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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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    #5702
    cml387
    Registered Users Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭cml387


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Does that mean the government will be defeated?

    It's a technical amendment I believe, and was passed.

    It may be DUP posturing on a non-vital amendment to the finance bill.

    However it is a straw in the wind.


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    #5703
    dr.fuzzenstein
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,635 ✭✭✭✭dr.fuzzenstein


    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    Bob Geldof protesting against Brexit is the equivalent of Farage coming over to Ireland and advocating for a no vote on an EU Treaty. It is simply going to force a certain percentage to immediately take the opposing view.

    It sadly is the politics of today. It used to be that one informed themselves, weighed the options and went with the most logical choice/candidate whose program came closest.
    Nowadays it seems to be simply about winning, sticking it to the other guy, showing them who's boss, etc...
    International politics has sunk to the intellectual level of six year olds for most people, hence Brexit, Trump and Neonazi politics in Eastern Europe.
    The fact that thousands of people voted Brexit because of Bob Geldof very deftly underscores that point.
    Wonder where they keep their noses now, but as long as they can spite their face...


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    #5704
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    theguzman wrote: »
    The same rules and monetary policy for Greece and Finland is a grotesque example of how the EU is totally flawed. Two different economies with different cultures.

    Economies don't have cultures. Both countries volunteered to join the single currency. In fact one of those wanted to join it so bad they cheated to join it.


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    #5705
    cml387
    Registered Users Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭cml387


    Now that the heave against TM seems to be as going backwards as fast as an All Black scrum on Saturday, I just wonder if she'll get away with this and win the vote in December?

    Certainly Corbyn has done himself no favours in the last day or two, including an excruciating interview on Sky News on Sunday where he was a clueless as David Davis (and that's saying something).

    We could have a rerun of 1971 (the subject of a BBC Radio 4 documentary this evening) where the bill to pass accession to the Common Market as was a free vote with Labour and Conservatives voting in the end for joining.


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    #5706
    Anthracite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    EU is communist but still has the thin veil of just socialism for now but these speed of its march to communism isn’t fast enough for Corbyn.
    Corbyn wants Brexit so he can seize assets, land and start re-education on day one. They are all dangerous nutters.
    Yes. There are a lot of dangerous nutters around.


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    #5707
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    I think it is pretty clear that the voters expected Brexit to lose the referendum, they expected to be able to give two fingers to Cameron and Westminster without anything actually changing as a result.
    And then there's the voters who voted against immigration.

    And then there's the voters who voted against immigration from the EU in order to get more immigration from third countries.

    You could probably swing a new referendum by pointing out that Brexit won't change the amount of immigration, just where people come from.
    Theresa May has renewed her efforts to sell her draft Brexit withdrawal agreement - arguing it will stop EU migrants "jumping the queue".

    She said migration would become skills-based, with Europeans no longer prioritised over "engineers from Sydney or software developers from Delhi".



    Has any major UK employer recommended May's deal over remain ?


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    #5708
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Economies don't have cultures. Both countries volunteered to join the single currency. In fact one of those wanted to join it so bad they cheated to join it.

    A Greek government joined the currency and another wanted to leave but was blocked. The people didn’t volunteer anything.


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    #5709
    Anthracite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    A Greek government joined the currency and another wanted to leave but was blocked. The people didn’t volunteer anything.
    Syriza absolutely did not want to leave. I'm sorry but you are talking absolute bollocks.

    If you're going to come here and lecture us, please try and do so with a modicum of credibility.


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    #5710
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,129 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    theguzman wrote: »
    The problem with communism is it stifles development and eventually they run out of other peoples money to spend. Look at the utterly disgraceful way Greece was treated by the EU during the sovereign debt crisis.




    You have a "unique angle" way of looking at things. I'll give ya that!


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    #5711
    sameoldname
    Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭sameoldname


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    A Greek government joined the currency and another wanted to leave but was blocked. The people didn’t volunteer anything.

    That's a lie. The Greeks wanted to stay in the Euro. They also wanted an end to austerity, seemingly by getting the rest of the eurozone to pay for it.

    Honestly, if the British government had been paying any attention to the way the EU handled the Greek negotiations they might have saved themselves some bother. The EU doesn't blink first.


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    #5712
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1064623688899796993

    Very interesting development. I wonder who wrote the comparisons?


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    #5713
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,129 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    theguzman wrote: »
    Basically there should be another referendum until the democratic will of the people is overwritten. That is not democracy that is a diktat from a Dictatorship.




    Well given that the British electorate voted in the 1970's to stay as part of the European Project, would you then argue that the more recent vote was undemocratic on the basis that people had already decided?


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    #5714
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,239 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Well given that the British electorate voted in the 1970's to stay as part of the European Project, would you then argue that the more recent vote was undemocratic on the basis that people had already decided?
    No. Apparently there's a rule that you can only do this every 40 years or so. It's written down on the back of a fag packet I believe. The same fag packet that has the UK constitution written on it, or so I'm told.


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    #5715
    Capt'n Midnight
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    "Will of the People"

    Since the referendum the UK had a general election that removed the governments majority and put them in a position where they'd have to deal with The Knights Who Say "Ni!"

    Even then the government could only get over the line because of the support of the Scottish fishing communities who aren't exactly getting a great deal. I wouldn't fancy the chances of those Scottish Tory MP's if there was an election anytime soon.

    It's fun to see people go on about the 17.2 million voters, when in reality the 0.29 million DUP voters are the tail wagging the dog. What deal could the UK have gotten if an Irish sea border was just a Westminster rubber stamp ?


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    #5716
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    sameoldname wrote: »
    That's a lie. The Greeks wanted to stay in the Euro. They also wanted an end to austerity, seemingly by getting the rest of the eurozone to pay for it.

    Honestly, if the British government had been paying any attention to the way the EU handled the Greek negotiations they might have saved themselves some bother. The EU doesn't blink first.

    In one regard though you'd think that they'd haul the people who fiddled the books to get Greece into the Euro before the courts for messing up so many peoples lives.

    It's the same for Brexit. These Bullshíteers will ruin many people's lives for their ignorant stupidity and ideological BS and will just walk away and shirk responsibility. Just look at Cameron. Refused to own the problem he created then pisses off leaving the country in a heap.


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    #5717
    Calina
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    sameoldname wrote: »
    That's a lie. The Greeks wanted to stay in the Euro. They also wanted an end to austerity, seemingly by getting the rest of the eurozone to pay for it.

    Honestly, if the British government had been paying any attention to the way the EU handled the Greek negotiations they might have saved themselves some bother. The EU doesn't blink first.

    They didn't even have to do that. I do not have much or any time for Yanis Varoufakis but he wrote a cheat sheet or 2 for the Brits highlighting that the EU negotiators did not mess around.

    Also iirc he thought Brexit was unwise.


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    #5718
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1064623688899796993

    Very interesting development. I wonder who wrote the comparisons?

    Remainers of course.


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    #5719
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Calina wrote: »
    They didn't even have to do that. I do not have much or any time for Yanis Varoufakis but he wrote a cheat sheet or 2 for the Brits highlighting that the EU negotiators did not mess around.

    Also iirc he thought Brexit was unwise.

    She is a self proclaimed hard leftist


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    #5720
    Anthracite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    She is a self proclaimed hard leftist
    She is a he.

    FFS.


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    #5721
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Water John wrote: »
    Doubt Varioufakis agrees with the two of you. Most would say Greece was hauled into line at the behest of the banks. Goldman Sachs are the ones who profited from the Greek economic collapse.
    You are so far removed from the reality of what is going on, I won't be engaging further with either Currency or Guz.

    If you or other posters listened to me in 2013 they’d or you would be millionaires by now. But you’re the wise one....hmmm


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    #5722
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    And then there's the voters who voted against immigration.

    And then there's the voters who voted against immigration from the EU in order to get more immigration from third countries.

    You could probably swing a new referendum by pointing out that Brexit won't change the amount of immigration, just where people come from.





    Has any major UK employer recommended May's deal over remain ?

    CBI like it.

    It’s previous record on various events......

    In the 1930s it supported appeasement.
    In the 1940s it supported nationalisation.
    In the 1950s it supported state planning.
    In the 1960s it supported tripartite industrial relations.
    In the 1970s it supported price controls.
    In the 1980s it opposed getting tough with the USSR.
    In the 1990s it supported the ERM.
    In the 2000s it supported joining the Euro.
    In the 2010s it supported Remain…
    … and now it has declared its support for May’s draft withdrawal agreement.


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    #5723
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Anthracite wrote: »
    She is a he.

    FFS.

    Typo and you are getting desperate


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    #5724
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1064623688899796993

    Very interesting development. I wonder who wrote the comparisons?

    Remainers of course.
    Probably experts. You know how people are fed up listening to experts!!


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    #5725
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    joe40 wrote: »
    Probably experts. You know how people are fed up listening to experts!!

    You mean the experts who get cited on the bbc and are always wrong but never pulled up on it


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    #5726
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users Posts: 13,314 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Infini wrote: »
    In one regard though you'd think that they'd haul the people who fiddled the books to get Greece into the Euro before the courts for messing up so many peoples lives.

    I'd say for any criminal case that it would be an internal Greek matter.

    And in a general sense it's not a good idea for any current government to be bringing criminal cases against the previous government, especially in an unstable or fledgling democracy. It tends to lead to tit-for-tat from the subsequent government and eventually someone decides they'd be as well to hang onto power and scrap the democracy.


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    #5727
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    I'd say for any criminal case that it would be an internal Greek matter.

    And in a general sense it's not a good idea for any current government to be bringing criminal cases against the previous government, especially in an unstable or fledgling democracy. It tends to lead to tit-for-tat from the subsequent government and eventually someone decides they'd be as well to hang onto power and scrap the democracy.

    Democrats in the US don’t like your advice


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    #5728
    Anthracite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Anthracite


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    CBI like it.

    It’s previous record on various events......

    In the 1930s it supported appeasement.
    In the 1940s it supported nationalisation.
    In the 1950s it supported state planning.
    In the 1960s it supported tripartite industrial relations.
    In the 1970s it supported price controls.
    In the 1980s it opposed getting tough with the USSR.
    In the 1990s it supported the ERM.
    In the 2000s it supported joining the Euro.
    In the 2010s it supported Remain…
    … and now it has declared its support for May’s draft withdrawal agreement.
    Citation needed.

    Let's Google for literally 5 seconds:
    Abbreviation CBI
    Formation 1965


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    #5729
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    joe40 wrote: »
    Probably experts. You know how people are fed up listening to experts!!

    You mean the experts who get cited on the bbc and are always wrong but never pulled up on it
    Can you give examples. There have been plenty of lies from the leave side.


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    #5730
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,112 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Is the argument; for or against the EU not for another thread altogether. This one is about Brexit.


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    #5731
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,270 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    You mean the experts who get cited on the bbc and are always wrong but never pulled up on it
    No, those would be the Brexiteers ala Boris. When we use a word such as experts we don't try to turn it into a completely new meaning ala 1984 which appears to be all you've been capable of as "arguments" to date here; well that and not actually backing up any of your claims with you know actual facts but that's not surprising as it's fully in the trend of Brexiteering to make **** up and hope no one calls you out on it.


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