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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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    #1442
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    about two years ago, there was a fatality as a result of a cyclist/pedestrian collision, the pedestrian died; it might have been clonmel, but i'd only be 20% certain of that. does anyone know if there was ever an inquest?
    Are you thinking of this one from this year - https://irishcycle.com/2020/01/10/man-dies-after-collision-between-cyclist-and-pedestrian-on-n24-in/

    The deceased was Thomas O’Brien and apparently the collision was on the N24 which I don't think has a footpath but a hard shoulder for most of it.


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    #1443
    Seth Brundle
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    So if there is a massive backlog of trucks because of Brexit it's cyclists the cyclists fault too. People never seem to cop that the extra lane won't mean less trucks
    I presume some British cyclists voted for Brexit so yes, it's because of cyclists!


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    #1444
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,639 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Are you thinking of this one from this year - https://irishcycle.com/2020/01/10/man-dies-after-collision-between-cyclist-and-pedestrian-on-n24-in/

    The deceased was Thomas O’Brien and apparently the collision was on the N24 which I don't think has a footpath but a hard shoulder for most of it.
    yeah, that's the one. odd, i had remembered it as being much longer ago than that.


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    #1445
    Large bottle small glass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Are you thinking of this one from this year - https://irishcycle.com/2020/01/10/man-dies-after-collision-between-cyclist-and-pedestrian-on-n24-in/

    The deceased was Thomas O’Brien and apparently the collision was on the N24 which I don't think has a footpath but a hard shoulder for most of it.

    There is an off road cycle/pedestrian lane on southern side of N24 on western end of by pass.

    I'd know a bit about it but not sure what is in public domain/if any pending prosecutions etc so can't say anymore.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115369376&postcount=702

    Following on from this post, a car hitting a post at parking speed can be fatal( the pole wasn't in good shape)

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/4449598/pedestrian-freak-tipperary-road-crash-pole/

    In about 18 months there's been 5 road fatalities within spitting distance of Clonmel. One "regular" type crash the other all freakish/unusual for different reasons


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    #1446
    buffalo
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    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    ...and another letter in the Irish Times


    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/transport-in-the-capital-1.4416066

    That letter writer also previously wrote to the IT objecting to the cycle route in Sandymount...
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/sandymount-cycle-route-1.4377867

    I'm puzzled by this one - is the writer suggesting that a massive queue of idling lorries would be a better use of Strand Road than a cycle lane?


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    #1447
    Seth Brundle
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    If it allows them to keep the road as-is so they can continue to drive then yes.
    I don't think the author or anyone involved in the STC has any credibility to be honest with their seemingly disingenuous approach.


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    #1448
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Anybody surprised with this?
    I'm looking forwards to seeing the figures for other regions.

    https://twitter.com/dublincycling/status/1330887962008186880


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    #1449
    Seth Brundle
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    Found it! :eek:

    https://twitter.com/dlrcycling/status/1330849663654703105
    https://twitter.com/dlrcycling/status/1330884943589896192


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    #1450
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/uknews/police-catch-hundreds-of-drivers-using-mobile-phones-on-single-day/ar-BB1bhsAI?ocid=msedgntp

    Interesting statistics. We're not even talking about outwardly/ obvious dangerous driving here - just the sort of driving that goes unnoticed unless there's an accident (if it would even be detected then). I won't hold my breath for outraged letters in the IT, one-sided discussions by Pat Kenny or calls to Joe Duffy though.

    When you factor in the obvious offences of speeding and red-light jumping, it's amazing just how frequent the law is broken. Despite the massive disconnect in potential consequences between breaking the law on a bike versus in a car/ truck, its amazing just how vitriolic the commentary about cyclists is in the media here. It can be basically summarized as "Yeah, I know the potential for death/ serious injury by breaking the law in a car is massive, but we're in a rush, have important things to do, and, well, that's just life. But cyclists are so self-righteous and get in my way. Something needs to be done about them".


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    #1451
    breezy1985
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    One that doesn't get talked about half enough at least in Limerick anyway is idiots parking on the double yellow lines right at the corner of turns. Of course it's the 2 vehicles that crash due to the now blind turn that will be mentioned but not the idiot who really caused it


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    #1452
    Type 17
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    So if there is a massive backlog of trucks because of Brexit it's cyclists the cyclists fault too. People never seem to cop that the extra lane won't mean less trucks
    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    I presume some British cyclists voted for Brexit so yes, it's because of cyclists!
    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    If it allows them to keep the road as-is so they can continue to drive then yes.
    I don't think the author or anyone involved in the STC has any credibility to be honest with their seemingly disingenuous approach.

    The letter writer is disingenuously presuming that all/many/some trucks from the port go across the East Link and down the Strand Road (& vice versa), when almost all of them go through the port tunnel (which was built to get HGVs away from the Liffey Quays, and is toll-free for them). Almost all HGVs on the Strand Road are local/Dublin region traffic, which won't be affected by Brexit.


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    #1453
    Seth Brundle
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    Type 17 wrote: »
    The letter writer is disingenuously presuming that all/many/some trucks from the port go across the East Link and down the Strand Road (& vice versa), when almost all of them go through the port tunnel (which was built to get HGVs away from the Liffey Quays, and is toll-free for them). Almost all HGVs on the Strand Road are local/Dublin region traffic, which won't be affected by Brexit.
    I presume that the letter writer knows this and it is part of the propaganda that seems to be emanating from the area about the consequences of the cycle lane.
    Like I said, I don't think the author or anyone involved in the STC has any credibility.


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    #1454
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,078 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Cyclist found with head injuries in Nenagh dies in hospital
    Fresh appeal for witnesses after Sean Clifford was found next to his bike in Co Tipperary town
    A cyclist who was found lying beside his bicycle with serious head injuries in Nenagh town last week has died.

    He has been named locally as Sean Clifford, who was in his 40s. He died at University Hospital Limerick following the incident at the junction of Emmet Place/Sarsfield Street and Mitchell Street last Wednesday afternoon.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/cyclist-found-with-head-injuries-in-nenagh-dies-in-hospital-1.4417045


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    #1455
    p15574
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    Type 17 wrote: »
    The letter writer is disingenuously presuming that all/many/some trucks from the port go across the East Link and down the Strand Road (& vice versa), when almost all of them go through the port tunnel (which was built to get HGVs away from the Liffey Quays, and is toll-free for them). Almost all HGVs on the Strand Road are local/Dublin region traffic, which won't be affected by Brexit.

    In addition, the trial will leave the southbound lane open there, so how can there be traffic backed up from the port? If it occurs at all, it should occur inbound, on the alternative, recommended HGV route.


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    #1456
    Tombo2001
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    I see a man convicted of dangerous driving resulting in fatal accident in Cork has been given a suspended sentence.

    Its truly shocking how lenient the judges are towards this form of crime.


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    #1457
    MojoMaker
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    Boils my blood.


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    #1458
    Seth Brundle
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    https://twitter.com/SafeCyclingEire/status/1331532619444604928


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    #1459
    DoraDelite
    Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭DoraDelite


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/SafeCyclingEire/status/1331532619444604928

    That's grim and the article blames the workplace conditions on their deaths rather than the fact that Australian cities are one of the most hostile and dangerous places to be on a bike.


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    #1460
    Seth Brundle
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    I think if workplace H&S applied then the employers would be shouting for the roads to be made safer.


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    #1461
    MangleBadger
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    DoraDelite wrote: »
    That's grim and the article blames the workplace conditions on their deaths rather than the fact that Australian cities are one of the most hostile and dangerous places to be on a bike.

    I didn't cycle while I lived in Oz. And sometimes I feel like I missed out because of the weather and good roads.
    But Australian drivers are some of the most needlessly dangerous and aggressive drivers I've ever come across


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    #1462
    cletus
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    MangleBadger wrote: »
    I didn't cycle while I lived in Oz. And sometimes I feel like I missed out because of the weather and good roads.
    But Australian drivers are some of the most needlessly dangerous and aggressive drivers I've ever come across

    I cycled while working in Cairns. Commuting only. A fairly unpleasant experience, especially considering the otherwise positive outlook the Australians have about outdoor activities


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    #1463
    Thargor
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    Mandatory helmet laws tells you all you need to know about their attitude.


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    #1464
    Type 17
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    cletus wrote: »
    Having glanced at some of the "dryrobe wars" stories popping up in the media, I'd like to retract the above statement.

    I do not own a dryrobe.

    I own a Decathlon surf poncho that I bought for €25


    €171 for a towel...

    Our Dryrobe wars have gone international...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/25/shivering-dublin-bay-swimmers-slighted-for-fancy-robes


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    #1465
    cletus
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    Type 17 wrote: »
    Our Dryrobe wars have gone international...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/25/shivering-dublin-bay-swimmers-slighted-for-fancy-robes


    I read the (rather slim) article, but was more interest in the photo of the dryrobe wearer. That thing is not a towel. It's a winter coat with a towel lining.

    I really assumed it was just a poncho towel thing with a hood and pockets. I think I understand why people wear them around all day.


    Still wouldn't pay €171 for one...


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    #1466
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Storme Delaney
    Now that's an even D first name.


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    #1467
    Hurrache
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    cletus wrote: »
    I read the (rather slim) article, but was more interest in the photo of the dryrobe wearer. That thing is not a towel. It's a winter coat with a towel lining.

    I really assumed it was just a poncho towel thing with a hood and pockets. I think I understand why people wear them around all day.


    Still wouldn't pay €171 for one...

    They're great, I've always wanted one for getting changed in random fields and parks after events, not for swimming, but baulk at the price every time. I've bought the kids generic ones and they love them.


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    #1468
    Seaswimmer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭Seaswimmer


    cletus wrote: »
    I read the (rather slim) article, but was more interest in the photo of the dryrobe wearer. That thing is not a towel. It's a winter coat with a towel lining.

    I really assumed it was just a poncho towel thing with a hood and pockets. I think I understand why people wear them around all day.


    Still wouldn't pay €171 for one...

    Without dragging the thread off topic Dry Robe is a bit of a misnomer. They don't dry you. Far better to get a towelling robe (25 euro) to dry yourself and lots of layers with a decent windproof jacket on top. Save your money.


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    #1469
    Macy0161
    Registered Users Posts: 9,318 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    My daughter has one - she does/ did surf life saving and was in a sea swimming club - and plenty of hardcore swimmers have them in that club.

    They're more about keeping warm than necessarily drying - they're "dry" because of the waterproof outer layer. We also have the towelling robes, and there's no comparison. 100% reverse snobbery with the anti-dry robes crowd.

    Brilliant for camping too by the way - great for evenings sat out in the Irish "summer".


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    #1470
    [Deleted User]
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    These are this years snuggie. Wonder will pennys do cheap knock offs (asking for a friend) then we'll see how cool they are among the swimmers when everybody has one :D


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    #1471
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Handy after a CX race, you could hose yourself down and throw one on,


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