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Denis O'Brien, Catherine Murphy and the threatening lawsuit letters....

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  • #102
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Stephen Donnelly, and RBB here.

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2015/05/07/the-ministers-cover-up-has-failed/

    Interesting:
    Stephen Donnelly: “Public trust in the political system in Ireland has collapsed and tonight’s debate is a perfect example of why that has happened. The only reason an investigation is being conducted into the sale of IBRC assets is because of the work of Deputy Catherine Murphy. The motion before the House concerns who should conduct that investigation but serious questions of political governance must also be investigated. Why did the Minister make no mention of his Department’s concerns in response to numerous parliamentary questions from Deputy Catherine Murphy? Did the Minister inform the Taoiseach, the Economic Management Council or the Cabinet about his Department’s concerns?”

    “If departmental concerns about this serious issue have been kept secret, what else has been kept secret? What other parliamentary questions have been avoided or fudged by the Minister? If these concerns are worthy of investigation, and they are, why is it only being done now, years after the Department raised its concerns? I will tell the House why. It is because the Minister’s cover-up has failed and he has nowhere left to hide.”
    As I was saying, it looks like Noonan and the DoF were furious when they learned about this, but they also realised how bad it would look if the story got out...


  • #103
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The thing i fear with situations like this .
    It's like Ukraine and even what's going on in fifa as we speak .
    We all know about the corruption and lies and yet the status quo will never change and these people carry on as normal because nobody has the testicular fortitude to stand against the corruption
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  • #104
    RecordStraight
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    FalconGirl wrote: »
    The amounts involved in all this stuff are staggering. Makes the FIFA lads look like choirboys:pac:
    Well it looks like something around a potential 5 million per year in lost interest since O'Brien renegotiated the loan a couple of years ago...the FIFA story is dealing in the hundreds of millions.

    Not to minimise it though: as I said, if something dodgy went on, I want to see people in prison.


  • #105
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Gatling wrote: »
    The i fear with situations like this .
    It's like Ukraine and even what's going on in fifa as we speak .
    We all know about the corruption and lies and yet the status quo will never change and these people carry on as normal because nobody has the testicular fortitude to stand against the corruption
    Or even more frightening we have let them grow too powerful and our regulatory bodies are not powerful enough. That was what cause our last banking crisis we had a terrible regulator. Neary was corrupt and just awful! By the way ...he just apologized!
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/regulator-sorry-for-bank-crisis-679166.html


  • #106
    FalconGirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 874 ✭✭✭FalconGirl


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Well it looks like something around a potential 5 million per year in lost interest since O'Brien renegotiated the loan a couple of years ago...the FIFA story is dealing in the hundreds of millions.

    Not to minimise it though: as I said, if something dodgy went on, I want to see people in prison.

    Im looking at the bigger picture when I say that. Siteserv deals et al


  • #107
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Regarding Neary.
    Ireland’s former banking regulator has said “sorry” for his role in a crisis which led the country to the brink of bankruptcy.

    :eek:

    I have been waiting four years after posting much vitriol about this man on FB and various other places until i have been told to stop being so annoying. I expecting to feel more smug when I heard him say sorry. And you know if they say sorry it means they were really really really really bad.


  • #108
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    FalconGirl wrote: »
    Im looking at the bigger picture when I say that. Siteserv deals et al
    You will never be able to track down everything regarding O' Brain it stretches too far.


  • #109
    JillyQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭JillyQ


    silverfeather wrote: »
    Regarding Neary.



    :eek:

    I have been waiting four years after posting much vitriol about this man on FB and various other places until i have been told to stop being so annoying. I expecting to feel more smug when I heard him say sorry. And you know if they say sorry it means they were really really really really bad.


    Took him a while didnt it


  • #110
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    silverfeather wrote: »
    Neary was corrupt and just awful! By the way ...he just apologized!
    I don't think Neary was corrupt either - he was just an idiot.


  • #111
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    I don't think Neary was corrupt either - he was just an idiot.
    Oh no he was both I personally think.


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  • #112
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,288 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    I don't think Neary was corrupt either - he was just an idiot.

    Idiotic enough to allow them a free rein.
    Stupid as a fox.


  • #113
    TallGlass
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Well it looks like something around a potential 5 million per year in lost interest since O'Brien renegotiated the loan a couple of years ago...the FIFA story is dealing in the hundreds of millions.

    Not to minimise it though: as I said, if something dodgy went on, I want to see people in prison.

    Well, this to me is just the tip of the iceberg and really has me fully enraged. Why am I enraged? Tax hikes, Charge after charge, yet we trust people to deal with these deals and pay them very well to do so, yet are incapable of been pushed over and lack even the most basic morals.

    I don't mean to pick your post out, by 5 million is to me and a lot of people on here a serious amount of money. Imagine what resources we could invest in or taxes we could cut back on?

    How many deals like this don't make it to public media?

    The main problem here and I think most posters is that we have not only lost trust in the people we trusted, but the system and fail safes just do not work. Our trust is abused over and over again by who we elect, I think TD's think we just elect them for the craic or something, but we don't we trust them do Catherine Murphy has done. In fact its seen as something great, this should be the norm (its great what you do). As I said its a sorry state of affairs when contacting someone in the German goverment would do more than contacting some local TD.


  • #114
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭mohawk


    This story is trending on Twitter....

    Maybe social media isn't all bad after all.


  • #115
    darkpagandeath
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    mohawk wrote: »
    This story is trending on Twitter....

    Maybe social media isn't all bad after all.

    Well as long as it stays high up on outside Ireland media it will stay hot. It would be pretty hard to go after every none Irish source as one would not have the same sway.


  • #116
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    TallGlass wrote: »
    I don't want to see DOB locked up, I want to see him hit with a massive fine, billions if possible he doesn't deserve half of what he has, most of it on the foot of the tax payer by the looks of what I read online.

    Personally what I want to see is political shunning. Anyone once found guilty by a tribunal or court of any kind of corruption is permanently barred from getting any further state contracts of any kind.

    Zero tolerance. If once you act like a cute hoor, you are never again allowed within a mile of anything involving exchequer money.


  • #117
    [Deleted User]
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    RecordStraight wrote: »
    It would be gas if this brought down the government.

    Funnily enough, I was off work today and the doorbell rang. It was a fella out canvassing as an independent for the next general election. I said isn't that next May but he thinks it will be this autumn.


  • #118
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Personally what I want to see is political shunning. Anyone once found guilty by a tribunal or court of any kind of corruption is permanently barred from getting any further state contracts of any kind.

    Zero tolerance. If once you act like a cute hoor, you are never again allowed within a mile of anything involving exchequer money.

    You dont need political shunning, you just need the offences against the state act amended and used for it was supposed to have been created for, protection of the state against those who would undermine it


  • #119
    JillyQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭JillyQ


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Personally what I want to see is political shunning. Anyone once found guilty by a tribunal or court of any kind of corruption is permanently barred from getting any further state contracts of any kind.

    Zero tolerance. If once you act like a cute hoor, you are never again allowed within a mile of anything involving exchequer money.

    It fairly difficult to get state contracts,I know when you do tender you have to go through hoops with tax clearence certs etc.


  • #120
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,462 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Vincent Brown show also silenced by dob lawyers.


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  • #121
    Fred Swanson
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  • #122
    [Deleted User]
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    Did he say he couldn't comment or just say nothing?


  • #123
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    mickdw wrote: »
    Vincent Brown show also silenced by dob lawyers.

    And we worry about North Korea.....


  • #124
    silverfeather
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    JillyQ wrote: »
    It fairly difficult to get state contracts,I know when you do tender you have to go through hoops with tax clearence certs etc.
    And this company did not meet tax clearance cert requirements.


  • #125
    JillyQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭JillyQ


    silverfeather wrote: »
    And this company did not meet tax clearance cert requirements.

    Has that been proven?


  • #126
    darkpagandeath
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    JillyQ wrote: »
    It fairly difficult to get state contracts,I know when you do tender you have to go through hoops with tax clearence certs etc.
    How does one get that for an Insolvent company ?


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  • #127
    JillyQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭JillyQ


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    How does one get that for an Insolvent company ?

    Surely an insolvent company cant get a state contract? Maybe the contract wasnt awarded to the insolvent company but to a subsidery/sister company which was still solvent and they then sub contracted it out


  • #128
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    JillyQ wrote: »
    Surely an insolvent company cant get a state contract?

    Not without a tax form.


  • #129
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    JillyQ wrote: »
    Has that been proven?
    GM sierra didn't sorry the company that got the metering contract. Catherine Murphy raised that.

    It wasn't a regged company until two weeks after the closing date for the bids.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-water-gmc-sierra-1830119-Dec2014/


  • #130
    shane7218
    Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭shane7218


    What a joke! So many articles have been taken down.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/catherine-murphy-denis-obrien-interest-rates-2130467-May2015/

    http://www.independent.ie/business/independent-td-raises-details-about-denis-obriens-financial-affairs-in-dail-31261845.html

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/denis-o-brien-got-very-low-ibrc-loan-rate-td-claims-1.2229574

    We cannot allow one man to silence the entire countries media.


  • #131
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    This was trending on twitter it looks now like its not or am I crazy it seems to have disappeared off top 10


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  • #132
    Chucken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    shane7218 wrote: »
    What a joke! So many articles have been taken down.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/catherine-murphy-denis-obrien-interest-rates-2130467-May2015/

    http://www.independent.ie/business/independent-td-raises-details-about-denis-obriens-financial-affairs-in-dail-31261845.html

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/denis-o-brien-got-very-low-ibrc-loan-rate-td-claims-1.2229574

    We cannot allow one man to silence the entire countries media.


    But if we take to the streets, we're branded ''wasters'' ''spongers'' and any other name they feel like calling us.


  • #133
    wretcheddomain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,094 ✭✭✭wretcheddomain


    I think I speak on behalf of the people of After Hours when I say Denis O'Brien would make a great president...

    ...of Zimbabwe.


  • #134
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Chucken wrote: »
    But if we take to the streets, we're branded ''wasters'' ''spongers'' and any other name they feel like calling us.
    You have to keep with it and wear their disdain as a badge of honor.


  • #135
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    shane7218 wrote: »
    What a joke! So many articles have been taken down.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/catherine-murphy-denis-obrien-interest-rates-2130467-May2015/

    http://www.independent.ie/business/independent-td-raises-details-about-denis-obriens-financial-affairs-in-dail-31261845.html

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/denis-o-brien-got-very-low-ibrc-loan-rate-td-claims-1.2229574

    We cannot allow one man to silence the entire countries media.

    This on IT website now
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/catherine-murphy-makes-denis-o-brien-claims-in-dáil-1.2229946


  • #136
    Fred Swanson
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  • #137
    Atlantic Dawn
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    M


    In support of freedom of the press why don't all newspapers (not owned by DOB) publish a blank front page simply showing the URL and let people read it themselves...

    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2015052800027?opendocument


  • #138
    themandan6611
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭themandan6611


    everyone here should post it on their twitter, facebook pages etc etc. If last week proved anything it was that people power can make a difference.


  • #139
    silverfeather
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    In support of freedom of the press why don't all newspapers (not owned by DOB) publish a blank front page simply showing the URL and let people read it themselves...

    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2015052800027?opendocument
    Because what Denis can do goes beyond litigation. And they know. They don't want to rock the boat.


  • #140
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    themandan6611 wrote: »
    everyone here should post it on their twitter, facebook pages etc etc. If last week proved anything it was that people power can make a difference.

    I printed it out for the Mother to show her friends in work ! Shes no FB or anything like it so would be in the dark.


  • #141
    Banjo String
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    The move was met by an immediate denial from O’Brien, who claimed the information was false and that it was an abuse of Dáil privilege.

    If only he hadn't gagged the media from reporting (to the public) on the actual details of his 'private banking affairs' from a state owned bank, he'd have no bother making the public believe this.


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  • #142
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,462 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    In support of freedom of the press why don't all newspapers (not owned by DOB) publish a blank front page simply showing the URL and let people read it themselves...

    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/dail2015052800027?opendocument

    Now that is the kind of thing that could bring down not just governments but empires.


  • #143
    jimgoose
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    silverfeather wrote: »
    Because what Denis can do goes beyond litigation. And they know. They don't want to rock the boat.

    He's a fat-headed illeteratus, and the Americans might just get him in cuffs and an orange jumpsuit, at long last.


  • #144
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    mickdw wrote: »
    Now that is the kind of thing that could bring down not just governments but empires.

    this.... is...ireland

    govmts here dont collapse unless they're caught red handed or Labour remember that they're supposed to have ethics.

    And labour aren't going to bring the government down while the electorate are waiting in the long grass for em with a big pointy stick just for joanie


  • #145
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    jimgoose wrote: »
    He's a fat-headed illeteratus, and the Americans might just get him in cuffs and an orange jumpsuit, at long last.
    Well they have a better chance than our lot or the maltese!


  • #146
    Chucken
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    Bambi wrote: »
    this.... is...ireland

    govmts here dont collapse unless they're caught red handed or Labour remember that they're supposed to have ethics.

    And labour aren't going to bring the government down while the electorate are waiting in the long grass for em with a big pointy stick just for joanie

    People can bring down a government. WE are the people. I've never been as angry in my life. The whole thing just stinks.


  • #147
    Fred Swanson
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #148
    mickdw
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    Bambi wrote: »
    this.... is...ireland

    govmts here dont collapse unless they're caught red handed or Labour remember that they're supposed to have ethics.

    And labour aren't going to bring the government down while the electorate are waiting in the long grass for em with a big pointy stick just for joanie
    If a major paper was brave enough to do what was suggested and just put a link on the front page I think it would be far reaching.


  • #149
    silverfeather
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭silverfeather


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    We may not get justice but at least we will all get oscars!


  • #150
    TallGlass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,935 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    Surprised there hasn't been a DOS attack on the oireachtas.ie website been honest :pac:


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  • #151
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Mr Aynsley rejected “any suggestion that he or any of the bank’s management team had acted improperly”.


    Has'nt actually denied the veracity of what Deputy Murphy stated (whatever that was )


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