Seems like a good deal on firewood....

Markcheese · 06-01-2021 11:58pm

Actually ,
Can your wood stove burn too hot ?
The wall above the wood stove is very hot ..
I had the air turned down , but it's been lit since about 1 this afternoon ..

bluestrattos · 07-01-2021 10:17am

Markcheese wrote: »

Actually ,
Can your wood stove burn too hot ?
The wall above the wood stove is very hot ..
I had the air turned down , but it's been lit since about 1 this afternoon ..

were the chimney and stove cleaned recently ?

brandonviewer · 07-01-2021 12:00pm

Markcheese wrote: »

Actually ,
Can your wood stove burn too hot ?
The wall above the wood stove is very hot ..
I had the air turned down , but it's been lit since about 1 this afternoon ..

Head over to the home & garden plumbing forum. There is a stoves question and answer thread and about 3 pages back ( around 379) this is discussed. You may or may not have a problem

razorronan · 07-01-2021 1:48pm

Got these 3 1.5m x 1m bags full of hardwood from O'Keefes in Lismore Co. Waterford today for €450.

bailey99 · 07-01-2021 3:14pm

Smthg wrong with that pic? All greyed out?

jamesd · 07-01-2021 3:18pm

bailey99 wrote: »

Smthg wrong with that pic? All greyed out?

Nope its all good for me.

Bogwoppit · 07-01-2021 3:56pm

razorronan wrote: »

Got these 3 1.5m x 1m bags full of hardwood from O'Keefes in Lismore Co. Waterford today for €450.

Most of them aren’t even split!!

Seriously, if you’re burning timber in any fire, stove or open, it should definitely be split. Timber that is not split will take years to dry properly, wet timber is bad bad bad. You are wasting heat by boiling off the water in the timber and throwing money away.

Wheety · 07-01-2021 6:13pm

Monahans are recommended yeah? I'm in Dublin, thinking of ordering 2 of the 80x80 bags of oak. The crates are out of stock online.

Also, we have room to store the wood in a detached garage/shed. Is there a good log store so they can be stored off the ground? Is it ok to store it indoors if it's already kiln dried?

tnegun · 07-01-2021 6:39pm

Can vouch for Monahans have gotten 2 loads from them and they were good quality, price and delivery. I tried someone new last week and the delivery arrived today it's been a disaster. Ordered a large crate of oak and got two small stacked of ash. Herself signed for it so by the time I saw it, it was too late. Now they're arguing that its the same volume of timber. Its simply not as theres two pallets, even stacked it short on height vs advertised and both aren't uniformly full so have lost out there too!! Anyone know what the stacked to loose ratio is 1.6? seems to be the average.

vicwatson · 07-01-2021 7:17pm

Wheety wrote: »

Monahans are recommended yeah? I'm in Dublin, thinking of ordering 2 of the 80x80 bags of oak. The crates are out of stock online.

Also, we have room to store the wood in a detached garage/shed. Is there a good log store so they can be stored off the ground? Is it ok to store it indoors if it's already kiln dried?

It should be stored indoors if kiln dried

Muahahaha · 07-01-2021 7:32pm

tnegun wrote: »

Can vouch for Monahans have gotten 2 loads from them and they were good quality, price and delivery. I tried someone new last week and the delivery arrived today it's been a disaster. Ordered a large crate of oak and got two small stacked of ash. Herself signed for it so by the time I saw it, it was too late. Now they're arguing that its the same volume of timber. Its simply not as theres two pallets, even stacked it short on height vs advertised and both aren't uniformly full so have lost out there too!! Anyone know what the stacked to loose ratio is 1.6? seems to be the average.

Theres a comparison guide here for loose v stacked
https://surefirewood.ie/pages/comparison-guide

Can you let us know what company sent that out to you. pretty shoddy service to send what wasnt ordered and then for it to be less than the volume ordered too.

tabby aspreme · 07-01-2021 8:23pm

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Most of them aren’t even split!!

Seriously, if you’re burning timber in any fire, stove or open, it should definitely be split. Timber that is not split will take years to dry properly, wet timber is bad bad bad. You are wasting heat by boiling off the water in the timber and throwing money away.

Once logs are cut into short lengths, it will lose moisture quickly, through the end grain, there is no need to split small diameter logs.

What type of timber is it, it looks like Birch or Alder

flipflophead22 · 07-01-2021 8:52pm

Anyone know of any deals in co.clare?

tnegun · 07-01-2021 9:44pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Theres a comparison guide here for loose v stacked
https://surefirewood.ie/pages/comparison-guide

Can you let us know what company sent that out to you. pretty shoddy service to send what wasnt ordered and then for it to be less than the volume ordered too.

I don't want to to give them the google hits it was buy firewood direct dot ie, they were recommended by a friend and had good reviews for the UK operation.

I bought the large crate of oak for €295. Its advertised as 1.6x.1.18x0.88 so 1.66m3. What was delivered was 2x 0.65x 1.10x 0.80 crates of ash so 1.14m3 (1.4m3 incl the pallets). The pallets also aren't filled uniformly to .80 I'd say 50% is the rest is about .76 due to the shapes of the logs. If it was a single large create I'd accept the pallet and uneven level at the top but x2 and the wrong wood is too much.

I called them and first they said the weight was the same and pointed out it was the volume I was interested in. They didn't like this and wanted to convert to loose volume?? Probably as I'd said bags we available locally for €100. Anyway they persisted and said I'd gotten more than I paid for but would offer a €6 refund!!! Now they won't refund until they inspect it and collect next week sometime.

What do ye think should I stick to my guns and get them to take it away? The loose volume of what I got it 3.5-4 8x8x8 bags so not terrible value I think?

tabby aspreme · 07-01-2021 9:59pm

Oak would weigh more than ash / cu3, so don't take the, you got the same weight argument from them

Bogwoppit · 07-01-2021 10:16pm

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Once logs are cut into short lengths, it will lose moisture quickly, through the end grain, there is no need to split small diameter logs.

What type of timber is it, it looks like Birch or Alder

Some of the logs in the pic are way too big to be left not split.
Looks like a mix of beech and maybe some alder.

Muahahaha · 07-01-2021 11:25pm

tnegun wrote: »

I don't want to to give them the google hits it was buy firewood direct dot ie, they were recommended by a friend and had good reviews for the UK operation.

I bought the large crate of oak for €295. Its advertised as 1.6x.1.18x0.88 so 1.66m3. What was delivered was 2x 0.65x 1.10x 0.80 crates of ash so 1.14m3 (1.4m3 incl the pallets). The pallets also aren't filled uniformly to .80 I'd say 50% is the rest is about .76 due to the shapes of the logs. If it was a single large create I'd accept the pallet and uneven level at the top but x2 and the wrong wood is too much.

I called them and first they said the weight was the same and pointed out it was the volume I was interested in. They didn't like this and wanted to convert to loose volume?? Probably as I'd said bags we available locally for €100. Anyway they persisted and said I'd gotten more than I paid for but would offer a €6 refund!!! Now they won't refund until they inspect it and collect next week sometime.

What do ye think should I stick to my guns and get them to take it away? The loose volume of what I got it 3.5-4 8x8x8 bags so not terrible value I think?

So what you paid for was 1.66m3 of oak but what you actually received was 1.14m3 of ash and even then the crates were not full to the top. You've been short changed by about 30% there. Feck that I would be asking them to make up the short fall and failing that sending it back. Whatever about the oak to ash switcheroo not supplying the quantity of logs that you paid for is outright shady practice.

I had a look at their website and it talks of a "Money Back Guaranty" on orders. The fact they cant spell guarantee correctly on their site would immediately have had me thinking the worst.

tnegun · 08-01-2021 12:52am

Yeah its shady alright, looking around even short changed the price is about average for kiln dried hardwood. I'll push them again tomorrow and see will they offer an acceptable refund. I just saw red when he said €6 and were doing me a deal as it should be costing me more!

Muahahaha · 08-01-2021 2:18am

Yeah Id stand your ground on the volumetric calculation and dont listen to any waffle out of them about weight. If the quality of the wood is satisfactory then your best bet might be to get them to send out another 0.4m3 of logs to make up the shortfall. Because in theory as it was signed for that was the opportunity to send it back. Bear in mind companies may still charge you a delivery fee of 40 or 50 euro if it has to go back after the event so as long as the quality is decent you might be better off just ensuring you get what you've paid for.

razorronan · 09-01-2021 1:42pm

razorronan wrote: »

Got these 3 1.5m x 1m bags full of hardwood from O'Keefes in Lismore Co. Waterford today for €450.

Not sure exactly what type of wood they are, but all Hardwood. The vast majority of logs are 10-12cm in Diameter so not too big that they needed splitting. Used my moisture meeting and getting a reading of between 18-20% (They were out in the snow for most of the day before I could load up in the shed so might be slightly higher. Will measure again in a weeks time).

cormie · 09-01-2021 10:56pm

Folks, any input on burning scrap wood at all? I'm talking scrap ply and the likes. Is it a no go because the layers would have been glued together and this makes it unsafe (for the air in the room, or for the chimney soot build up) or not environmentally friendly?

wersal gummage · 10-01-2021 3:45pm

Anyone any suggestions on making or buying a cheap log storage for a shed / garage? I don't need a roof on it, in fact I'd prefer a reasonably sturdy flat top that I could then use to place other things on like a shelf....

Am thinking ill have to make myself with some plywood?

vicwatson · 10-01-2021 4:15pm

cormie wrote: »

Folks, any input on burning scrap wood at all? I'm talking scrap ply and the likes. Is it a no go because the layers would have been glued together and this makes it unsafe (for the air in the room, or for the chimney soot build up) or not environmentally friendly?

I wouldn’t burn it for fear of build up in the flue

Supercell · 10-01-2021 4:26pm

cormie wrote: »

Folks, any input on burning scrap wood at all? I'm talking scrap ply and the likes. Is it a no go because the layers would have been glued together and this makes it unsafe (for the air in the room, or for the chimney soot build up) or not environmentally friendly?

Apart from the damage you are going to do to your flue, more importantly the fumes will be carcinogenic and poisonous, same goes for chipboard unfortunately.

Firblog · 11-01-2021 9:45pm

wersal gummage wrote: »

Anyone any suggestions on making or buying a cheap log storage for a shed / garage? I don't need a roof on it, in fact I'd prefer a reasonably sturdy flat top that I could then use to place other things on like a shelf....

Am thinking ill have to make myself with some plywood?

Made one recently, 2 pallets on the base & one either side. used bits of an old shed for the back & roof, and the 2 shed half doors for the front. Cut two 2 X 3 lengths of wood to go across the top - screwed into the 2 side pallets to give strength to the sides; working fine so far

If you are putting it inside then you wouldn't need back or roof, or could use 2 more pallets to put on top?

joujoujou · 16-01-2021 12:14pm

Looks like Monahans have all of their hardwood out of stock ATM.

Any other similar in terms of value per m^3 available for delivery to East Mayo/NW Roscommon?

Surefirewood have stock, but I treat them as a last resort. Mostly because they sell mixed hardwood in their loosely packed bags.

BorneTobyWilde · 16-01-2021 2:12pm

What is story with firewood from UK now ?

deisedav · 17-01-2021 1:14am

joujoujou wrote: »

Looks like Monahans have all of their hardwood out of stock ATM.

Any other similar in terms of value per m^3 available for delivery to East Mayo/NW Roscommon?

Surefirewood have stock, but I treat them as a last resort. Mostly because they sell mixed hardwood in their loosely packed bags.

Don't be so afraid. They sell pallets that come in small bags too which is handy for carrying to the shed. Great quality

2forjoy · 17-01-2021 1:51am

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

What is story with firewood from UK now ?

Shortage of timber worldwide
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-resources/sawmills-import-100-truckloads-of-timber-from-europe-to-combat-shortages-1.4373823%3fmode=amp

vicwatson · 17-01-2021 9:12am

2forjoy wrote: »

Shortage of timber worldwide
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-resources/sawmills-import-100-truckloads-of-timber-from-europe-to-combat-shortages-1.4373823%3fmode=amp

Firewood though?

2forjoy · 17-01-2021 2:39pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Firewood though?

Not in the news, but there are some factories in Eastern Europe fully closed due to Covid.
These factories are the main suppliers to Monaghan's and others

bailey99 · 21-01-2021 12:31am

john_doe. wrote: »

Was wondering are these any good and which is the best value. All kiln dried and in Cork.

€199
Hand Stacked Ash Hardwood. Comes In A Crate. 450kg. Crate dimensions: 1.2M (H) x 1.15M (W) x 0.85M (D)

€199
Premium Oak Log 25cm Crate 1m (430KG)
Pallet Dimensions, 110 x 80 x 100cm. Pallet size 0.97 m. Volume of Firewood 0.80m

€199
Kiln Dried Beech Logs 430kg.Pallet Dimensions, 110 x 80 x 100cm. Pallet size 0.97M. Volume of Firewood 0.80M

€220
1.2 Cubic Metre Crate of Kiln Dried Birch Firewood Logs. H 49" x B 34" x W 46"

€230
1.2 Cubic Metre Crate of Kiln Dried Ash Firewood Logs. H 49" x B 34" x W 46"

€230
1.2 Cubic Metre Crate of Kiln Dried Oak Firewood Logs. H 49" x B 34" x W 46"

Can I ask where did you get these prices please? I'm.in cork and have enough logs til maybe end if February. I normally but two crates around march and leave them in the shed and dry away out until I go back lighting the stove in November.

Muahahaha · 21-01-2021 2:49pm

Im not sure which website those prices are from but in the Cork area Coughlans has been mentioned on this thread before as a good supplier. If you read back up the thread or do a search you'll find posts about them. From memory a poster here OmegaGene got 1.2m3 of kiln dried oak for 230 euro which is a decent price and he was happy with the quality of them.

limnam · 21-01-2021 2:57pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Im not sure which website those prices are from but in the Cork area Coughlans has been mentioned on this thread before as a good supplier. If you read back up the thread or do a search you'll find posts about them. From memory a poster here OmegaGene got 1.2m3 of kiln dried oak for 230 euro which is a decent price and he was happy with the quality of them.

I got a few crates from them too. Happy with them and the service.

Billydoc · 21-01-2021 9:22pm

A company near me offered me 1.2 cubic metre crate of kiln dry ash from Sweden. For €190. He states low ash abs moisture below 12%.

Is that reasonable?

bailey99 · 22-01-2021 1:34am

Is this 1.2 cubic metres crate size or wood content?

On the crates there 3 or four inches lost on the bottom and maybe 1.5 to 2inches off the width and depth.

I try to judge each supplier by crate dimensions as they are all the same.

Muahahaha · 22-01-2021 1:39am

Billydoc wrote: »

A company near me offered me 1.2 cubic metre crate of kiln dry ash from Sweden. For €190. He states low ash abs moisture below 12%.

Is that reasonable?

If that price includes delivery to your house and its 12% moisture then its very reasonable. Normal prices for a 1.2m3 crate of ash or oak would be 220-250. He's probably trying to clear stock so is discounting it.

If you get an order in you might share the company name so others here can benefit if they need a top up before winter is over.

Muahahaha · 22-01-2021 1:46am

bailey99 wrote: »

Is this 1.2 cubic metres crate size or wood content?

On the crates there 3 or four inches lost on the bottom and maybe 1.5 to 2inches off the width and depth.

I try to judge each supplier by crate dimensions as they are all the same.

The 1.2m3 refers to crate size. You are correct to say with the inches lost on the sides and on the bottom it means the volume of wood is less than 1.2m3.

That said I have yet to see any company sell it by the internal dimension of the crate, they all seem to go by the external measurements. I still have a crate out the back and will measure it internally before I break it down just out of interest to find out the actual internal volume.

Cloudio9 · 22-01-2021 7:05am

Just ordered my second Beech 1.2m pallet of the winter from tj omahony. €210 delivered. https://tjomahony.ie/88beech450-1.html

longvacation · 22-01-2021 7:19am

How long is 1.2m2 hardwood lasting based on a nightly 5 hour fire?

Muahahaha · 22-01-2021 9:33am

This is just a rough estimate but I would say if burning 7 nights a week 1.2m would last you about a month, maybe very slightly longer. If you're burning that much it makes sense to buy in the biggest bulk you can to save money, i.e. trailer loads rather than crates. Of course that means you need a lot of storage. But just consider that around 30-40 euro of every crate is a delivery cost inside it so it makes sense to have just one big delivery rather than paying multiple times by buying multiple crates. If you were buying 3, 4 or even 5 1.2m3 crates in one go make sure to haggle on the total price, I would try to get about 15% off the total. Shop around.

Billydoc · 22-01-2021 10:56am

Muahahaha wrote: »

If that price includes delivery to your house and its 12% moisture then its very reasonable. Normal prices for a 1.2m3 crate of ash or oak would be 220-250. He's probably trying to clear stock so is discounting it.

If you get an order in you might share the company name so others here can benefit if they need a top up before winter is over.

Aye, I presume it’s delivered to me. He only lives a few miles over the road. He’s only started selling wood recently. I could ask him for delivery prices to anywhere else if people are interested.

vicwatson · 22-01-2021 3:11pm

Billydoc wrote: »

Aye, I presume it’s delivered to me. He only lives a few miles over the road. He’s only started selling wood recently. I could ask him for delivery prices to anywhere else if people are interested.

Yeh, maybe he can ship countrywide?

stevek93 · 22-01-2021 5:31pm

My 2.3m3 of oak I ordered in the middle of November is gone I didn't realise how quickly you can go through logs :eek:

brandonviewer · 22-01-2021 6:46pm

stevek93 wrote: »

My 2.3m3 of oak I ordered in the middle of November is gone I didn't realise how quickly you can go through logs :eek:

Stove or open fire??

tnegun · 22-01-2021 7:36pm

I've found that the advertised external dimensions of the crates vs the internal can be significant e.g. I was recently stung with as it was sold as 0.8(h)x1.18(w)x0.88(d) so .83m3 including the pallet and crate but measuring 0.65(h)x 1.10(w)x 0.80(d) is .57m3 internally almost 40% less. So you may believe it was 2.3m3 but its a lot less in reality.

stevek93 · 22-01-2021 10:55pm

brandonviewer wrote: »

Stove or open fire??

Stove.

2forjoy · 23-01-2021 1:10am

https://www.bolgersagri.ie/collections/heating-plumbing/products/kiln-dried-hardwood-logs-350l-crate

This place is near Rosslare so I could get collected.
Would it be value for money ?

webels · 23-01-2021 1:46am

2forjoy wrote: »

https://www.bolgersagri.ie/collections/heating-plumbing/products/kiln-dried-hardwood-logs-350l-crate

This place is near Rosslare so I could get collected.
Would it be value for money ?

Alder lights real easy, gives good heat but burns quickly. Mixed with other woods it's great in a stove.
I grow and use it myself and find it good in a mix.
Is the above good value. Not so sure. It's split very small so burning on its own it will burn too fast.
There's probably better value out there.

DavyD_83 · 29-01-2021 9:05pm

Billydoc wrote: »

Aye, I presume it’s delivered to me. He only lives a few miles over the road. He’s only started selling wood recently. I could ask him for delivery prices to anywhere else if people are interested.

Off be interested if he's delivering to Dublin. Not sure where you are yourself

Seems like a good deal on firewood....

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