Zwift spins

dahat · 28-03-2020 6:18pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Wonder when the CI official results will be going up, using Zwift power I am 7th in C but I know by the names, a load of people have messed up the CIZL team joining and I am really 20th. I can walk slowly up a stairs again. Hooray

Tough, you'll have lost out on points with tjst downgrade!!!!

lennymc · 28-03-2020 8:27pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Mistimed the sprint as I remembered the distance wrong. I currently can't walk right. I was roughly 310 but need a bigger screen for the next time as it's hard to keep track of what's going on. https://strava.app.link/qk4P8tfYd5

i sat on your wheel for a while, i thought you were waiting for me, then you buggered off up the road!!

Daroxtar · 28-03-2020 8:57pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Wonder when the CI official results will be going up, using Zwift power I am 7th in C but I know by the names, a load of people have messed up the CIZL team joining and I am really 20th. I can walk slowly up a stairs again. Hooray

There's still a bit of sorting out to do. I'm a long way back overall but might be a bit higher once the non CIZL riders are removed. Did you have to register AND join the CIZL team for the results to count?

CramCycle · 28-03-2020 10:23pm

Daroxtar wrote: »

There's still a bit of sorting out to do. I'm a long way back overall but might be a bit higher once the non CIZL riders are removed. Did you have to register AND join the CIZL team for the results to count?

I think you are meant to do both, if you registered and they notice, who knows. At the organisers discretion.

CramCycle · 28-03-2020 10:28pm

lennymc wrote: »

i sat on your wheel for a while, i thought you were waiting for me, then you buggered off up the road!!

My laptop decided it didn't want to pick up any devices so I had to switch to my phone. So it was nothing personal, I made two digs I can recall where a group of 10 or so broke off the front of the larger group we were in and I hadn't noticed so when I got near the front I dug in to bridge over. I found it hard to concntrate on the phone screen so there was no tactics from me bar hold a steady power and then dig in if i dropped back to much. It is some workout and nothing like road racing, trying to get out of the saddle is so weird. It will be seated efforts from now on.

my legs are still sore but I can walk up the stairs now.

Daroxtar · 28-03-2020 11:11pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I think you are meant to do both, if you registered and they notice, who knows. At the organisers discretion.

I did both. When I looked at the results earlier they weren't filtered but it's amended now.

Bambaata · 28-03-2020 11:24pm

Hard old race! Finished 22nd in the A, was in for the sprint but had no sprint in me! Might be top 10 irish as I count 15 ahead that dont seem to be Irish

https://strava.app.link/V99KXpGye5

dahat · 29-03-2020 12:17am

Bambaata wrote: »

Hard old race! Finished 22nd in the A, was in for the sprint but had bo sprint in me! Might be top 10 irish as I count 15 ahead that dont seemkto be Irish

https://strava.app.link/V99KXpGye5

42 mins plus at threshold hr & above, bet ya felt that for the day.

CramCycle · 29-03-2020 1:17am

Bambaata wrote: »

Hard old race! Finished 22nd in the A, was in for the sprint but had bo sprint in me! Might be top 10 irish as I count 15 ahead that dont seemkto be Irish

https://strava.app.link/V99KXpGye5

Savage stuff

Bambaata · 29-03-2020 9:20am

dahat wrote: »

42 mins plus at threshold hr & above, bet ya felt that for the day.

Still feeling it

CantGetNoSleep · 29-03-2020 11:51am

Has anyone noticed that every Zwift group ride seems to involve the ride leader complaining constantly that half the group is well ahead of the advertised pace?

Daroxtar · 29-03-2020 12:56pm

Bambaata wrote: »

Still feeling it

Yep, me too

martyc5674 · 29-03-2020 1:02pm

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Has anyone noticed that every Zwift group ride seems to involve the ride leader complaining constantly that half the group is well ahead of the advertised pace?

The fence was handy for that. Seems to be gone for the moment.

Crocked · 29-03-2020 1:20pm

Daroxtar wrote: »

I did the Cycling Ireland Zwift league race this morning. Pure slaughter. Entered the B cat which was roughly A3 looking at the names I recognised on screen and definitely above my grade. Managed to hang with the front bunch for about 3/4 of a lap then drifted badly back for a few minutes before giving it another good lash for the last 15km or so. Well done everyone who took part.
https://www.strava.com/activities/3226918577

I nearly sat up a couple of times as the pace was unrelenting, I saw you were in the same group which help me fight on longer than I would have. Think we finished in the same group at the end.

I hadn't coped you had to join the CIZL team as well so not sure if my result will count for that race.

martyc5674 · 29-03-2020 1:36pm

Crocked wrote: »

I nearly sat up a couple of times as the pace was unrelenting, I saw you were in the same group which help me fight on longer than I would have. Think we finished in the same group at the end.

I hadn't coped you had to join the CIZL team as well so not sure if my result will count for that race.

Are they regular zwift races that anyone can join that CI are piggybacking on?(I’m not CI)
If so anyone got a schedule

CramCycle · 29-03-2020 1:46pm

martyc5674 wrote: »

Are they regular zwift races that anyone can join that CI are piggybacking on?(I’m not CI)
If so anyone got a schedule

Download the Zwift companion app, filter for racs in your cat, there are loads every single day.

Daroxtar · 29-03-2020 1:46pm

Crocked wrote: »

I nearly sat up a couple of times as the pace was unrelenting, I saw you were in the same group which help me fight on longer than I would have. Think we finished in the same group at the end.

I hadn't coped you had to join the CIZL team as well so not sure if my result will count for that race.

If you were in the same group as me I think we're outside the points tbh

There's a bit of uncertainty about the need to join CIZL, I think it's mainly to make it easier to filter the results but at the end of the day C.I. have the list of names so they'll be cross checking the full results to get their own list

iwillhtfu · 29-03-2020 1:47pm

Is there a way to limit the riders you can see on zwift? I took a spin in there this morning, first time since this whole corona pandemic reared it's head and sweet baby jebus it was like dodgems just bouncing along off other avatars. On the other hand it was easy to pick up groups but also easily lost as you wade through a mire of bodies.

martyc5674 · 29-03-2020 3:07pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Download the Zwift companion app, filter for racs in your cat, there are loads every single day.

Ah I know that- been using Zwift a few years- my question is related to the CI races- are they exclusive or can anyone join?

Tenzor07 · 29-03-2020 3:11pm

iwillhtfu wrote: »

Is there a way to limit the riders you can see on zwift? I took a spin in there this morning, first time since this whole corona pandemic reared it's head and sweet baby jebus it was like dodgems just bouncing along off other avatars. On the other hand it was easy to pick up groups but also easily lost as you wade through a mire of bodies.

Zwift had its highest number of concurrent users ever, 20,000, and rising!

Just under 24,000 now...

Zwift need to unlock more worlds, having just two isn't enough...

CramCycle · 29-03-2020 3:14pm

martyc5674 wrote: »

Ah I know that- been using Zwift a few years- my question is related to the CI races- are they exclusive or can anyone join?

So far they are open races, and CI are using zwift power to pull and filter data. So yes, anyone can race, you will just be excluded from the official CI results which are another layer.

martyc5674 · 29-03-2020 3:48pm

CramCycle wrote: »

So far they are open races, and CI are using zwift power to pull and filter data. So yes, anyone can race, you will just be excluded from the official CI results which are another layer.

Perfect i might try one so- I used do a bit of racing on Zwift and it was crazy stuff altogether. I’m trying not to stress the body too much though at the moment though with this virus knocking about.

Crocked · 29-03-2020 10:49pm

Daroxtar wrote: »

If you were in the same group as me I think we're outside the points tbh
There's a bit of uncertainty about the need to join CIZL, I think it's mainly to make it easier to filter the results but at the end of the day C.I. have the list of names so they'll be cross checking the full results to get their own list

I hoped they'd run the points right down the field, seeing as it'd be easy to do, so that those of us not at the pointy end would have targets to chase/beat throughout the series.

To be honest I didn't pay much attention to how it all worked as won't be near the front. It's more the bit of novelty having some club mates etc in the race rather than the usual mess that is Zwift racing.

Daroxtar · 29-03-2020 11:10pm

Crocked wrote: »

I hoped they'd run the points right down the field, seeing as it'd be easy to do, so that those of us not at the pointy end would have targets to chase/beat throughout the series.

To be honest I didn't pay much attention to how it all worked as won't be near the front. It's more the bit of novelty having some club mates etc in the race rather than the usual mess that is Zwift racing.

Ya, definitely. My clubmate was in the same group as us all the way, plenty of banter on the WhatsApp beforehand. He jumped at the end and beat me by 2 seconds. The gauntlet is well and truly thrown down for next week!!

Whatwicklow · 30-03-2020 12:07pm

Did the C race and enjoyed it, looks like lots of lads and lassies will be bumped to B for their efforts

daragh_ · 30-03-2020 12:34pm

Did my first Zwift Race yesterday and got a proper kicking.

I was warned about the pace at the start but that was insane! Got there early and ended up leading it out which was a terrible idea. Lads putting out some serious power for a C Race. Got dropped by 3 groups within 5k - just couldn't get in a draft. After that it was just me and small group for the rest of the race.

Good fun and a great workout. Once I'm recovered I'll try again.

Bambaata · 30-03-2020 1:33pm

I find you need to be at about 5.5-7w/kg to hang in at the start. I see plenty of guys going full sprint >9w/kg) but they don't seem to get away from me keeping it somewhat under control. Also worth getting a slight jump on guys over short climbs, I generally start my effort just before the climb so you get a slight head start before people go crazy! I think the key is to go hard but only just hard enough to keep you in there. Plenty go too hard too often and cant last the distance

niallo32 · 30-03-2020 2:58pm

Same as that, had first race last week.

Generally how long does the madness last at the start before it settles down?

Will try again this week

lennymc · 30-03-2020 3:01pm

It typically settles down after the race finishes...

Whatwicklow · 30-03-2020 4:44pm

niallo32 wrote: »

Same as that, had first race last week.

Generally how long does the madness last at the start before it settles down?

Will try again this week

For C
4.5w/kg for the first minute,
then 4 for minute 2 to 3,
then 3.5 between minute 3 and 5
You will be in the first group then just hold on!

I normally get spat out around 10mins in and grab the next group coming.

niallo32 · 30-03-2020 7:44pm

Whatwicklow wrote: »

For C
4.5w/kg for the first minute,
then 4 for minute 2 to 3,
then 3.5 between minute 3 and 5
You will be in the first group then just hold on!

I normally get spat out around 10mins in and grab the next group coming.

Cheers, good to have a ball park anyway!

Weepsie · 31-03-2020 6:18pm

I had a false start with road grand tours the other day, but got it going today, did Ventoux(while half way) and down.

Worked well, would be better if I had a bigger screen.

Also did a bit of the Amstel Gold course on Big Ring VR. One moment when a fly landed on th camera and a truck cane close that actually made me do a double take.

irishrover99 · 01-04-2020 8:31am

Finished 5th in a crit race last night. Was in the hunt until my trainer came off the protective floor mats and I had to stop for 20 seconds.

Obviously the power is not probably accurate but is the speed?
It was the hardest indoor training I’d ever done and it was going like the clappers from the start so the effort was very very real.

https://strava.app.link/me3Uogvak5

I am using an unsupported turbo with cadence and speed sensor.

daragh_ · 01-04-2020 9:10am

irishrover99 wrote: »

Finished 5th in a crit race last night. Was in the hunt until my trainer came off the protective floor mats and I had to stop for 20 seconds.

Obviously the power is not probably accurate but is the speed?
It was the hardest indoor training I’d ever done and it was going like the clappers from the start so the effort was very very real.

https://strava.app.link/me3Uogvak5

I am using an unsupported turbo with cadence and speed sensor.

Sigh of relief on behalf of all the people who told you that you should be racing

iwillhtfu · 01-04-2020 9:17am

irishrover99 wrote: »

Finished 5th in a crit race last night. Was in the hunt until my trainer came off the protective floor mats and I had to stop for 20 seconds.

Obviously the power is not probably accurate but is the speed?
It was the hardest indoor training I’d ever done and it was going like the clappers from the start so the effort was very very real.

https://strava.app.link/me3Uogvak5

I am using an unsupported turbo with cadence and speed sensor.

It's hard to be accurate at all without some for of power meter, even the smart trainers have been known to be off when compared to actual power meters. When you see these guys whizzing along like they're on motorbikes they're usually using a similar set up. Stopping for 20s in a crit would normally be game over I'd assume.

CramCycle · 01-04-2020 9:20am

My limted experience has been that is is a sufferfest, the power seems to be what I expected for the pain I was in but the speeds Zwift were calculating were far faster than what I would have experienced on Irish Roads. The only time I had similar was over in France on good roads, maybe thats the issue, maybe alot of Irish Amateurs are Pro Conti level but our s1tty roads make us think we are slow

J Madone · 01-04-2020 9:35am

irishrover99 wrote: »

Finished 5th in a crit race last night. Was in the hunt until my trainer came off the protective floor mats and I had to stop for 20 seconds.

Obviously the power is not probably accurate but is the speed?
It was the hardest indoor training I’d ever done and it was going like the clappers from the start so the effort was very very real.

https://strava.app.link/me3Uogvak5

I am using an unsupported turbo with cadence and speed sensor.

What weight are you?

fat bloke · 01-04-2020 9:40am

What's the story with using a semi smart turbo on zwift? I have an elite muin ii. I haven't really been ar$ed about Zwift at all, but I am slightly curious. But, as far as I understand it, on the likes of my turbo I can transmit power data via the turbo or preferably through my garmin pedals, but the turbo can't take any cues from the zwift software in terms of changing resistance based on terrain elevation or drafting etc. I also can't transmit any speed data cos there is no spinning rear wheel to put the speed sensor on and the front wheel is stationary.

So - how does that actually translate then for me compared to everyone else? Does it just flatten the course for me and negate any downhill /uphill advantage?

Would I be better off on a set of rollers where I could be transmitting both Garmin speed and power?

irishrover99 · 01-04-2020 10:51am

daragh_ wrote: »

Sigh of relief on behalf of all the people who told you that you should be racing

I am now Daragh. Just in a safer environment ðŸ˜€

irishrover99 · 01-04-2020 10:57am

iwillhtfu wrote: »

It's hard to be accurate at all without some for of power meter, even the smart trainers have been known to be off when compared to actual power meters. When you see these guys whizzing along like they're on motorbikes they're usually using a similar set up. Stopping for 20s in a crit would normally be game over I'd assume.

Yeah it was game over and I ended up being behind the winner by more than that so I’d like to know what set up they had. The effort was definitely real. I mean flat out for nearly 40 minutes.

irishrover99 · 01-04-2020 10:58am

J Madone wrote: »

What weight are you?

About 73 kg

lennymc · 01-04-2020 1:02pm

fat bloke wrote: »

What's the story with using a semi smart turbo on zwift? I have an elite muin ii. I haven't really been ar$ed about Zwift at all, but I am slightly curious. But, as far as I understand it, on the likes of my turbo I can transmit power data via the turbo or preferably through my garmin pedals, but the turbo can't take any cues from the zwift software in terms of changing resistance based on terrain elevation or drafting etc. I also can't transmit any speed data cos there is no spinning rear wheel to put the speed sensor on and the front wheel is stationary.

So - how does that actually translate then for me compared to everyone else? Does it just flatten the course for me and negate any downhill /uphill advantage?

Would I be better off on a set of rollers where I could be transmitting both Garmin speed and power?

As long as your bike is clean it doesnt matter...

Anyway, if your turbo transmits via ant+ or bluetooth to zwift, zwift will make the calculation as to how fast you would be going based on the power number it is receiving. So, if you were putting out 200 watts on a flat, and came toa hill, you would slow down unless you manually increased your resistance to get the increased power.

I used my power pedals to transmit to zwift, and the trainer adjusts resistance as neccesary depending on what zwift tells it, so you could use your garmin pedals as the power source, and either rollers or trainer for sessions. I did a roller session yesterday, and was able to hold 300+ watts on the roller, but would struggle to get much more than than due to lack of resistance. For just spinning around, or doing sessions in particular zones, you should be fine on either.

fat bloke · 01-04-2020 1:10pm

Cheers Lenny. Might give it a go for the laugh. Though I barely have legs for light training these days, let alone racing.

lennymc · 01-04-2020 1:21pm

fat bloke wrote: »

Cheers Lenny. Might give it a go for the laugh. Though I barely have legs for light training these days, let alone racing.

you will be fine. At least if you get dropped, it's a short walk back from the pain cave....

Daroxtar · 01-04-2020 1:40pm

This is what you're now up against!!

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/de-gendt-pulled-from-zwift-race-for-going-too-fast/#disqus_thread

CramCycle · 01-04-2020 7:00pm

Doing Deeside at 20:25 if anyone is bored, short enough at 24km

Crocked · 02-04-2020 11:09am

fat bloke wrote: »

What's the story with using a semi smart turbo on zwift? I have an elite muin ii. I haven't really been ar$ed about Zwift at all, but I am slightly curious. But, as far as I understand it, on the likes of my turbo I can transmit power data via the turbo or preferably through my garmin pedals, but the turbo can't take any cues from the zwift software in terms of changing resistance based on terrain elevation or drafting etc. I also can't transmit any speed data cos there is no spinning rear wheel to put the speed sensor on and the front wheel is stationary.

So - how does that actually translate then for me compared to everyone else? Does it just flatten the course for me and negate any downhill /uphill advantage?

Would I be better off on a set of rollers where I could be transmitting both Garmin speed and power?

Pretty much as you say, everything will work fine you just wont get any feedback on gradient. I used a basic wheel on trainer at first. You'll still go slower uphills and faster downhills, the system doesn't care what trainer you are on just what power you are putting out.

Only thing you'll have to watch for is when there are hills. Everyone will hit the power but as you won't feel you are on a hill you might not notice until you are dropping out the back on the climb. It shows gradient in the top right and a course profile to just keep an eye on that you can adjust your power when needed. Its good craic just dont take the races seriously as all sorts of messing with people sandbagging or thinking they still weigh the same at at 50 that they did on the first communion!!!

CramCycle · 02-04-2020 11:26am

CramCycle wrote: »

Doing Deeside at 20:25 if anyone is bored, short enough at 24km

Boom, upgrade to 1st after the 1st place person was DQ'd. Also upgraded to B though for future races, so that's my fun for the year over

Crocked wrote: »

Its good craic just dont take the races seriously as all sorts of messing with people sandbagging or thinking they still weigh the same at at 50 that they did on the first communion!!!

Funny the amount of lads who are 30kg lighter than they were mid racing season last year, obviously a good winter regime was stuck too :pac:

Weepsie · 02-04-2020 12:45pm

Signed up to Zwift again, but havnt used it yet. Still going with Road Grand Tours at present. 2.5 laps of Pienza. You sit there, pedal away, take it nice and easy then they say here's a strava segment and trick you into bloody slaughtering yourself up some virtual hill.

woody1 · 02-04-2020 1:01pm

working on a dumb turbo with speed and cadence and ant+ so virtual power

got an idea of how accurate / innacurate it is last night, did a tt with some people that i know and i would know how close or far away i would be , and i was miles off , my ftp is 220w ish obviously i dont have a power meter but its there or thereabouts .. zwift has it at 170 .. ended up over 5 minutes behind someone i know that id be between a minute and 2 minutes behind .. i used to think the likes of this wouldnt bother me, its still a workout, but its hard to let it go..
cant justify the expense of a power meter though .. or a smart turbo

Zwift spins

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