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spurious · 06-06-2017 10:59pm

VirginiaB wrote: »

If you zoom, it helps but I'd appreciate any help from other eyes.

I wonder is it just a signature of whoever recorded it followed by the date?

VirginiaB · 06-06-2017 11:14pm

I can't tell unless the words can be read.

Hermy · 06-06-2017 11:40pm

@VirginiaB
What's the source for the record? Is it Ancestry?

VirginiaB · 06-06-2017 11:52pm

Yes, it is Ancestry. A helpful person found it for me--I am completely unfamiliar with English records tho I have a world membership. They are in the "London, England, Poor Law and Board of Guardian Records, 1430-1930".

Hermy · 06-06-2017 11:55pm

spurious wrote: »

I wonder is it just a signature of whoever recorded it followed by the date?

The other entries seems to have something similar written under them beginning 'mo' which I'd agree looks like a signature and date.

P. Breathnach · 06-06-2017 11:56pm

"One Birth in Half year ending Lady Day 1861" followed by indecipherable signature with underscript date "Oct 13 anno(?) 1861"

VirginiaB · 06-06-2017 11:56pm

I have wondered if mo means mother.

Hermy · 06-06-2017 11:59pm

Can you post a link?
It's not coming up in a search.

VirginiaB · 07-06-2017 12:14am

Here is what the person on Ancestry posted and how I then found it--

"The records [the poster] posted are on ancestry, in the unindexed London poor law records
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1557

via the small boxes on the right hand side, under "Browse this collection"
Borough - Camden
Parish or Poor Law Union - Hampstead
Record Type - Register of Children"

Back to me, VirginiaB. Then I clicked on 'Register of Births for the Workhouse, 1850-1886'. I looked at each image til I found my family. It is image #10.

Also, these London poor law records are under 'Wills, probates, land, tax and criminal'. A lot of info buried out there.

Hermy · 07-06-2017 12:19am

Thanks - I missed the small boxes on the right first time.

Alas, the record is no clearer on their site.

Might it be 'mother took ill' and the date 'Oct 13 approx 1861'?

VirginiaB · 08-06-2017 3:26am

Very sorry for the delay in replying. That's a good guess--thank you. I'm going to check all of these images to see if I can be sure on this.

Hermy · 08-06-2017 8:54am

DunnoKidz wrote:

VirginiaB, perhaps if you could access the before and after pages of this record, the markings may prove more distinguishable, by comparison.

Why didn't I think of that?

Two pages back it becomes quite clear that the format appears to be number of births, quarter ending, quarter day & year, and a signature which might be something Ratcliffe.

VirginiaB · 08-06-2017 1:59pm

Thank you--I had the same thought and the same interpretation. Thank you all for the help, mystery solved.

And thanks to DunnoKidz. I got an email from you but don't see your post here.

DunnoKidz · 09-06-2017 6:17am

Hermy wrote: »

Two pages back it becomes quite clear that the format appears to be number of births, quarter ending, quarter day & year, and a signature which might be something Ratcliffe.

Well done Hermy!

VirginiaB wrote: »

Thank you--I had the same thought and the same interpretation. Thank you all for the help, mystery solved.

And thanks to DunnoKidz. I got an email from you but don't see your post here.

Sorry about that

I erased the post - P. Breathnach, spurious and Hermy summed it up much better and more succinctly than I was able to.

pinkypinky · 15-06-2017 4:21pm

Any thoughts on the note in the final column on this baptism?
It's not imaged on irishgenealogy but hopefully there's enough of handwriting to have a decent guess.

srmf5 · 15-06-2017 4:48pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Any thoughts on the note in the final column on this baptism?
It's not imaged on irishgenealogy but hopefully there's enough of handwriting to have a decent guess.

I can't make it out but if you don't have a subscription to IFHF, I could look it up for you. They might have something written in the notes. I know I've come across baptisms with sub-condition written in the notes. I was actually getting a bit excited for a moment because my ancestors are John Conneally and Margaret McDermott but then I saw her surname was just recorded as Conneally.

pedroeibar1 · 15-06-2017 5:33pm

Going out on a limb here …… Very hard to make it out – but some of the words look like ...Privatum baptisabat et certiorare publicam sub conditione et .... As a result I’d guess it was an adult baptism in private possibly following a conversion and it's a baptism of the ‘conditional’ variety (i.e. where there is doubt that the person had already been baptised.) Does that make sense to the life details of your man?
Edit
From a bit of Googling The two most frequent situations where you’ll encounter a conditional baptism are: 1. the case of an infant who had been baptized at home by a (Catholic) family member as an emergency measure (because the infant was gravely ill, and at risk of dying, and there was no priest around to perform the baptism); and 2. the case of an adult convert to Roman Catholicism who had previously been baptized by a Protestant clergyman.

pinkypinky · 15-06-2017 10:20pm

Thanks all: it's a Dublin city baptism SRMF5 so it won't be on rootsireland.

I expect it to be a child and so the second option Pedro suggests is most likely. That's what I had in mind myself.

VirginiaB · 15-06-2017 11:17pm

Not what you asked but the surname of John and Margaret looks like Cummiskey to me when I zoomed in.

pinkypinky · 16-06-2017 9:23am

It is Cummiskey.

my_ancestors · 21-06-2017 4:47pm

Hi,

Any chance somebody could tell me what is written in the 4th column of this marriage cert for a John Dunphy (6th name down looks like dunfy), possibly great grandfather. We think his wife Margaret was protestant and wondering if it's a note to this fact, which might firm up identity.

registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634137#page/136/mode/1up

Can't seem to paste image.

Thanks

pinkypinky · 21-06-2017 5:28pm

Something militia.

JDERIC2017 · 21-06-2017 7:34pm

Definition of militia. 1a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency The militia was called to quell the riot. b : a body of citizens organized for military service. 2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service.

Jellybaby1 · 21-06-2017 8:05pm

my_ancestors wrote: »

Hi,

Any chance somebody could tell me what is written in the 4th column of this marriage cert for a John Dunphy (6th name down looks like dunfy), possibly great grandfather. We think his wife Margaret was protestant and wondering if it's a note to this fact, which might firm up identity.

registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634137#page/136/mode/1up

Can't seem to paste image.

Thanks

I'm chancing that it might be 'Pte' for Private being his rank, but not really sure about it.

KildareFan · 22-06-2017 12:07am

I can't see a John Dunphy on this page.... there is a note about Wexford Militia in the entry for what looks like Bartholomew Swift

Hermy · 22-06-2017 12:12am

LINK

John Dunphy [Dunfy] is the second last entry on the left.

Bartholomew Swift is on the previous page.

my_ancestors · 22-06-2017 10:43am

Folks thanks for that, had hoped might be reference to catholic/protestant marriage, didn't expect militia.

fflynn · 26-06-2017 1:11am

any idea what this is?

"not having his __"

(from findmypast petty sessions)

Hermy · 26-06-2017 8:48am

Do you have a link to that?
It would help to see the rest of the image.

KildareFan · 26-06-2017 9:45am

fflynn wrote: »

any idea what this is?

"not having his __"

(from findmypast petty sessions)

not having his car....

need to see the rest of the page

Jellybaby1 · 26-06-2017 10:01am

fflynn wrote: »

any idea what this is?

"not having his __"

(from findmypast petty sessions)

Possibly "Not having his car Labelled" ??

fflynn · 26-06-2017 3:10pm

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

Possibly "Not having his car Labelled" ??

thanks! his job at this time was 'Coachman' so this would match with that

tabbey · 26-06-2017 9:27pm

KildareFan wrote: »

not having his car....

Horse drawn cars and vans were required to carry the name and address of the owner. This was necessary, in the absence of registration numbers, to show who was liable in the event of misconduct, such as leaving the cart unattended.

Jellybaby1 · 27-06-2017 12:27am

tabbey wrote: »

Horse drawn cars and vans were required to carry the name and address of the owner. This was necessary, in the absence of registration numbers, to show who was liable in the event of misconduct, such as leaving the cart unattended.

How 'bout that, and I didn't even know it. My eyesight must be getting better.

BigCon · 27-06-2017 4:02pm

Anyone able to decipher the witnesses to this marriage?

William Shehan and Farrell Horan?

Hermy · 27-06-2017 5:49pm

It looks like the second witnesses forename has been omitted.

"...William Skehan & _____ Farrell, P. Horan..."

Hermy · 27-06-2017 5:55pm

Sometimes it's just down to the penmanship of the priest in question.

Hermy · 27-06-2017 6:17pm

I'm not certain of all the names - as you've rightly pointed out there are inconsistencies in the handwriting.

My comment was more about the possible absence of the forename of the second witness.

DunnoKidz · 27-06-2017 6:21pm

I wasn't disagreeing with you Hermy

sorry if it sounded like I was. I just like stuff like looking at stuff like this is all.

Well done, spotting that name absence!

Hermy · 27-06-2017 6:36pm

And I'm not disagreeing with you either DunnoKidz.:)

I'm just posting what I think I can see.

Sometimes it's impossible to be sure what is written down on these old registers but if enough people throw in their two cents - be they right, wrong or indifferent - I think it all helps towards figuring out the scribbles.

JDERIC2017 · 02-07-2017 4:06pm

Hey, Trying to find more on third entry, Mary Ellen Flynn. Think is says St Vincent's house / home Cabra? But can't find anything on the place. All help appreciated thanks

BowWow · 02-07-2017 5:22pm

JDERIC2017 wrote: »

Hey, Trying to find more on third entry, Mary Ellen Flynn. Think is says St Vincent's house / home Cabra? But can't find anything on the place. All help appreciated thanks

Would this be it ?

http://www.docservice.ie/about-us-history.aspx

Dublin
Central Management
St. Vincent's Centre
Navan Road
Dublin 7

JDERIC2017 · 02-07-2017 5:33pm

Thank you so much, I will contact them and see what info I can get.

Dianey57 · 12-07-2017 8:02pm

Hello! I am looking for where Garnara would have been in 1863. According to a letter, a relative traveled from Corlea, Co. Clare to Garnara to visit a sick relative in the hospital.

Johnboy1951 · 12-07-2017 8:13pm

Dianey57 wrote: »

Hello! I am looking for where Garnara would have been in 1863. According to a letter, a relative traveled from Corlea, Co. Clare to Garnara to visit a sick relative in the hospital.

Maybe Garnarea Piltown/Fiddown area of Kilkenny?

Would be a heck of a distance to travel at that time though

Dianey57 · 12-07-2017 9:10pm

Thank you johnboy1951! I have also found Granard, Co. Longford and Garraun, Co Clare.

spurious · 12-07-2017 9:35pm

Is it a handwritten placename? Any chance it is beginning with C?
Do you have an image of it?

Dianey57 · 12-07-2017 9:56pm

The letter reads, "My father went to Garnara or Garuara on yesterday where Michael is in the hospital."

Dianey57 · 12-07-2017 9:57pm

I will scan image and post when I'm home.

DunnoKidz · 12-07-2017 11:24pm

I posted this earlier, but assumed it might be personal (so I deleted).

Dunno if it helps as an additional point of reference, but this archived letter is on RootsWeb. Listed 1863, visiting Garnara hospital from Co. Clare.

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