Seems like a good deal on firewood....

vicwatson · 24-02-2021 1:24am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

As at that stage it start to create a draft as the air cools

But does it not just stop moving when the heat dissipates?

Bass Reeves · 24-02-2021 2:55am

vicwatson wrote: »

But does it not just stop moving when the heat dissipates?

It dose but it takes time I just find as the stove cooks down it can create a draft like effect

Scruff · 26-02-2021 5:43pm

Scruff wrote: »

€350 for 1.8m3 kiln dried oak delivered (probably external measurements)
works out at €195/m3 delivered

https://eireecofuels.ie/product/kiln-dried-oak-firewood-double-pallet/

1.8m3 did indeed turn out to be the external dimensions of the pallet.
1.45m3 is the actual internal dimensions so price is really €241/m3 stacked delivered.

Will be trying truck/trailer loads in future methinks..

Fighting Tao · 26-02-2021 6:07pm

good one wrote: »

Dundalk Area

Burnwise.ie
or pick up from EK Fuels on Armagh Rd (R177) AKA Lisdoo Rd.

Kiln Dried Hardwood

2m3 380euro
1.3m3 240euro
1m3 200euro

Free delivery nationwide

I got a few bags of ash to try them out. They claim to be <20% but they seem to be about 24% moisture.

Do you know anything about the guy on the old Dublin road that is selling kiln dried bags?

Muahahaha · 26-02-2021 9:50pm

Scruff wrote: »

1.8m3 did indeed turn out to be the external dimensions of the pallet.
1.45m3 is the actual internal dimensions so price is really €241/m3 stacked delivered.

Will be trying truck/trailer loads in future methinks..

Its a fair whack off, by my calculation the difference between the external and internal dimensions there is just over 20%. I've still to measure my own 2m3 crate internally before I break it down for kindling but would expect similar numbers. The pallet base alone is about 20cms in height so you're already down a bit on that.

I think if you have the storage space then buying in bulk by the trailer load is the way to go. There is a fair saving on price when buying it in that kind of bulk and would definitely work out good bit cheaper than 241/m3. Question though is can you get trailer loads of kiln dried oak or ash? Maybe theyre out there but anytime Ive seen trailer loads advertised it seems to be locally grown softwoods like pine.

bogman wrote: »

Timber is like a sponge, Kiln dried timber has a MC of around 7-10%, leave this outside and the MC will increase to between 20-25% over the winter I guess.

Just to confirm this I bought the Aldi moisture meter earlier today just to have it. I was topping up the indoor log store and did a few tests with it. Everything coming from the outside log store was around 20-24% moisture content. The few logs that were still indoors had been lying there for about a month and I checked three of them- the meter read them at 9.2%, 8.4% and one was as low as 6.3%. So they're clearly getting a lot drier when left indoors for a few weeks before burning.

Cloudio9 · 27-02-2021 1:57pm

The moisture meter is only testing the surface of the wood. Moisture won’t penetrate hard wood that is sheltered outdoors and having it indoors is not going to make a difference to anything other than the surface.

skydish79 · 27-02-2021 3:14pm

We are cutting down trees at the minute

- Is it best leave the wood out in the open from now until September
- Then move it indoor over the winter

Bogwoppit · 27-02-2021 4:41pm

skydish79 wrote: »

We are cutting down trees at the minute

- Is it best leave the wood out in the open from now until September
- Then move it indoor over the winter

The sooner you get it split and under cover the better.

Scruff · 01-03-2021 1:46pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think if you have the storage space then buying in bulk by the trailer load is the way to go. There is a fair saving on price when buying it in that kind of bulk and would definitely work out good bit cheaper than 241/m3. Question though is can you get trailer loads of kiln dried oak or ash? Maybe theyre out there but anytime Ive seen trailer loads advertised it seems to be locally grown softwoods like pine.

That's the big problem, only softwoods from what i can find from commercial suppliers that do truck loads. Only other hope is donedeal/adverts for farmers or people clearing land and then ye dont really know what you are getting. If sustainability is a factor in your purchasing decision then best skip the private suppliers altogether. I've a great drying shed so seasoning myself isnt a problem, it sourcing.

Connolly saw mills will do truck loads of kiln dried hardwood but they only take off the cost of the delivery if you order the equivalent of 3 x 1 ton bags and you need to be within 20km. So not much of a saving there.

blindsider · 02-03-2021 12:58am

Years ago, we used to be able to buy a tree and my father, his workmate and 2 kids would go up to the wood for a day. We'd fell 2 trees and split them into lengths, load them on a big trailer and divide them 50/50 for the 2 houses.

Dad's workmate would bring a shotgun and we'd have a few pops each at crows and rats - sworn to secrecy!

Over the next week, we'd split them further at home, and stack them in the shed 6 months before we'd need them. Good times.

I suppose you can't do that nowadays...buy a tree and then fell it yourself?

philboy · 12-03-2021 5:38pm

Hi Guys,
I got a few pallets of coal and a double pallet of Hornbeam wood from Coal Warehouse last month. We split the wood amongst three households and we've noticed over the passed two weeks a large amount or red bettles or Lilly beetles coming out from the wood.

Have any of you purchased the Hornbeam and noticed this?

kil · 12-03-2021 6:16pm

philboy wrote: »

Hi Guys,
I got a few pallets of coal and a double pallet of Hornbeam wood from Coal Warehouse last month. We split the wood amongst three households and we've noticed over the passed two weeks a large amount or red bettles or Lilly beetles coming out from the wood.

Have any of you purchased the Hornbeam and noticed this?

I got a pallet of oak from Dairygold Co-op and the sample happened. Never happened me before, freaked the **** out of me - I went through the wood at a rapid rate just to get of them. I don't think it affects the burning performance.
Would we worth giving the feedback to Coal Warehouse.

philboy · 12-03-2021 6:33pm

kil wrote: »

I got a pallet of oak from Dairygold Co-op and the sample happened. Never happened me before, freaked the **** out of me - I went through the wood at a rapid rate just to get of them. I don't think it affects the burning performance.
Would we worth giving the feedback to Coal Warehouse.

I did indeed give the feedback to them and they said that the supplier hasn't noticed any insects. They also said they contacted someone who also buys wood from that supplier and he also hasn't had any issues.

I said I would check here to see if anyone else came across the issue.

Were the beetles in your wood the same as the ones in my picture?

vicwatson · 12-03-2021 7:29pm

philboy wrote: »

I did indeed give the feedback to them and they said that the supplier hasn't noticed any insects. They also said they contacted someone who also buys wood from that supplier and he also hasn't had any issues.

I said I would check here to see if anyone else came across the issue.

Were the beetles in your wood the same as the ones in my picture?

Picture?

philboy · 12-03-2021 7:37pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Picture?

Apologies, here is the picture

aw · 12-03-2021 9:16pm

philboy wrote: »

Apologies, here is the picture

Looks like Pyrrhidium sanguineum - 'Longhorn beetle'

See some of the reported sightings on this page, looks similar.
https://www.ispotnature.org/communities/uk-and-ireland/species-dictionary/NBNSYS0000011041/pyrrhidium-sanguineum

Fond of hanging out in wood.

laros · 13-03-2021 9:21am

Apologies, here is the picture

If its a potential Alien species try get a decent picture and contact Bio diversity Ireland to record the sighting , kill them as you find them. I had a similar problem in work a few years ago with vans coming from England for refurbishment and finding colonies of Harlequin Ladybirds behind the fittings on the vans.
https://records.biodiversityireland.ie/record/invasives#7/53.455/-8.016

vicwatson · 13-03-2021 10:00am

philboy wrote: »

Apologies, here is the picture

Did the wood seller say where the timber originated?

philboy · 13-03-2021 10:52am

The wood is from Latvia originally

Muahahaha · 13-03-2021 4:58pm

Is the beetle native to Ireland anyway or only as an import?

herrdood · 13-03-2021 7:53pm

kil wrote: »

I got a pallet of oak from Dairygold Co-op and the sample happened. Never happened me before, freaked the **** out of me - I went through the wood at a rapid rate just to get of them. I don't think it affects the burning performance.
Would we worth giving the feedback to Coal Warehouse.

The beetles freaked out my wife a bit.

Oak from dairygold too.

POBox19 · 15-03-2021 11:05am

herrdood wrote: »

The beetles freaked out my wife a bit.

Oak from dairygold too.

Was the wood kiln dried?
One of the reasons for kiln drying wood is to kill off any bugs and larvae growing in it so we don’t import any nasties. Seasoning timber doesn’t achieve this effect and should not be imported.

herrdood · 15-03-2021 12:19pm

POBox19 wrote: »

Was the wood kiln dried?
One of the reasons for kiln drying wood is to kill off any bugs and larvae growing in it so we don’t import any nasties. Seasoning timber doesn’t achieve this effect and should not be imported.

Hi,

It was sold as kiln dried. I don't have a meter so cannot indicate any particular moisture level. First time buying oak and this pallet of wood did not burn as well as the beech we previously used. Very sparky. Needed a lot of draught to get the wood going. I got some beech in the meantime to see how that would go and it burned fine.

Muahahaha · 15-03-2021 2:57pm

POBox19 wrote: »

Was the wood kiln dried?
One of the reasons for kiln drying wood is to kill off any bugs and larvae growing in it so we don’t import any nasties. Seasoning timber doesn’t achieve this effect and should not be imported.

yeah I dont know what this beetle is but if its not native to Ireland would have thought that the Dept of Agriculture have regulations about importing them. And if the logs went through a kiln in Lativia or whereever the logs came from then any insects would surely have been killed. It could also be the case that its a native beetle and it infected crates of logs while sitting in a yard for weeks on end.

razorronan · 15-03-2021 8:05pm

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07CHJKLY7

35 litre box of Kiln dried Ash.

Fighting Tao · 15-03-2021 8:37pm

razorronan wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07CHJKLY7

35 litre box of Kiln dried Ash.

Seems a little expensive. I can buy 20L locally for €6.

OmegaGene · 15-03-2021 11:07pm

razorronan wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07CHJKLY7

35 litre box of Kiln dried Ash.

Reviews are very poor and it’s not very cheap either in my opinion

deandean · 16-03-2021 12:39am

POBox19 wrote: »

Was the wood kiln dried?
One of the reasons for kiln drying wood is to kill off any bugs and larvae growing in it so we don’t import any nasties. Seasoning timber doesn’t achieve this effect and should not be imported.

'Kiln dried' is probably the most abused term in this business.
I know of a timber supplier in Nth Dublin, he stacks the wood in a big polytunnel for a few weeks and then he says it is 'kiln dried'. LOL!

aw · 16-03-2021 1:11pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

yeah I dont know what this beetle is but if its not native to Ireland would have thought that the Dept of Agriculture have regulations about importing them. And if the logs went through a kiln in Lativia or whereever the logs came from then any insects would surely have been killed. It could also be the case that its a native beetle and it infected crates of logs while sitting in a yard for weeks on end.

The wood might have been kiln dried.
But the soggy old pallet lying out in their yard for a month that the wood was wrapped into was probably not kiln dried.

webels · 16-03-2021 3:31pm

deandean wrote: »

'Kiln dried' is probably the most abused term in this business.
I know of a timber supplier in Nth Dublin, he stacks the wood in a big polytunnel for a few weeks and then he says it is 'kiln dried'. LOL!

Solar kiln.

joujoujou · 18-03-2021 4:22pm

Today in Lidl:

bailey99 · 24-03-2021 10:10am

do the coop or the other stockists have clearance sales to get rid of crates of wood at all? They hardly store them for the year til September or October again do they? From April onwards would there be sales in a given year?

Fighting Tao · 24-03-2021 10:24am

Not sure if it’s a good deal or not. A local traditionally coal company (Richie Watters) in Dundalk is selling 1.2m of kiln dried Silver Birch for €190 delivered. How does it burn compared to ash?

Henry Ford III · 24-03-2021 10:29am

Smaller scale but I buy 5 large net bags of firewood and a bag of kindling for €20 locally.

vicwatson · 24-03-2021 3:48pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Smaller scale but I buy 5 large net bags of firewood and a bag of kindling for €20 locally.

Softwood or hardwood?

Henry Ford III · 24-03-2021 5:04pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Softwood or hardwood?

I wouldn't know the difference tbh. It burns pretty well in the stove.

Muahahaha · 24-03-2021 5:29pm

bailey99 wrote: »

do the coop or the other stockists have clearance sales to get rid of crates of wood at all? They hardly store them for the year til September or October again do they? From April onwards would there be sales in a given year?

Ive never seen the Co-op offering any sales in the summer so would imagine they carry over their stock and sell it the following winter. They probably have lots of storage space and with forklifts can stack them 2 or 3 high. That said I would say you could haggle 10 maybe 20 quid off a crate of wood if buying it out of season, no harm in trying anyway.

Last summer Monahans sent me a text around the start of July offering 10% off crates. I didnt take it up at the time. If I get another text this July I'll post up here for others to take advantage if they want.

bailey99 · 24-03-2021 5:51pm

ya i thought independent places might be open to a bit of haggling, but i didn't think the CoOp would haggle.

vicwatson · 26-03-2021 2:42pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I wouldn't know the difference tbh. It burns pretty well in the stove.

Yeh softwood I'd say at that price.

wersal gummage · 03-04-2021 3:11pm

Thought I'd timed it quite well this year, all logs gone about a fortnight ago....

Anywhere around Dublin I could pick up a small bag of kiln dried logs? Will hold off till September now for a big stock up and don't want the stuff off the petrol station forecourt

Muahahaha · 03-04-2021 3:20pm

Try Woodies or B&Q but check the label to make sure it is kiln dried hardwood. Aldi have bags of logs for sale too but they are softwood and from experience they burn very quickly with not much heat, similar to the stuff the petrol stations sell so I would avoid them.

Heighway61 · 05-05-2021 3:34pm

Anyone spot a current deal in hardwood crates? I had noticed that supply was limited over recent times due to covid. Has this got any better?

Would there usually be a decrease in price for the summer months?

matchthis · 06-06-2021 12:22pm

Heighway61 wrote: »

Anyone spot a current deal in hardwood crates? I had noticed that supply was limited over recent times due to covid. Has this got any better?

Would there usually be a decrease in price for the summer months?

Was also just thinking this with the weather being good

vicwatson · 06-06-2021 6:48pm

Worth checking in with Monaghan’s

Must love hardship · 05-07-2021 11:15am

Was looking at getting some timber into the shed before the Winter rush.

Has anyone spotted any good deals available for hard wood for a stove?

Are these lads good value or over priced?

https://www.ecofuel.ie/collections/kiln-dried-firewood/products/kiln-dried-ash-firewood-double-deck-pallet

Muahahaha · 05-07-2021 3:28pm

Must love hardship wrote: »

Are these lads good value or over priced?

https://www.ecofuel.ie/collections/kiln-dried-firewood/products/kiln-dried-ash-firewood-double-deck-pallet

At 455 euro for 2m3 they are very over priced, I forget what that company were charging last winter but it wasnt that high (might have been 420-430 ish) so their prices have gone up.

2m3 of wood here (but oak instead of ash) for 370
http://monahans.ie/kiln-dried-logs.php
Ring and ask them if they will do a discount, in previous years they have reduced firewood by 10% in July

If you specifically want ash you should be able to find the same quantity of 2m3 for about 350-380

aw · 05-07-2021 8:16pm

As an aside, I was talking to a firewood vendor who is placing his wholesale orders for the season ahead.
Said prices have gone up a lot. The raw material has increased and also the cost of shipping a container of fuel from the Baltics has gone way up.

Seems unavoidable that prices will be much higher this year.
If you see a good deal now and can store it, go for it.

mjp · 05-07-2021 10:34pm

Must love hardship wrote: »

Was looking at getting some timber into the shed before the Winter rush.

Has anyone spotted any good deals available for hard wood for a stove?

Are these lads good value or over priced?

https://www.ecofuel.ie/collections/kiln-dried-firewood/products/kiln-dried-ash-firewood-double-deck-pallet

Nothing cheap about ecofuel or them prices.

2forjoy · 05-07-2021 11:51pm

The jumbo bag from surefire 185 delivered. No need to pay extra for couriers .
A bag of genuine blocks uniform size .

pumpkinpie86 · 15-07-2021 6:17pm

Would it be better to get all oak, or a mix of ash and oak? I have some softwood cut that should be ready for the winter, want to supplement it with hardwood and a bit of coal.

I'm looking at Monahans (243 euro for the 1.2m/450kg crate of oak) or my local Topline (199 euro for 400kg of mixed hardwood, I'm told ash and oak). Not sure which to go for.

Seems like a good deal on firewood....

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