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    #182
    lbc2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭lbc2019


    Father Hernandez wrote: »
    I think both are an issue, drink driving far worse than driving unaccompanied.

    She’s received her punishment, 15 year ban is a long time and a lot to explain. As does the guilt

    She can apply for a driving restoration about half way through tbf


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    #183
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    .........

    I also think the wall was damaged as opposed to a gaping gap.

    It went through the gap

    Sgt McNamara said that there had been a gap in the wall for many years. In the collision, the Clancys’ car flipped over and went through this gap


    Whose land is the bridge on ?


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    #184
    Kevin Finnerty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Kevin Finnerty


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Someone who hasn't killed anyone.

    Don't ever be that sure.


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    #185
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Father Hernandez wrote: »
    And I quote “Hopefully she wakes up to the first thought of the two people she killed every single morning though, that would be the very least she deserves”

    If you can’t see that’s vengeance, you’re delusional Pat

    "punishment inflicted or retribution exacted for an injury or wrong" - vengeance.

    It's like talking to a plant.


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    #186
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Try as you might, you can't make that one true. Basically making stuff up at this stage to try conjure a bit of outrage.

    He literally repeated your OWN post and pointed to it’s severe vengeful tone.
    How that then becomes “making stuff up” is beyond me


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    #187
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Kevin Finnerty wrote: »
    Don't ever be that sure.

    Bet nobody calls this worrying though. Is that a threat?


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    #188
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,250 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    No issue with the ad - why use makey uppey stories that are not real. Use real life stories to hit home that you - a unlicensed driver do not have the skills to be driving illegally by yourself - look at this story where someone thought they should be exempt from the law and ended up killing someone.
    As for the sentence I believe anyone killing someone in a road accident should be charged with manslaughter. When all you get for destroying a family is a driving ban and a stern telling off then what kind of signal does that send to all the people in the future that do the same thing thinking they are excellent drivers and nothing could ever happen
    If you intentionally go out and do something knowing full well what you are doing is illegal then you should expect to be hit with the full force of the law

    Roll on the next unlicensed driver killing someone or seriously harming them.


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    #189
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    road_high wrote: »
    He literally repeated your OWN post and pointed to it’s severe vengeful tone.
    How that then becomes “making stuff up” is beyond me

    Ah, it's TONE now.

    :D


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    #190
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I’m not making anything up at all. Your posts paint a picture of a person totally lacking in any human mercy or even basic empathy. It’s very straightforward. Point to where you have shown even a smidgen of mercy for this young girl?

    I don't show any mercy towards her. I don't think he deserves any.


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    #191
    Kevin Finnerty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Kevin Finnerty


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Bet nobody calls this worrying though. Is that a threat?

    Nope. What's to say you won't go out to work Monday morning and slay a whole family by sheer accident?


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    #192
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Someone who hasn't killed anyone.

    Yet. Hasn’t killed anyone yet, Pat. There but for the grace of God pat. Ever heard that expression?


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    #193
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Ah, it's TONE now.

    :D

    Yes of course, you hardly thought we meant you were literally going to physically seek vengeance on the girl?
    Though going by your posts on here I definitely wouldn’t put it past you


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    #194
    Father Hernandez
    Registered Users Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    Patww79 wrote: »
    "punishment inflicted or retribution exacted for an injury or wrong" - vengeance.

    It's like talking to a plant.

    Could go on all night but it’s like talking to a wall.

    You sound very sad & bitter. Enjoy your night :D

    I’ll leave this quote for you again: “Hopefully she wakes up to the first thought of the two people she killed every single morning though, that would be the very least she deserves”

    Vile


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    #195
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    road_high wrote: »
    Yes of course, you hardly thought we meant you were literally going to physically seek vengeance on the girl?
    Though going by your posts on here I definitely wouldn’t put it past you

    That's what you and the cronies have been getting at all along. Read it back bub.

    That last part is as bad as anything you lot have accused me of and you've absolutely none of the high ground left that you put yourself on now. Vile indeed.


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    #196
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Patww79 wrote: »
    I don't show any mercy towards her. I don't think he deserves any.

    So... you don’t like our justice system or any justice system in the developed world. Interesting.
    What’s your idea of how a justice system should operate Pat. Sharia Law? No actually even Sharia Law does allow for some mercy.
    No really this girl deserves no mercy so can you describe what you think would have been a suitable punishment. A punishment for someone who deserves no mercy shown them.


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    #197
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,248 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    But MUCH more likely to be caused by an inexperienced driver.
    28112827 wrote: »
    It would be interesting to see those stats. Can you provide a link to where they are published?
    RSA have indicated that approximately 12 fatalities per year involve leaner drivers, 10 of which are unaccompanied.
    28112827 wrote: »
    It’s been a few years since I researched this, but previously I had worked out that the vast majority of accidents involved fully licensed drivers with varying degrees of experience.
    The vast majority of collisions involved fully licensed drivers are because the vast majority of drivers are fully licensed drivers and they do the most driving.
    gctest50 wrote: »
    They were only about a kilometer from home

    Is this blind bridge on their land ?
    I think that's random speculation on your behalf. Few people would have land stretching a kilometer from home. Note that driver and victims were neighbours.
    gctest50 wrote: »
    Whose land is the bridge on ?
    Bridges only public roads tend to be the responsibility of councils, not land owners.
    splinter65 wrote: »
    lbc2019 wrote: »
    by driving unaccompanied? And her with the legal qualification...
    I don’t know what legal qualification a 21 year old would have and I’m mystified as to how you imagine her qualification would have impacted her driving skills.
    She did law in college.
    road_high wrote: »
    She could have had her test and still been involved in that accident. Where’s there’s humans there’ll always be human error regardless of what plastic is in their wallet
    Yes, it could happen, but would be less likely to happen.
    splinter65 wrote: »
    Point to where you have shown even a smidgen of mercy for this young girl?
    The "young girl" is an adult.


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    #198
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Sharia law now. It has to be a wind up at this stage.


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    #199
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Patww79 wrote: »
    That's what you and the cronies have been getting at all along. Read it back bub.

    That last part is as bad as anything you lot have accused me of and you've absolutely none of the high ground left that you put yourself on now. Vile indeed.

    There’s no cronies- I just find your whole attidude horrible, cruel and unnecessarily spiteful. If other posters feel the same too then I think that says a lot. Not that you’ll listen or take anything from it.
    You come across as wanting revenge and blame at all costs with not an ounce of compsssion or understanding. You’re to be pitied tbh


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    #200
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Sharia law now. It has to be a wind up at this stage.

    I thought you were at first but clearly not!


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    #201
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Sharia law now. It has to be a wind up at this stage.

    Can you not tell us what you think is a suitable no-mercy punishment for this girl?


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    #202
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Can you not tell us what you think is a suitable no-mercy punishment for this girl?

    Custodial sentence and a lifetime driving ban.


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    #203
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    road_high wrote: »
    There’s no cronies- I just find your whole attidude horrible, cruel and unnecessarily spiteful. If other posters feel the same too then I think that says a lot. Not that you’ll listen or take anything from it.
    You come across as wanting revenge and blame at all costs with not an ounce of compsssion or understanding. You’re to be pitied tbh

    Wanting revenge? What am I being accused of going to do now?

    Maybe you mean the TONE of revenge, just to clear it up early this time round like.


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    #204
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Wanting revenge? What am I being accused of going to do now?

    Maybe you mean the TONE of revenge, just to clear it up early this time round like.

    There’s no difference- we are on an Internet forum- are you saying we aren’t supposed to take you literally or something?


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    #205
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Father Hernandez wrote: »
    Could go on all night but it’s like talking to a wall.

    You sound very sad & bitter. Enjoy your night :D

    I’ll leave this quote for you again: “Hopefully she wakes up to the first thought of the two people she killed every single morning though, that would be the very least she deserves”

    Vile

    Why do you keep "leaving it for me"? I said it in the first place?

    You'd almost imagine (especailly when you edited it in this time) that you're trying to put it on every page. Surely the cronies could coordinate that better between you all?


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    #206
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    road_high wrote: »
    There’s no cronies- I just find your whole attidude horrible, cruel and unnecessarily spiteful. If other posters feel the same too then I think that says a lot. Not that you’ll listen or take anything from it.
    You come across as wanting revenge and blame at all costs with not an ounce of compsssion or understanding. You’re to be pitied tbh

    It is disturbing though. I’d be quite right wing and conservative myself but I can empathize because everyone of us has made mistakes especially when you’re young and most of us get away with it and there but for the grace of God go I would be a motto of mine.


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    #207
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    road_high wrote: »
    There’s no difference- we are on an Internet forum- are you saying we aren’t supposed to take you literally or something?

    No I'm saying that you all trying to imply that I'm going to hunt down this person and exact vengeance or revenge on her is pretty vile in my book. Looks like you all like to get the knickers in a twist when it suits but aren't very good at practicing what you're preaching when it comes to the dirty stuff.


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    #208
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Why do you keep "leaving it for me"? I said it in the first place?

    You'd almost imagine (especailly when you edited it in this time) that you're trying to put it on every page. Surely the cronies could coordinate that better between you all?

    You sound very paronoid as well as completely devoid of understanding.


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    #209
    splinter65
    Registered Users Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Custodial sentence and a lifetime driving ban.

    How long of a sentence. Bear in mind her actions resulted in 2 lives lost and you want to show no mercy.


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    #210
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    road_high wrote: »
    She could have had her test and still been involved in that accident. Where’s there’s humans there’ll always be human error regardless of what plastic is in their wallet

    They're not 'accidents'. They are collisions.

    It's amazing how conditioned we are as a society to let motorists off the hook.

    Breaking the law is not 'human error'.


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    #211
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Patww79 wrote: »
    No I'm saying that you all trying to imply that I'm going to hunt down this person and exact vengeance or revenge on her is pretty vile in my book. Looks like you all like to get the knickers in a twist when it suits but aren't very good at practicing what you're preaching when it comes to the dirty stuff.

    But you’d sooner she lived a daily living nightmare. That way you wouldn’t have to do the dirty work. Nice


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