Who is everyone going to be voting for in the next general election?

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 11-12-2019 6:23pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Based on record breaking child homelessness, wasteful spending and worsening crises? Japers.

The ship may be sinking and the Captain and crew might not care about your well being, but they've sailed a ship before.

You are vocally anti-FG, which is all very well, but what's your ideal outcome in the next general election? Per the thread title, tell us who you're for, not just who you're against.

Eire Go Brach · 11-12-2019 6:34pm

Strumms wrote: »

:P

You’d have to really be bonkers to touch FG... FF a lot of talent in the party just Martin seems like a savvy politician if you can get past the ‘personality’.... Leo while an outgoing fellow you certainly know that trustworthy and having the public interest as #1 won’t be his motivation for anything.

You must be young. You would have to be bonkers to touch FF. They destroyed our country. The scum that was under Bertie is still there.

I actually start at the bottom when voting. I remember who destroyed my country.
It's very important to use all your votes. Better to vote for someone rather then leave them out. Hence FF at the bottom.

FF last
Labour 2nd last
Greens 3rd last

While I dislike FG. I really think they are wimps and can't make hard decisions.
I will vote for them ahead of FF always

11-12-2019 6:37pm

Pray thee tell, who are these talented folk in FF?

11-12-2019 6:38pm

SF, FF, Ind, FG. I am only voting FF as my local TD is James Lawless and he does a lot of local, national and international work. Plus he consistently communicates with his constituents. I can't say that about any of the other candidates in North Kildare.

McMurphy · 11-12-2019 6:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

SF, FF, Ind, FG. I am only voting FF as my local TD is James Lawless and he does a lot of local, national and international work. Plus he consistently communicates with his constituents. I can't say that about any of the other candidates in North Kildare.

Exactly what I said up thread Derek, he's a good lad James Lawless, hard grafter.

Tacitus Kilgore · 11-12-2019 6:42pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

If someone finds Fine Gael 'too left wing for their liking', I think it's safe to say that they aren't likely to hold too many left or centrist views. It's unlikely that they'll find any party or candidate right-wing enough for their liking.

Fair.

Boiling it down to left vs right just leaves you with a divided bitter country shitshow like the US&A and the UK.

We're better than that,

I hope.

PopePalpatine · 11-12-2019 6:44pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pray thee tell, who are these talented folk in FF?

Their PR team. :pac:

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 6:51pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Maybe the people you know?
Kenny promised to 'end the scandal of hospital trolleys' and he did okay out of it. Are you suggesting people vote for these people despite the claims they'll tackle issues like health, (accepting it's just something you say)?

Why would any politician claim to want to address health if the people didn't want it? Your comment makes no sense.

Ireland is so small that everyone has a close relative who works as a nurse or in the HSE at some level, we might say we want reform but that means taking on the above

As a people, we don't like hard decisions and besides the left wing media would obliterate any politician who rolled up their sleeves and got stuck into sorting out health, education or various other vested interest engulfed sectors

James Brown · 11-12-2019 6:55pm

Davis Teeny Gum wrote: »

You are vocally anti-FG, which is all very well, but what's your ideal outcome in the next general election? Per the thread title, tell us who you're for, not just who you're against.

Doesn't take away from my point does it?

But so you can deflect with whataboutery...

Matt Barrett wrote: »

SD/Indies/SF, but not O'Snodaigh.

James Brown · 11-12-2019 6:58pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Ireland is so small that everyone has a close relative who works as a nurse or in the HSE at some level, we might say we want reform but that means taking on the above

As a people, we don't like hard decisions and besides the left wing media would obliterate any politician who rolled up their sleeves and got stuck into sorting out health, education or various other vested interest engulfed sectors

I don't buy that as an excuse. We know everyone has had a sick relative and most have had a dealing with the health service.

I disagree also it has absolutely no bearing on FF/FG claiming to tackle it and then doing nothing past throwing money and making excuses.

Better Than Christ · 11-12-2019 7:00pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

As a people, we don't like hard decisions and besides the left wing media would obliterate any politician who rolled up their sleeves and got stuck into sorting out health, education or various other vested interest engulfed sectors

When you say 'sorting out' health, what exactly do you mean? And why do you think the vested interests (for example, underpaid staff who work long hours in appalling conditions) might object to your idea of 'sorting the health service out'?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 11-12-2019 7:01pm

I don’t know until I see the candidates but not FF.

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 7:05pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

If someone finds Fine Gael 'too left wing for their liking', I think it's safe to say that they aren't likely to hold too many left or centrist views. It's unlikely that they'll find any party or candidate right-wing enough for their liking.

It's all relative, relative to the political landscape of most countries, FG are centre left, relative to a deeply left wing country like Ireland, FG are on the right.

Better Than Christ · 11-12-2019 7:10pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

It's all relative, relative to the political landscape of most countries, FG are centre left, relative to a deeply left wing country like Ireland, FG are on the right.

Maybe you're viewing them as 'centre left', relative to your own deeply right-wing stance.

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 7:12pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

When you say 'sorting out' health, what exactly do you mean? And why do you think the vested interests (for example, underpaid staff who work long hours in appalling conditions) might object to your idea of 'sorting the health service out'?

The HSE exists primarily to serve those employed by it

Turkeys don't vote for Xmas

I don't believe they are underpaid, you have a different opinion

Better Than Christ · 11-12-2019 7:17pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I don't believe they are underpaid, you have a different opinion

The biggest difference being that I value the work that nurses do. You evidently do not.

rossie1977 · 11-12-2019 7:19pm

If you think FG are too 'left wing' there is a major party on this island that might suit your right wing viewpoint..the DUP

How anyone could think a party that continues the pointless war on drugs when even parts of the US have abandoned it, continually cuts public services, has eroded workers power, oversees the lowest corporate tax rates in the western world, introduced a draconian prostitution law among other things are too 'left wing' is beyond me. The Republican party in the US would be envious

11-12-2019 7:48pm

By any developed world standard, Fine Gael are a right wing party. The only thing up for discussion is how far right they are.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-12-2019 8:06pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Based on record breaking child homelessness, wasteful spending and worsening crises? Japers.

The ship may be sinking and the Captain and crew might not care about your well being, but they've sailed a ship before.

Did you find those figures you said you done up about how many social houses you want and how much it will cost?

Oh and where SF will find the money for such project?

Considering it’s about 1 billion to build approx 5,000 houses that should help you do your maths as you have such a clear vision.

James Brown · 11-12-2019 8:24pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Did you find those figures you said you done up about how many social houses you want and how much it will cost?

Oh and where SF will find the money for such project?

Considering it’s about 1 billion to build approx 5,000 houses that should help you do your maths as you have such a clear vision.

Different thread and yes discussed it at length. You've to show why buying and leasing is cheaper than building and how developers and builders make a living if buying is cheaper

What project? Are you lost?

Yep, you're lost.
If you're going to spout deflective bile for team FG at least get your threads right

James Brown · 11-12-2019 8:26pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

It was actually FF who cane out with the we all partied line.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/brian-lenihan-claim-we-all-partied-717968.html

FG was 'we all went mad'. Completely different

Eric Cartman · 11-12-2019 8:30pm

Just hoping somebody throws their head above the hedges and says theyll cut taxes or opposes funding/allowing in one if the many groups of people I have issues with. Its all a bit plain, no peter casey to vote for this time.

If somebody can conjur up an economically conservative oarty that doesnt care about abortions aslong as theyre done not on my tax take then theres a vote waiting for you right here lads.

Better Than Christ · 11-12-2019 8:31pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Did you find those figures you said you done up about how many social houses you want and how much it will cost?

Oh and where SF will find the money for such project?

Considering it’s about 1 billion to build approx 5,000 houses that should help you do your maths as you have such a clear vision.

Borrow. Build the homes and then rent them to people based on a percentage of their income, with no upper limit. It would make more financial sense than continuing to hand hundreds of millions of the state's money over to private landlords via the HAP scheme.

The Workers' Party has a good housing policy.

KWAG2019 · 11-12-2019 8:32pm

markodaly wrote: »

Passing the buck so.

That’s the basis of parliamentary democracy. Your comment is of the most particularly distasteful self serving party hackery which bedevils this country.

L1011 · 11-12-2019 8:34pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Just hoping somebody throws their head above the hedges and says theyll cut taxes or opposes funding/allowing in one if the many groups of people I have issues with. Its all a bit plain, no peter casey to vote for this time.

If somebody can conjur up an economically conservative oarty that doesnt care about abortions aslong as theyre done not on my tax take then theres a vote waiting for you right here lads.

We had a fiscal conservative social centrist party and they fizzled out cause there just aren't enough voters for them

Any solid or harder right parties are going to be full in Catholic here

The White Wolf · 11-12-2019 8:35pm

Anyone voting FF can **** right off.

LoughNeagh2017 · 11-12-2019 8:36pm

I don't vote in elections. I received advertisements from politicians in post for Northern Ireland election and I threw them in fire. A woman in my parish is standing and her husband was in prison a number of years ago for smuggling. I also got one from the Irish Freedom party or something, all these parties just preach about families, immigration and salaries. There is nothing that men like me could vote for, "neckbeard" men with no family and no job as a nurse or teacher.

Strumms · 11-12-2019 8:39pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Find it hard to vote FF with Micheal at the helm and a few others still in places of influence - lads who there in control when the economy went into a dive.

Find it hard to vote FG as they've been there two terms now and showing all the signs of it.

Find it hard to vote for any of the rest as they'd be incapable of making a decent go of it.

Dislike Independents.

Maybe I won't vote.

Unfortunately again we are at the stage of having to vote for the ‘lesser evil’.

For such a diverse democracy to have so many options whom are all more all less shît ... depressing

padd b1975 · 11-12-2019 8:49pm

FG.

When they came to power in 2011 I was pretty much living off my savings, today I am very comfortable financially.

Galwayguy35 · 11-12-2019 8:53pm

Probably FG, used to vote SF when I was young and foolish and didn't realise they were full of sh1t.

Wouldn't be surprised if FF edged FG out this time though.

various artistes · 11-12-2019 9:02pm

FF all the way. Not out of any love for them but because this version surely can't be quite as bad as FG under Leo, or FF under Cowen.

If FF don't do anything constructive about the insurance crisis, the housing crisis et al I'll simply give up voting until a centre right political party that puts Ireland and its taxpayers first gains any traction (far as I can see it doesn't currently exist) . However, I'd be worried that the exasperation might encourage some people to vote SF etc. Just look at the UK for a scary example, people so desperate for a savior that you have grown adults voting Corbyn.

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 9:15pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Maybe you're viewing them as 'centre left', relative to your own deeply right-wing stance.

How could any party in this country be described as right wing?

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 9:16pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

The biggest difference being that I value the work that nurses do. You evidently do not.

Mom and apple pie stuff

James Brown · 11-12-2019 9:18pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

How could any party in this country be described as right wing?

Putting the wants of private business over the needs of society.

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 9:19pm

various artistes wrote: »

FF all the way. Not out of any love for them but because this version surely can't be quite as bad as FG under Leo, or FF under Cowen.

If FF don't do anything constructive about the insurance crisis, the housing crisis et al I'll simply give up voting until a centre right political party that puts Ireland and its taxpayers first gains any traction (far as I can see it doesn't currently exist) . However, I'd be worried that the exasperation might encourage some people to vote SF etc. Just look at the UK for a scary example, people so desperate for a savior that you have grown adults voting Corbyn.

FF are further to the left than at any other time since the 1950,s, Michael Martin could be the leader of the Labour Party right now, that's how opposite of Conservative he is, FF were never a friend of the tax payer but are especially spendthrift right now

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 9:21pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Putting the wants of private business over the needs of society.

Unwrap that fuzzy line

Elaborate

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 9:26pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

By any developed world standard, Fine Gael are a right wing party. The only thing up for discussion is how far right they are.

They delivered gay marriage, abortion, traveller ethnic status and are pushing to criminalise speech, then there is their economic policies, restored bubble years wages to various interest groups

"fine Gael are a right wing party"

Gimme a fcuking break

Better Than Christ · 11-12-2019 9:26pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Mom and apple pie stuff

Nice Americanism. Your skewed view of what constitutes left and right suddenly makes sense.

So you think nurses are overpaid then?

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 9:31pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Borrow. Build the homes and then rent them to people based on a percentage of their income, with no upper limit. It would make more financial sense than continuing to hand hundreds of millions of the state's money over to private landlords via the HAP scheme.

The Workers' Party has a good housing policy.

A third of social housing tenants don't bother paying their rent at all despite it costing peanuts, they face no consequence either

HAP is by far the cheapest option for the state, half of what's paid out comes back in income tax and the poor fool - landlord has take all the risks associated with unreliable demographics

RTE propoganda has rotted people's brains

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 9:34pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Nice Americanism. Your skewed view of what constitutes left and right suddenly makes sense.

So you think nurses are overpaid then?

I said i didn't think they were underpaid, 60k per annum isn't underpaid in my book

Jinglejangle69 · 11-12-2019 9:34pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Borrow. Build the homes and then rent them to people based on a percentage of their income, with no upper limit. It would make more financial sense than continuing to hand hundreds of millions of the state's money over to private landlords via the HAP scheme.

The Workers' Party has a good housing policy.

Borrow? how much?

If you can show me evidence that a social house recoups it’s costs over a lifetime I’d agree.

But it’s a loss to the taxpayer while people get houses for next to nothing and 1/3 don’t even bother paying.

Sorry I just don’t have the sympathy for giving discounted houses to huge amounts of ungrateful people.

Social housing for genuine people like people with disabilities or marriage break ups and nowhere to live.

People who are able to work but take the easy option no way.

And there is plenty of those.

People go on as if every of the 10,000 people in emergency accommodation deserve a house paid for by the taxpayer.

Are we allowed ask questions about these people and their status?

Of course not sure they all deserve a free house and all the others that follow them into emergency accommodation.

No questions asked just take take take.

statesaver · 11-12-2019 9:39pm

Defo not FG/FF. There is no difference between them. Should do us all a favour and merge.

So, dunno who i'll vote for.

James Brown · 11-12-2019 9:41pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Borrow? how much?

If you can show me evidence that a social house recoups it’s costs over a lifetime I’d agree.

But it’s a loss to the taxpayer while people get houses for next to nothing and 1/3 don’t even bother paying.

Revealed: State spends €1.2bn on housing even though building is cheaper

The trawl shows the average price paid for a social housing unit was €158,200 nationally, while this rises to €223,951 in Dublin. The cost of building a new home in Dublin during the same period would have been €199,000, according to Department of Housing figures.

In Dublin, around 1,100 homes could have been built for the amount it cost the State to buy 974 properties, which could have been bought instead by people hoping to own their first home.

Last year, a mere 838 homes were built by local authorities despite the worsening housing crisis.

Figures from the Central Statistics Office show there were more than 378,000 housing transactions between January 2011 and the end of February this year.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-state-spends-1-2bn-on-housing-even-though-building-is-cheaper-38125430.html

What ever your biases, we'd be better off building rather than buying. Leasing would be an even bigger waste.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Sorry I just don’t have the sympathy for giving discounted houses to huge amounts of ungrateful people.

What do you base this on?

tayto lover · 11-12-2019 9:42pm

Don’t know.
In my constituency we have a very poor choice unless someone new comes along.

Better Than Christ · 11-12-2019 9:43pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I said i didn't think they were underpaid, 60k per annum isn't underpaid in my book

Do you think they're overpaid? Simple question.

Also, what percentage of them are on €60k a year?

Mad_maxx wrote:

RTE propoganda has rotted people's brains

Let me guess - 'left-wing propoganda' (sic)?

rossie1977 · 11-12-2019 10:00pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

They delivered gay marriage, abortion, traveller ethnic status and are pushing to criminalise speech, then there is their economic policies, restored bubble years wages to various interest groups

"fine Gael are a right wing party"

Gimme a fcuking break

Actually the people of Ireland overwhelmingly delivered gay marriage and abortion. FG or any government party had nothing to do with it.

The tragic death of Savita Halappanavar turned Irish opinion almost completely in one direction immediately. There was country wide mass protests and Enda Kenny publicly stated in 2012

This is a matter that has divided Irish society now for a great number of years, and I am not going to be rushed into a situation by force of numbers on any side

Make no mistake FG and FF only got on the abortion/gay marriage train when it became clear public opinion was pointing one way and backing wrong horse ie no vote would have been political suicide.

Hodors Appletart · 11-12-2019 10:04pm

Won't vote for FF or FG

Won't vote for Labour, or the SDs

Won't vote Indie, waste of time and all they do is scupper proper government with parish pump nonsense.

Won't vote for PBP/WSP etc

Can't with any conscience vote SF

If the Greens run a candidate I'll go for them.

Better Than Christ · 11-12-2019 10:07pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Borrow? how much?

If you can show me evidence that a social house recoups it’s costs over a lifetime I’d agree.

But it’s a loss to the taxpayer while people get houses for next to nothing and 1/3 don’t even bother paying.

Sorry I just don’t have the sympathy for giving discounted houses to huge amounts of ungrateful people.

Social housing for genuine people like people with disabilities or marriage break ups and nowhere to live.

People who are able to work but take the easy option no way.

And there is plenty of those.

People go on as if every of the 10,000 people in emergency accommodation deserve a house paid for by the taxpayer.

Are we allowed ask questions about these people and their status?

Of course not sure they all deserve a free house and all the others that follow them into emergency accommodation.

No questions asked just take take take.

Quite the rant. Full of the usual right-wing prejudice. Lots of hard-working people live in social houses.

Far from giving people 'houses for next to nothing', the Workers' Party proposes widening the criteria for public housing so that working people currently being squeezed by private landlords can actually afford to live. Using myself as an example, I'm currently renting privately, earning too much to qualify for social housing and handing 40% of my salary over to my landlord. Under this proposal, I would qualify and would be paying between €629 and €874 a month. Still a significant chunk, but I'd have security and also half a chance of being able to save for a mortgage, should I want one. And if I lost my job in the next recession, my rent would temporarily go down in proportion with my income, so I wouldn't have to worry about spiraling into homelessness.

I know some people have an ideological hatred of the state doing anything that benefits anyone less fortunate than themselves, but if you take the time to read the link I posted, I'm sure you'll agree with at least some aspects of it.

suicide_circus · 11-12-2019 10:13pm

transport infrastructure is my election issue. it seems that whoever is in power is going to pursue a policy of population increase. public transport and roads in dublin are full to bursting. the greens then? they seem fixated on cycling but with the best will in the world, that is thinking far too small. we need large scale projects. i really dont know who to vote for.

Mad_maxx · 11-12-2019 10:16pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

Actually the people of Ireland overwhelmingly delivered gay marriage and abortion. FG or any government party had nothing to do with it.

The tragic death of Savita Halappanavar turned Irish opinion almost completely in one direction immediately. There was country wide mass protests and Enda Kenny publicly stated in 2012

Make no mistake FG and FF only got on the abortion/gay marriage train when it became clear public opinion was pointing one way and backing wrong horse ie no vote would have been political suicide.

Neither gay marriage or abortion were key issues for the majority of people, which isn't to say that the majority opposed, clearly they didn't but FG would not have been kicked out had they not called referendums on either, Liberal lobby groups forced the issue, it's the same with this direct provision business, to listen to the media, you would think it was of major concern to your average voter

Who is everyone going to be voting for in the next general election?

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