Seems like a good deal on firewood....

ablelocks

we have a thread on oil, and one on coal, so why not one for firewood (incl all wood fuel products)?

I don't have a deal yet though - here's a list of wood fuel suppliers from the SEAI

vicwatson

Great idea

d31b0y

Got 4 tonne bags of hardwood delivered for 60 euro per bag in the Gorey area the other day. No site or online presence so PM me for number if you want it.

SQLDBA

Got a trailer of good (dry and nicely sized) timber of delivered in Killorglin, kerry area for €100. No site or online presence. PM me for number.

vicwatson

Just so everyone remembers that a tonne sized bag is not necessarily a tonne of logs, generally a "tonne sized bag" is 1m x 1m x 1m but it can hold more or less than 1000 kgs

d31b0y

Good point vicwatson. It can be confusing when you first go looking (found that out last year... first time with a stove). Everyone seems to measure the wood differently, it's difficult to compare. Always best to go by volume.

The bags that I got were well packed, builders tonne bags stacked above the rim with good size & dry pieces. More than enough here to get me through the winter and out the other side.

crabbypaddy

vicwatson wrote: »

Just so everyone remembers that a tonne sized bag is not necessarily a tonne of logs, generally a "tonne sized bag" is 1m x 1m x 1m but it can hold more or less than 1000 kgs

It can't under any circumstance hold more or near 1 ton of logs.

A solid cubic meter of Irish ash or oak is about 700kg, spruce and beech are about 550kg.

When sold as 'bulk' timber you're buying an awful lot of air. Bulk softwood is as little as 180kg per 'ton' bag.

surball

In the Dublin area - Dublin Fuel Centre had competitive prices for kiln dried ash when I bought some last year. Will probably go with them again this year unless anyone can better their price. They sell 1 tonne builders bags.

Eamondomc

crabbypaddy wrote: »

It can't under an circumstance hold more or near 1 ton of logs.

A solid cubic meter of Irish ash or oak is about 700kg, spruce and beech are about 550kg.

When sold as 'bulk' timber you're buying an awful lot of air. Bulk softwood is as little as 180kg per 'ton' bag.

That's the reason timber is so hard to quantify if you're buying it.
Volume to weight will vary depending on the type of timber, so it depends on what timber you buy as to the value it is per load or bag.
I have a good supply of whitethorn and ash in a shed that I got from my own land.
Cleaning ditches down, its great fire stuff alright with a good heat and lasts well too.
Not for sale though, and I harvest turf as my main fire fuel.

crabbypaddy

surball wrote: »

In the Dublin area - Dublin Fuel Centre had competitive prices for kiln dried ash when I bought some last year. Will probably go with them again this year unless anyone can better their price. They sell 1 tonne builders bags.

Are you burning it for effect or for heating. At their prices its about the same price as gas/oil if you have a very efficient stove, running optimally.

clfy39tzve8njq

The price of wood is outrageous. It's as cheap to burn oil.

Eamondomc

Its not as environmental friendly though!

allthedoyles

I bought a ton bag blocks last winter and they looked lovely on top but as we got down through the bag the quality got worse and worse.
The bottom few layers were only thick branches of trees and not split blocks .

surball

crabbypaddy wrote: »

Are you burning it for effect or for heating. At their prices its about the same price as gas/oil if you have a very efficient stove, running optimally.

a combination of both. We don't use it all the time and it's not our main source of heating in our house. The 185 for 2 ton bags of kiln dried ash wood will get us 4months worth of weekend and occasional evening use.

clfy39tzve8njq

I'm afraid I can't afford to worry bout the environment thanks to our government so money talks.

vicwatson

crabbypaddy wrote: »

It can't under any circumstance hold more or near 1 ton of logs.

A solid cubic meter of Irish ash or oak is about 700kg, spruce and beech are about 550kg.

When sold as 'bulk' timber you're buying an awful lot of air. Bulk softwood is as little as 180kg per 'ton' bag.

Hence my caveat

dozy doctor

Sorry to hijack the thread guys, I also received around a ton and a half in arklow for 60 euro from a bloke on Facebook... Think it was soft wood if it makes any difference...

Also noticed that another Chap was selling 3 x ton bags of peat for 100 euro but not sure if that is a good deal or not..

Any thoughts?

crabbypaddy

dozy doctor wrote: »

Also noticed that another Chao was selling 3 x ton bags of peat for €100… but not sure if that is a good deal or not..
Any thoughts?

Sounds cheap but it depends on the size of the 'ton' bags, quality, density and moisture content of the turf.

When comparing 'ton' bags bear in mind a slightly smaller looking bag can be a lot less turf
1m x 1m x 1m = 1m3
0.8m x 0.8m x 0.8m = 0.512m3 - approx half the turf
0.7m x 0.7m x 0.7m = 0.343m3 - approx one third the turf

ablelocks

Crate Of Kiln Dried Beech Firewood Logs 600Kg 25cm - €289, free delivery

for comparison, I got 2 x 400kg crates for €199 each last year, with free delivery (at the time, iirc the "offer" was €239 or 229 reduced to €199)

quality is very good imo

Kristopherus

ablelocks wrote: »

Crate Of Kiln Dried Beech Firewood Logs 600Kg 25cm - €289, free delivery

for comparison, I got 2 x 400kg crates for €199 each last year, with free delivery (at the time, iirc the "offer" was €239 or 229 reduced to €199)

quality is very good imo

Dairygold area. Will they deliver to Donegal at that price?

ablelocks

Kristopherus wrote: »

Dairygold area. Will they deliver to Donegal at that price?

As it says on the Delivery And Returns Policy page, "nationwide delivery"

vicwatson

Kristopherus wrote: »

Dairygold area. Will they deliver to Donegal at that price?

Says the following

"Our current promotion provides free delivery on all orders in excess of €200 – a limited number of products are excluded from this offer and are highlighted at point of purchase."

Also states this product qualifies for free delivery

AlanG

Not sure if its a deal but clonee sawmills had the following prices earlier in the year. Well packed and good wood.
Bulk Bag (1m3) Kiln Dried Beech €145.00
Crate (1.9m3) Kiln Dried Ash €385.00

Public2015

ablelocks wrote: »

Crate Of Kiln Dried Beech Firewood Logs 600Kg 25cm - €289, free delivery

Is this good value? I've no Idea what 600kg of kiln dried beech should cost, but is this in the ball park value-wise?

ablelocks

Public2015 wrote: »

Is this good value? I've no Idea what 600kg of kiln dried beech should cost, but is this in the ball park value-wise?

i think it's ok. The co-op superstore sells this wood by the 10kg bag at 5.79 a bag, so you're saving about 58 by buying it in bulk. Free delivery makes it worthwhile then.

MayoForSam

There's already a similar thread in the Forestry sub-forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057476913

clfy39tzve8njq

ablelocks wrote:

i think it's ok. The co-op superstore sells this wood by the 10kg bag at 5.79 a bag, so you're saving about 58 by buying it in bulk. Free delivery makes it worthwhile then.

I wouldn't be using the likes of co-op superstores as a yardstick they charge crazy prices.
From what I've seen of the price of wood it's cheaper to burn oil

Sam Kade

Esteban Huge Firefight wrote: »

I wouldn't be using the likes of co-op superstores as a yardstick they charge crazy prices.
From what I've seen of the price of wood it's cheaper to burn oil

I buy coal and logs from Dairygold as I have a boiler stove as the only heat source. To keep the stove going for 12 hours a day costs roughly €8.5 and the house is still comfortably warm in the morning until the stove is lit at 1pm. The last fill is 9pm and it lasts until 1am. If I were to get the same heat from oil even with an efficient modern burner I would use 3L/hour @ 58c/L that would cost €20.88/day. So how do you come to the conclusion that oil is cheaper?

davedub2015

Anybody know anyone selling hardwood in Dublin for sale looking for a tonne or trailer?

clfy39tzve8njq

I was really talking about wood on its own and going by the few blocks you'd get in a trailer for € 60 to € 80 and to generate the same heat. I reckon it would be cheaper to burn oil
You're doing well to heat the house for twelve hours a day for under € 60 a week. How many bags of coal do you burn.
It's € 19 euro for a bag of coal in the Co Op near me and I don't know how much the logs are.

pippip

Sam Kade wrote: »

I buy coal and logs from Dairygold as I have a boiler stove as the only heat source. To keep the stove going for 12 hours a day costs roughly €8.5 and the house is still comfortably warm in the morning until the stove is lit at 1pm. The last fill is 9pm and it lasts until 1am. If I were to get the same heat from oil even with an efficient modern burner I would use 3L/hour @ 58c/L that would cost €20.88/day. So how do you come to the conclusion that oil is cheaper?

Your calculations are way off, I know plenty of people with oil heating and would be nowhere near what your saying it costs. Your calculations on the oil leave out so many variables.

Sam Kade

pippip wrote: »

Your calculations are way off, I know plenty of people with oil heating and would be nowhere near what your saying it costs. Your calculations on the oil leave out so many variables.

Any efficient boiler will use 3L/hour, to have constant heat for 12 hours you need to have the boiler running for 12 hours so can you explain how I'm way off?

crabbypaddy

Sam Kade wrote: »

I buy coal and logs from Dairygold as I have a boiler stove as the only heat source. To keep the stove going for 12 hours a day costs roughly €8.5 and the house is still comfortably warm in the morning until the stove is lit at 1pm. The last fill is 9pm and it lasts until 1am. If I were to get the same heat from oil even with an efficient modern burner I would use 3L/hour @ 58c/L that would cost €20.88/day. So how do you come to the conclusion that oil is cheaper?

Its nowhere near double the cost for the same heat, thats not to say you wouldn't burn twice as much fuel, people with oil/gas boilers tend to put significantly more heat into their home, partly dues to the convenience, running heating for longer periods,being too lazy to turnoff radiators program zones and in general heating the entire house - you wouldn't find many people with boiler stoves heating the utility room or empty guest bedrooms.

At current prices the coal probably just about pips the kerosene. Its not so long ago the kerosene was 90+c a liter though at which time coal was saving several hundred euro a year versus oil for the average house.


Kerosene = 9.8kwh per liter 58c / 9.8 = 5.9c/ kwh

Assuming 85% efficiency for a real world condensing boiler with appropriately sized radiators, flow rate etc.

5.9c/kwh / 0.85 = 6.94c/kwh

Hiqh quality Bituminous coal = 8.5kwh /kg = 4.7c/kwh (assuming €16 per bag bought in bulk from coop - in Dublin probably more like €20 per bag)

Quoted solid fuel stove efficiencies are derived from an unrealistic test, real world efficiency of a modern boiler stove burning coal is probably 75% at best with dry fueld, appropriate loading, riddling, water circulation, draught adjustment, etc.

4.7c/kwh / 0.75 = 6.27c/kwh @75% efficiency

pippip

Sam Kade wrote: »

Any efficient boiler will use 3L/hour, to have constant heat for 12 hours you need to have the boiler running for 12 hours so can you explain how I'm way off?

For a start the boiler won't be constantly on for 12 hrs, it will turn on and off as needed. Along with the fact that if you're not in your home (assuming you don't spend 24hrs a day in your home) then oil can just be switched off.

Sam Kade

Esteban Huge Firefight wrote: »

I was really talking about wood on its own and going by the few blocks you'd get in a trailer for € 60 to € 80 and to generate the same heat. I reckon it would be cheaper to burn oil
You're doing well to heat the house for twelve hours a day for under € 60 a week. How many bags of coal do you burn.
It's € 19 euro for a bag of coal in the Co Op near me and I don't know how much the logs are.

Coal @ €17.49/bag and logs €3/bag. I use 1/3 bag of coal a day and less than a bag of logs.

Sam Kade

pippip wrote: »

For a start the boiler won't be constantly on for 12 hrs, it will turn on and off as needed. Along with the fact that if you're not in your home (assuming you don't spend 24hrs a day in your home) then oil can just be switched off.

The 3L/hour includes the boiler cutting in and out. Trying to compare oil with solid fuel and saying the oil will only be turned on for a few hours isn't comparing like with like.

clfy39tzve8njq

Sam Kade wrote:

Coal @ €17.49/bag and logs €3/bag. I use 1/3 bag of coal a day and less than a bag of logs.

I'm not doubting you but that seems very low usage for a boiler stove burning for 12 hours a day.

ablelocks

jaysus, how about we stick to actual bargains and do the cost/benefit/efficiency analysis in another thread. or better yet, forum

vicwatson

ablelocks wrote: »

jaysus, how about we stick to actual bargains and do the cost/benefit/efficiency analysis in another thread. or better yet, forum

Its getting worse in Bargain Alerts, the amount of off topic chat:eek:

Sam Kade

Esteban Huge Firefight wrote: »

I'm not doubting you but that seems very low usage for a boiler stove burning for 12 hours a day.

That's what I use no reason to lie, a fill will last 3-4 hours.

Sam Kade

ablelocks wrote: »

jaysus, how about we stick to actual bargains and do the cost/benefit/efficiency analysis in another thread. or better yet, forum

vicwatson wrote: »

Its getting worse in Bargain Alerts, the amount of off topic chat:eek:

Would you consider minimal efficient usage a bargain?

cutthegrass

Not sure if this is a bargain?

Got a leaflet through the door today from Eco Firewood Baldoyle D13.

(Can't post website link - maybe because I am a new user - ecofirewood dot eu)

At checkout these codes can be used: 'eco20' for 20 euro off a 1m3 crate of kiln dried firewood or 'eco40' for 40 euro off a 2m3 crate.

Online it seems the norm for a 2m3 crate of ash is around 360 euro - which is the same here. With the coupon it's 320 euro including nationwide delivery.

Last season I got a 1.5m3 crate of ash from my local Topline for 270 euro including delivery.

Has anyone used Eco Firewood before?

vicwatson

Isn't all firewood "eco"?

cutthegrass

vicwatson wrote:

Isn't all firewood "eco"?

I suppose so.

Just wondering about the business itself, quality of wood, delivery, etc. Never dealt with them before.

Whether it's worth taking a punt for 40 euro.

2forjoy

Just seen this website and prices look ok

http://surefirewood.com/firewood/

Supercell

Got three bags from this supplier on adverts, great quality stuff and cheap - http://www.adverts.ie/fuel/hardwood-and-softwood-firewood-free-delivery/11260704

vicwatson

Supercell wrote: »

Got three bags from this supplier on adverts, great quality stuff and cheap - http://www.adverts.ie/fuel/hardwood-and-softwood-firewood-free-delivery/11260704

Hard or softwood and how much please?

webels

vicwatson wrote: »

Hard or softwood and how much please?

Cost is in the add if you click through.

vicwatson

webels wrote: »

Cost is in the add if you click through.

Thanks, I had clicked through on phone but didn't see prices.

vicwatson

This whole firewood purchase is a minefield, trying to compare prices is very difficult.

Any ideas what weight is in a standard bag of softwood timber in the red net bag?

Local place charging €3.63 per bag, any places where I could get that sub 3 per bag, for the purchase of a pallet of it of 64 bags say ??

maximum12

cutthegrass wrote: »

Not sure if this is a bargain?

Got a leaflet through the door today from Eco Firewood Baldoyle D13.

(Can't post website link - maybe because I am a new user - ecofirewood dot eu)

At checkout these codes can be used: 'eco20' for 20 euro off a 1m3 crate of kiln dried firewood or 'eco40' for 40 euro off a 2m3 crate.

Online it seems the norm for a 2m3 crate of ash is around 360 euro - which is the same here. With the coupon it's 320 euro including nationwide delivery.

Last season I got a 1.5m3 crate of ash from my local Topline for 270 euro including delivery.

Has anyone used Eco Firewood before?

Prices seem good. A cubic metre crate of kiln dried ash is usually in the 220 to 240 range.