Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

gomamochi1 · 09-06-2020 12:28pm

Only getting 4.4kw charge rate on a zappi 2 into a leaf 2017 acenta? Any suggestions thought I would get up to 6kw. Thanks

bootser · 09-06-2020 1:06pm

Also looking for a charge-point install in Meath, have priced with several suppliers and prices I have gotten range from €1100 to €1400, although a couple have quoted me for just the unit and get a local if I want which could work out cheaper. But at this stage I'd like to know if anyone has gotten the Electric Ireland offer, as the price is OK 1100, and the MO mini pro looks OK, BUT should I pay the extra for a Zappi (I dont have solar PV)

(NB I do need load balancing, power shower)

MJohnston · 09-06-2020 1:45pm

Gargled wrote: »

Looking at getting the EO Mini Pro - but it's ~ €300 more than the regular EO Mini. Is that right? Is it really worth the extra money? I have a BMW phev so I can control most of the charging directly from the car's app

If your BMW has access to the same BMW Connected app as my i3, then the extra money for the EO Mini would not be worth it at all, as you can do it all from the app as you say.

MJohnston · 09-06-2020 1:46pm

bootser wrote: »

Also looking for a charge-point install in Meath, have priced with several suppliers and prices I have gotten range from €1100 to €1400, although a couple have quoted me for just the unit and get a local if I want which could work out cheaper. But at this stage I'd like to know if anyone has gotten the Electric Ireland offer, as the price is OK 1100, and the MO mini pro looks OK, BUT should I pay the extra for a Zappi (I dont have solar PV) (NB I do need load balancing, power shower)

If you get an EO Mini, there's a device called EO ALM that should also be installed to do load balancing.

eagerv · 09-06-2020 2:55pm

gomamochi1 wrote: »

Only getting 4.4kw charge rate on a zappi 2 into a leaf 2017 acenta? Any suggestions thought I would get up to 6kw. Thanks

Presume you have checked the output from the Zappi, there are various adjustable levels?

Sheep Shagger · 09-06-2020 6:12pm

Lads, how long does it normally take to get the offer letter back for the grant (not the payment itself, I know that takes a long time).

Dealer is trying to say it takes 2-3 weeks but thought that online, the offer letter was a lot faster to come out.

Wondering if he's trying to get us to go through him so we get the charger and install from their supplier (instead of us being able to source it and the install ourselves).

All I need is a couple of reference numbers for the online application!

AndyBoBandy · 09-06-2020 6:16pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Lads, how long does it normally take to get the offer letter back for the grant (not the payment itself, I know that takes a long time).

Dealer is trying to say it takes 2-3 weeks but thought that online, the offer letter was a lot faster to come out.

Wondering if he's trying to get us to go through him so we get the charger and install from their supplier (instead of us being able to source it and the install ourselves).

All I need is a couple of reference numbers for the online application!

I got mine about 3 days after applying.

You can apply without the car SEAI application number, it just means sending them your logbook when you do get the car.

Sheep Shagger · 09-06-2020 8:41pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I got mine about 3 days after applying.

You can apply without the car SEAI application number, it just means sending them your logbook when you do get the car.

Thanks, can I please just double check that you can apply before sorting out who is supplying and installing?

Apply now, then once you have offer letter get it installed and get the paperwork filled out to claim the €600.

AndyBoBandy · 09-06-2020 8:45pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Thanks, can I please just double check that you can apply before sorting out who is supplying and installing?

Apply now, then once you have offer letter get it installed and get the paperwork filled out to claim the €600.

Yes, Absolutely.

I bought my charger direct from Tesla, then applied for the grant, then went looking for an installer.

You just need the grant offer in hand before any work is done on the installation.

Sheep Shagger · 09-06-2020 8:56pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Yes, Absolutely.

I bought my charger direct from Tesla, then applied for the grant, then went looking for an installer.

You just need the grant offer in hand before any work is done on the installation.

Cheers.

**** the dealer wanting to do it through him, he no doubt makes a bit on the 'referral' - applied online now, won't start any work before the offer letter.

daddy_boy · 09-06-2020 10:15pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Yes, Absolutely.

I bought my charger direct from Tesla, then applied for the grant, then went looking for an installer.

You just need the grant offer in hand before any work is done on the installation.

did exactly the same got the offer letter and then had it installed - just a slight hiccup waiting for my vrt to come through and then sit back and wait for the cheque to arrive

bootser · 10-06-2020 9:43am

Cyrus wrote: »

just called energia

looks like a no brainer the increased day rate isnt much higher than the current but the night rate is half

So did you install the nightsaver meter? had a look at my Efergy meter and did a spreadsheet to calculate the difference between std and nightsaver rates for the year to date and it works out cheaper by between €5 and €6 per month, less the €10 extra std charge per bill, meaning its the same price with no cost to install!!:) Now just wondering whats involved in the change? I have an old type mechanical meter, do they install a smart meter or a second meter with a timer switch? Is there any benefit to schedule the charger unit install at the same time or anything like that? TIA

AndyBoBandy · 10-06-2020 9:47am

bootser wrote: »

Now just wondering whats involved in the change? I have an old type mechanical meter, do they install a smart meter or a second meter with a timer switch? Is there any benefit to schedule the charger unit install at the same time or anything like that? TIA

ESB Networks come and remove the mechanical meter, and replace it with a day/night meter.

The guy that did mine back in February said he'd most likely be back in a few years to replace the day/night meter with a smart meter, which he said would eventually be rolled out nationwide.

whippet · 10-06-2020 10:04am

i'm now looking to get a homecharger installed. its for a PHEV (330e) .. but I'm somewhat lost with what I should be looking for and from who.

I'm not overly concerned with the smart features of the charger itself as from what I can see most of this is handled by the BMW app on the phone and as it's a hybrid it's just a case of getting juice in to it when it's parked up.

My consumer box is at the side of the house about 10 meters from the end of the driveway and i'm not overly concerned with how it looks at that wall is facing a large hedge and not visable unless your at the side of the house.

Does tethered or untethered make much of a difference ?

I have tried to contact a few places but I can't seem to get an answer or response to emails / web queries - the only response I've gotten is from ESB.

I have the grant offer from SEAI so am ready to rock - if only I can find a rock !

eagerv · 10-06-2020 10:20am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

ESB Networks come and remove the mechanical meter, and replace it with a day/night meter.

The guy that did mine back in February said he'd most likely be back in a few years to replace the day/night meter with a smart meter, which he said would eventually be rolled out nationwide.

We are still waiting for ESB to install meter, they aren't doing any non essential home work atm.

MJohnston · 10-06-2020 10:26am

I've had an ESB Smart meter installed, and just switched energy providers. So I asked ESB about Night saver rates with the smart meter and here was the utterly useless response:

From 2021 electricity supply companies will begin to offer new smart products and services which will enable customers to shift some of their consumption to times of the day when electricity is cheaper. Over time the new smart meter will also eliminate the need for estimated bills. However you can request a day/night meter to be installed until then. Your supplier can log an order with us to request this. Hope this helps.

Has anyone with a smart meter had a different experience?

AndyBoBandy · 10-06-2020 10:50am

eagerv wrote: »

We are still waiting for ESB to install meter, they aren't doing any non essential home work atm.

When I requested it from Electric Ireland, I was told I'd be contacted by ESB Networks to arrange an installation date.

Next I heard was a knock on the door about a week later from the Networks guy who installed it there and then. (bear in mind this was pre lockdown).

arestifamiliar · 10-06-2020 11:10pm

MJohnston wrote: »

I've had an ESB Smart meter installed, and just switched energy providers. So I asked ESB about Night saver rates with the smart meter and here was the utterly useless response:

Has anyone with a smart meter had a different experience?

I recently had a smart meter installed (my mech meter had condensation so they replaced it) . I'm with iberdrola, and had a chat with someone in there about day/night . They said I need to have the smart meter removed and a day/night installed. They advised against it as I wouldn't get a smart meter again until they officially roll out my area .

They expect smart meters to be activated in early Q1 next year, thats the current schedule and could then offer day/night and other tarriffs.

so i'm going to hang on to the smart meter I think. Currently to install day/night meter is free, but to revert from day/night is charged. i don't know what that looks like going from day/night to smart (if there is a charge)

MJohnston · 10-06-2020 11:14pm

arestifamiliar wrote: »

I recently had a smart meter installed (my mech meter had condensation so they replaced it) . I'm with iberdrola, and had a chat with someone in there about day/night . They said I need to have the smart meter removed and a day/night installed. They advised against it as I wouldn't get a smart meter again until they officially roll out my area .

They expect smart meters to be activated in early Q1 next year, thats the current schedule and could then offer day/night and other tarriffs.

so i'm going to hang on to the smart meter I think. Currently to install day/night meter is free, but to revert from day/night is charged. i don't know what that looks like going from day/night to smart (if there is a charge)

Yeah our area has already been all done with smart installs, so I'd undoubtedly have to pay the €200 to get one back if I switched to day/night in the meantime.

Such a silly situation, the equipment is already installed, now we're just at the mercy of the incredibly slow cogs of ESB.

KCross · 10-06-2020 11:21pm

Energia are similar in that they are initially only offering smart meters if you go with a 24hr tariff. Wouldnt give it to me otherwise and I wasnt switching back to 24hr tariff so I stuck with my day/night meter.

Mark Hamill · 11-06-2020 9:56am

I've been getting a few quotes for the charger I will need, but I am being quoted different brands and wnat to know which one is recommended by users :

(quotes don't include grant, I have no PV but I need one with load balancer as I have electric shower):

1st quote: €1245 Supply and install of Wallbox Pulsar Plus with 5m tethered cable

2nd quote: €600 install, €198 load balancer (from installer), €775 EV BOX charger (from garage) (€1553 total)

3rd Quote - €1180 for supply and install of Zappi V2 7kw tethered

Is there a clear winner?

AndyBoBandy · 11-06-2020 10:13am

Zappi looks good price wise, and your also future proofing if you ever get solar PV.

Also, any tethered option is better than a non tethered option in my opinion.

11-06-2020 10:18am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Zappi looks good price wise, and your also future proofing if you ever get solar PV.

Also, any tethered option is better than a non tethered option in my opinion.

Seems very good,I paid 835 for my zappi and spent another 100 on cable,isolator and rcbo + 80 to test and cert it.

bootser · 11-06-2020 11:28am

3rd Quote - €1180 for supply and install of Zappi V2 7kw tethered

Would u mind letting me know who quoted for the Zappi?(does your quote inc VAT?) The quote I got was for 1350 inc VAT for a super simple install. Thinking of going for the Electric Ireland offer €1100 for a EO mini Pro untethered atm!

xboxdad · 11-06-2020 11:32am

Mark Hamill wrote: »

3rd Quote - €1180 for supply and install of Zappi V2 7kw tethered

I'd pick the Zappi offer.
Would you mind sending me a PM with the installer details? (if they do Dublin)

KCross · 11-06-2020 11:49am

Mark Hamill wrote: »

3rd Quote - €1180 for supply and install of Zappi V2 7kw tethered

Is there a clear winner?

That quote sounds almost too good to be true based on the price of the Zappi itself.

Definitely no vat or anything else to be added to that?
If not, I'd take that one.

Mark Hamill · 11-06-2020 12:15pm

I pm'd those who asked for details.

KCross wrote: »

That quote sounds almost too good to be true based on the price of the Zappi itself.

Definitely no vat or anything else to be added to that?
If not, I'd take that one.

I was recommended to buy the zappi myself (€780 from midsummer.ie) and was priced €400 to install. My fusebox/meter is on the opposite side of the wall (and up about 1.5 meters) form where the charger will go, so it might be relatively cheap because it's straightforward?

The installer of Wallbox Pulsar Plus was saying the zappi (outside of the PV integration) was actually a fairly basic unit. Anyone have experience of the Wallbox?

Cyrus · 11-06-2020 12:16pm

That zappi quote looks too good to be true but if it’s legit go for that

Cyrus · 11-06-2020 12:17pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Also, any tethered option is better than a non tethered option in my opinion.

Unless you are charging every night I disagree they look awful

Like a hose or something appended to the front or side of your house

No thanks

KCross · 11-06-2020 12:35pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I was recommended to buy the zappi myself (€780 from midsummer.ie) and was priced €400 to install.

Ah! That excludes VAT!

With VAT and delivery you'll be looking at €970

Mark Hamill wrote: »

The installer of Wallbox Pulsar Plus was saying the zappi (outside of the PV integration) was actually a fairly basic unit.

Thats not true. It has other features built in that alot of other charge points dont have. Load balancing, load limiting and app support.

If you for instance buy a cheaper unit and you have an electric shower or heat pump you'd need a priority switch which can add upto €200 to your install cost.

But the other features are also useful so its not true to say its a basic unit. I guess he wants to sell you a Wallbox!

Mark Hamill · 11-06-2020 12:58pm

KCross wrote: »

Ah! That excludes VAT!

With VAT and delivery you'll be looking at €970

Damn it! There is nothing on that site about VAT until you go to the checkout, so I thought it was included.

Its ~ €860 delivered from myenergi in the UK.

KCross wrote: »

Thats not true. It has other features built in that alot of other charge points dont have. Load balancing, load limiting and app support.

If you for instance buy a cheaper unit and you have an electric shower or heat pump you'd need a priority switch which can add upto €200 to your install cost.

But the other features are also useful so its not true to say its a basic unit. I guess he wants to sell you a Wallbox!

Yeah, the €1553 one via the garage includes €198 for a load balancer.

Felexicon · 11-06-2020 1:18pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Damn it! There is nothing on that site about VAT until you go to the checkout, so I thought it was included.
Its ~ €860 delivered from myenergi in the UK.

Yeah, the €1553 one via the garage includes €198 for a load balancer.

Does the Pulsar Plus quote also include load balancing

Sheep Shagger · 11-06-2020 1:22pm

Liked the Pulsar Plus but didn't want tethered and they don't do a non thethered yet.

ESB are doing the EO Mini Pro Untethered ( Socket Only ) €1,099. / EO Mini Pro Tethered ( cable attached ) €1,199.

Incl VAT and fitting.

Like this one as it's smart, has load management and is small.

https://www.eocharging.com/eo-mini-pro

Gargled · 11-06-2020 1:36pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Liked the Pulsar Plus but didn't want tethered and they don't do a non thethered yet.

ESB are doing the EO Mini Pro Untethered ( Socket Only ) €1,099. / EO Mini Pro Tethered ( cable attached ) €1,199.

Incl VAT and fitting.

Like this one as it's smart, has load management and is small.

https://www.eocharging.com/eo-mini-pro

Has anyone managed to get a call back from ESB yet?

Mark Hamill · 11-06-2020 1:38pm

Felexicon wrote: »

Does the Pulsar Plus quote also include load balancing

Yes. It was from EV Power.

Ecarinfra are advertising the Zappi V2 from €729 installed, including VAT.

C@t · 11-06-2020 1:43pm

Gargled wrote: »

Has anyone managed to get a call back from ESB yet?

Yes, I did get a callback from them within a few days but I’m a little confused about what they’re installing as EO say that the EO Mini Pro doesn’t have load balancing and can’t be used with the ALM unit, however ESB say the Mini Pro they’re fitting does have it... we have a heat pump so load balancing is a must for us.

I’m waiting a week so far on further clarification from ESB

Cyrus · 11-06-2020 1:48pm

C@t wrote: »

Yes, I did get a callback from them within a few days but I’m a little confused about what they’re installing as EO say that the EO Mini Pro doesn’t have load balancing and can’t be used with the ALM unit, however ESB say the Mini Pro they’re fitting does have it... we have a heat pump so load balancing is a must for us.

I’m waiting a week so far on further clarification from ESB

I have a heat pump and I’m getting one fitted

I doubt ESB will put their name to something without load balancing

C@t · 11-06-2020 1:52pm

Cyrus wrote: »

I have a heat pump and I’m getting one fitted

I doubt ESB will put their name to something without load balancing

I know, I thought that too, surely the ESB would have the electrical side of things correct!
I was wondering whether it might actually be the Smart Home version they’re installing, which does have load balancing. They’re offering a great deal if it is that!

Let us know how you get on!

Sheep Shagger · 11-06-2020 1:54pm

I was waiting for a call back, after a few days gave them a call.

We dont have a power shower etc so not sure balancing is that important for us anyway but thought I had read that the EO Mini pro had load management?

As an aside, applied for the offer letter Tuesday night and it arrived in the post Thursday morning. If only the payment process was as efficient (from what I've heard).

C@t · 11-06-2020 1:58pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

I was waiting for a call back, after a few days gave them a call.

We dont have a power shower etc so not sure balancing is that important for us anyway but thought I had read that the EO Mini pro had load management?

Where did you read that?
It says it on the ESB website alright, but it doesn’t say it on the data sheet they link to. I contacted EO to ask them directly, as I had been told by another supplier that the Mini Pro doesn’t have load balancing/can’t be used with the ALM and EO confirmed this by email.

Edit: I cant see reference to the EO charger on the ESB website, it could just have been in the email they sent me after my enquiry

Sheep Shagger · 11-06-2020 1:59pm

C@t wrote: »

Where did you read that?
It says it on the ESB website alright, but it doesn’t say it on the data sheet they link to. I contacted EO to ask them directly, as I had been told by another supplier that the Mini Pro doesn’t have load balancing/can’t be used with the ALM and EO confirmed this by email.

It's here but if EO confirmed it doesn't have it by email that sounds strange?

https://ceti.ie/home-ev-charging/

Obviously this website is not the manufacturer..

bootser · 11-06-2020 2:03pm

OK, Just rang EO tech support and they say that only the EO smart home has load balancing. Categorically stated that neither the EO basic or Pro have the balancing functionality, which is a PITA as that was what I had finally decided on:mad::mad:

C@t · 11-06-2020 2:04pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

It's here but if EO confirmed it doesn't have it by email that sounds strange?

https://ceti.ie/home-ev-charging/

Obviously this website is not the manufacturer..

Yeah that’s the Smart Home version (unclear really on that website!)

C@t · 11-06-2020 2:07pm

bootser wrote: »

OK, Just rang EO tech support and they say that only the EO smart home has load balancing. Categorically stated that neither the EO basic or Pro have the balancing functionality, which is a PITA as that was what I had finally decided on:mad::mad:

The EO Mini can use the additional ALM module though, but it’s not a smart charger.

Sheep Shagger · 11-06-2020 2:07pm

And according to this it's an add on that compliments the mini and mini pro...at an additional cost.

https://cablesforcharging.com/product/eo-alm-load-management/

An I right in thinking you only need load balancing f you have a power shower etc?.

bootser · 11-06-2020 2:16pm

C@t wrote: »

The EO Mini can use the additional ALM module though, but it’s not a smart charger.

Thought I had asked the tech support if the ALM unit would work with them

Although I was quoted by one company for an EO basic which he said req an ALM unit for load balancing, this must be why everone likes the Zappi!

C@t · 11-06-2020 2:22pm

bootser wrote: »

Thought I had asked the tech support if the ALM unit would work with them Although I was quoted by one company for an EO basic which he said req an ALM unit for load balancing, this must be why everone likes the Zappi!

The reply I got from them (and what the other supplier told me) was that the ALM would work with the Mini, not the Mini Pro. They have another product called a Basic, which isn’t as small as the Mini series

JohnC. · 11-06-2020 2:24pm

EO’s own website list the ALM as an accessory for the Mini Pro.

https://www.eocharging.com/eo-mini-pro

C@t · 11-06-2020 2:26pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

And according to this it's an add on that compliments the mini and mini pro...at an additional cost.

https://cablesforcharging.com/product/eo-alm-load-management/

An I right in thinking you only need load balancing f you have a power shower etc?.

That doesn’t mention Mini Pro? Just Mini and Basic?

As far as I understand, load balancing is needed if you have an electric shower, heat pump, second EV charge point or other similar big electrical consumer (But I’m not an electrician!! ðŸ˜)

JohnC. · 11-06-2020 2:28pm

EO’s own website list the ELM as an accessory for the Mini Pro.

https://www.eocharging.com/eo-mini-pro

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