Changes in the GAA - super thread

zetecescort · 08-08-2018 9:53pm

Need to punish cynical fouls in hurling. No excuse for the Galway players reaction but he was almost rugby tackled just to stop Galways attack and a possible goal chance

Bass Reeves · 08-08-2018 10:02pm

intellectual dosser wrote: »

How can you make it better by making changes to the rules?

Some of the suggestions in this thread; restricting the number of players in a zone, restricting the direction a ball can be passed - or can be passed a number of times, the number of points for a score from a particular distance. Just imagine sitting in the stand watching that? Now THAT would be unwatchable. That is assuming it works, most of this GAA forum content is posters bemoaning referees and their ability to implement rules as they are.

It should always come down to the players, I don't see anyone talking about how they find the modern gam? Making them adopt new rules so that the pundits are happier is just wrong.

How do you mean it should come down to players

intellectual dosser · 09-08-2018 10:22am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

How do you mean it should come down to players

What they think, what they want.

Niles Crane · 12-08-2018 9:40pm

http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/11470746/watch-what-rule-changes-should-be-made-in-gaelic-football

The Sky Sports GAA panel discuss what rules should be changed in Gaelic football to make it a better spectacle.

There's no doubt that hurling has stolen the show so far this summer. The small ball has served up classic after classic, as the Irish sporting public have been enthralled by high-scoring affairs.

The same can't be said for Gaelic football to the same degree, as some of the major championship games have flattered to deceive.

The GAA have tinkered with the sport in recent years to make the game a more attractive prospect, with some degree of success. The introduction of the black card and the mark have had largely positive impacts.

Now focus turns to what else can be done to make Gaelic football a more enticing sport.

Senan Connell, Jim McGuinness, Peter Canavan and Billy Joe Padden joined Brian Carney on the GAA Debate Show to give their views.

Peter Canavan suggested that in order to prevent opposition players delaying a free being taking, there should be a 50-yard penalty rather than merely moving the ball up 13 yards. The former Tyrone All-Ireland winner said: "If that simple rule was brought into Gaelic football, it would speed it up and it would penalise negative play."

Jim McGuinness suggested that the sport adopts a 'back-court' rule akin to basketball.

McGuinness feels you shouldn't be able to return to your own half with the ball
"When you go into the opposition 65, I don't think you should be allowed back out again. It would give teams, from a defensive point of view, a chance to press out and get aggressive pressure on the ball.

"To keep continuity in the game, I think that's a rule that would be easily implemented and would make sense."

Senan Connell said that teams ought to be encouraged to press forward by backwards passes inside your own half being outlawed. The rule is implemented in the Kilmacud Crokes Sevens tournament each year.

Billy Joe Padden wants an 'attacking mark' for forwards inside the 45 when balls are kicked in from outside that area.

"What I really want to see is exciting football. I think the most exciting elements of Gaelic football are good long kicks into the edge of the square where a forward goes up and catches it cleanly. It's a skill we don't see often enough in the game.

"I think that would ask totally different questions of defences. A swarm defence wouldn't really work if a forward is good enough to go up there and catch that ball.

"It would bring back more kicking and catching and that's really what I want to see."

Some interesting suggestions I think.

I think the backcourt rule McGuinness suggested should be introduced.

theoneeyedman · 12-08-2018 9:55pm

Niles Crane wrote: »

http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/11470746/watch-what-rule-changes-should-be-made-in-gaelic-football

Some interesting suggestions I think.

I think the backcourt rule McGuinness suggested should be introduced.

That 50 meter rule for the likes of kicking the ball away or slowing up a free is something I mentioned a couple of years ago here. It is in the Australian Rules Afl for the last few years, and has cut down on this type of BS to no end.

Niles Crane · 13-08-2018 10:15am

The problem is that the GAA can easily say it's Dublin dominance which is killing interest (which is partly true) and put off making any rule changes (which are desperately needed). It wouldn't matter whether the era is competitive or not even the competitive games have no spark to them anymore because of the ****e football most teams play.

Bass Reeves · 13-08-2018 10:34am

Niles Crane wrote: »

http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/11470746/watch-what-rule-changes-should-be-made-in-gaelic-football

Some interesting suggestions I think.

I think the backcourt rule McGuinness suggested should be introduced.

A back court rule would make the game more defensive again. It would encourage blanket defences to turn over the ball it aws interesting taht Jim McGuiness suggested it. Two of the suggestions Peter Canavans on 50 metres interfering witha free kick and Billy Joe Paddens for an attacking mark inside the opponents 45 would help attacking play. Backward pass inside your own half might encourage forwardas to stay up after losing the ball but we do not want to turn the game into a series of turnovers.

Niles Crane · 13-08-2018 10:45am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

A back court rule would make the game more defensive again. It would encourage blanket defences to turn over the ball it aws interesting taht Jim McGuiness suggested it. Two of the suggestions Peter Canavans on 50 metres interfering witha free kick and Billy Joe Paddens for an attacking mark inside the opponents 45 would help attacking play. Backward pass inside your own half might encourage forwardas to stay up after losing the ball but we do not want to turn the game into a series of turnovers.

The backwards pass thing would cut out the keep ball nonsense which has affected the game in recent years, it would encourage teams to push up and take away the idea of passing it backwards over and over again as a way of maintaining possession.

The metre free thing is common sense and should be brought in immediately as it would be easy to implement, and I like the offensive mark suggestion by Billy Joe Padden.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2018 6:37pm

If Dublin as expected win a four in a row could this legendary teams kill Dublin as we know it?
They are so far ahead it is not inconceivable to say they could get five or six AI's in a row?

Surely by being so dominate in leinster ( where they could win it with a third team) this success is making it inevitable.
Part of me is torn and wishes that Dublin slow down a bit maybe one every second year?
Otherwise the GAA will be seriously looking at the partition of Dublin GAA.

I am not sure Ulster GAA counties would support the partition of Dublin but it is likley the others will?

OldMrBrennan83 · 13-08-2018 6:39pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If Dublin as expected win a four in a row could this legendary teams kill Dublin as we know it?
They are so far ahead it is not inconceivable to say they could get five or six AI's in a row?

Surely by being so dominate in leinster ( where they could win it with a third team) this success is making it inevitable.
Part of me is torn and wishes that Dublin slow down a bit maybe one every second year?
Otherwise the GAA will be seriously looking at the partition of Dublin GAA.

I am not sure Ulster GAA counties would support the partition of Dublin but it is likley the others will?

That has been well covered, you'll never get anyone to change their opinion on it.

Fann Linn · 13-08-2018 6:42pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

If Dublin as expected win a four in a row could this legendary teams kill Dublin as we know it?
They are so far ahead it is not inconceivable to say they could get five or six AI's in a row?

Surely by being so dominate in leinster ( where they could win it with a third team) this success is making it inevitable.
Part of me is torn and wishes that Dublin slow down a bit maybe one every second year?
Otherwise the GAA will be seriously looking at the partition of Dublin GAA.

I am not sure Ulster GAA counties would support the partition of Dublin but it is likley the others will?

I think if other counties were seriously looking to 'handicap' Dublin they could begin in Leinster by demanding their home games, a la Kildare. As it stands they appear to be au fait with the current set up, even though they could and would have the numbers to force change.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2018 7:39pm

Patww79 wrote: »

That has been well covered, you'll never get anyone to change their opinion on it.

What I mean is Dublin's unprecedented success is making it seem more likely that it will happen sooner then later.
Because the championship is endanger of dying otherwise.
There has only been about three decent games of football in this years championship.

OldMrBrennan83 · 13-08-2018 7:50pm

Would only be a first step before starting to amalgamate smaller counties into one. There is no step 3 for me because that's where I stop any involvement of any form.

Trampas · 13-08-2018 8:01pm

Jim I believe he said maybe only 11 players in own half. Nearly feel off my seat in laughter at the one Jim 15 men behind the ball mc Guinness.

Basically it was a rule change to stop the play the Dubs do.

I thought the mark and stopping play weren’t bad ideas.

gormdubhgorm · 13-08-2018 8:20pm

Trampas wrote: »

Jim I believe he said maybe only 11 players in own half. Nearly feel off my seat in laughter at the one Jim 15 men behind the ball mc Guinness.

Basically it was a rule change to stop the play the Dubs do.

I thought the mark and stopping play weren’t bad ideas.

The rule about the keeper having to kick the ball past the 20 metre line was brought in to curb cluxton and that did not work either.
He just adapted!

Niles Crane · 14-08-2018 5:50am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The rule about the keeper having to kick the ball past the 20 metre line was brought in to curb cluxton and that did not work either.
He just adapted!

It wasn't brought in to curb Cluxton it was brought in to stop these nonsense 5 yard kickouts followed by a strong of 20 handpasses before the ball gets close to the other end of the field, almost every team had their keeper kick the ball 5 yards out and follow with loads of handpassing.

The paranoia from Dublin fans is pathetic, rule changes are being suggested to improve the game not to stop Dublin.There are much bigger issues affecting the sport than Dublin being dominant.

Niles Crane · 14-08-2018 5:52am

Trampas wrote: »

Jim I believe he said maybe only 11 players in own half. Nearly feel off my seat in laughter at the one Jim 15 men behind the ball mc Guinness.

Basically it was a rule change to stop the play the Dubs do.

I thought the mark and stopping play weren’t bad ideas.

But he's the perfect person to be making this suggestion because even he can accept that the blanket defence is not necessarily good for the sport despite him being successful because of it.

Thats the sort of open mindedness which is needed not people just wanting to maintain rules because they help themselves be successful.

shockframe · 14-08-2018 9:48pm

For the talk of changes since the weekend. I would say its a bit over the top. The 2018 semi finals were not exactly up there with the best but they were far from the worst either.

Hurling has taken the gloss off the Football championship this year but it's easy to forget over the last 10 years that Hurling had some utterly forgettable championships also. 2010, 2015 and 2016 for instance. It just so happens that a few shrewd managerial appointments has brought about a positive show from many counties this season.

KIlkenny not being what they once were has opened things up a lot. Should Limerick win its 4 different winners in 4 years (same as Kerrys 78-81 4 in a row oddly). This would be the first since 1998-2001.

Football is in the situation Hurling found itself around 2007-09.One team way ahead of the rest and struggling for a challenger.

I believe Football will return to a competitive scene in the next 2-3 years. There is potential there in Kerry, Kildare, Galway and Tyrone. A lot could depend on a Dublin decline. With 5 defenders approaching 30+ and Cluxton in his late 30s they have a lot of replacements to make in the years ahead and that will be a huge ask of them to keep winning, Almost all the players from 1-7 have been involved since 2013 and many since the start of the golden era. It won't be easy for them.

Niles Crane · 14-08-2018 10:21pm

shockframe wrote: »

For the talk of changes since the weekend. I would say its a bit over the top. The 2018 semi finals were not exactly up there with the best but they were far from the worst either.

Hurling has taken the gloss off the Football championship this year but it's easy to forget over the last 10 years that Hurling had some utterly forgettable championships also. 2010, 2015 and 2016 for instance. It just so happens that a few shrewd managerial appointments has brought about a positive show from many counties this season.

KIlkenny not being what they once were has opened things up a lot. Should Limerick win its 4 different winners in 4 years (same as Kerrys 78-81 4 in a row oddly). This would be the first since 1998-2001.

Football is in the situation Hurling found itself around 2007-09.One team way ahead of the rest and struggling for a challenger.

I believe Football will return to a competitive scene in the next 2-3 years. There is potential there in Kerry, Kildare, Galway and Tyrone. A lot could depend on a Dublin decline. With 5 defenders approaching 30+ and Cluxton in his late 30s they have a lot of replacements to make in the years ahead and that will be a huge ask of them to keep winning, Almost all the players from 1-7 have been involved since 2013 and many since the start of the golden era. It won't be easy for them.

I don't think lack of competition is the problem, the games between evenly matched teams are far too often poor also.

The game should definitely be more entertaining than it is at the moment.

threeball · 14-08-2018 11:52pm

Niles Crane wrote: »

I don't think lack of competition is the problem, the games between evenly matched teams are far too often poor also.

The game should definitely be more entertaining than it is at the moment.

Exactly, the game as a spectacle is at a low ebb. I think it stems from the weaker teams spending their time working on a system to stop the top teams, which is almost impossible given the gap in resources, but it results in months of perfecting a system to compete with 2 or 3 teams which makes all the other games they play look like dogsh1t.

Its inevitable at some stage that Dublin will be split. There is no scenario where one county with such huge populations resources will be allowed to grow and grow. Where do you draw the line. When the population surpasses 1.5m, 2m etc. ? The game will be dead long before any of that anyway unless measures are taken. If we get 3 more years similar to this no one will be watching. The GAA will act very quickly once the bottom line starts suffering. It seems to be the only thing the top brass understand.

shockframe · 15-08-2018 12:03am

threeball wrote: »

Exactly, the game as a spectacle is at a low ebb. I think it stems from the weaker teams spending their time working on a system to stop the top teams, which is almost impossible given the gap in resources, but it results in months of perfecting a system to compete with 2 or 3 teams which makes all the other games they play look like dogsh1t.

Its inevitable at some stage that Dublin will be split. There is no scenario where one county with such huge populations resources will be allowed to grow and grow. Where do you draw the line. When the population surpasses 1.5m, 2m etc. ? The game will be dead long before any of that anyway unless measures are taken. If we get 3 more years similar to this no one will be watching. The GAA will act very quickly once the bottom line starts suffering. It seems to be the only thing the top brass understand.

Sorry but I cant agree with that.

The game is the bedrock of so many communities across Ireland. We get 3 years like this and the sky wont fall in.

If SPL or La Liga can survive with only 2 teams being successul I'm sure the GAA will get by.

threeball · 15-08-2018 12:06am

shockframe wrote: »

Sorry but I cant agree with that.

The game is the bedrock of so many communities across Ireland. We get 3 years like this and the sky wont fall in.

If SPL or La Liga can survive with only 2 teams being successul I'm sure the GAA will get by.

I'm not talking about club but no one will be watching inter county. Its already in decline, in a big way. Ignoring that is head in the sand stuff.

shockframe · 15-08-2018 12:12am

threeball wrote: »

I'm not talking about club but no one will be watching inter county. Its already in decline, in a big way. Ignoring that is head in the sand stuff.

No one watching inter county? Sorry but there's 2 chances of that happening.

lawred2 · 15-08-2018 9:24am

shockframe wrote: »

No one watching inter county? Sorry but there's 2 chances of that happening.

I'd expect viewing figures for this final will probably be the lowest in many years..

shockframe · 15-08-2018 9:47am

lawred2 wrote: »

I'd expect viewing figures for this final will probably be the lowest in many years..

Maybe so but they have been fairly high the last few years. Last years final the most watched sporting event of 2017. 1 year where interest falls is manageable.

Hurling had some mediocre semi final attendances throughout the last 10 years and it has survived.

Interest is affected by Dublins dominance but it wont last forever (yes financial doping, populations, croke park, professionals v amateurs blah blah blah).

Football has been the dominant sporting game in the Republic for 130 years. It ain't going anywhere.

Niles Crane · 15-08-2018 11:32am

shockframe wrote: »

Maybe so but they have been fairly high the last few years. Last years final the most watched sporting event of 2017. 1 year where interest falls is manageable.

Hurling had some mediocre semi final attendances throughout the last 10 years and it has survived.

Interest is affected by Dublins dominance but it wont last forever (yes financial doping, populations, croke park, professionals v amateurs blah blah blah).

Football has been the dominant sporting game in the Republic for 130 years. It ain't going anywhere.

It will never disappear at grassroots level which is the most important thing but I think intercounty football is gradually losing it's appeal both to players and fans.

harpsman · 15-08-2018 12:55pm

Niles Crane wrote: »

http://www.skysports.com/gaa/gaelic-football/news/30543/11470746/watch-what-rule-changes-should-be-made-in-gaelic-football

Some interesting suggestions I think.

I think the backcourt rule McGuinness suggested should be introduced.

But that would reward ultra defensive teams by making it more difficult to break them down. The big problem in football is 14-15 men inside their own defensive third of the field so stopping this would go along way to solving the other problems. The easiest and most effective imo way to change this is a 4 player in the offensive half at all times rule. That would increase the amount of kicking, and speed up the game.

harpsman · 15-08-2018 1:07pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

A back court rule would make the game more defensive again. It would encourage blanket defences to turn over the ball it aws interesting taht Jim McGuiness suggested it. Two of the suggestions Peter Canavans on 50 metres interfering witha free kick and Billy Joe Paddens for an attacking mark inside the opponents 45 would help attacking play. Backward pass inside your own half might encourage forwardas to stay up after losing the ball but we do not want to turn the game into a series of turnovers.

Thought it ironic that jim wants to punish defensive play and peter wants to punish cynical play-i was waiting for billy joe to suggest punishing teams who keep finding new ways to blow the all-ireland

shockframe · 15-08-2018 5:36pm

Niles Crane wrote: »

It will never disappear at grassroots level which is the most important thing but I think intercounty football is gradually losing it's appeal both to players and fans.

I would dare say the same thing was said at the time when Kerry did the 4 in a row in the early 80s.

Even if things started to open up the media would still moan and moan and moan about something.

I hear all the time from people complaining about football about how they have lost interest and are sick of watching it. It's not uncommon to meet the same people at football matches after.

Same with the likes of Spillane, Carr and Brolly. Forever giving about the modern game compared to their day like 3 Feech La Manna types but still there at all the games. Taking in the media gigs and showing up on tv. Brolly even went to New York for the opening game.

Talk is cheap when it comes to the people who knock it.

charolais0153 · 15-08-2018 5:41pm

shockframe wrote: »

For the talk of changes since the weekend. I would say its a bit over the top. The 2018 semi finals were not exactly up there with the best but they were far from the worst either.

Hurling has taken the gloss off the Football championship this year but it's easy to forget over the last 10 years that Hurling had some utterly forgettable championships also. 2010, 2015 and 2016 for instance. It just so happens that a few shrewd managerial appointments has brought about a positive show from many counties this season.

KIlkenny not being what they once were has opened things up a lot. Should Limerick win its 4 different winners in 4 years (same as Kerrys 78-81 4 in a row oddly). This would be the first since 1998-2001.

Football is in the situation Hurling found itself around 2007-09.One team way ahead of the rest and struggling for a challenger.

I believe Football will return to a competitive scene in the next 2-3 years. There is potential there in Kerry, Kildare, Galway and Tyrone. A lot could depend on a Dublin decline. With 5 defenders approaching 30+ and Cluxton in his late 30s they have a lot of replacements to make in the years ahead and that will be a huge ask of them to keep winning, Almost all the players from 1-7 have been involved since 2013 and many since the start of the golden era. It won't be easy for them.

Kerry only. Tyrone arent within an asses roar of troubling dubs,neither are galway or kildare. Maybe in a few years but in the next 2-3 no way.
If kerry had afew defenders theyd trouble dublin.

blanch152 · 15-08-2018 6:04pm

shockframe wrote: »

I would dare say the same thing was said at the time when Kerry did the 4 in a row in the early 80s.

Even if things started to open up the media would still moan and moan and moan about something.

I hear all the time from people complaining about football about how they have lost interest and are sick of watching it. It's not uncommon to meet the same people at football matches after.

Same with the likes of Spillane, Carr and Brolly. Forever giving about the modern game compared to their day like 3 Feech La Manna types but still there at all the games. Taking in the media gigs and showing up on tv. Brolly even went to New York for the opening game.

Talk is cheap when it comes to the people who knock it.

It was worse when Kerry won the four-in-a-row. Like Dublin now, they were at the peak of their powers, and nobody could see where a challenge was coming from. Attendances were declining, interest was waning, the rise of Galway and then Offaly in hurling made it the game of interest for a few years, just like now, but that soon died off.

Edgware · 21-08-2018 5:47am

blanch152 wrote: »

It was worse when Kerry won the four-in-a-row. Like Dublin now, they were at the peak of their powers, and nobody could see where a challenge was coming from. Attendances were declining, interest was waning, the rise of Galway and then Offaly in hurling made it the game of interest for a few years, just like now, but that soon died off.

When Kerry won 4 in a row they often had only one serious game in the year unless Cork put it up to them. Beat Cork then a handy one against Sligo or Monaghan and into final.
The qualifiers and so called Super 8 are good changes but one step forward two step sideways and three step back football is turning people off

kupus · 25-08-2018 11:51am

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/big-changes-could-be-coming-to-football-as-counties-submit-proposals-for-rule-changes-37250223.html

I think touching the ball on the ground should be eliminated it creates too much of a flash point that can be easily removed. when 4/5 lads are around a ball it nearly always turns into a free. Just pick the ball up any way you like and pass it off quickly. It speeds up the game and no having to go to the ref for an argument.

Another one would be to have lighter balls. it can be kicked further, so maybe it may change the way the game is played as more people may take the shot option instead of 20 hand passes around the 45 line.

Another is talking back to the ref. One person to talk to the ref and that is the captain. No one else. It pees me off when players crowd around the ref. Take your medicine and get on with it.

one more, for the last 10 mins any foul that occurs is an immediate free from the opposition 45m line. Might get rid of the pulling and dragging that occurs in the last minutes.

StupidLikeAFox · 25-08-2018 5:14pm

kupus wrote: »

Another is talking back to the ref. One person to talk to the ref and that is the captain. No one else.

This works in rugby because everyone is in the heart of the action, but what if there is a 14 yard free and you captain is playing down the other end in goals? It is a huge problem and not nice to watch, maybe the ref could nominate a player on each side to talk to and everyone else has to stand back

Niles Crane · 25-08-2018 7:32pm

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

This works in rugby because everyone is in the heart of the action, but what if there is a 14 yard free and you captain is playing down the other end in goals? It is a huge problem and not nice to watch, maybe the ref could nominate a player on each side to talk to and everyone else has to stand back

Easy way to fix it is if you say anything back to the ref the ball is moved forward 50 metres for the opposition.

With that sort of punishment the players should soon learn there lesson.

Beechwoodspark · 18-10-2018 8:46pm

Let’s see Gavin manage a mediocre team before proclaiming him up there with the GREAT managers.

My suspicion is he’s a very average manager due to the crazy level of financial investment given to Dublin gaa.

I doubt he’ll ever willingly take on an average team so that we can realistically judge him-emperor new clothes type of scenario?

But in saying that I would love to see how he gets on.

What do you think?

Gael85 · 18-10-2018 8:53pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Let’s see Gavin manage a mediocre team before proclaiming him up there with the GREAT managers.

My suspicion is he’s a very average manager but has scammed the system due to the crazy level of financial investment given to Dublin gaa.

I doubt he’ll ever willingly take on an average team so that we can realistically judge him-emperor new clothes type of scenario?

But in saying that I would love to see how he gets on.

Inherited a u21 team of players who lost minor games to Offaly and Laois x2 and won u21 All Ireland in 2010. Followed up with another u21 AI in 2012. Was in backroom team when Dublin won their first u21 AI in 2003 but Tommy Lyons claimed all the glory.

I can see him managing his parents native county Clare in a few years.

Beechwoodspark · 18-10-2018 8:55pm

Gael85 wrote: »

Inherited a u21 team of players who lost minor games to Offaly and Laois x2 and won u21 All Ireland in 2010. Followed up with another u21 AI in 2012. Was in backroom team when Dublin won their first u21 AI in 2003 but Tommy Lyons claimed all the glory.

I can see him managing his parents native county Clare in a few years.

Re clare I hope so - then we can judge him on a relatively normal level not the absolutely crazy advantages that Dublin currently have.

Gael85 · 18-10-2018 8:58pm

Games Won Draw Lost Goals Points Total Goals Points Total
Jim Gavin Championship 2018 8 8 0 0 17 169 220 6 105 123
League 2018 8 6 1 1 8 125 149 5 98 113
Championship 2017 6 6 0 0 10 124 154 2 73 79
League 2017 8 4 3 1 7 125 146 4 92 104
Championship 2016 7 6 1 0 8 122 146 6 84 102
League 2016 9 9 0 0 11 127 160 4 99 111
Championship 2015 7 6 1 0 18 118 172 4 83 95
League 2015 9 6 1 2 8 131 155 4 101 113
Championship 2014 5 4 0 1 9 105 132 5 63 78
League 2014 9 6 1 2 14 138 180 11 117 150
Championship 2013 6 6 0 0 13 99 138 5 71 86
League 2013 9 7 1 1 10 139 169 5 106 121
91 74 9 8 133 1522 1921 61 1092 1275

salmocab · 18-10-2018 9:01pm

Oh please nobody bother, let’s just let this one die quickly.

OldMrBrennan83 · 18-10-2018 9:02pm

One of the greatest ever. Next.

Beechwoodspark · 18-10-2018 9:02pm

salmocab wrote: »

Oh please nobody bother, let’s just let this one die quickly.

Eh why? Why try to strangle the debate?

I’m saying Jim G needs to manage more or less any other county other than present day Dublin so that we can judge how good or not so good of a manager he is.

The reason being Dublin football gets crazy levels of funding and support and has a hugely unfair advantage.

Why are you trying to shut down this discussion?

salmocab · 18-10-2018 9:03pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Eh why? Why try to strangle the debate?

I’m saying Jim G needs to manage any other county other than present day Dublin so that we can judge how good or not so good of a manager he is.

Why are you trying to shut down this discussion?

Because it’s a stinking pile of nonsense

Beechwoodspark · 18-10-2018 9:17pm

salmocab wrote: »

Because it’s a stinking pile of nonsense

Oh right. Nonsense you say.

You deny the inherent huge advantages that Dublin have? And how it makes his job much easier compared to the rest of the county managers?

yobr · 18-10-2018 9:18pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Eh why? Why try to strangle the debate?

I’m saying Jim G needs to manage more or less any other county other than present day Dublin so that we can judge how good or not so good of a manager he is.

The reason being Dublin football gets crazy levels of funding and support and has a hugely unfair advantage.

Why are you trying to shut down this discussion?

You have already raised the same point in multiple other threads, why raise it again?

salmocab · 18-10-2018 9:25pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Oh right. Nonsense you say.

You deny the inherent huge advantages that Dublin have? And how it makes his job much easier compared to the rest of the county managers?

The thread is a stinking pile of nonsense because everyone including yourself knows it’s just another thread to have a moan about the Dubs.

muddle84 · 18-10-2018 9:25pm

What metric would you propose to measure the manager on if not all ireland success? Dublin have always had the advatages you're talking about but yet they have only won 7 all irelands in the last 30 years, with 5 of them since Gavin toke over. Is that because they had absolutely useless managers up until then? And now Gavin is just slightly better than useless? Or is it because he has built a team that is better than everyone else? The resources dont matter if you dont have the right person orchestrating it all.

Littlehorny · 18-10-2018 9:34pm

Gavin is a great manager and the proof is in the way his players burst a lung to keep their levels up in a game, because like Brian Cody of Kilkenny if your not operating at your best you get called ashore and it doesn't matter who you are. If your not doing the business, your gone.
Underneath the quiet, calm exterior is a ruthless son of a b**ch and his players know it.
As a Meathman, I'm certainly no fanboy, wish we could raise our standards again to have a good rattle at the Dubs

dunnerc · 18-10-2018 9:34pm

And another anti Dublin thread , jesus wept .

diceyreilly · 18-10-2018 9:35pm

I think you put a question mark in the title by accident OP.

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