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Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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    #5672
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    And the rest of the 17.4 million?


    The made up their mind for whatever reason they choose, open-doors immigration played a huge part in it as did David Cameron's failed attempt where he went to the EU to seek a better deal for the UK and they have him nothing.



    The EU don't compromise nor do they reform, it is anti-Democratic system for centralising power away from member states directly to Brussels where quislings will do the bidding of Merkel and Macron.


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    #5673
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    theguzman wrote: »
    ...directly to Brussels where quislings will do the bidding of Merkel and Macron.

    Can you substantiate this please?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #5674
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,347 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    theguzman wrote: »
    Totally different situations with 16 years between referenda. The previous referenda sought to further tighten the restrictions on Abortion which was rejected in 2002, wheras this year the trend towards liberalisation continued. So actually the will of the people continued and strengthened from 2002 which contradicts your entire point.


    Actually there were six different referenda on abortion in Ireland, some passed, some not.

    Situations change, so you need to check views.

    The situation has changed dramatically regarding Brexit since the referendum took place. What was a leap into the unknown is now clear, and a check that the people still want to take that leap seems sensible.

    Is there something you fear?


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    #5675
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    theguzman wrote: »
    The pontificating of Bob Geldof on the Thames alone hardened the resolve of thousands of voters to side with Brexit.


    People are idiots. They need to be saved from themselves sometimes. Look at this example,

    Leave-supporting Llanelli left reeling as manufacturing industry moves out due to Brexit
    The Welsh town of Llanelli – which voted 56.7 per cent to leave the EU in the referendum – has been left reeling after a major manufacturer upped sticks due to Brexit.

    Global firm Schaeffler announced this week that it is to close its plant in Llanelli due to uncertainty over Britain’s departure from the European Union.

    The closure was described as the “tremor that will lead to the Brexit earthquake” in the Welsh Assembly, with Juergen Ziegler, the company’s regional CEO, saying that the “need to plan for various complex scenarios” due to Brexit had played a part in their decision to leave Wales.

    The warnings were given to people but they were branded as project fear. Now that the effects are known the Brexiteers are trying to sell to people that they should have actually listened to the warnings that were given. The fact that they branded the same warnings as nothing to be worried about is to be ignored.

    I don't think it is unkind to say that anybody that persists with the idea that what they voted for in 2016 was explained to them is living in an alternate reality. It is obvious that due to the lies that were told and the law breaking that the Leave campaigns conducted during the campaign that the decision should be set aside and a new referendum should be run.


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    #5676
    SimonTemplar
    Registered Users Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    What seems more undemocratic:

    A referendum for leaving the EU with absolutely no concrete specifics on what that entails, and therefore open to lies, misinterpretations and unkeepable promises.

    A referendum for leaving the EU with a detailed description on what a post-Brexit relationship with the EU would look like.


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    #5677
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Spook_ie wrote: »
    And according to Sky news, rumblings from Spain over Gibraltar.

    They’ve been rumbling for years.

    RTE article on the Gib story:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1119/1011805-brexit-transition-barnier/


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    #5678
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    theguzman wrote: »
    The made up their mind for whatever reason they choose, open-doors immigration played a huge part in it as did David Cameron's failed attempt where he went to the EU to seek a better deal for the UK and they have him nothing.



    The EU don't compromise nor do they reform, it is anti-Democratic system for centralising power away from member states directly to Brussels where quislings will do the bidding of Merkel and Macron.

    The EU and it's predecessors have constantly reformed. If you want a lack of reform I'd suggest having a look at the house of lords and the joke that is PMQs


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    #5679
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    RTE article on the Gib story:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2018/1119/1011805-brexit-transition-barnier/

    So it would seem that if you're an EU country you can have bilateral talks about Gibraltar but if you're an EU country you can't have bilateral talks about NI, who would've thunk it!


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    #5680
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    theguzman wrote: »
    It is night-time here in Siberia comrade.

    No more of this nonsense please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #5681
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    The EU and it's predecessors have constantly reformed. If you want a lack of reform I'd suggest having a look at the house of lords and the joke that is PMQs

    It’s the constant change that makes remain an utterly insane idea. The EU has changed a huge amount since the UK joined in the 70s and the nation hasn’t been given no say and any vote now to remain would be another extended period watching helplessly from the side lines as it marches to federalization. Remain is the most unacceptable option on any vote without it clearly noting a substantial number of ideas being mooted by the EU triggering another referendum in the UK.
    EU army ... to the people
    Tax harmonization... to the people
    Federalization.., To the people
    Euro... to the people
    New members.... to the people
    The next junker ... direct to the people
    Refugee quotas ...to the people
    Bail out of memeber states ... to the people


    And so on and on , they want the veto gone so remain is not an option


    That is the only option to remain on a ballot


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    #5682
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    No more of this nonsense please.


    I was accused of being a Russian bot because I logged in at evening time.


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    #5683
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    theguzman wrote: »
    I was accused of being a Russian bot because I logged in at evening time.

    Report the posts please rather than bringing it up on thread please. Ditto for throwing around accusations of anyone being a bot.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #5684
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    It’s the constant change that makes remain an utterly insane idea.

    So the EU so both too stuck in it's ways and changing too much. This is brexit in a nutshell for you.


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    #5685
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    BTW a correction on earlier, Teresa Villiers says she has not submitted a letter. This ERG haven't a bloody clue, even what their own ardent supporters are doing.


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    #5686
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Report the posts please rather than bringing it up on thread please. Ditto for throwing around accusations of anyone being a bot.


    Sure thing, thanks for that.


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    #5687
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    So the EU so both too stuck in it's ways and changing too much. This is brexit in a nutshell for you.

    The parliament is named after a communist. The constitution was written by a communist. The worship communists. It’s gonna eat itself and before you know it like all socialists when they lose the grip of things they will become more and more totalitarian until before you know it they are putting “bad eggs” up against the wall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xg7JwbJfWA


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    #5688
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    This Coummunist construct that Corbyn is against because it won't allow state aid and won't allow the state to move business into state ownership?
    Most people accuse the EU of being a Capitalist construct.


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    #5689
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Meanwhile, back in the world of reality, the DUP are abstaining on every finance bill vote tonight, which suggests the supply and confidence agreement is virtually dead:

    http://twitter.com/Peston/status/1064605627031396352


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    #5690
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The parliament is named after a communist. The constitution was written by a communist. The worship communists. It’s gonna eat itself and before you know it like all socialists when they lose the grip of things they will become more and more totalitarian until before you know it they are putting “bad eggs” up against the wall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xg7JwbJfWA


    The problem with communism is it stifles development and eventually they run out of other peoples money to spend. Look at the utterly disgraceful way Greece was treated by the EU during the sovereign debt crisis.


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    #5691
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    theguzman wrote: »
    The problem with communism is it stifles development and eventually they run out of other peoples money to spend. Look at the utterly disgraceful way Greece was treated by the EU during the sovereign debt crisis.

    What has the alleged communism of the EU got to do with the Greek debt crisis? The paranoid delusions of some on this thread are truly worrying.


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    #5692
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Water John wrote: »
    This Coummunist construct that Corbyn is against because it won't allow state aid and won't allow the state to move business into state ownership?
    Most people accuse the EU of being a Capitalist construct.

    EU is communist but still has the thin veil of just socialism for now but these speed of its march to communism isn’t fast enough for Corbyn.
    Corbyn wants Brexit so he can seize assets, land and start re-education on day one. They are all dangerous nutters.


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    #5693
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    theguzman wrote: »
    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    The parliament is named after a communist. The constitution was written by a communist. The worship communists. It’s gonna eat itself and before you know it like all socialists when they lose the grip of things they will become more and more totalitarian until before you know it they are putting “bad eggs” up against the wall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xg7JwbJfWA


    The problem with communism is it stifles development and eventually they run out of other peoples money to spend. Look at the utterly disgraceful way Greece was treated by the EU during the sovereign debt crisis.

    You do realise Syriza originated as the result of a schism within the official Greek Communist Party? If they (and Italy) hadn't fiddled the books to meet the euro convergence criteria, and had made the slightest effort to crack down on tax evasion, the country would never have ended up in a mess.


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    #5694
    fash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭fash


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    EU is communist but still has the thin veil of just socialism for now but these speed of its march to communism isn’t fast enough for Corbyn.
    Corbyn wants Brexit so he can seize assets, land and start re-education on day one. They are all dangerous nutters.
    fash wrote: »
    ...
    I am still waiting for your detailed response to my post here


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    #5695
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Doubt Varioufakis agrees with the two of you. Most would say Greece was hauled into line at the behest of the banks. Goldman Sachs are the ones who profited from the Greek economic collapse.
    You are so far removed from the reality of what is going on, I won't be engaging further with either Currency or Guz.


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    #5696
    [Deleted User]
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    theguzman wrote: »
    Basically there should be another referendum until the democratic will of the people is overwritten. That is not democracy that is a diktat from a Dictatorship.

    Hmmm, so the 2016 referendum shouldn’t have been held then since the UK voted 2 to 1 to stay in the EEC back in 1975?


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    #5697
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    You do realise Syriza originated as the result of a schism within the official Greek Communist Party? If they (and Italy) hadn't fiddled the books to meet the euro convergence criteria, and had made the slightest effort to crack down on tax evasion, the country would never have ended up in a mess.
    Fiddled the books or not, it just shows the EU doesn’t do the right checks at the time and then once the countries are in they are owned. The EU must have had an idea but still the country accumulation of Greece and Italy was too much to resist.


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    #5698
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Hmmm, so the 2016 referendum shouldn’t have been held then since the UK voted 2 to 1 to stay in the EEC back in 1975?

    No he is saying they can have a vote every 40 years to change back. The EU will be gone by then


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    #5699
    theguzman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    The same rules and monetary policy for Greece and Finland is a grotesque example of how the EU is totally flawed. Two different economies with different cultures.


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    #5700
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    theguzman wrote: »
    The pontificating of Bob Geldof on the Thames alone hardened the resolve of thousands of voters to side with Brexit.

    Bob Geldof protesting against Brexit is the equivalent of Farage coming over to Ireland and advocating for a no vote on an EU Treaty. It is simply going to force a certain percentage to immediately take the opposing view.


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    #5701
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,395 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Meanwhile, back in the world of reality, the DUP are abstaining on every finance bill vote tonight, which suggests the supply and confidence agreement is virtually dead:

    http://twitter.com/Peston/status/1064605627031396352

    Does that mean the government will be defeated?


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