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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

magicbastarder

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Hurrache

breezy1985 wrote: »

I'm kinda on the fence about it. In one sense it's always great to see new people get into sports and fitness but there is a habit when these fads start for people to invade an area and give no respect to the unwritten rules that have built up over many years

It's a sea, feic unwritten rules.

breezy1985

Paddigol wrote: »

I can kind of see where you're coming from but to be honest I've not time for the kind of elitism you're describing. It doesn't sound to me as though there's been any disrespect shown by people who happen to wear DryRobes, just a snobbery that what was previously seen as a hardy past time has now become more common. If people have an issue they should address it like adults. It's not their sea. Its not their beach. Its not their patch of sand. No matter how many times they've used it. Usually by being welcoming to newbies, providing advice on a take-it or leave-it basis, even just polite conversations, these sort of issues are avoided. We desperately need more people participating in sports/ outdoor activities in this country and anything that makes that more difficult - like elitism/ snobbery - can **** right off in my book. It's up there with cyclists who snort at newbies wearing pro team gear... "its just not the done thing"... I mean, **** off!! They're riding their bike. Wearing clothes. Minding their own business. Get over yourself!

(None of this directed at you Breezy BTW!)

I've actually never seen a dryrobe myself or go to beaches in Dublin but there was similar tuttuting at the kids on the west coast for swimming in wetsuits. I couldn't care less what people wear when they are out doing stuff as long as they leave the place as they found it and if you are going to a nice quiet relaxing place just remember to act nice and quiet and relaxed ( I'm not saying the dryrobe people are not doing that as I've never met one)

cletus

I've no opinions on people wearing dryrobes. Up until yesterday I was labouring under a misapprehension with regards to what they actually were. They look lovely and warm, and I'm sure they're comfortable, but I personally couldn't justify the cost.

With regards to the issues around posters going up and people being targeted for wearing them, or breaking unwritten rules, thats all utterly ridiculous. The idea that an adult could dictate to another adult how they should dress after a swim baffles me.

magicbastarder

Large bottle small glass wrote: »

WTF has this got to do with the thread:)

i think i was the one who originally commented on the fuss, likening it to some of the attitudes people have about 'lycra clad' cyclists.
my friend has one, bought for him by his wife IIRC, after he had an experience with cold shock getting out of the sea one day.

i've been down at their place twice in the last couple of years for new years (and the new year's day morning dip) and the bunch there are an exceptionally friendly crowd.

Macy0161

If someone wants to just get out for a swim in the sea, be that with wetsuit, boots, gloves, cap and dryrobe, and isn't interested in the full "connect with nature" experience, so what? They could quite easily be people who normally swim every day, in a pool, looking for options in the middle of bloody global pandemic with pools closed!

This country would drive you nuts sometimes - people "open the pubs/ families to mix/ meet my friends inside for a coffee (delete as applicable) for peoples "mental health"". Also people "don't get a bit of headspace by swimming in the sea because you dare to wear a dry robe and don't conform to my opinion of you need hardship to open water swim".

CramCycle

I really do think the whole thing was just a joke that some papers took seriously and don't get sarcasm. It's not much different than my non cycling mates who do the Ned Flanders "feels like you're wearing nothing at all" every time they see me in lycra. It's just a joke and I really don't think anyone in real life takes it seriously. Or at least I hope not.

Duckjob

cletus wrote: »

I've no opinions on people wearing dryrobes. Up until yesterday I was labouring under a misapprehension with regards to what they actually were. They look lovely and warm, and I'm sure they're comfortable, but I personally couldn't justify the cost.

With regards to the issues around posters going up and people being targeted for wearing them, or breaking unwritten rules, thats all utterly ridiculous. The idea that an adult could dictate to another adult how they should dress after a swim baffles me.

"That's not how we do things around here"

You're talking there about the same type of idiots that on a bike make comments about cheating to someone that pulls up at the lights beside them on an eBike.

daragh_

It's a manufactured culture war. There's a distinct lack of fisticuffs between the Daily Communicants and the Dip at Dawn Instagrammers down at the Forty Foot. Nobody gives a damn what you wear once you don't hog the steps getting in/out.

Thelonious Monk

what the f*ck are yous on about?

Seth Brundle

I thought I read last week that there were just four fines issued - still 28 is not that much better than four...
https://twitter.com/SafeCyclingEire/status/1333176089766744064

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magicbastarder

i think it was 4 in a specific area? DLR maybe?

Seth Brundle

Just spotted that now, thanks.

https://twitter.com/IrishCycle/status/1333158256538243076

cletus

https://twitter.com/miketomalaris/status/1332908112496316416

Seth Brundle

cletus wrote: »

https://twitter.com/miketomalaris/status/1332908112496316416

The amount of victim blaming in the replies is unbelievable :eek:

breezy1985

WTF was that. Surely not just an accident

cletus

breezy1985 wrote: »

WTF was that. Surely not just an accident

According to a number of replies, the car stopped a couple of hundred metres up the road, and both the police and an ambulance attended the scene

Tombo2001

Wow thats a scary one.

I reported a close pass to Mountjoy Garda Station last year, never heard a thing back.

Thanks.

Thelonious Monk

jesus that made me jump

Paddigol

Hopefully all ok and no serious injuries. That is shocking beyond belief. I like to think there was no vindictiveness or malice intended by the driver - even if that was 'just' a punishment pass. But regardless, should someone with that level of driving skill be allowed hold a license to drive a multi-ton vehicle at speeds exceeding 100km on roads shared with runners, walkers and cyclists? It makes a mockery of the licensing system that you can fail your test numerous times for the most insignificant of errors, and yet once you get the thing its almost impossible to lose it despite appalling displays of ineptitude, carelessness, negligence and willful misconduct.

That was just shocking. Hopefully no lasting scars, physical or mental. I know I'd be fairly shook up if taken out like that even if I managed to avoid broken bones.

Tombo2001

Ironic how in the video, the driver waits for a safe place to pull in.

tomasrojo

Paddigol wrote: »

I like to think there was no vindictiveness or malice intended by the driver - even if that was 'just' a punishment pass.

It's probably impossible to prove intent, but in an ideal world people who take it into their heads to use motorised vehicles to do punishment passes or prank passes just wouldn't have licences, regardless of whether they're otherwise good or bad drivers.

(Not disagreeing with you, Paddigol; intending to collide is obviously more serious again.)

CramCycle

Even if there was no intent, that person still should not have a license and allowing them to continue to do so enforces the idea that not paying attention is acceptable and OK, even if you do kill or seriously injure someone.

magicbastarder

i've frequently been bemused by the notion that the gardai can stop you for driving illegally, and in many of those contexts, you're allowed drive off again, suitably chastened. it's kinda like being caught shoplifting in arnott's and being allowed remain on premises after to complete your shopping.

Thelonious Monk

In fairness I'd say some people, maybe even most people including the authorities would blame those cyclists for that accident for cycling two abreast.

Seth Brundle

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness I'd say some people, maybe even most people including the authorities would blame those cyclists for that accident for cycling two abreast.

...but that is part of the problem.
Most people don't know the advice and rules and following years of nonsense in the media about cycling there's now a belief that people on bikes are a form of second class road user.
Like the nonsense that the troll was saying earlier, there is a belief that cycle lanes are mandatory. There's a belief that people on bikes must wear certain types of clothing - in fact in legal cases, compensation is often reduced because a cyclist wasn't wearing high-viz or a helmet and therefore was partly responsible for the injuries (this happened me years ago).
As a society, we happily accept a lax knowledge and application of the rules of the road if we're driving (to the point that we can kill and get off lightly). However, sit on a saddle and everyone else thinks they know everything about what you should be doing.

Tombo2001

Seth Brundle wrote: »

...but that is part of the problem.
Most people don't know the advice and rules and following years of nonsense in the media about cycling there's now a belief that people on bikes are a form of second class road user.
Like the nonsense that the troll was saying earlier, there is a belief that cycle lanes are mandatory. There's a belief that people on bikes must wear certain types of clothing - in fact in legal cases, compensation is often reduced because a cyclist wasn't wearing high-viz or a helmet and therefore was partly responsible for the injuries (this happened me years ago).
As a society, we happily accept a lax knowledge and application of the rules of the road if we're driving (to the point that we can kill and get off lightly). However, sit on a saddle and everyone else thinks they know everything about what you should be doing.

That time I reported a close pass - I was in bike lane that is part of a bus lane in Drumcondra.

I was overtaking a cyclist in front of me.

While overtaking, a taxi overtakes the both of us - within the bus lane.

I reported - and the garda said to me - "and are you allowed overtake another cyclist".....

Certainly had the effect of stopping me in my tracks.

Seth Brundle

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I reported - and the garda said to me - "and are you allowed overtake another cyclist".....

FFS! I'd probably just have asked him to let me talk to a real garda :rolleyes:

Seth Brundle

Here we go again in the IT...
Electric scooters and cyclists

Sir, – I note that the Minister for Transport is keen to introduce legislation with regard to electric scooters. In drawing up such legislation, he might consider making it mandatory for users to wear helmets, high-visibility garments and to display lights back and front.

While he’s at it, these items should also be made mandatory for cyclists. I see so many of them with no lights, no helmets and nothing to make them visible, especially on dark evenings. – Yours, etc,

SANDY WAGSTAFF,
Churchtown,
Dublin 14.

Duckjob

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Here we go again in the IT...
Electric scooters and cyclists

They need to start pinning these sort of letters with those "Check the facts on..." links that Twitter put on Trumps tweets and nonsense FB posts.

tomasrojo

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Here we go again in the IT...
Electric scooters and cyclists

As always, this phrase turns up in the invisibility argument: " I see so many of them"