Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

mgn · 30-12-2020 3:24pm

elperello wrote: »

What did you think of it?

Well worth a watch if you missed it.

I think that and The Real Field which was also on RTE last night were two of the best documentaries that I have seen on any channel this year

You would say that anyway.

elperello · 30-12-2020 4:01pm

mgn wrote: »

You would say that anyway.

Cold house here as usual for anyone who says anything positive about RTE programmes

Did you watch either of those documentaries yourself?

PieOhMy · 30-12-2020 4:09pm

The real field was very good. And made total sense to put the actual film on after. First time I've watched 2 listings on rte back to back in a very long time.

Not to put words in the previous posters mouth but I think the point was that a programme was repeated within 24 hours of it's original broadcast. Highlighting the volume of repeats.

StevenToast · 30-12-2020 4:38pm

elperello wrote: »

Cold house here as usual for anyone who says anything positive about RTE programmes

Did you watch either of those documentaries yourself?

Another positive thing ill say about RTE...

I enjoy RTE Gold radio station and Lyric fm...

Id make a contribution towards that...maybe €50 fee a year for it along with some useful tv programming...e.g news, docs, Tg4, few kids things etc...

Im not paying Ryan Tubridys wages

Elmo · 30-12-2020 6:32pm

elperello wrote: »

Cold house here as usual for anyone who says anything positive about RTE programmes

Did you watch either of those documentaries yourself?

Yep both good, but they could do more. Sorry the short shrift is because.... RTÉ always highlight there own good work and because there is so little of it,

Did you watch

Mrs browne's boys
Their repeat of last Christmases celebrity knock off of gogglebox
Or gaybo laughs back
Or pat short on d'telly repeats?
?

Elmo · 30-12-2020 6:35pm

StevenToast wrote: »

Another positive thing ill say about RTE...

I enjoy RTE Gold radio station and Lyric fm...

Id make a contribution towards that...maybe €50 fee a year for it along with some useful tv programming...e.g news, docs, Tg4, few kids things etc...

Im not paying Ryan Tubridys wages

TG4 is a separate company they get nuact from RTÉ and a few repeat irish languages Shows.

Very few children's things they have cut that budget by 75% and only because not covid did they have to produce home school hub.

elperello · 30-12-2020 6:39pm

Elmo wrote: »

Yep both good, but they could do more. Sorry the short shrift is because.... RTÉ always highlight there own good work and because there is so little of it,

Did you watch

Mrs browne's boys
Their repeat of last Christmases celebrity knock off of gogglebox
Or gaybo laughs back
Or pat short on d'telly repeats?
?

Of course more of the good stuff would be better. It's hardly unusual that they highlight their good work. This is show biz after all.

Seeing as you ask -

I don't like MBB. I like BO'C but not that oul wan he hangs out with

.
Not into Gogglebox or celebrity vehicles.
I like almost anything with Gaybo or Pat Short.

mgn · 30-12-2020 7:01pm

elperello wrote: »

Cold house here as usual for anyone who says anything positive about RTE programmes

Did you watch either of those documentaries yourself?

I did, the Francis street one not really of much interest to me but i can see the attraction for some.
The Real Field could have being a good documentary but I felt it was more about promoting RTE's go to publican Billy Keane than what the actual program was about.

Now that you have tried to divert attention away from what was discussed here,
What is your opinion on all the star presenters gone off on a 2 week break at probably one of the most important times this country has ever faced.

elperello · 30-12-2020 7:29pm

mgn wrote: »

I did, the Francis street one not really of much interest to me but i can see the attraction for some.
The Real Field could have being a good documentary but I felt it was more about promoting RTE's go to publican Billy Keane than what the actual program was about.

Now that you have tried to divert attention away from what was discussed here,
What is your opinion on all the star presenters gone off on a 2 week break at probably one of the most important times this country has ever faced.

I didn't post to divert attention at all.
I was responding to another poster who mentioned the RTE documentary.

When the "star presenters" are on air all they get is abuse here, yet when they are on a break you want them back.

I suppose if it's in their contracts that's it.

A bit more news would have been good.

mgn · 30-12-2020 7:51pm

elperello wrote: »

I didn't post to divert attention at all.
I was responding to another poster who mentioned the RTE documentary.

When the "star presenters" are on air all they get is abuse here, yet when they are on a break you want them back.

I suppose if it's in their contracts that's it.

A bit more news would have been good.

I personally would be quite happy if the never came back,
the new presenters that's covering for them are in fact a lot better than them,
and probably only getting paid a fraction of what the stars are getting paid.
So keep them a huge saving there straight away.

RTE are a shambles of an organisation, like this evening for example the 1pm News on at 5.30pm on the RTE News Now channel for the day that's in it.

Nobody outside RTE can defend that.

elperello · 30-12-2020 7:56pm

mgn wrote: »

I personally would be quite happy if the never came back,
the new presenters that's covering for them are in fact a lot better than them,
and probably only getting paid a fraction of what the stars are getting paid.
So keep them a huge saving there straight away.

RTE are a shambles of an organisation, like this evening for example the 1pm News on at 5.30pm on the RTE News Now channel for the day that's in it.

Nobody outside RTE can defend that.

You didn't address the matter of you accusing me of posting to divert attention.

Just got an hour of news on RTE.

Bang up to date now, happy out.

mgn · 30-12-2020 8:12pm

elperello wrote: »

You didn't address the matter of you accusing me of posting to divert attention.

Just got an hour of news on RTE.

Bang up to date now, happy out.

I also said nobody outside RTE could defend them.

Did you miss that bit.

elperello · 30-12-2020 8:15pm

mgn wrote: »

I also said nobody outside RTE could defend them.

Did you miss that bit.

Very funny

mgn · 30-12-2020 8:17pm

elperello wrote: »

Very funny

And a Happy New Year to you too.

StevenToast · 30-12-2020 10:28pm

Note to dee forbes.....all the presenters that are standing in for the "big talent" are far superior than what they are replacing...

No need for:

Sharon ni bheolain
Caitriona Perry
Eileen Dunne
Ryan Tubridy
Miriam O'Callaghan
Joe Duffy
Ray Darcy

Ive probably saved you nearly €2million there....im sure ive left out a few others...

Youre welcome....

ButtersSuki · 31-12-2020 12:49am

StevenToast wrote: »

Note to dee forbes.....all the presenters that are standing in for the "big talent" are far superior than what they are replacing...

No need for:

Sharon ni bheolain
Caitriona Perry
Eileen Dunne
Ryan Tubridy
Miriam O'Callaghan
Joe Duffy
Ray Darcy

Ive probably saved you nearly €2million there....im sure ive left out a few others...

Youre welcome....

You’d be a lot closer to €4m than €2m if you cut all of those.

Nevin Parsnipp · 31-12-2020 11:37am

Tubbs ,The Dufficer and D'Arcy would be just South of 2 million based on wages ....with expenses etc would be well over it .

Don't think the newsreaders are on massive wedges ...good wedges mind ....but not the obscene shedloads paid to Tubbs.Duffy and Darcy.

Couple of the Sports guys are trousering fairly eye watering packages ....given that not a lot of Sport took place compared to other years ?

Agree that the stand ins over the Xmas were very competent and freshened thing up ....well done to them ...

Brendan Bendar · 31-12-2020 7:52pm

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

Tubbs ,The Dufficer and D'Arcy would be just South of 2 million based on wages ....with expenses etc would be well over it .

Don't think the newsreaders are on massive wedges ...good wedges mind ....but not the obscene shedloads paid to Tubbs.Duffy and Darcy.

Couple of the Sports guys are trousering fairly eye watering packages ....given that not a lot of Sport took place compared to other years ?

Agree that the stand ins over the Xmas were very competent and freshened thing up ....well done to them ...

Mr Tommie Gorman is apparently on a wedge of €200k

Editor class apparently, does his bit in fairness.... hmmm +- €120k maybe.

Nevin Parsnipp · 31-12-2020 9:20pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Mr Tommie Gorman is apparently on a wedge of €200k

Editor class apparently, does his bit in fairness.... hmmm +- €120k maybe.

If Gorman is on €200 k then EVERY editor is on sommat similiar and maybe some on more .....like Tony Connelly who it must be said did a great job and is one Dude who could be poached .

Be interested to compare the Virgin Media wedges and conditions with counterparts in RTE.

This is crying out for some investigating journo to do an expose...but it never happens ?

Vested interests / cowardice / afraid to rock the boat .....you tell me ?

This what boils my p1$$ when I hear hacks bleating about the need to protect independant media !

Give it over lads ...you are fooling no one !

NIMAN · 31-12-2020 9:25pm

A few years ago George Hamilton was on 200k, and then got the best of seats at all the world's top sporting events, plus free accommodation and expenses when at each one.

Had to be the best job ever.

Nevin Parsnipp · 31-12-2020 10:10pm

NIMAN wrote: »

A few years ago George Hamilton was on 200k, and then got the best of seats at all the world's top sporting events, plus free accommodation and expenses when at each one.

Had to be the best job ever.

There is a case in point ....what are the Virgin Media Soccer commentators paid and what wedges are the studio people on ?

Hamilton is a competent commentator ...no more ...no less...but so are the VM dudes .

You would imagine that given the controversy about RTE salaries somebody would make that comparison ....wouldn't you ?

Bit strange that no journo has done that ...don't you think ?

31-12-2020 10:13pm

Nobody in media will criticise RTE as that is the big leagues which they aspire to be promoted to at some stage in their career.

Pa ElGrande · 31-12-2020 10:18pm

StevenToast wrote: »

Note to dee forbes.....all the presenters that are standing in for the "big talent" are far superior than what they are replacing...

No need for:

Sharon ni bheolain
Caitriona Perry
Eileen Dunne
Ryan Tubridy
Miriam O'Callaghan
Joe Duffy
Ray Darcy

Ive probably saved you nearly €2million there....im sure ive left out a few others...

Youre welcome....

You are not thinking outside the box - virtual presenters using AI is where the future is.

As for 2FM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnGaf0p9x1U

Even Joe Duffy does not escape.

SEPT 23 1989 · 31-12-2020 10:58pm

Is this garbage the best they can do on New Years Eve?

Government buildings · 31-12-2020 11:01pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Is this garbage the best they can do on New Years Eve?

Yes.

gifted · 31-12-2020 11:03pm

It's the worst ever on the Irish channels this christmas....to be fair though, it's been ****e on all the tv channels

mgn · 31-12-2020 11:25pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Is this garbage the best they can do on New Years Eve?

The can do what the like, their answerable to no one.

StevenToast · 31-12-2020 11:38pm

mgn wrote: »

The can do what the like, their answerable to no one.

I disagree....they are answerable to the licence fee payer....

I do not pay the licence fee....so let them play brendan ocarroll dressed in drag all christmas...not costing me anything...

If you have a problem with them...stop paying the licence fee...

31-12-2020 11:48pm

StevenToast wrote: »

I disagree....they are answerable to the licence fee payer....

I do not pay the licence fee....so let them play brendan ocarroll dressed in drag all christmas...not costing me anything...

If you have a problem with them...stop paying the licence fee...

...until you are forced to pay whether you watch or not and then it will be too late.

mgn · 31-12-2020 11:53pm

StevenToast wrote: »

I disagree....they are answerable to the licence fee payer....

I do not pay the licence fee....so let them play brendan ocarroll dressed in drag all christmas...not costing me anything...

If you have a problem with them...stop paying the licence fee...

The couldn't care less about the people who pay the licence fee,
The last week has proven that.

How to you get around when the tax's you pay goes towards bailing them out every year.

So you pay for them one way or another, licence or no licence.

StevenToast · 31-12-2020 11:57pm

mgn wrote: »

The couldn't care less about the people who pay the licence fee,
The last week has proven that.

How to you get around when the tax's you pay goes towards bailing them out every year.

So you pay for them one way or another, licence or no licence.

Fair point....i just feel abit better not paying the licence fee..

Im not getting "doubly hit" then!

sligojoek · 01-01-2021 12:57am

The 9.00 'News' was 6 minutes long tonight.

You have the virus, the vaccine, Brexit and people rioting in Dublin. I'm sure there was loads else going on around the country.

AndyBoBandy · 01-01-2021 1:07am

Jools Hootenanny is pre recorded, and their showing performances from years gone by, yet it’s still better than listening to the RTÉ set sounding like their in a tunnel talking sh1te....

And then Jason Byrne is there..... talk about 2021 getting off to a bad start!!!

AndyBoBandy · 01-01-2021 10:57am

New Years Day 2021, and RTÉ are showing Junior Masterchef 2014........

I’m guessing it’s because Donal Skehan is one of the judges on it, and he’s their darling and must be pushed upon us at any and every opportunity.

sligojoek · 01-01-2021 1:05pm

No news or nuacht at mid-day. Just the angelus.

smurgen · 01-01-2021 1:16pm

sligojoek wrote: »

No news or nuacht at mid-day. Just the angelus.

It's not as if there's anything big happening

RabbleRouser2k · 01-01-2021 1:27pm

sligojoek wrote: »

The 9.00 'News' was 6 minutes long tonight.

You have the virus, the vaccine, Brexit and people rioting in Dublin. I'm sure there was loads else going on around the country.

I believe, for legal reasons, they're not allowed comment on the incidents in Dublin due to the 'sensitivity' of the matter.

If there were a court case, RTE could be seen as unduly influencing the outcome of a trial.

retalivity · 01-01-2021 1:39pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I believe, for legal reasons, they're not allowed comment on the incidents in Dublin due to the 'sensitivity' of the matter.

If there were a court case, RTE could be seen as unduly influencing the outcome of a trial.

It also goes against the narrative they foist on the public.

Brendan Bendar · 01-01-2021 1:41pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I believe, for legal reasons, they're not allowed comment on the incidents in Dublin due to the 'sensitivity' of the matter.

If there were a court case, RTE could be seen as unduly influencing the outcome of a trial.

Never heard that they weren’t allowed to report the facts of the issue.

This is really incredible stuff, I mean the whole performance over the Xmas and NY period.

Unbelievable disrespect for the licence payer.

sligojoek · 01-01-2021 1:42pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I believe, for legal reasons, they're not allowed comment on the incidents in Dublin due to the 'sensitivity' of the matter.

If there were a court case, RTE could be seen as unduly influencing the outcome of a trial.

They could have easily reported that incidents had taken place, without influencing any trial.

RabbleRouser2k · 01-01-2021 2:04pm

sligojoek wrote: »

They could have easily reported that incidents had taken place, without influencing any trial.

It's some legal grey area bull crap.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/media-must-act-to-ensure-crime-reporting-is-fair-and-balanced-1.943313

There's also the reasons for the alleged inciting incident. It's still a sensitive topic, there's probably gonna be a an inquest as to the events leading up to it, and because of that, RTE have to sit on the sidelines.

There are also some very... dangerous, individuals stoking the flames rn.
RTE put one foot wrong, and things could go very badly.

ligerdub · 01-01-2021 2:08pm

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

There is a case in point ....what are the Virgin Media Soccer commentators paid and what wedges are the studio people on ?

Hamilton is a competent commentator ...no more ...no less...but so are the VM dudes .

You would imagine that given the controversy about RTE salaries somebody would make that comparison ....wouldn't you ?

Bit strange that no journo has done that ...don't you think ?

I'm no defender of RTE, and this is just my opinion, but Hamilton is far superior than anything any other Irish broadcaster has in terms of football commentating.

Like it or not, and I would be somebody who would gladly replace punditry with a looping highlight reel, but commentary is a big contributor to viewing figures, particularly when there is a choice for the same fixture.

Dave McIntyre is just not Hamilton. I wonder how many people would like to see VM getting the coverage of Ireland matches over RTE. I suspect it would be very few.

In my view, sports coverage would be the only reason making the TV licence of any value, and given they are losing much of it that is under serious threat.

01-01-2021 4:45pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I believe, for legal reasons, they're not allowed comment on the incidents in Dublin due to the 'sensitivity' of the matter.

If there were a court case, RTE could be seen as unduly influencing the outcome of a trial.

From an October advert by RTÉ

Today, RTÉ launches its 'Truth Matters' campaign to remind everyone that anything they see, hear or read from RTÉ is underpinned by core journalistic values - truth, impartiality, and accuracy.

RTÉ has a vast reach - both locally and globally - and with that comes huge responsibility to explore the story from all sides; to create unbiased and fact-checked news.

I’m not expecting them to “comment”, I’m expecting them to report the facts. It happened, so tell us what happened. Truth Matters, you know.

RabbleRouser2k · 02-01-2021 3:21am

Deleted User wrote: »

From an October advert by RTÉ

I’m not expecting them to “comment”, I’m expecting them to report the facts. It happened, so tell us what happened. Truth Matters, you know.

Very sensitive subject matter. The people I feel really sorry for are those it affected and who aren't stoking the flames. Social media is a cesspit, and that's where the worst of the worst go to fan the flames.

I'd love to comment on it more, but I'm doing my best to be extremely sensitive around the subject. I've no doubt the worst of the worst will happily try to make it an 'us vs them' kinda deal.

ligerdub wrote: »

I'm no defender of RTE, and this is just my opinion, but Hamilton is far superior than anything any other Irish broadcaster has in terms of football commentating.

Dave McIntyre is just not Hamilton. I wonder how many people would like to see VM getting the coverage of Ireland matches over RTE. I suspect it would be very few.

In my view, sports coverage would be the only reason making the TV licence of any value, and given they are losing much of it that is under serious threat.

Good ol' Ryle Nugent-completely mucked up the Sports dept at RTE. Poured so much focus onto the Rugby, he let everything fall by the wayside... then lost the Rugby. Was swiftly fired after that.

The superstitious among people find that anytime Virgin Media cover a sports event, it's either plagued by bad luck (For the Irish teams), or it's just not as interesting.

Sports coverage here tends to be very mixed, tbh.

Nevin Parsnipp · 02-01-2021 11:27am

ligerdub wrote: »

I'm no defender of RTE, and this is just my opinion, but Hamilton is far superior than anything any other Irish broadcaster has in terms of football commentating.

Like it or not, and I would be somebody who would gladly replace punditry with a looping highlight reel, but commentary is a big contributor to viewing figures, particularly when there is a choice for the same fixture.

Dave McIntyre is just not Hamilton. I wonder how many people would like to see VM getting the coverage of Ireland matches over RTE. I suspect it would be very few.

In my view, sports coverage would be the only reason making the TV licence of any value, and given they are losing much of it that is under serious threat.

Yes I go for Hamilton ahead of the VM commentators but does that make him worth North of €200k per year for a half dozen matches...does that make him any more than a competent commentator ?

A lot of preference is based on what you are used to which is only natural.

My point was not really about who is the best commentator ...but is about whether Hamilton is worth more than €100k salary over the VM guys.

Stovepipe · 02-01-2021 3:57pm

swiftly fired after that.

Was he actually fired? I thought it was near impossible to be fired from RTE unless you were a proven kiddie fiddler.

ButtersSuki · 02-01-2021 4:07pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

swiftly fired after that.

Was he actually fired? I thought it was near impossible to be fired from RTE unless you were a proven kiddie fiddler.

Who was “swiftly fired”? If you’re referring to Ryle Nugent he wasn’t.

AndyBoBandy · 02-01-2021 4:25pm

I wonder how soon Dr Ebun Joseph will be on The Late Late Show to tell us all how racist we are....

ligerdub · 02-01-2021 4:40pm

Nevin Parsnipp wrote: »

Yes I go for Hamilton ahead of the VM commentators but does that make him worth North of €200k per year for a half dozen matches...does that make him any more than a competent commentator ?

A lot of preference is based on what you are used to which is only natural.

My point was not really about who is the best commentator ...but is about whether Hamilton is worth more than €100k salary over the VM guys.

The viewing figures for Ireland matches probably make it one of the most advertiser friendly of anything RTE puts out.

He also does some radio work. I'm not well versed as to the extent of this, or indeed the sort of listenership he gets. It's worth something though. Let's say for arguments sake the radio gig is worth €50k per annum (others may disagree so fair enough).

There's also the consideration of the likes of the going rate for similar services. Punditry for example is a well paying gig across the board.

For me it depends on whether or not there is a competing broadcaster in general terms. For example, RTE will have the World Cup/Euros/Ireland national matches as well as the Champions league to some extent. If RTE throw in a novice or someone with no real legacy with the viewing public they might not be inclined to tune in. That's the difference in terms of better ad revenue or not. I suppose it really depends on whether or not they are meeting that requirement or not. On this one I think his salary is possibly a little high but not ridiculous.

Now I might have to go lie down and consider my own behaviour after defending RTE.

Stovepipe · 02-01-2021 4:41pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Who was “swiftly fired”? If you’re referring to Ryle Nugent he wasn’t.

Im quoting rabblerouser2K

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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