The glorious 12th

downcow wrote: »

More urban myth.

roi and Jc in particular were shocked we didn’t just lie down and hand it to you’s. that was the problem. The atmosphere was electric and bb encouraged the fans to up the volume.
And yes I’m sure there was sectarian stuff. But the context was we had played in Dublin and been sustained ira chants etc.
Roi had lobbied fifa to get the game moved to England which was a disgusting trick and if they had succeeded may have meant we wouldn’t have had home games again for years - a dirty action
There were roi fans in our stand and no one interfered with them.
There was one roi fan in the away fans section I remember got up and held a picture of Celtic up to the home fans. He was marched out by the police and He was disciplined by his employer boi following it

It was also it a time of intense violence in ni
But sure why let thrush stand in the way of a true story.

If you were there you should be able to tell us what was so terrible in your view.

Old Jc was very upset at the chants of ‘England b team’

And be careful with untruths as I might have evidence lol

This was written by somebody there. Alan McDonald at least came out of the credit wishing the Irish team well and represent all the island.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/billys-boys-still-cast-long-shadow-226925.html

A shameful night in Belfast but thankfully justice was done in the end.

munsterlegend wrote: »

Read what Trevor Ringland had to say. Rugby thankfully hasn’t been stained by the entrenched northern sectarianism.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/rugby/it-wasnt-the-same-tricolour-as-the-one-wrapped-around-the-ira-which-was-trying-to-kill-people-like-my-father-38390308.html

I can only see the first few lines of what you posted. Here’s Ringland giving you and insight very gently and diplomatically into the sectarianism of the Ireland rugby setup.
So seems you are caught out again.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/gavin-mairs-why-its-time-to-take-a-stand-on-anthems-28061639.html

downcow wrote: »

I can only see the first few lines of what you posted. Here’s Ringland giving you and insight very gently and diplomatically into the sectarianism of the Ireland rugby setup.
So seems you are caught out again.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/gavin-mairs-why-its-time-to-take-a-stand-on-anthems-28061639.html

I dont see any sectarianism there. From what I have read from you link they flew the irfu flag and not a tricolour or union Jack and played irelands call. So a non issue. Totally different from the naked sectarianism of northern Irish soccer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If nothing else I am having a glass of wine and enjoying fully the repeat. Tough luck for Billy's boys!

We couldn’t qualify and had nothing to lose but the pleasure it would have give us to put you’s out of USA.
But hey sure that’s what makes football exciting you don’t win them all

Enjoy your wine and maybe you’ll wake up a new enlightened man

janfebmar wrote: »

Your claimed wife, if she exists, is not a typical "Prod" if she is married to a Republican extremist like you, one who posts morning noon and night 24/7 defending and advancing the SF position, although you claim you have never voted SF. You certainly are in no position to speak about how average "prods" feel: many protestants do not like to be called "prods" and even less vote for SF.

Yeah. There is a prod locally who married a catholic and she was big into her Irish culture and was a champion Irish dancer. She has dropped it all and attends the free Presbyterian church and every OOevent going. I actually think it is very sad that she wasn’t encouraged and enabled to cherish here culture and involve her kids in it. Sounds like same has happened Francie wife only the other way around.

downcow wrote: »

I can only see the first few lines of what you posted. Here’s Ringland giving you and insight very gently and diplomatically into the sectarianism of the Ireland rugby setup.
So seems you are caught out again.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/gavin-mairs-why-its-time-to-take-a-stand-on-anthems-28061639.html

You don't want the British anthem at soccer games but you think it is sectarian not to have it at rugby games?

The British anthem is neither yours nor ours downcow, it is the UK's or Britain's and neither the NI soccer team nor the Irish Rugby team represent the UK, they have their own national teams.
Another debunking of the notion that NI is a 'country'.

munsterlegend wrote: »

Caught out? Ireland’s call is the rugby anthem. Of course you can’t stand a United Ireland team in any sport just like you went silent that 21/28 of athletes up north chose the Irish team. I have never heard anyone not play for Ireland over amhran an bhfiann. Can you name anyone?

You also somehow defend the obvious sectarian bigotry that happened in 1993 in Belfast and pretend it didn’t happen. Greysteel chants? Did they happen?

I will be honest as I always am. I have zero recollection of greysteel chants but I know there was reference to the ira defeat at loughgal and 8-0 banners. Hardly a surprise remember this was a days after the Shankhill bomb and the news had just came out that the roi team listened to ira songs in their team coach

downcow wrote: »

I will be honest as I always am. I have zero recollection of greysteel chants but I know there was reference to the ira defeat at loughgal and 8-0 banners. Hardly a surprise remember this was a days after the Shankhill bomb and the news had just came out that the roi team listened to ira songs in their team coach

The 'ah shure what you would you expect' defence is in to go alongside the 'shure it's just kids' defence.

Up the yard downcow as they say in my parish.

downcow wrote: »

the sectarianism of the Ireland rugby setup

Your unionist privilege is showing and it is embarrassing. Ulster Rugby is, to their credit, trying to attract players from across the community and yet here you are crying that they won't play a song that keeps unionists like you happy.

You don't own NI, it's not your wee country any longer - that shit is over and it's never coming back.

My advice to you is to really do your best to make your nationalist neighbours happy with their lot because the very existence of 'your wee country' is in their hands in the not-too-distant future.

steddyeddy wrote: »

DC you say you have a respect for your community but I don't think that's true. When confronted with rampant sectarianism, murderers venerated and the obsession that the loyalist community have with "hating Irishness" you lack the conviction to defend it. Instead you repeat "well the other side do it too".

Maybe it's time for the community to grow up a bit and take responsibility. The other side are not responsible your actions or the offence that's caused by your blatant sectarianism. Nor is anyone who disagrees with you a "republican".

Imagine you're talking to someone from outside Ireland who sees the 12th of July on TV, the sectarian songs and the presence of serial killers in the Orange Order. They might express distaste for all the above so how would you respond to defend the community you love?

"Well the other side do it too".

Please, please DC if you have any power in your community you need to teach the meaning of responsibility to anyone who will listen. We're all responsible for our actions now. Your community, one of the poorest in Ireland and the UK has stagnated for decades because of this refusal to move on and take responsibility.

SteddyEddy. I amazed at the blinkered attitudes on here. Now it could be that many are relying on Republican propoganda and storytelling to get their news/history.
I have just told you how I have strongly campaigned for change on the anthem played at NI matches, because I love my team and every player, no matter what their background, and it is more important to me that every catholic in our team can have ownership and be emboldened by the anthem than to have some jingoistic win over those that don't like us.
So that contradicts what you are saying above
In contrast every single nationalist posters on here, when confronted with the fact that playing the ROI anthem at home rugby matches is upsetting and offensive to Some Ireland team members, never mind fans, The attitude is basically 'we don't give a sh1t'. Am i reading this wrong?? ....and I haven't even mentioned the fact that when the teams joined there was a promise to play GSTQ when they played in the north which has obviously been broken.
But I am really interested in whether you 'don't give a sh1t' about the feelings of northern players?????

You see the problem with many on here is that they think they are non-sectarian. I have travelled a journey which has lead me to understand that i am sectarian. I work on it to decrease it - but non the less I am sectarian (I can't be anything else growing up here). But here is the key, I am also strongly anti-sectarian ie I am working to end sectarianism. What frustrates me with many of the posters is that they can't even start that work until they recognise their own sectarianism. Believe it or not I challenge the sectarianism in my own community in the same way as I challenge it in the nationalist community - Understandably harder to do in ones own community

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You don't want the British anthem at soccer games but you think it is sectarian not to have it at rugby games?

The British anthem is neither yours nor ours downcow, it is the UK's or Britain's and neither the NI soccer team nor the Irish Rugby team represent the UK, they have their own national teams.
Another debunking of the notion that NI is a 'country'.

Francie you are twisting again.
I want neither SS or GSTQ at rugby games. I think you know that by my approach to NI games

munsterlegend wrote: »

Are you for real? Ira songs? They listened to rebel songs on the way to the match celebrating Irish freedom and that is somehow justification for sectarian bigotry?

Munsterlegend, I would be disgusted if the NI team, or England team for that matter, listened to anti-irish songs on the way to playing ROI. But you can excuse it. Fairly shocking.
I can assure you Billy Bingham wasn't engaging his team in that type of stuff on the way to the game - but sure hes the biggot

RobMc59 wrote: »

I remember Billy Bingham as a manager for the team I follow,Everton who were regarded as a Catholic club back then in the 70s and always thought he was a true gentleman,I'm surprised and sceptical about claims he had sectarian views.

Who said he had sectarian views?

I said he was winding the sectarian chants up that night. Turning to the crowd and urging them to keep it up.

It's history now ...that night. I doubt we here are going to rewrite it.