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Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

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  • #102
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Do you know any other people that burn the homes of the deceased? They have customs around mourning and the like.

    So what??

    It’s the custom in my neighbours house to open presents on Christmas Eve but our house does it on Christmas Day - are you trying to see that my neighbour is ethnically different to me because of that??


  • #103
    DChancer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭DChancer


    fin12 wrote: »
    end of the road wrote: »
    it's quite obvious what she was talking about.



    we very much have the balls to deport them. once the full procedures are exausted. direct provision may have it's faults but people going through the process need to be accommodated somewhere while they go through the process, somewhere the authorities can insure their whereabouts. + the majority of asylum seekers aren't fraudsters, they haven't been charged with, and in a court of law, found guilty of fraud.



    or perhapse she is busy, out somewhere, asleep, whichever?



    i'd say there is no chance. he couldn't even get elected to the presidentsy. i have a feeling this chap if he does go for politics, will be the irish version of flipflop farage. running for election but keeps being rejected.

    I say there will be every chance he will be voted in especially in the counties he topped the presidential vote in. He has done very well so far.
    He didn't top the poll in a single county
    He did diddly squat so far


  • #104
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Omackeral wrote: »
    They were speaking about the homeless crisis. The hot topic at that time was the Travellers refusal to take the state of the art homes offered to them in Tipp. It was national news and therefore relevant. It was a natural progression from the topic which was offered by the hosts.

    You were wrong O, just correct the record. He introduced travellers to the debate himself. He was NOT asked specifically about them.


  • #105
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    Do you know any other people that burn the homes of the deceased? They have customs around mourning and the like.

    Its easy enough to burn homes of the deceased when the taxpayer is providing these homes.
    The council built lovely bungalows in Nutgrove for travellers and one by one these houses were boarded up. I wonder were some set on fire.

    Is one module of the proposed traveller culture taught in school to be in relation to deliberate arson.


  • #106
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    fin12 wrote: »
    No he didn’t, he topped the polls in Rathkeale, Askeaton, and a few others, what r u talking about???

    Not the point. On a constituency by constituency basis Michael D topped the poll in every single case. Casey did do well in certain local areas where there may be particular issues with travellers but overall he lagged far behind Michael D.


  • #107
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Do you know what the definition of a Traveller is? :rolleyes:

    Yes. I would think it would be a pre-requisite of being involved in a debate about it. Don't you?


  • #108
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You were wrong O, just correct the record. He introduced travellers to the debate himself. He was NOT asked specifically about them.

    Fair enough, I'll hold my hands up. I listened back and I was wrong. He introduced the topic. I feel it was a natural progression to the discussion though given the current affairs at the time.


  • #109
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yes. I would think it would be a pre-requisite of being involved in a debate about it. Don't you?

    Can you please share it? I can't honestly find it online. I see references to itinerant and nomadic but surely that doesn't apply to people in the likes of Labre Park? That would include any transient people, drifters, homeless, rough sleepers more so would it not?


  • #110
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Fair enough, I'll hold my hands up. I listened back and I was wrong. He introduced the topic. I feel it was a natural progression to the discussion though given the current affairs at the time.

    He used the example of the Thurles travellers not taking up the free houses (1.7m cost to taxpayer) and said it was pure madness - and he is 100% correct on this


  • #111
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    DChancer wrote: »
    He didn't top the poll in a single county
    He did diddly squat so far

    He topped the polls in certain areas in County limerick. He was second in nearly every constituency, I wouldn’t call that diddly squat.


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  • #112
    Wheres Me Jumper?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Wheres Me Jumper?


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You were wrong O, just correct the record. He introduced travellers to the debate himself. He was NOT asked specifically about them.

    Jasus give it a frickin rest will ye.
    This thread is dead.


  • #113
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Omackeral wrote: »
    That would make Gaeilgeoirhi their own ethnic group surely?


    No. Irish is the official language of the state. Speaking it doesn't make you unique.

    Panch18 wrote: »
    They are catholic’s - the same as 80 or 90% of the population of this country

    As for separate language it’s a blend of Irish and English - a mashup


    They are Catholic but they have their own customs unique to that.


    And shelta may be a mix up of languages but it's still unique.


    Panch18 wrote: »
    So what??

    It’s the custom in my neighbours house to open presents on Christmas Eve but our house does it on Christmas Day - are you trying to see that my neighbour is ethnically different to me because of that??


    No

    tretorn wrote: »
    Its easy enough to burn homes of the deceased when the taxpayer is providing these homes.
    The council built lovely bungalows in Nutgrove for travellers and one by one these houses were boarded up. I wonder were some set on fire.

    Is one module of the proposed traveller culture taught in school to be in relation to deliberate arson.


    Just answering the question. Not defending anything.


  • #114
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Not the point. On a constituency by constituency basis Michael D topped the poll in every single case. Casey did do well in certain local areas where there may be particular issues with travellers but overall he lagged far behind Michael D.

    And Casey was far ahead in front of all the other candidates.


  • #115
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Omackeral wrote: »
    They were speaking about the homeless crisis. The hot topic at that time was the Travellers refusal to take the state of the art homes offered to them in Tipp. It was national news and therefore relevant. It was a natural progression from the topic which was offered by the hosts.

    To be honest I can't take you too seriously because an hour ago you said 'he was asked a question about the community in question'.
    He wasn't. That was a blatant untruth.

    And it's not like it was just a natural progression. He went on to talk about travellers ethnic status and travellers not paying taxes etc
    It's clear to me that Casey wanted to introduce the topic of travellers into the presidential debate and he found a way of doing that.
    Don't get me wrong - it's a legitimate topic, but let's not pretend that he was just answering a question.


  • #116
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    tretorn wrote: »
    Its easy enough to burn homes of the deceased when the taxpayer is providing these homes.
    The council built lovely bungalows in Nutgrove for travellers and one by one these houses were boarded up. I wonder were some set on fire.

    Is one module of the proposed traveller culture taught in school to be in relation to deliberate arson.

    In cork on the north side of the city, they were given brand new homes, absolutely thrashed them, ripped the solar panels off the roofs.


  • #117
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It may or may not be legitimate. The poster said he 'was asked' specifically about the Tipp situation and SEMS. He wasn't, he introduced those subjects himself.

    He didnt target travellers in some premediated bigoted racist rant.

    He was discussing homelessness and people repeatedly refusing housing for ridiculous reasons, and used the Tipp Travellers as a very topical example


  • #118
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    They are Catholic but they have their own customs unique to that.

    I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. Can I claim ethnicity based on that? I had shared religious customs with others that are unique to the wider community. It's just the definition is a bit wishy washy is all. Not having a go at you btw, you're providing answers.


  • #119
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    No. Irish is the official language of the state. Speaking it doesn't make you unique.





    They are Catholic but they have their own customs unique to that.


    And shelta may be a mix up of languages but it's still unique.






    No





    Just answering the question. Not defending anything.

    So catholic’s with a bit of “cant” are now a different ethnicity in Ireland??

    Wtf is the world coming to


  • #120
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    He didnt target travellers in some premediated bigoted racist rant.

    He was discussing homelessness and people repeatedly refusing housing for ridiculous reasons, and used the Tipp Travellers as a very topical example

    And then went onto attack SEMS.

    You are entitled to your opinion on what he did, as am I.


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  • #121
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Phoebas wrote: »
    To be honest I can't take you too seriously because an hour ago you said 'he was asked a question about the community in question'.
    He wasn't. That was a blatant untruth.

    I know what I said. I also said a page ago that I was misinformed and outright admitted I was wrong. It happens. I didn't fully inform myself on the interview and took the information second hand. Fancy that, someone admitting they got it wrong online. The vast majority of my posts have validity. I won't lose sleep if you won't take me seriously.


  • #122
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,392 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    No. Irish is the official language of the state. Speaking it doesn't make you unique.





    They are Catholic but they have their own customs unique to that.


    And shelta may be a mix up of languages but it's still unique.






    No





    Just answering the question. Not defending anything.

    What customs exactly ?

    I'd be curious to know


  • #123
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,104 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    tretorn wrote: »
    Isnt the bit bolded in your post the whole point of the thread, everyone except the travellers are just living their lives beside their neighbours and getting on with it. They arent moaning about discrimination and looking for ethnic status, they are too busy working and paying bills and doing their best to get their children educated, they havent the time to be navel gazing about their ethnicity and nor do they have paid organisations like Pavee Point to indulge their whining.

    No not really.

    It's the point of the thread that angry people picking a single group of individuals as the core basis for all the countries problems are in the minority and no shouldn't be acknowledged as speaking for us all.

    The shouty loudest bunch are always the ones shouty and loud. Hence the stuff on tubs twitter.

    No different to shouty loud ignorant people giving it socks at a customer service desk in the shopping centre abusing the staff member while the majority of other shoppers look on in shock


    The vote tally of the election demonstrated that shouty loud people are in the minority.

    Shouty loud angry usually single minded .

    Everyone else..... Exhausted listening to them


  • #124
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    What customs exactly ?

    I'd be curious to know

    The big huge dresses:rolleyes:


  • #125
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And then went onto attack SEMS.

    You are entitled to your opinion on what he did, as am I.

    Can you tell us how he attacked anybody in that interview??

    You are making a very serious accusation that you need to support with actual parts of the interview that support your accusation


  • #126
    demanufactured
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Yes, a peaceful group.



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  • #127
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Can you tell us how he attacked anybody in that interview??

    You are making a very serious accusation that you need to support with actual parts of the interview that support your accusation

    You ain't going to get an answer other than its his opinion that Casey made an attack. Best to ignore him.


  • #128
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    listermint wrote: »
    Bile, negativity , unbridled anger , hatred.
    listermint wrote: »
    Are you ?

    Why do you hang around the internet being angry all the time
    listermint wrote: »
    And yes you come across as a very angry person
    listermint wrote: »
    If one person stops and says actually yeah he might have a point there's no need for this unadulterated anger at everything. Then I've at least impacted someone for a minute.
    listermint wrote: »
    Obviously I don't because I don't have anger.

    I think your might confuse perplexing with anger.
    listermint wrote: »
    People need alot more clarity on their thoughts they come across as a machine gun of anger at everything and everyone.
    listermint wrote: »
    Any equally to target them for special treatment of Ire , anger and vilification comes under the same umbrella
    listermint wrote: »
    If it's not obvious to you that its usually angry people angry about something that are the loudest then I suggest getting a job in a customer service department for a week.

    Everyone else is just out there living their lives beside their neighbours just getting on with it. Not being angry all the time.

    Seriously, change the record or invest in a thesaurus. That's over the last 24 hours. Not everyone who disagrees with you is furious/cross/upset..... angry


  • #129
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Can you tell us how he attacked anybody in that interview??

    You are making a very serious accusation that you need to support with actual parts of the interview that support your accusation

    Seems there are a lot of people making that 'accusation' about Peter.

    https://www.google.ie/search?q=%27peter+casey+attacks%27&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilw6K93LreAhXqIMAKHWuDCFsQ_AUIDygC&biw=1280&bih=833

    Maybe he has a big payday coming when he sues us all?


  • #130
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    listermint wrote: »
    No not really.

    It's the point of the thread that angry people picking a single group of individuals as the core basis for all the countries problems are in the minority and no shouldn't be acknowledged as speaking for us all.

    The shouty loudest bunch are always the ones shouty and loud. Hence the stuff on tubs twitter.

    The vote tally of the election demonstrated that shouty loud people are in the minority.

    Shouty loud angry usually single minded .

    Everyone else..... Exhausted listening to them

    Ah heor, hyperbole much?
    I cant recall anyone saying they're the core basis of our society's ills or problems.

    Rural crime is a problem
    Criminality is a problem
    Homelessness is a problem
    Social welfare is a problem
    Waste disposal is a problem
    Insurance fraud is a problem
    Domestic violence is a problem
    Disability rates are a problem
    Recidivism is a problem
    Fraud is a problem

    Travellers feature in a lot of specific examples of all of the aboce. Disproportinatey it seems. Travellers and non travellers alike, but to dicuss such prevalence isnt racist or bigoted.
    Its factual.
    Not angry.
    Rational.


  • #131
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    listermint wrote: »
    Then act like that quote. Please. Act like it.

    Demonisation and vilification is what this thread has been.

    Nothing more. That line does not describe this thread.

    My post above is exactly what this thread is about. Everyone should watch it.


    Everyone
    What an absolutely deluded post, honestly. You made a few out there comments, but that takes the biscuit.


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  • #132
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. Can I claim ethnicity based on that? I had shared religious customs with others that are unique to the wider community. It's just the definition is a bit wishy washy is all. Not having a go at you btw, you're providing answers.


    You can certainly try.

    Panch18 wrote: »
    So catholic’s with a bit of “cant” are now a different ethnicity in Ireland??


    Sure


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    What customs exactly ?

    I'd be curious to know


    Why don't you head on down to a halting site the next time one of them passes and you can find out.


  • #133
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Seems there are a lot of people making that 'accusation' about Peter.

    https://www.google.ie/search?q=%27peter+casey+attacks%27&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilw6K93LreAhXqIMAKHWuDCFsQ_AUIDygC&biw=1280&bih=833

    Maybe he has a big payday coming when he sues us all?

    So yet again you fail to answer the question


  • #134
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    end of the road wrote: »
    huh?


    So and huh ? your as elequent as francie eotr . isnt shift work tough for you guys


    in this thread as in many others you have been exposed you and your comrades:D:D:D:D


  • #135
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    Captain Obvious wrote: »
    You can certainly try.





    Sure






    Why don't you head on down to a halting site the next time one of them passes and you can find out.

    Ok so basically you’ve got nothing either


  • #136
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Panch18 wrote: »
    So yet again you fail to answer the question

    Yep, I guess so. :rolleyes:


  • #137
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Can anyone provide a definition for what a Traveller is and what it is specifically that makes them distinct from everyone else?


  • #138
    erica74
    Registered Users Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭erica74


    Phoebas wrote: »
    To be honest I can't take you too seriously because an hour ago you said 'he was asked a question about the community in question'.
    He wasn't. That was a blatant untruth.

    It says a lot about you that you can't accept when someone admits to making a mistake.


  • #139
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,571 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Can anyone provide a definition for what a Traveller is and what it is specifically that makes them distinct from everyone else?

    https://www.paveepoint.ie/irish-travellers-and-roma/


  • #140
    erica74
    Registered Users Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭erica74


    Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »
    Takes kids out of school before age 15? Check.

    Marries kids off to cousins or second cousins while still in their teens? Check

    High probability of having a criminal record or having spent time in prison? Check

    High probability of having perpetrated or experienced domestic abuse? Check

    High probability of having no job and claiming social welfare, yet having unexplained sources of wealth when it comes to new vehicles, lavish wedding and First Communion celebrations, etc? Check

    History of violence / feuding / bare-knuckle fights with other Traveller families? Check

    Noted disregard for property, the environment, and animal welfare? Check

    Like it or not, the above are what make Travellers into Travellers in the eyes of the public. It has little or nothing to do with their ethnicity.

    This is the diversity that the rest of the country see in the traveller community. Wow, this sure needs to be protected and cherished:rolleyes:

    I was going to add something else to my post about 2 traveller girls I saw in Mothercare yesterday but I won't bother because I'll just be told that "anecdotal evidence" means nothing


  • #141
    erica74
    Registered Users Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭erica74


    elperello wrote: »
    https://www.paveepoint.ie/irish-travellers-and-roma/
    Irish Travellers have been documented as being part of Irish society for centuries. Travellers have a long shared history, traditions, language, culture and customs.
    The distinctive Traveller identity and culture, based on a nomadic tradition, sets Travellers apart from the sedentary population or ‘settled people’.
    Accepting, resourcing and celebrating Traveller identity, culture and heritage is a central element in any strategy to counter discrimination and the exclusion and marginalisation of Travellers.

    That still doesn't explain them.


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  • #142
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    erica74 wrote: »
    This is the diversity that the rest of the country see in the traveller community. Wow, this sure needs to be protected and cherished:rolleyes:

    I was going to add something else to my post about 2 traveller girls I saw in Mothercare yesterday but I won't bother because I'll just be told that "anecdotal evidence" means nothing

    You can look at any community through 'prejudiced' glasses.

    The British, for instance could have created a similar list (many still would) about settled Irish people at one time.

    I think some of you people may want to stand back and maybe you will see what you are doing.

    Casey knew IMO that many wouldn't stand back and would jump to their keyboards and to his name on the ballot paper.


  • #143
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    If i put a certain poster on ignore I wonder will the number of visible posts on this thread half ?


  • #144
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You can look at any community through 'prejudiced' glasses.

    The British, for instance could have created a similar list (many still would) about settled Irish people at one time.

    .

    lol you do realise that that old british attitude towards irish people is biased on the actions of Irish travellers living and thieving in the uk and not "settled" Irish people , the brits just didnt draw a distinction


    your party propaganda has misinformed you again :)

    good to see you back francie eotr was crap at this :)


  • #145
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Ok so basically you’ve got nothing either


    Nothing on what?


  • #146
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    lol you do realise that that old british attitude towards irish people is biased on the actions of Irish travellers living and thieving in the uk and not "settled" Irish people , the brits just didnt draw a distinction

    Flabbergasted at the grasp of actual history in this post.


  • #147
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Flabbergasted at the grasp of actual history in this post.


    yeap its hard to believe facts when your used to twisting and manipulating history to suit your own party policy's isnt it ??


  • #148
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    yeap its hard to believe facts when your used to twisting and manipulating history to suit your own party policy's isnt it ??

    Just let me get this straight:

    The historical British prejudice against the Irish is based on their inability to separate the Irish traveller from the settled Irish.

    Is that what you are saying here?

    I don't have or belong to a party btw.


  • #149
    mynamejeff
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭mynamejeff


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Just let me get this straight:

    The historical British prejudice against the Irish is based on their inability to separate the Irish traveller from the settled Irish.

    Is that what you are saying here?

    I don't have or belong to a party btw.

    Flabbergasted at the grasp of actual understanding in this post. :D:D

    every other post you make in every other thread champions one specific party and ideology along with a few of your fellow bots , every one here knows it and like i told your comrade your fooling no one :pac::pac:

    i see the boys are deployed in another tread this morning towing the party line


  • #150
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,926 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    mynamejeff wrote: »
    Flabbergasted at the grasp of actual understanding in this post. :D:D

    every other post you make in every other thread champions one specific party and ideology along with a few of your fellow bots , every one here knows it and like i told your comrade your fooling no one :pac::pac:

    i see the boys are deployed in another tread this morning towing the party line

    Water off a ducks back on the SF bot point. Believe what you wish on that.

    Can you tell me now, is this what you are claiming?

    The historical British prejudice against the Irish is based on their inability to separate the Irish traveller from the settled Irish?


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  • #151
    bilbot79
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    Was on the train this weekend and a Traveller family were freeloading. Where the inspector told them they'd have to buy a ticket or get off at the next stop, the guy started hurling abuse and smacking the walls until the inspector said he could go to the stop after that.

    Folks on the train were like 'Peter Casey all the way'


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