RSA ad on unaccompanied L drivers

gctest50 · 06-01-2019 5:00pm

In terms of cost-effectiveness, the RSA states that it focusses mainly on TV advertisements and augments this through other mediums – like radio and online.

Its 2015 advertising budget was €4,196,000

Each fatal crash alone costs €2.7 million. If we prevent just two fatalities each year it reduces the burden on the state equivalent to the value of all road safety advertising each year.

Easier tool around with powerpoint than actually fixing roads i suppose

https://www.thejournal.ie/road-safety-campaign-3337583-Apr2017/

PeadarCo · 06-01-2019 5:31pm

gctest50 wrote:

Since cyclists don't always pay attention :

Human being don't always pay attention to what they are doing. When that person is driving a car simple physics(never mind decades of accident data) will tell you the consequences are far worse to the public than if the same person is cycling a bike if they are not giving their surroundings enough attention.

Graham · 06-01-2019 5:33pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Easier tool around with powerpoint than actually fixing roads i suppose

https://www.thejournal.ie/road-safety-campaign-3337583-Apr2017/

By "fix roads" are you talking about removing those who have not yet proven competent to drive unaccompanied or are you suggesting potholes/road-safety campaigning is an either/or decision?

Little Less Conversation · 06-01-2019 6:01pm

It's an awful ad. I feel sorry for both families involved. But to have this type of ad on TV and the girl watching this knows it's about her that caused all this putting full blame on her and yet nothing is being said about the gap in the wall. It's not like a generic slow down TV ad. Having a full license driver wouldn't have prevented this type of accident. It's very bad form from the RSA.

Not happy reading about the husband left in all this giving out about learner drivers, not allowing his own kids out on their own and giving out about this girl's family. Not that long ago, there were learner drivers in every family who were out on the road. How can he talk about this girl's family when no doubt he probably has brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews and we all drove unaccompanied.

pablo128 · 06-01-2019 6:21pm

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

It's an awful ad. I feel sorry for both families involved. But to have this type of ad on TV and the girl watching this knows it's about her that caused all this putting full blame on her and yet nothing is being said about the gap in the wall. It's not like a generic slow down TV ad. Having a full license driver wouldn't have prevented this type of accident. It's very bad form from the RSA.

Not happy reading about the husband left in all this giving out about learner drivers, not allowing his own kids out on their own and giving out about this girl's family. Not that long ago, there were learner drivers in every family who were out on the road. How can he talk about this girl's family when no doubt he probably has brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews and we all drove unaccompanied.

What are you saying? Are you saying that learner's should be let out unaccompanied? Because that's what I'm getting from your post.

Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 6:23pm

They should do another one about that one Dayna Kearney who killed her 3 mates when she drove a car unaccompanied as a learner with an under-inflated tyre. Her lack of experience and inability to do basic checks / realise basic faults on her car directly caused the deaths of those three.

punisher5112 · 06-01-2019 6:26pm

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

It's an awful ad. I feel sorry for both families involved. But to have this type of ad on TV and the girl watching this knows it's about her that caused all this putting full blame on her and yet nothing is being said about the gap in the wall. It's not like a generic slow down TV ad. Having a full license driver wouldn't have prevented this type of accident. It's very bad form from the RSA.

Not happy reading about the husband left in all this giving out about learner drivers, not allowing his own kids out on their own and giving out about this girl's family. Not that long ago, there were learner drivers in every family who were out on the road. How can he talk about this girl's family when no doubt he probably has brothers, sisters, nieces and nephews and we all drove unaccompanied.

Not all didn't drive unaccompanied.

I admit it's harder now to get a driver's licence but people have had to do this for years.

You don't have a right to drive it's a privilege which one must pay for and do their test before driving around alone.

There is no reason for anyone to drive alone on a learner permit(not a licence)

One can get lessons and drive at 17 so why not do this the minute one turns 17.

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 6:29pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

What is the fascination that all crashes are caused by speed.

If you have that much experience then you should know anything can happen.

The mother and daughter would be here today if things like I suggested were put in place. They weren't speeding, the girl in the other car t bones them sending them off the road.

There are so many factors and of course I agree with what you say many are doing anything but concentrating on driving.

I wasn't speeding when my car went off the road, I wasn't speeding the numerous other collisions I was in either as I drive every day and drive large vehicles it happens quite a lot.

There are so many places that could be made safer for such freak collision and anything can happen.

Speed reduces ability to react and causes greater injuries

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 6:30pm

eagle eye wrote: »

It won't because it's not on Netflix or Amazon Prime or the BBC or Sky/BT sports.
It's on RTE which feck all young people watch.

It will be on Sky.RSA advertise on Sky

Little Less Conversation · 06-01-2019 6:30pm

pablo128 wrote: »

What are you saying? Are you saying that learner's should be let out unaccompanied? Because that's what I'm getting from your post.

I didn't say that at all. What I said was, it wasn't that long ago where we all did it and he shouldn't be talking about this girl's family when his own family probably did.

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 6:31pm

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

I didn't say that at all. What I said was, it wasn't that long ago where we all did it and he shouldn't be talking about this girl's family when his own family probably did.

We all did it so leave her alone is your message???

No, no we didn’t. She has a criminal conviction

dense · 06-01-2019 6:32pm

road_high wrote: »

Yes in so much as was in the media. An accident can happen even the most experienced of drivers, pretty hard to pin blame solely on that aspect.

According to the RSA there are no accidents.

They're "collisions" in safety-speak.

Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 6:32pm

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

I didn't say that at all. What I said was, it wasn't that long ago where we all did it and he shouldn't be talking about this girl's family when his own family probably did.

wasnt long ago where drinking 5 pints and getting in a car to go home was the done thing, still is in some small pockets of the country . Doesnt make it right and certainly doesnt mean its not a road safety issue.

punisher5112 · 06-01-2019 6:32pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Speed reduces ability to react and causes greater injuries

But many crashes don't have speed involved so what's your point?

Where have I said it doesn't cause carnage when things go wrong.

Rodin · 06-01-2019 6:33pm

Not a bit wrong with the advert.
As usual in this country it took tragedy to instigate action.

All we need now is some enforcement.

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 6:36pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

But many crashes don't have speed involved so what's your point?

Where have I said it doesn't cause carnage when things go wrong.

I never said you did I’m explaining RSAs emphasis on Speed

dense · 06-01-2019 6:40pm

Stheno wrote: »

Thats a myth tbh

45,000 drivers is not a myth.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/shouldn-t-amnesty-motorists-sit-a-test-1.571127?mode=amp

They werent found to be disproportionately involved in subsequent "collisions" either.

Little Less Conversation · 06-01-2019 6:40pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

We all did it so leave her alone is your message???

No, no we didn’t. She has a criminal conviction

You know what I said.

So she caused this accident... Does it give him the right to talk about her family? And blame them as well?

gctest50 · 06-01-2019 6:41pm

Graham wrote: »

By "fix roads" are you talking about removing those who have not yet proven competent to drive unaccompanied or are you suggesting potholes/road-safety campaigning is an either/or decision?

Graham wrote: »

potholes

I'm not on about potholes, fixing stuff like* this :

( like* = that is 2009 googleearth, might be "fixed" by now

or this :

punisher5112 wrote: »

Reminds .e of the n4 near Sligo.

Lethal ditch or drain and it claimed lives.

RSA needs to look at actual road safety at this level more.

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Little Less Conversation · 06-01-2019 6:45pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Not all didn't drive unaccompanied.

I admit it's harder now to get a driver's licence but people have had to do this for years.

You don't have a right to drive it's a privilege which one must pay for and do their test before driving around alone.

There is no reason for anyone to drive alone on a learner permit(not a licence)

One can get lessons and drive at 17 so why not do this the minute one turns 17.

I did it because I had to. I lived in rural Ireland and the rules weren't enforced. Who has friends/family to bring along on a drive to work and let them off while you park up your car. I wouldn't do it now though.

Driving should be thought in schools. Not useless subjects like religion. Give them a life skill that they will have for life.

dense · 06-01-2019 6:47pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Here's another beauty from down there ( 2009 g-earth though so might be fixed by now )

Fixing the likes of this up would be better than a misery porn ad

right across from the entrance to a co-op or something :

https://goo.gl/maps/FjCwBsJEGEv

How could someone fling their car into that?
Take some serious effort to do it.

bfa1509 · 06-01-2019 6:48pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

Accidents dont just ‘happen’ I worked in Motor insurance claims - there is always an underlying cause

Then why do insurance companies split the liability so much even when the cause is clear as day?

Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 6:54pm

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

I did it because I had to. I lived in rural Ireland and the rules weren't enforced. Who has friends/family to bring along on a drive to work and let them off while you park up your car. I wouldn't do it now though.

Driving should be thought in schools. Not useless subjects like religion. Give them a life skill that they will have for life.

No, you didnt, sick of that as an excuse. I don't know why people living rurally arent compelled at all to need to illegally drive and then they get to about 17 and all of a sudden its like somebody held a gun to their head and it wasnt there fault they were compelled into committing this quite dangerous crime.

Alun · 06-01-2019 7:01pm

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

Driving should be thought in schools. Not useless subjects like religion. Give them a life skill that they will have for life.

Little Less Conversation · 06-01-2019 7:03pm

Alun wrote: »

Taught

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 7:06pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

No, you didnt, sick of that as an excuse. I don't know why people living rurally arent compelled at all to need to illegally drive and then they get to about 17 and all of a sudden its like somebody held a gun to their head and it wasnt there fault they were compelled into committing this quite dangerous crime.

I live in rural Ireland and never had to???

Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 7:08pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

I live in rural Ireland and never had to???

youre family must not have held that imaginary gun to your head that 'forces' so many people to drink drive or drive without a licence in rural Ireland.

Little Less Conversation · 06-01-2019 7:11pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

No, you didnt, sick of that as an excuse. I don't know why people living rurally arent compelled at all to need to illegally drive and then they get to about 17 and all of a sudden its like somebody held a gun to their head and it wasnt there fault they were compelled into committing this quite dangerous crime.

You're right. I saw everybody else doing it and feck it. I wasn't going to walk to work when I had a car. I knew the rules but you know what, not all of us was privileged enough to have parents or siblings to sit in with us. I wanted to learn and took lessons, bought a car. So it's not like I just sat behind a wheel and thought myself. It probably would have taken me longer to gain the confidence to pass without a car. And you know what, I never caused an accident so they aren't all liabilities.

I wouldn't do it now. But my whole point was that this man doesn't have a right to be talking about the girl's family when everybody (except a few) was at it and he probably does have family that did it as well.

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 7:12pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

youre family must not have held that imaginary gun to your head that 'forces' so many people to drink drive or drive without a licence in rural Ireland.

Amazing, but she kills someone and is convicted and they want it brushed under the carpet.

Anyone here have a relative/friend killed in an RTI?

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 7:13pm

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

You're right. I saw everybody else doing it and feck it. I wasn't going to walk to work when I had a car. I knew the rules but you know what, not all of us was privileged enough to have parents or siblings to sit in with us. I wanted to learn and took lessons, bought a car. So it's not like I just sat behind a wheel and thought myself. It probably would have taken me longer to gain the confidence to pass without a car. And you know what, I never caused an accident so they aren't all liabilities.

I wouldn't do it now. But my whole point was that this man doesn't have a right to be talking about the girl's family when everybody (except a few) was at it and he probably does have family that did it as well.

So you don't believe in free speech? He isn't slandering anyone. She killed his family members

gctest50 · 06-01-2019 7:18pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

So you don't believe in free speech? He isn't slandering anyone.
She killed his family members

She clipped their car.

Their car went through a gap in the wall that was "there for years"

Whoever didn't fixup the wall with the car-sized gap in it killed them

The water was 2.62 feet ( 0.8 meters ) deep - why didn't any of the bystanders break a window ?

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horse7 · 06-01-2019 7:25pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

It will teach others not to drive alone unless fully qualified

How do you report unqualified drivers who are driving?

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 7:27pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

They should do another one about that one Dayna Kearney who killed her 3 mates when she drove a car unaccompanied as a learner with an under-inflated tyre. Her lack of experience and inability to do basic checks / realise basic faults on her car directly caused the deaths of those three.

Yeah. Dayna Kearney hasn’t been punished enough for taking her mates on a great day out which ended up with the mates dying. She’s not suffering enough already every day and every night. Let’s torture her and her family every night on the TV too. I’ll tell you what Eric why don’t you find out where she lives and you can lead the lynch mob round there to burn her house down... she deserves it..

Little Less Conversation · 06-01-2019 7:28pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

So you don't believe in free speech? He isn't slandering anyone. She killed his family members

I read a piece with him giving out about her family. About he's so good to never allow this own kids out alone in the car and said something about her family and why rules don't apply to them. That's very unfair to be talking about her family like that. What happened was an accident and he's making everyone accountable for his family's death.

Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 7:33pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Yeah. Dayna Kearney hasn’t been punished enough for taking her mates on a great day out which ended up with the mates dying. She’s not suffering enough already every day and every night. Let’s torture her and her family every night on the TV too. I’ll tell you what Eric why don’t you find out where she lives and you can lead the lynch mob round there to burn her house down... she deserves it..

Why are you apologising for somebody who killed three people through her own driving incompetence and bad judgement. This thread and many other threads all celebrate when drink drivers and other people who caused tragedies on the roads in similar circumstances are rightfully locked up and shamed by our media.

Why the double standards, why when a young woman makes horrific decisions that result in the deaths of people do people get defensive and claim theyve suffered with having to live with it, if it was a 40 year old man people would rightly be vilifying him. Drop your double standards and realise shes just as bad as the rest of them.

gctest50 · 06-01-2019 7:38pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why are you apologising for somebody who killed three people through her own driving incompetence and bad judgement. .

Gda O’Halloran believed the rear right tyre had gone flat over the course of the journey before the accident

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Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 7:40pm

gctest50 wrote: »

An engineer called by the defence said he felt there had to have been “some injury” to the tyre before the car went out of control. Once it did, he said, Ms Kearney would not have been able to correct it.

The tyre was under inflated and they deemed that she didnt recognise that and that it became damaged due to that. A competent driver would have recognised what driving on a flat tyre felt like, pulled over and changed it.

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 7:46pm

gctest50 wrote: »

She clipped their car.

Their car went through a gap in the wall that was "there for years"

Whoever didn't fixup the wall with the car-sized gap in it killed them

The water was 2.62 feet ( 0.8 meters ) deep - why didn't any of the bystanders break a window ?

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They wouldn’t have been horrifically injured/killed smashing against a wall?

She is guilty of a criminal offence -stop trying to belittle her actions

lbc2019 · 06-01-2019 7:47pm

Little Less Conversation wrote: »

I read a piece with him giving out about her family. About he's so good to never allow this own kids out alone in the car and said something about her family and why rules don't apply to them. That's very unfair to be talking about her family like that. What happened was an accident and he's making everyone accountable for his family's death.

It wasnt an accident. She was responsible

Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 7:48pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

They wouldn’t have been horrifically injured/killed smashing against a wall?

She is guilty of a criminal offence -stop trying to belittle her actions

as with my post above , some people just refuse to blame women for their actions behind the wheel, always somebody elses fault.....

06-01-2019 7:50pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The tyre was under inflated and they deemed that she didnt recognise that and that it became damaged due to that. A competent driver would have recognised what driving on a flat tyre felt like, pulled over and changed it.

Someone in work the other day drove from their house to work with a FULLY FLAT tyre.
10kms and when i went to change it,it was 100% bald.
A fully licensed driver for years.
Also told another woman in work he 2 front tyres were bald before Christmas,
again fully licensed for years .

Needles73 · 06-01-2019 7:51pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

It wasnt an accident. She was responsible

What has the fact she was responsible mean it wasn’t an accident ?

Little Less Conversation · 06-01-2019 7:52pm

lbc2019 wrote: »

It wasnt an accident. She was responsible

It was an accident. She didn't set out to kill them.

splinter65 · 06-01-2019 7:52pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why are you apologising for somebody who killed three people through her own driving incompetence and bad judgement. This thread and many other threads all celebrate when drink drivers and other people who caused tragedies on the roads in similar circumstances are rightfully locked up and shamed by our media.

Why the double standards, why when a young woman makes horrific decisions that result in the deaths of people do people get defensive and claim theyve suffered with having to live with it, if it was a 40 year old man people would rightly be vilifying him. Drop your double standards and realise shes just as bad as the rest of them.

“She’s just as bad as the rest of them”.
Like another poster on this thread you totally lack the capacity to discriminate when it comes to culpability.
You genuinely cannot see the difference between
1. A 40 year old man, who drives professionally for a living in his sales job, but thinks it’s normal to drink 9 pints in the middle of the day before getting into his car and crashing into a family killing their 4 year old son, then running away and ultimately going to court to appeal his 7 1/2 year sentence
And
2. A 20 year old girl who’s friends happily got into her defective car knowing that she’s no license but are delighted anyway to head off on a fun day out that ended in tragedy.
In your mind she is as bad as he is.

gctest50 · 06-01-2019 7:53pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The tyre was under inflated and they deemed that she didnt recognise that and that it became damaged due to that. A competent driver would have recognised what driving on a flat tyre felt like, pulled over and changed it.

Engineer John Hayes, for the defence, said he noticed the cat’s eyes were particularly high prior to the scuff mark on the road.

The risk of damage to a deflated tyre from these cat’s eyes was significantly greater, he said.

“I felt there had to be some injury to the tyre that had occurred within a short period prior to the event,” he said.

Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 7:54pm

BrownFinger wrote: »

Someone in work the other day drove from their house to work with a FULLY FLAT tyre.
10kms and when i went to change it,it was 100% bald.
A fully licensed driver for years.
Also told another woman in work he 2 front tyres were bald before Christmas,
again fully licensed for years .

then our licencing process needs to be reformed. Those two women shouldnt be on the road if they cant recognise the obvious feeling of a flat tyre , recognise bald tyres etc....

pablo128 · 06-01-2019 7:55pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

as with my post above , some people just refuse to blame women for their actions behind the wheel, always somebody elses fault.....

I was just thinking if it was a 21 yr old man from Tallaght, Finglas, Ballymun, Ballyfermot, there wouldn't be half the amount of apologists on here.

Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 7:57pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Engineer John Hayes, for the defence, said he noticed the cat’s eyes were particularly high prior to the scuff mark on the road.

The risk of damage to a deflated tyre from these cat’s eyes was significantly greater, he said.

“I felt there had to be some injury to the tyre that had occurred within a short period prior to the event,” he said.

its not like the tyre deflated in 5 meters. It was a deflated tyre that she was driving on for a while before it hit anything. You edited your above post so much but one version mentioned a slow puncture, there were a few different viewpoints as to how long she was driving on that flat tyre but none of them are a short enough time to not recognise it, pull over and change it.

Eric Cartman · 06-01-2019 7:59pm

pablo128 wrote: »

I was just thinking if it was a 21 yr old man from Tallaght, Finglas, Ballymun, Ballyfermot, there wouldn't be half the amount of apologists on here.

thats exactly it, sure I remember in 2008 I think it was , there was some young lad showing off his car on the last day of the leaving cert and was driving through lucan village and ended up killing 2 of his mates, not determined speeding or dangerous driving but the media were calling for his head, the adrian ennedy phoneshow was alight with people asking for him to be in prison , he still has people calling him a scumbag and a murderer and all sorts for it.

Its a complete double standard.

dense · 06-01-2019 8:00pm

gctest50 wrote: »

Engineer John Hayes, for the defence, said he noticed the cat’s eyes were particularly high prior to the scuff mark on the road.

The risk of damage to a deflated tyre from these cat’s eyes was significantly greater, he said.

“I felt there had to be some injury to the tyre that had occurred within a short period prior to the event,” he said.

Feelings about some injury to the tyre caused by cats eyes that were particularly high. A guess then, an educated guess, but still a guess.

How high were they as a matter of interest? I don't think that was revealed?.

Were they subsequently lowered to prevent a reoccurrence? I don't think that was ever reported on either.

RSA ad on unaccompanied L drivers

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