Restriction questions - the Megathread

Fann Linn · 28-03-2020 1:41am

El Weirdo wrote: »

Just go to work or open tomorrow if you're due to. If it turns out that you're not on the list, go home/close.

You're not gonna be arrested and thrown on jail if you have a reasonable excuse for being out.

How is this so difficult for people?

Not difficult at all. But why have people needlessly going around tomorrow when there is no need to?

harr · 28-03-2020 1:41am

aceman67 wrote: »

I wonder if computer repair callouts would be considered essential

I can imagine it would be , a lot of people working from home so IT services probably will classed as essential on a call out basis.

Guy:Incognito · 28-03-2020 1:42am

Food delivery places should be prioritised. Extra deliver drivers (anyone with a van thats not working now) taken on by supermarkets and extra take away delivery drivers. Give people as much opportunity as possible to have food come to them rather than need to go to supermarkets.

ceegee · 28-03-2020 1:43am

LadyMayBelle wrote: »

Quote RTE: To take brief individual personal exercise within 2km of your own home which may include children from your own household as long as you adhere to two-metre physical distancing

Surely you can go as a family?! Makes no sense to stop people living together who want to walk together from doing so?

It will make it far easier to police. How can anyone tell if 2 people walking together are a couple or two friends meeting up for a chat?

LadyMayBelle · 28-03-2020 1:45am

ceegee wrote: »

It will make it far easier to police. How can anyone tell if 2 people walking together are a couple or two friends meeting up for a chat?

Thanks!

Beasty · 28-03-2020 1:46am

Abba987 wrote: »

Please move / merge if appropriate

New topic seeking clarity to an announcement made only a few hours ago - this is the type of thread we do need as these questions and answers are lost in the main thread

TheChizler · 28-03-2020 1:46am

ceegee wrote: »

It will make it far easier to police. How can anyone tell if 2 people walking together are a couple or two friends meeting up for a chat?

Fair point actually.

cournioni · 28-03-2020 1:48am

From RTÉ:

However, if you consider your business or service to be an essential service, then the official advice is that you should open tomorrow, pending the publication of a full, detailed list.

Sleeper12 · 28-03-2020 1:49am

BoatMad wrote: »

Trade counters can’t open , only stores that deliver

2. Retail sale of household consumer products necessary to maintain the safety and sanitation of residences and businesses

Number 2 is trade counters. They are taking about plumbing and electrical trade counters in number 2

hetuzozaho · 28-03-2020 1:52am

Alun wrote: »

There's only my wife and I living here. What possible reasons could there be for us not going for a walk together rather than separately?

To help police it I assumed.

They are not asking much from us regards our walks and our runs, we can do this little bit ha

masculinist · 28-03-2020 1:55am

has anyone a link to specific legislation ?

Sleeper12 · 28-03-2020 1:57am

L1011 wrote:

It is specifically a retail only list, which most people here seem to be missing

It's not a complete list. The full list tomorrow should include what services are essential. Not all trades are equal in civil emergency. Painters, plasters etc might be be essential but people need light, heat and water. Hospitals and nursing homes need light, ventilation, heat and water. Even a washing machine repair guy or a domestic fridge repair guy is most likely essential. They need to publish a full list

Sleeper12 · 28-03-2020 1:58am

chimerical26 wrote:

My parents live about 20km from me. They are cocooned. Is it possible for me to exceed the 2km limit to leave groceries on their doorstep?

Yes but if the local supermarket delivers why would you need to do this.

Cilldara_2000 · 28-03-2020 2:00am

masculinist wrote: »

has anyone a link to specific legislation ?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/acts.html

Sleeper12 · 28-03-2020 2:00am

aceman67 wrote:

I wonder if computer repair callouts would be considered essential

They definitely are. For anyone working from home their home is their office. You are allowed to maintain their work equipment and office

L1011 · 28-03-2020 2:01am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's not a complete list. The full list tomorrow should include what services are essential. Not all trades are equal in civil emergency. Painters, plasters etc might be be essential but people need light, heat and water. Hospitals and nursing homes need light, ventilation, heat and water. Even a washing machine repair guy or a domestic fridge repair guy is most likely essential. They need to publish a full list

Its a retail only list so of course its not a full list; that's the point

Trades are not retailers.

Sleeper12 · 28-03-2020 2:06am

L1011 wrote:

Its a retail only list so of course its not a full list; that's the point

I can read you know. Leo said that a full list is available. My point is that it's not available yet nor will it be until tomorrow. I can read that it says retail BUT according to Leo the full list is available even though they are literally still working on it.

L1011 · 28-03-2020 2:07am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I can read you know. Leo said that a full list is available. My point is that it's not available yet nor will it be until tomorrow. I can read that it says retail BUT according to Leo the full list is available even though they are literally still working on it.

He said "will be available". Not Is.

Sleeper12 · 28-03-2020 2:21am

L1011 wrote:

He said "will be available". Not Is.

He also said new measures Come into play at midnight. He did imply that the list was ready to go but obviously not.

Anyways my profession are essential in any civil emergency so I've no doubt I'll be working flat out for the next few months. I have appointments tomorrow /today now, that I'll be keeping. Trade counters are essential (section 2 on the list) therefore some trades will be too

gluppers · 28-03-2020 2:23am

People returning to Ireland. Surely they can't stay with or visit families. They will need to quarantine for 2 weeks

Any advice on this? Relative coming home from South America on Sunday

Surely quarantine in a hotel (albeit expensive) is the best way to go?

BoatMad · 28-03-2020 2:26am

gluppers wrote: »

People returning to Ireland. Surely they can't stay with or visit families. They will need to quarantine for 2 weeks

Any advice on this? Relative coming home from South America on Sunday

Surely quarantine in a hotel (albeit expensive) is the best way to go?

The virus is now being spread primarily by community transmission , ie it’s amongst the community

Quarantining new entrants isnt now going to make any real difference, it would have useful , weeks ago, but not now

McDermotX · 28-03-2020 2:26am

Pensions.

Obviously the elderly cannot go out to the Post Offices etc, and probably asking them to defer for a couple of weeks (or more, if they've been voluntarily restricting their movements already) is far from ideal.

Wonder what the story is there ?

BoatMad · 28-03-2020 2:28am

McDermotX wrote: »

Pensions.

Obviously the elderly cannot go out to the Post Offices etc, and probably asking them to defer for a couple of weeks (or more, if they've been voluntarily restricting their movements already) is far from ideal.

Wonder what the story is there ?

They can nominate someone to collect it on their behalf

Larbre34 · 28-03-2020 2:30am

I would suggest computer call outs and any kind of home service, save for health care and built in essential appliances and boilers, are out.

If your laptop packs in and it can't be sorted by your company or a nearby repair place, you're in bother.

Sleeper12 · 28-03-2020 2:30am

BoatMad wrote:

They can nominate someone to collect it on their behalf

It's also paid out every two weeks now instead of weekly. As far as I know no pension is due to be paid next week

McDermotX · 28-03-2020 2:33am

BoatMad wrote: »

They can nominate someone to collect it on their behalf

Assuming they have someone of course.

s1ippy · 28-03-2020 2:34am

BoatMad wrote: »

The virus is now being spread primarily by community transmission , ie it’s amongst the community

Quarantining new entrants isnt now going to make any real difference, it would have useful , weeks ago, but not now

That is plainly not true, as a family member arriving home to their family with the virus will infect their whole household.

BoatMad · 28-03-2020 2:36am

s1ippy wrote: »

That is plainly not true, as a family member arriving home to their family with the virus will infect their whole household.

It’s a risk based analysis , it’s now being spread primarily by community transmission , hence the situation isn’t going to materially be helped by small amounts of quarantining , ( you are asked to self quarantine )

BoatMad · 28-03-2020 2:36am

McDermotX wrote: »

Assuming they have someone of course.

Most people have “ someone “

Charles Babbage · 28-03-2020 2:40am

Alun wrote: »

There's only my wife and I living here. What possible reasons could there be for us not going for a walk together rather than separately?

Because the Gardai would have to stop you to know whether it was your wife or your mistress, sister, neighbour etc.

_Kaiser_ · 28-03-2020 2:44am

chimerical26 wrote: »

I have heard on the radio that online deliveries are fully booked lately. It may end up being essential.

Yep. Was on the Tesco site this morning and deliveries from the local store are booked out to the end of the week of the 14th.

Then, assuming you get a slot, any offers are void as they expire before delivery and there's zero guarantee that they'll have what you order now in 3 weeks time.

That store is 7km away too.

rosiem · 28-03-2020 2:46am

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Yes but if the local supermarket delivers why would you need to do this.

My local shop has no future delivery dates available and next available click and collect is 8th April the shops need help in picking up this service to avoid people going to shops

gluppers · 28-03-2020 2:48am

BoatMad wrote: »

The virus is now being spread primarily by community transmission , ie it’s amongst the community

Quarantining new entrants isnt now going to make any real difference, it would have useful , weeks ago, but not now

I see the Australians are putting all new arrivals in hotels to quarantine as mandatory

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/australia-mandates-hotel-quarantine-for-all-arrivals/1781645

Better Than Christ · 28-03-2020 2:50am

My job is one of the 'essential' ones (I drive empty buses around all day). When I'm going to and from work, am I likely to be stopped by the Gardai? Obviously, my uniform/staff ID will be sufficient evidence, so I'm not overly concerned. But is this the level of policing we can expect? Individuals getting pulled over on the M50, asked where they're going, etc? And heavy enforcement if people are driving around unnecessarily? Or will they be focusing more on groups of people on the street, etc?

noodler · 28-03-2020 2:52am

Better Than Christ wrote: »

My job is one of the 'essential' ones (I drive empty buses around all day). When I'm going to and from work, am I likely to be stopped by the Gardai? Obviously, my uniform/staff ID will be sufficient evidence, so I'm not overly concerned. But is this the level of policing we can expect? Individuals getting pulled over on the M50, asked where they're going, etc? And heavy enforcement if people are driving around unnecessarily? Or will they be focusing more on groups of people on the street, etc?

Well, think it through.

Is one guy in a car the point of these measures or is it a bunch of people congregating?

khalessi · 28-03-2020 2:52am

Better Than Christ wrote: »

My job is one of the 'essential' ones (I drive empty buses around all day). When I'm going to and from work, am I likely to be stopped by the Gardai? Obviously, my uniform/staff ID will be sufficient evidence, so I'm not overly concerned. But is this the level of policing we can expect? Individuals getting pulled over on the M50, asked where they're going, etc? And heavy enforcement if people are driving around unnecessarily? Or will they be focusing more on groups of people on the street, etc?

unknown till tomorrow but Id expect a mix of those

nails1 · 28-03-2020 2:54am

What exactly is an easabe

Dodge · 28-03-2020 2:56am

Better Than Christ wrote: »

My job is one of the 'essential' ones (I drive empty buses around all day). When I'm going to and from work, am I likely to be stopped by the Gardai? Obviously, my uniform/staff ID will be sufficient evidence, so I'm not overly concerned. But is this the level of policing we can expect? Individuals getting pulled over on the M50, asked where they're going, etc? And heavy enforcement if people are driving around unnecessarily? Or will they be focusing more on groups of people on the street, etc?

Come on, have a little bit of cop on. They’re not going to be pulling over individual drivers.

Same applies to people out walking on their own

Does everybody have to have everything spelled out for them?

keep 2 metres apart from everyone and police won’t come near you. It’s that simple

BoatMad · 28-03-2020 2:56am

khalessi wrote: »

unknown till tomorrow but Id expect a mix of those

The Gardaí have announced a nationwide action to enforce the new regulations , what that means on the ground remains to be seen

I suspect the forecast good weather has made the Gov act today

nails1 · 28-03-2020 2:58am

I work in a the warehouse of a DHL couriers . Is this considered an essential business to remain open?

BoatMad · 28-03-2020 3:00am

nails1 wrote: »

I work in a the warehouse of a DHL couriers . Is this considered an essential business to remain open?

You’ll find out when you turn up tomorrow !

Better Than Christ · 28-03-2020 3:02am

noodler wrote: »

Well, think it through.

Is one guy in a car the point of these measures or is it a bunch of people congregating?

Well, if I went for a drive right now, for no valid reason, I'd be one guy in a car, but I'd be blatantly breaching the restrictions. And if the guards see me driving to work in the morning, they've no way of knowing (unless they stop me) whether I have a 'valid' reason to be out or not. I'm hoping it'll be a common-sense approach by the guards, applied with a light touch and nothing heavy-handed.

Dodge · 28-03-2020 3:08am

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Well, if I went for a drive right now, for no valid reason, I'd be one guy in a car, but I'd be blatantly breaching the restrictions. And if the guards see me driving to work in the morning, they've no way of knowing (unless they stop me) whether I have a 'valid' reason to be out or not. I'm hoping it'll be a common-sense approach by the guards, applied with a light touch and nothing heavy-handed.

Again, a bit of cop. Don’t go if you don’t have to. If you’re going to the shop. Tell them. If you’re going to work tell them

They will not be stopping individual drivers though

BoatMad · 28-03-2020 3:09am

Dodge wrote: »

Again, a bit of cop. Don’t go if you don’t have to. If you’re going to the shop. Tell them. If you’re going to work tell them

They will not be stopping individual drivers though

I suspect they will have a number of stop and question check points out tomorrow , stopping everyone , rather like tax checks

28-03-2020 3:12am

I am a dog walker, the last two weeks my work is only two dogs both of whom belong to disabled ladies. One of them is in total isolation as she is very vunerable. According to these two women my service is essential right now. Definitely for one of them, her dog would go crazy and wreck the place. She has sons but one of them is symptomatic, another told to self isolate and the third one abroad. I see care of animals on the list in relation to farm animals. I am hoping my work will also be covered.

Dodge · 28-03-2020 3:14am

BoatMad wrote: »

I suspect they will have a number of stop and question check points out tomorrow , stopping everyone , rather like tax checks

So everybody can say ‘off to the shops’.

Think about it a little...

Better Than Christ · 28-03-2020 3:17am

Dodge wrote: »

So everybody can say ‘off to the shops’.

Think about it a little...

They're already very visible (I literally saw more Garda than civilian cars on the roads over the last few nights), but actual checkpoints are likely to be the nearest they'll get to 'enforcing' the government's message.

BoatMad · 28-03-2020 3:18am

Dodge wrote: »

So everybody can say ‘off to the shops’.

Think about it a little...

Yes but the point is it’s shows that such checks exist , whether they are effective remains to be seen, as Leo said , the Gov can’t do much more , just exactly what would yiu like to see , roadside executions ?

28-03-2020 3:54am

I thought the Gardai already came out and said they wouldn't be performing checkpoints, as it was unnecessarily putting the Gardai in close contact with people, at a time when self isolation and social distancing is the go-to?

Maybe this has changed? I'm just not sure how the Gardai will deal with this. They can't police the most in-your-face crimes of lads on scrambler bikes, how are the going to police whether Im going to the shop or meeting someone for a cup of tea :rolleyes:

Sleeper12 · 28-03-2020 8:28am

rosiem wrote:

My local shop has no future delivery dates available and next available click and collect is 8th April the shops need help in picking up this service to avoid people going to shops

I'm not disagreeing with you. Leo said that carers would be allowed to care for the elderly & were essential services. He then stated professional carers & family carers. Dropping shopping at your mams front door is allowed. He also said that the 2k rule will be very difficult to police. I'll be putting up possibly 100 miles in a day in the course of my work. I can function if I'm pulled over & questioned every 10 miles.

In some countries you get online and fill in the form stating where you are going and for what reason including date and time. If stopped the Gardai can check this & either fine you or let you go about your business.

These measures would have been introduced two weeks ago but they didn't have the legislation to back it up. They rushed it thr the Dail and made the public statement within hours of the president signing it.

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