should dress after a swim baffles me.


    "That's not how we do things around here"

    You're talking there about the same type of idiots that on a bike make comments about cheating to someone that pulls up at the lights beside them on an eBike.


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    #1486
    daragh_
    Registered Users Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭daragh_


    It's a manufactured culture war. There's a distinct lack of fisticuffs between the Daily Communicants and the Dip at Dawn Instagrammers down at the Forty Foot. Nobody gives a damn what you wear once you don't hog the steps getting in/out.


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    #1487
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,885 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    what the f*ck are yous on about?


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    #1488
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I thought I read last week that there were just four fines issued - still 28 is not that much better than four...
    https://twitter.com/SafeCyclingEire/status/1333176089766744064


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    #1489
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,494 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i think it was 4 in a specific area? DLR maybe?


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    #1490
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Just spotted that now, thanks.

    https://twitter.com/IrishCycle/status/1333158256538243076


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    #1491
    cletus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭cletus


    https://twitter.com/miketomalaris/status/1332908112496316416


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    #1492
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,975 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    cletus wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/miketomalaris/status/1332908112496316416

    The amount of victim blaming in the replies is unbelievable :eek:


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    #1493
    breezy1985
    Registered Users Posts: 24,598 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    WTF was that. Surely not just an accident


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    #1494
    cletus
    Registered Users Posts: 7,884 ✭✭✭cletus


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    WTF was that. Surely not just an accident

    According to a number of replies, the car stopped a couple of hundred metres up the road, and both the police and an ambulance attended the scene


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    #1495
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Wow thats a scary one.

    I reported a close pass to Mountjoy Garda Station last year, never heard a thing back.

    Thanks.


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    #1496
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,885 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    jesus that made me jump


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    #1497
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,450 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Hopefully all ok and no serious injuries. That is shocking beyond belief. I like to think there was no vindictiveness or malice intended by the driver - even if that was 'just' a punishment pass. But regardless, should someone with that level of driving skill be allowed hold a license to drive a multi-ton vehicle at speeds exceeding 100km on roads shared with runners, walkers and cyclists? It makes a mockery of the licensing system that you can fail your test numerous times for the most insignificant of errors, and yet once you get the thing its almost impossible to lose it despite appalling displays of ineptitude, carelessness, negligence and willful misconduct.

    That was just shocking. Hopefully no lasting scars, physical or mental. I know I'd be fairly shook up if taken out like that even if I managed to avoid broken bones.


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    #1498
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Ironic how in the video, the driver waits for a safe place to pull in.


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    #1499
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Paddigol wrote: »
    I like to think there was no vindictiveness or malice intended by the driver - even if that was 'just' a punishment pass.

    It's probably impossible to prove intent, but in an ideal world people who take it into their heads to use motorised vehicles to do punishment passes or prank passes just wouldn't have licences, regardless of whether they're otherwise good or bad drivers.

    (Not disagreeing with you, Paddigol; intending to collide is obviously more serious again.)


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    #1500
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,511 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Even if there was no intent, that person still should not have a license and allowing them to continue to do so enforces the idea that not paying attention is acceptable and OK, even if you do kill or seriously injure someone.


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    #1501
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,494 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i've frequently been bemused by the notion that the gardai can stop you for driving illegally, and in many of those contexts, you're allowed drive off again, suitably chastened. it's kinda like being caught shoplifting in arnott's and being allowed remain on premises after to complete your shopping.


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