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Drew Harris appointed Garda commissioner.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Yeah they tend to be a frugal lot as well...so he is unlikely to lose a dozen phones and a couple of laptops.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Dank Janniels


    They should have hired Tom Sellick


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    They should have hired Tom Sellick

    Or Rex Banner


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭D Trent


    Nah

    Get James Gordon in to clean it up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    Think Steven Seagal should have gotten it personally.

    Didn't he single handily defeat the UVF and the IRA using nothing more than these sweet sweet sweet Aikido moves?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    There's a lot of people saying that this in preparation for a united Ireland. Interesting video on Newsnight stating that post-Brexit communication about such an event are already taking place. Some senior unionist figures are even changing their minds.

    ian_paisley.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Do you understand that we're not in court?

    Deniers of this are on the same level as deniers of Gerry Adams being in the IRA.

    Oh my.


    You're right this isn't court this is a debate, have ever been involved in one before?

    It's pretty simple, when you make a claim it's expected that you will back that claim up with evidence so as to prove your point. If you don't do this then how can anyone take your claims seriously?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    He only wants two years. His real ambition is to be Chief Constable of the PSNI, and to be eligible he has to serve at least two years in a senior role in another force. Normally that would be on the GB mainland but the Garda position will probably be good to satisfy the criteria.

    He’s already served in the Scottish police, hasn’t he?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,219 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    It's reported that he has served for two years in Scotland, as part of the Inspectorate of Constabulary.
    His contract with the Gardaì is for five years.

    It will be interesting to see how this appointment works out.

    And to all those who are complaining that he isn't "Irish Enough" to qualify for the job, how qualified do you think Noireen is for her new position?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/nóirín-o-sullivan-secures-job-with-international-policing-body-1.3270586%3fmode=amp


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Drifter50


    You mean the online BBC survey?

    Oh, my. This is a bit like the time in 1998 when Paisley called the Queen of England a "parrot" because he didn't like the message.

    A majority of all age cohorts in NI under 40 describe themselves as Catholic. And how many DUP Catholics have you come across? A strong majority of students at all levels are similar. This reality is not debated. So, you can keep your head in the sand about the changes, or you can start planning now.

    I would find that very hard to believe, Belfast is the largest conurbation in NI and is becoming quite cosmopolitan now ( not just Catholic/Prod) To say over 50% of everyone in NI under 40 describe themselves as Catholics seems to be over the top. Where did you see this info


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Good appointment.

    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. He'll slip up eventually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,402 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    fxotoole wrote: »
    He’s already served in the Scottish police, hasn’t he?

    In 2014 the only PSNI officer with the correct qualifications for the Chief Constable job was Hamilton. So whatever service Harris had in Scotland was not at a high enough level to satisfy the criteria.

    He would not have got the job if Sinn Fein were in government here. Unless he was happy to settle for a salary of €100K or less, as is SF policy on public pay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,519 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    archer22 wrote: »
    Yeah they tend to be a frugal lot as well...so he is unlikely to lose a dozen phones and a couple of laptops.

    A lot less work-shy too.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Oh my.


    You're right this isn't court this is a debate, have ever been involved in one before?

    It's pretty simple, when you make a claim it's expected that you will back that claim up with evidence so as to prove your point. If you don't do this then how can anyone take your claims seriously?

    Debate? Are you alright? Like I said, this is on the same level as denying Gerry Adams was in the IRA.
    I can hardly supply you with the files can I? Seen as they have mysteriously disappeared!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Debate? Are you alright? Like I said, this is on the same level as denying Gerry Adams was in the IRA.
    I can hardly supply you with the files can I? Seen as they have mysteriously disappeared!

    I'll leave you to your fantasies and speculation because trying to have a debate with you is on par with banging my head against a brick wall.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Actually Kudos for the original poster to not only bring up someone’s religion in relation to them getting a job in the republic but also the specific offshoot of their religion.

    This so called “united” Ireland isn’t exactly sounding very “United” now is it??.

    This thread is about as welcome as Liam Adams offering to help out at your kids youth club.....

    Still posting about bringing your kids to Orange Order marches Tim? If so do you see the irony in what you posted? Bringing your children to marches which celebrate perceived supremacy over another religion.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    I'll leave you to your fantasies and speculation because trying to have a debate with you is on par with banging my head against a brick wall.

    This is a silly online forum. You got confused or something, we're not in court or on the school debating team.

    The files have disappeared, the families are still looking for justice. The engineering of the bombs does not consist with previous loyalist efforts. I'll leave you to deny Gerry Adams was in the IRA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    Unless they separate Garda policing from national security functions this makes no sense.

    Harris' loyalty has always been to a foreign power. It was revealed at the Smithwick Tribunal that as PSNI head of intelligence he was its interface with MI5. Hardly a safe set of hands for matters of national security.

    No adverse reflection on Harris' character intended : he appears to be a talented, experienced and principled Police officer.

    My first thought has well. They will have to set up a stand alone security apparatus now. It would make absolutely no sense to allow a man whose bedrock loyalty is to a foreign power and who has worked hand in glove with MI5 for decades to be in charge of irish national security. I don't believe that the powers that be or that naive and stupid (although you never know).

    In relation to reforming day to day policing he seems like a great choice. He knows policing in an Irish context and is an outsider to An GS. He needs to be allowed bring in his own team as well though. If he doesn't he could be very easily isolated and the Head of operational policing might end up the de facto or "real commissioner" in the eyes of the mules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    And has been pointed out to you MANY Sinn fein members are also part of an organisation that have the same/worse decor. Where is your thread on them?

    I mean one day they might get into power (snigger) and one of them may become minister for justice (snigger, snigger) so surely that are just as dangerous to the country right?

    I don't know why you find the fact that SF will get into power so hilarious. They are quite obviously on the cusp of garnering real political power. I would never vote for them in a million years but it is obvious that sooner or later they will be in government


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    sabat wrote: »
    His name sounds like a teenager from the wrong side of the tracks in Neighbours or Home and Away.

    hes probably from yabbie creek!!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭jonsnow


    The RUC.probably hated catholics but as a police force, they were far less corrupt than AGS

    I dont recall the GS for all their faults running death squads or some members moonlighting with said death squads

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_McCaughey

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Weir_(loyalist)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭6541


    is it a still a requirement to be able to speak Irish in the civil service. I wonder is Drew fluent ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,526 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    6541 wrote: »
    is it a still a requirement to be able to speak Irish in the civil service. I wonder is Drew fluent ?


    He has no need to be nor is he required to.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,530 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    6541 wrote: »
    is it a still a requirement to be able to speak Irish in the civil service. I wonder is Drew fluent ?

    The Irish requirement was done away with in 2005.

    Irish no longer a requirement to join An Garda


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    Unless they separate Garda policing from national security functions this makes no sense.

    Harris' loyalty has always been to a foreign power. It was revealed at the Smithwick Tribunal that as PSNI head of intelligence he was its interface with MI5. Hardly a safe set of hands for matters of national security.

    No adverse reflection on Harris' character intended : he appears to be a talented, experienced and principled Police officer.

    I'm pretty sure we have a fairly comprehensive intelligence-sharing arrangement with the UK anyway. There wouldn't really be anything we know that they wouldn't when it comes to national security, especially given the fact that we almost completely rely on them to protect our national security interests given our geographical location next to them and their vastly superior security apparatus covering us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    This is a silly online forum. You got confused or something, we're not in court or on the school debating team.

    Me: The grass is blue, you only think.its green because we are all fed drugs everyday to make us think it's green.

    You: What? Do you have evidence for this?

    Me: Nah man they buried the secret files but you have my word on it, grass is really blue!
    The files have disappeared, the families are still looking for justice. The engineering of the bombs does not consist with previous loyalist efforts. I'll leave you to deny Gerry Adams was in the IRA.

    1st. I have never denied Adams was in the IRA so I'm confused as to why you are saying this?:confused:

    2nd: If you are going to accuse someone if sonethingbits really only right that tounhave evidence to back up your claim. Would it be ok for me to accuse someone of having connections to a child sex ring without Evidence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    I couldn't give a toss about his religion but I do care about the fact he was working with the RUC Special Branch that was up to its neck in collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries that murdered Irish citizens on both sides of the border. That entire police force was a discredited mess that engaged in collusion, torture and a rake of other human rights abuses. I don't think we should be eagerly welcoming someone coming out of that mire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,952 ✭✭✭6541


    I also wonder is he a member of the Orange Order. If so he needs to declare this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    6541 wrote: »
    is it a still a requirement to be able to speak Irish in the civil service. I wonder is Drew fluent ?

    An bhfuil Gaeilge líofa agat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,526 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I couldn't give a toss about his religion but I do care about the fact he was working with the RUC Special Branch that was up to its neck in collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries that murdered Irish citizens on both sides of the border. That entire police force was a discredited mess that engaged in collusion, torture and a rake of other human rights abuses. I don't think we should be eagerly welcoming someone coming out of that mire.


    would that be the police force he helped reform?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    would that be the police force he helped reform?

    The one whose security agenda is under the exclusive control of MI5? The conflict is over and that's the reason the cops there are no longer operating as a counter-insurgency force; the last thing we need is some RUC old guard who was getting up to god knows what.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,526 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FTA69 wrote: »
    The one whose security agenda is under the exclusive control of MI5? The conflict is over and that's the reason the cops there are no longer operating as a counter-insurgency force; the last thing we need is some RUC old guard who was getting up to god knows what.


    so you decided to ignore the bit where i said he was heavily involved in reforming the RUC?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I couldn't give a toss about his religion but I do care about the fact he was working with the RUC Special Branch that was up to its neck in collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries that murdered Irish citizens on both sides of the border. That entire police force was a discredited mess that engaged in collusion, torture and a rake of other human rights abuses. I don't think we should be eagerly welcoming someone coming out of that mire.

    He was involved in tearing down the mess you spoke of and establishing the PSNI, which improved things vastly. Hopefully he can do the same with the Gardai, who are similarly in need of a demolish and refurb job.

    The IRA, I might remind you, also murdered Irish citizens (including Gardai) on both sides of the border including his father and also engaged in torture, criminality and other human rights abuses. Any dislike he holds towards that organization is entirely warranted and shared by the vast majority of decent people on both sides of the border.

    It has been fun to watch shinnerbot heads explode over this on twitter though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    so you decided to ignore the bit where i said he was heavily involved in reforming the RUC?

    He was a figure within the RUC during a period of reform, and while in a senior role was supposedly working closely with MI5 and conspiring to come up with politically-motivated arrests of Gerry Adams and co. We have no idea of his past, except for the fact he was involved in sections of that police force which were also engaging in collusion with Loyalists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,526 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FTA69 wrote: »
    He was a figure within the RUC during a period of reform, and while in a senior role was supposedly working closely with MI5 and conspiring to come up with politically-motivated arrests of Gerry Adams and co. We have no idea of his past, except for the fact he was involved in sections of that police force which were also engaging in collusion with Loyalists.


    presumably you dont actually have anything to support that? Or that he actually colluded with loyalists?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    presumably you dont actually have anything to support that? Or that he actually colluded with loyalists?

    Sure all the files have been buried/destroyed and they would hardly give an auld republican joe soap access to them anyway :D

    It's gas though, we shouldn't trust this man because he has in the past been associated with an organisation that did horrible things, nothing to say he did them just that he was associated.

    The same posters saying this would post here 24/7 if an election was called tell9ng us all why we should vote for SF. An organisation FULL of people who have associations to an organisation that murdered innocent people and who have members today in the public eye linked to said murders.

    But we should trust them.because they are "good republicans "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,526 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Sure all the files have been buried/destroyed and they would hardly give an auld republican joe soap access to them anyway :D

    It's gas though, we shouldn't trust this man because he has in the past been associated with an organisation that did horrible things, nothing to say hedid them just that he was associated.

    The same posters saying this would post here 24/7 if an election was called tell9ng us all why we should vote for ST. An organisation FULL of people who have associations to an organisation that murdered innocent people and who have members today in the public eye linked to said murders.


    not just linked, actually convicted of said murders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I couldn't give a toss about his religion but I do care about the fact he was working with the RUC Special Branch that was up to its neck in collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries that murdered Irish citizens on both sides of the border. That entire police force was a discredited mess that engaged in collusion, torture and a rake of other human rights abuses. I don't think we should be eagerly welcoming someone coming out of that mire.

    Having people trying to murder them and their families every time they stepped outside the door might have influenced their behaviour a bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    OOnegative wrote: »

    If 65 isn't too old we could do worse than get this guy

    Former NZ Police Commissioner, once fought off a gang of machete-wielding ruffians who had invaded his home while he was only armed with a ceremonial sword. Also refused to allow the NZ police generally to carry firearms (a good fit with our largely unarmed policy) and has prior experience with policing outside of his native country.

    Oh and his mammy came from Roscommon ;)


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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Me: The grass is blue, you only think.its green because we are all fed drugs everyday to make us think it's green.

    You: What? Do you have evidence for this?

    Me: Nah man they buried the secret files but you have my word on it, grass is really blue!



    1st. I have never denied Adams was in the IRA so I'm confused as to why you are saying this?:confused:

    2nd: If you are going to accuse someone if sonethingbits really only right that tounhave evidence to back up your claim. Would it be ok for me to accuse someone of having connections to a child sex ring without Evidence?

    If you're going to denyt the files went missing even then we're completely wasting our time.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    He was involved in tearing down the mess you spoke of and establishing the PSNI, which improved things vastly. Hopefully he can do the same with the Gardai, who are similarly in need of a demolish and refurb job.

    The IRA, I might remind you, also murdered Irish citizens (including Gardai) on both sides of the border including his father and also engaged in torture, criminality and other human rights abuses. Any dislike he holds towards that organization is entirely warranted and shared by the vast majority of decent people on both sides of the border.

    It has been fun to watch shinnerbot heads explode over this on twitter though.

    So IRA murder = bad, ruc murder = ah shure they've changed now.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Sure all the files have been buried/destroyed and they would hardly give an auld republican joe soap access to them anyway :D

    It's gas though, we shouldn't trust this man because he has in the past been associated with an organisation that did horrible things, nothing to say hedid them just that he was associated.

    The same posters saying this would post here 24/7 if an election was called tell9ng us all why we should vote for ST. An organisation FULL of people who have associations to an organisation that murdered innocent people and who have members today in the public eye linked to said murders.

    But we should trust them.because they are "good republicans "

    Oh it's all hilarious to you isn't it? The Dublin and Monaghan's victims families have been fighting for justice for years, they've been abused and silenced, the files have disappeared, no investigation in to it but that's all ok, it gives you a good laugh.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    archer22 wrote: »
    Having people trying to murder them and their families every time they stepped outside the door might have influenced their behaviour a bit.

    The ruc and loyalists fought side by side, don't forget that loyalists were bombing Nationalist areas in 1966!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    If you're going to denyt the files went missing even then we're completely wasting our time.

    Well all we have is your word for it because everytime you have been asked for evidence you have refused to provide it!

    Also can you please post any evidence that the gent in question was involved in any of the nefarious activities you are alluding to or are you just tarring everyone with the same brush?


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Well all we have is your word for it because everytime you have been asked for evidence you have refused to provide it!

    Also can you please post any evidence that the gent in question was involved in any of the nefarious activities you are alluding to or are you just tarring everyone with the same brush?

    Like I said, this is like denying Gerry Adams was in the IRA. Look it up if you want, I'm not going to spoonfeed you. Especially as you laugh at the victims families.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    DONTMATTER wrote: »
    Oh it's all hilarious to you isn't it? The Dublin and Monaghan's victims families have been fighting for justice for years, they've been abused and silenced, the files have disappeared, no investigation in to it but that's all ok, it gives you a good laugh.

    Nothing funny about that at all old chap, the funny part (for me) is the way you keep basically tarring this man for crimes you have no proof he committed!

    Should we all hate every SF member because they are associated with an organisation that killed innocents? Should no SF member ever get a job in the public service because of this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    For some reason it wont allow me to reply to thos post
    Like I said, this is like denying Gerry Adams was in the IRA. Look it up if you want, I'm not going to spoonfeed you. Especially as you laugh at the victims families.

    No one is saying Adams wasn't in the IRA but I guarantee if you start a thread claiming that then you will be hounded for evidence.

    I'm also not laughing at anyone but You, your constant refusal to back up any/all claims that you make is what's funny.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    Nothing funny about that at all old chap, the funny part (for me) is the way you keep basically tarring this man for crimes you have no proof he committed!

    Should we all hate every SF member because they are associated with an organisation that killed innocents? Should no SF member ever get a job in the public service because of this?

    Look again:

    "Sure all the files have been buried/destroyed and they would hardly give an auld republican joe soap access to them anyway :D"

    You're making a laugh of them. They've been pushed around and silenced for years, still no investigation.


  • Site Banned Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭DONTMATTER


    For some reason it wont allow me to reply to thos post



    No one is saying Adams wasn't in the IRA but I guarantee if you start a thread claiming that then you will be hounded for evidence.

    I'm also not laughing at anyone but You, your constant refusal to back up any/all claims that you make is what's funny.

    Read what you posted again. It's ****ing disgusting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    I hope someone from ROI will take his place as Deputy CC of PSNI.

    I don't know how the small print is phrased, but in order to get the PSNICC job, applicants need to have served at ACC or above outside of NI. Obviously part of the reform process, to try to avoid the "Normal For Northern Ireland" institutional culture from getting too whiffy. Drew Harris, for example, isn't eligible for the Top Nordie Job, as while he's worked in other UK forces, it was at a (slightly!) more junior rank.

    Whether or not it's possible under the current regs, it might in time become seen to be a good career move to go back and forth between the two services on this island, especially in the upper echelons.


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