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The glorious 12th

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  • #402
    Fan of Netflix
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭Fan of Netflix


    https://twitter.com/BBCMarkSimpson/status/1149666398253154305

    State of this Blueshirt prick Richmond. His family were in the OO in Cavan not suprised he's loving it. Having a great time while our national flag is burned. He should stay there.


  • #403
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    _blaaz wrote: »
    If you call it culture and try pass it off as a fun family day...it'll be all ok



    Personally i feel culturally enriched by seeing this....

    The reason the psni wont do anything about it....is they are drawn from same communities as its culturally ok to.do this

    Reason there are not more from catholic community in PSNI despite the massive effort is because Irish republicans whether in the Ira, the new Ira or the i can’t believe it’s not the Ira keep blowing either them up or their legs off. In the case of the Gaelic playing officer he accused members of his own gaa community around toome. Lovely people it seems.


  • #404
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I find this one strange. Are the PSNI a normal police force assigned to carry out normal police duties like you'd see police so in Birmingham, London, Liverpool, Manchester?

    IF so, the ones in those cities are prone now to questioning people if they make dangerous remarks online or in the media.....the police in England even recently 'spoke' to Jo Brand after she joked about throwing battery acid on a politician instead of a milkshake.

    She was making a joke and was spoken to.

    And there are plenty of other examples.

    Yet in NI, you can fly swastika's, burn flags to antagonise your neighbours, burn tyres, ruin car parks, threaten staff etc etc, yet the police unfortunately can do nothing about it.

    You are getting at the nub of what still has to happen in northern Ireland NIMAN.

    I think that female police officer talked herself into a corner yesterday, it will be interesting to see if there are any repercussions with her 'We don't have the power' remarks. Because I think they would have plenty of 'powers' if they genuinely wanted to use them


  • #405
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Reason there are not more from catholic community in PSNI despote the massive effort is because Irish republicans whether in the Ira, the new Ira or the i can’t believe it’s not the Ira keep blowing either them up or their legs off. In the case of the Gaelic playing officer he accused members of his own gaa community around toome. Lovely people it seems.
    Meh....noones defending them


    Any chance of engageing with the subject matter instead of roaring "look over there....dem catholics baaaad" at anyone who questions what passes for culture/family fun days in NI?


  • #406
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Reason there are not more from catholic community in PSNI despite the massive effort is because Irish republicans whether in the Ira, the new Ira or the i can’t believe it’s not the Ira keep blowing either them up or their legs off. In the case of the Gaelic playing officer he accused members of his own gaa community around toome. Lovely people it seems.

    What is the percentage breakdown? Anyway police should act irrelevant of what community they are from. If I went out on the street down here and started burning the Union Jack the gardai wouldn’t be long picking me up.


  • #407
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    What is the percentage breakdown? Anyway police should act irrelevant of what community they are from. If I went out on the street down here and started burning the Union Jack the gardai wouldn’t be long picking me up.

    No idea of the percentage. Look it up on google if you wish. I do know that the percentage of officers of catholic background has decreased since Irish republicans started threatening their families and blowing them up. (As they wanted a more equal police force) Surprising that.

    Yet the Garda allowed a parade of so called dissident republicans not long after they shot some wee girl in the head in Londonderry.


  • #408
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Let's not forget that you get booted out of the Orange Order if you marry a Catholic but you don't if you torture/murder one.

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    Shankill Butcher Eddie McIlwaine


  • #409
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    cgcsb wrote: »
    I'd say for every nationalist flying flags, there's about 300 loyalists doing the same. Nationalist areas are much more low key, even the notorious Falls road only has a handful of permanent flags, mostly on memorials.

    The rebuplicans have a future to look forward to. The loyalist can only look back to their "glorious" past.


  • #410
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    timthumbni wrote: »
    No idea of the percentage. Look it up on google if you wish. I do know that the percentage of officers of catholic background has decreased since Irish republicans started threatening their families and blowing them up. (As they wanted a more equal police force) Surprising that.

    Yet the Garda allowed a parade of so called dissident republicans not long after they shot some wee girl in the head in Londonderry.

    People have a right to march on a public street subject to certain conditions. However open acts of sectarianism would not be tolerated.

    Of course yes the vast majority would prefer they didn’t march.


  • #411
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I think the way parading is being dealt with is the right way to do it. If history has shown anything in Ireland, north or south, it's that people don't like being told what not to do - it's something we all have in common I suppose.


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  • #412
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    timthumbni wrote: »
    And what was the question here exactly?

    Bit self important of you to presume that this thread was some sort of Q&A session for yourself..


  • #413
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    People have a right to march on a public street subject to certain conditions. However open acts of sectarianism would not be tolerated.

    Of course yes the vast majority would prefer they didn’t march.

    But yet if they support open acts of terrorism that is tolerated. Those Irish republicans they were supporting had murdered some wee girl in stroke city a short time earlier. Come on now.


  • #414
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Bit self important of you to presume that this thread was some sort of Q&A session for yourself..

    Not at all. But he had responded and quoted my post.

    I actually went to a 12th parade today so thought it might be interesting for those interested to ask some genuine questions. Feel free not to look at the thread though. Thanks


  • #415
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    timthumbni wrote: »
    But yet if they support open acts of terrorism that is tolerated. Those Irish republicans they were supporting had murdered some wee girl in stroke city a short time earlier. Come on now.

    Technically you are wrong here.

    Saoradh, took responsibility for killing Lara McKee but apologised for it, as it was an accidental death, just like the British did on Bloody Sunday and many times since.

    I am not excusing either btw. before you go off on another tangent/deflection.


  • #416
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    cgcsb wrote: »
    They used to fly the South African flag also. Basically where there is apartheid and ethnic supremicism, they'll support it

    Explains the Confederate flag too so. Jesus they're fcuking backwards animals.


  • #417
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Fan of Netflix wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BBCMarkSimpson/status/1149666398253154305

    State of this Blueshirt prick Richmond. His family were in the OO in Cavan not suprised he's loving it. Having a great time while our national flag is burned. He should stay there.

    Neale Richmond is outstanding at being mediocre and being boilerplate Fine Gael. I'm convinced he wasn't conceived but rather grown in a research lab at a secret FG blacksite in Monkstown.

    Watch him slither into Leinster House at the next election despite offering precisely nothing to the Irish public but his rugby clubhouse head and Tintin quiff.


  • #418
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Not at all. But he had responded and quoted my post.

    I actually went to a 12th parade today so thought it might be interesting for those interested to ask some genuine questions. Feel free not to look at the thread though. Thanks
    You haven't answered this one.

    Why did the OO move so far away from what Billy was fighting for? He fought for civil and religious freedom, yet the OO is an exclusively Protestant organisation that sought to keep NI exclusively a Protestant state for Protestant people and managed to do that for decades to the detriment of those of a different faith. Genuine question.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110676163&postcount=399


  • #419
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You haven't answered this one.

    Why did the OO move so far away from what Billy was fighting for? He fought for civil and religious freedom, yet the OO is an exclusively Protestant organisation that sought to keep NI exclusively a Protestant state for Protestant people and managed to do that for decades to the detriment of those of a different faith. Genuine question.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110676163&postcount=399

    Refer to post 371. Nothing more to add.


  • #420
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    My Dutch relative (through my sister's marriage) lives and works in Ballymena - is married to a Ballymena man and has two small children - and has been told several times by locals to "go home" and "you're not welcome here."

    Delightful stuff indeed.

    The irony here is surreal, on a two fronts. Telling a man from an actual Orange country to go home and that he's not welcome... while they themselves could be perceived as, shall we say, visitors


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  • #421
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    timthumbni wrote: »
    But yet if they support open acts of terrorism that is tolerated. Those Irish republicans they were supporting had murdered some wee girl in stroke city a short time earlier. Come on now.

    From what I could see they wanted an end to partition and 32 county state which in itself wouldn’t be a reason to stop the march. Those attending may well have knowledge on that murder but you can’t prove it unless they publicly stated it. People have a right to march but we are not giving them a national
    Holiday to do so.

    Stopping people protesting would lead to a very worrying situation even if you hate what people are marching about.


  • #422
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Refer to post 371. Nothing more to add.

    So you are just here to do a PR job for the OO. I did suspect that alright. Nothing going very well is it? :D


  • #423
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Not at all. But he had responded and quoted my post.

    I actually went to a 12th parade today so thought it might be interesting for those interested to ask some genuine questions. Feel free not to look at the thread though. Thanks

    Odd... Didn't realise a quote required a question..

    Anywho..

    Here's one though, how do you reconcile fun and family day out with KAT?


  • #424
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,992 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Omackeral wrote: »
    The irony here is surreal, on a two fronts. Telling a man from an actual Orange country to go home and that he's not welcome... while they themselves could be perceived as, shall we say, visitors

    A lot of unionists are very insular, and don't like folk moving into their areas.

    There are many cases of immigrants homes being attacked.


  • #425
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Technically you are wrong here.

    Saoradh, took responsibility for killing Lara McKee but apologised for it, as it was an accidental death,

    Yep, accidental, I fired the gun officer and it just happened to accidentally hit the wee girl in the head, all accidentally of course. Nothing to see here, oops..


  • #426
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Omackeral wrote: »
    The irony here is surreal, on a two fronts. Telling a man from an actual Orange country to go home and that he's not welcome... while they themselves could be perceived as, shall we say, visitors

    Well yeah but in reality troglodytes like that exist everywhere.. 'you're not welcome here' is not a phrase exclusive to NI.


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  • #427
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Odd... Didn't realise a quote required a question..

    Anywho..

    Here's one though, how do you reconcile fun and family day out with KAT?

    Never saw anything today with KAT on it to be honest. What are you referring to?


  • #428
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Yep, accidental, I fired the gun officer and it just happened to accidentally hit the wee girl in the head, all accidentally of course. Nothing to see here, oops..

    Tbf even police acknowledged it was a richocet off their van and hit the young girl (hopefully those kids who did it will get sent down for it)



    Unlike soldier f,who gets widespread support to not face a murder charge for shooting an injured man crawling on the ground


  • #429
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,457 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Never saw anything today with KAT on it to be honest. What are you referring to?

    Such a picture of innocence eh!?


  • #430
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    By the way timthumb what’s your view on the head of the orange order sharing platforms with Jamie Bryson about bonfires?


  • #431
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Such a picture of innocence eh!?

    Emm. No. I just never saw anything to do with a slogan KAT. I’m not sure what a slogan sprayed onto a wall would have to do with anything anyway. It’s common in Belfast with Kill All Huns around the river but I haven’t saw it elsewhere.


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  • #432
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    By the way timthumb what’s your view on the head of the orange order sharing platforms with Jamie Bryson about bonfires?

    I have no opinion on that matter tbh. Nor probably should you coming from cork I assume. Why would you even ask that question?


  • #433
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why did the OO move so far away from what Billy was fighting for? He fought for civil and religious freedom, yet the OO is an exclusively Protestant organisation that sought to keep NI exclusively a Protestant state for Protestant people and managed to do that for decades to the detriment of those of a different faith. Genuine question.

    Didn't william of Orange have the then prime minister of the Netherlands eaten alive by a mob of cannibals?


  • #434
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Reason there are not more from catholic community in PSNI despite the massive effort is because Irish republicans whether in the Ira, the new Ira or the i can’t believe it’s not the Ira keep blowing either them up or their legs off. In the case of the Gaelic playing officer he accused members of his own gaa community around toome. Lovely people it seems.

    The main reason is Catholics are better educated and don't see the need to work such a tough job for a pitiful £24k a year.

    Also let's face it, the events of the past few days show that it's a protestant police force for the protestant state


  • #435
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Yep, accidental, I fired the gun officer and it just happened to accidentally hit the wee girl in the head, all accidentally of course. Nothing to see here, oops..

    I think you over estimate the skills here tbh. But go ahead and present your evidence that it was a deliberate targeting of a specific journalist.

    The loon that did it will get done for manslaughter not murder, as there isn't a hop in hell of that charge sticking.


  • #436
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    timthumbni wrote: »
    I have no opinion on that matter tbh. Nor probably should you coming from cork I assume. Why would you even ask that question?

    I think it’s very relevant to the twelth and the orange order connections to loyalist spokespeople. All a bit sinister on a day you like to celebrate.

    What difference does it make what part of this island I am from? Whether you like it or not the south is intrinsically linked to northern affairs.


  • #437
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    The rebuplicans have a future to look forward to. The loyalist can only look back to their "glorious" past.

    Well that's the root of it. There is no future in the Presbyterian faith


  • #438
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,992 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Well that's the root of it. There is no future in the Presbyterian faith

    To be fair, I think the catholic faith is on the way out too in Ireland.

    A lot of 'Catholics' are it in name only.


  • #439
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    timthumbni wrote: »
    But yet if they support open acts of terrorism that is tolerated. Those Irish republicans they were supporting had murdered some wee girl in stroke city a short time earlier. Come on now.

    You keep saying that but it's still irrelevant and a tenuous connection at best


  • #440
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Well that's the root of it. There is no future in the Presbyterian faith

    No future in most religions I would think. Definitely no future in the 21st century for most of unionist beliefs and rights to its citizens.


  • #441
    timthumbni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    cgcsb wrote: »
    The main reason is Catholics are better educated and don't see the need to work such a tough job for a pitiful £24k a year.

    Also let's face it, the events of the past few days show that it's a protestant police force for the protestant state

    What a snob. You should buy a property and then rant boringly on about it at a house party until it busts. Very Irish in the boom type.

    Message for Irish republicans - Stop blowing the legs off Catholic Gaelic playing psni officers. That poor guy saying how none of his gaa club supported him after being blown up was heartbreaking but not surprising at all. And probably elements around him set him up too. Lovely altogether.


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  • #442
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    NIMAN wrote: »
    A lot of unionists are very insular, and don't like folk moving into their areas.

    There are many cases of immigrants homes being attacked.

    It was obvious from the photos today that this has resulted in very poor genetic variance


  • #443
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    No future in most religions I would think. Definitely no future in the 21st century for most of unionist beliefs and rights to its citizens.

    Commonly known as 'being on the wrong side of history' and most recently expressed by Westminster voting to give people modern rights.


  • #444
    _blaaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭_blaaz


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Message for Irish republicans - Stop blowing the legs off Catholic Gaelic playing psni officers. That poor guy saying how none of his gaa club supported him after being blown up was heartbreaking but not surprising at all. And probably elements around him set him up too. Lovely altogether.



    Perhaps you could.outline what this rant has to do with your AMA on orange culture/july 12th experiences?


  • #445
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    NIMAN wrote: »
    To be fair, I think the catholic faith is on the way out too in Ireland.

    A lot of 'Catholics' are it in name only.

    Well that's true but religious background has an influence on culture long after the population has turned to atheism.


  • #446
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    _blaaz wrote: »
    Perhaps you could.outline what this rant has to do with your AMA on orange culture/july 12th experiences?

    Tim's job as PRO for the OO may be under review! :)


  • #447
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    No future in most religions I would think. Definitely no future in the 21st century for most of unionist beliefs and rights to its citizens.

    I don't mean that religious belief is in decline, the belief in pre destination means the future doesn't matter for them and this belief persists regardless of how religious the individuals are


  • #448
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,961 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Well that's true but religious background has an influence on culture long after the population has turned to atheism.

    Our own experience would show you that the tide, once it starts, turns very quickly indeed. Who would have thought 20 years ago that we would massively endorse SSM?


  • #449
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    timthumbni wrote: »
    What a snob. You should buy a property and then rant boringly on about it at a house party until it busts. Very Irish in the boom type.

    Message for Irish republicans - Stop blowing the legs off Catholic Gaelic playing psni officers. That poor guy saying how none of his gaa club supported him after being blown up was heartbreaking but not surprising at all. And probably elements around him set him up too. Lovely altogether.

    But the main reason Catholics aren't joining is because of poor pay and conditions and their better educational attainment allows them to get twice or three times the wages in working in Dublin.


  • #450
    votecounts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭votecounts


    timthumbni wrote: »
    What a snob. You should buy a property and then rant boringly on about it at a house party until it busts. Very Irish in the boom type.

    Message for Irish republicans - Stop blowing the legs off Catholic Gaelic playing psni officers. That poor guy saying how none of his gaa club supported him after being blown up was heartbreaking but not surprising at all. And probably elements around him set him up too. Lovely altogether.
    could you not burn a few tricolors as this is what your lot seem good at. what has your post got to do with the "family day of the 12th"


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  • #451
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,754 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Our own experience would show you that the tide, once it starts, turns very quickly indeed. Who would have thought 20 years ago that we would massively endorse SSM?

    It depends on the particular belief. Were Irish Catholics ever into biblical literalism or anti gay sentiment, I don't think so, but try to talk about low key funerals or cremations to 90% of Irish Catholics, lapsed into atheism or not you'll get your head snapped off


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