DONTMATTER wrote: » Any evidence that Gerry Adams was in the IRA? I condemn all murders from anyone, the IRA, British army, SinnFéin whoever! I already said that I was against murderers pages ago! We need justice for all the victims, appointing a former ruc man won't help open up the case for the families of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings for example.
Spook_ie wrote: » I have no doubt that if someone said Martin McGuiness and Gerry Adams were IRA leaders you'd be asking for proof.
DONTMATTER wrote: » No because of course they were in the IRA, I don't have proof though. The denials of British security forces involvement in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings is on the same scale as I said.
DONTMATTER wrote: » Look again: "Sure all the files have been buried/destroyed and they would hardly give an auld republican joe soap access to them anyway " You're making a laugh of them. They've been pushed around and silenced for years, still no investigation.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » I hope someone from ROI will take his place as Deputy CC of PSNI.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » For some reason it wont allow me to reply to thos post No one is saying Adams wasn't in the IRA but I guarantee if you start a thread claiming that then you will be hounded for evidence. I'm also not laughing at anyone but You, your constant refusal to back up any/all claims that you make is what's funny.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Nothing funny about that at all old chap, the funny part (for me) is the way you keep basically tarring this man for crimes you have no proof he committed! Should we all hate every SF member because they are associated with an organisation that killed innocents? Should no SF member ever get a job in the public service because of this?
Like I said, this is like denying Gerry Adams was in the IRA. Look it up if you want, I'm not going to spoonfeed you. Especially as you laugh at the victims families.
DONTMATTER wrote: » Oh it's all hilarious to you isn't it? The Dublin and Monaghan's victims families have been fighting for justice for years, they've been abused and silenced, the files have disappeared, no investigation in to it but that's all ok, it gives you a good laugh.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Well all we have is your word for it because everytime you have been asked for evidence you have refused to provide it! Also can you please post any evidence that the gent in question was involved in any of the nefarious activities you are alluding to or are you just tarring everyone with the same brush?
DONTMATTER wrote: » If you're going to denyt the files went missing even then we're completely wasting our time.
archer22 wrote: » Having people trying to murder them and their families every time they stepped outside the door might have influenced their behaviour a bit.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Sure all the files have been buried/destroyed and they would hardly give an auld republican joe soap access to them anyway It's gas though, we shouldn't trust this man because he has in the past been associated with an organisation that did horrible things, nothing to say hedid them just that he was associated. The same posters saying this would post here 24/7 if an election was called tell9ng us all why we should vote for ST. An organisation FULL of people who have associations to an organisation that murdered innocent people and who have members today in the public eye linked to said murders. But we should trust them.because they are "good republicans "
Foxhound38 wrote: » He was involved in tearing down the mess you spoke of and establishing the PSNI, which improved things vastly. Hopefully he can do the same with the Gardai, who are similarly in need of a demolish and refurb job. The IRA, I might remind you, also murdered Irish citizens (including Gardai) on both sides of the border including his father and also engaged in torture, criminality and other human rights abuses. Any dislike he holds towards that organization is entirely warranted and shared by the vast majority of decent people on both sides of the border. It has been fun to watch shinnerbot heads explode over this on twitter though.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Me: The grass is blue, you only think.its green because we are all fed drugs everyday to make us think it's green. You: What? Do you have evidence for this? Me: Nah man they buried the secret files but you have my word on it, grass is really blue! 1st. I have never denied Adams was in the IRA so I'm confused as to why you are saying this? 2nd: If you are going to accuse someone if sonethingbits really only right that tounhave evidence to back up your claim. Would it be ok for me to accuse someone of having connections to a child sex ring without Evidence?
OOnegative wrote: » https://amp.smh.com.au/national/nsw/malaysian-police-chief-faces-corruption-probe-after-afp-action-20180306-p4z32i.html This lad would have been ideal.
FTA69 wrote: » I couldn't give a toss about his religion but I do care about the fact he was working with the RUC Special Branch that was up to its neck in collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries that murdered Irish citizens on both sides of the border. That entire police force was a discredited mess that engaged in collusion, torture and a rake of other human rights abuses. I don't think we should be eagerly welcoming someone coming out of that mire.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Sure all the files have been buried/destroyed and they would hardly give an auld republican joe soap access to them anyway It's gas though, we shouldn't trust this man because he has in the past been associated with an organisation that did horrible things, nothing to say hedid them just that he was associated. The same posters saying this would post here 24/7 if an election was called tell9ng us all why we should vote for ST. An organisation FULL of people who have associations to an organisation that murdered innocent people and who have members today in the public eye linked to said murders.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » presumably you dont actually have anything to support that? Or that he actually colluded with loyalists?
FTA69 wrote: » He was a figure within the RUC during a period of reform, and while in a senior role was supposedly working closely with MI5 and conspiring to come up with politically-motivated arrests of Gerry Adams and co. We have no idea of his past, except for the fact he was involved in sections of that police force which were also engaging in collusion with Loyalists.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » so you decided to ignore the bit where i said he was heavily involved in reforming the RUC?
FTA69 wrote: » The one whose security agenda is under the exclusive control of MI5? The conflict is over and that's the reason the cops there are no longer operating as a counter-insurgency force; the last thing we need is some RUC old guard who was getting up to god knows what.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » would that be the police force he helped reform?
6541 wrote: » is it a still a requirement to be able to speak Irish in the civil service. I wonder is Drew fluent ?
DONTMATTER wrote: » This is a silly online forum. You got confused or something, we're not in court or on the school debating team.
The files have disappeared, the families are still looking for justice. The engineering of the bombs does not consist with previous loyalist efforts. I'll leave you to deny Gerry Adams was in the IRA.
CrankyHaus wrote: » Unless they separate Garda policing from national security functions this makes no sense. Harris' loyalty has always been to a foreign power. It was revealed at the Smithwick Tribunal that as PSNI head of intelligence he was its interface with MI5. Hardly a safe set of hands for matters of national security. No adverse reflection on Harris' character intended : he appears to be a talented, experienced and principled Police officer.
