Random Wrestling Thoughts (Part 2)

PTH2009 wrote: »

Ha

https://twitter.com/BraunStrowman/status/1192160544154963968?s=19

Don't you stalk wrestlers at their hotels though!?

montyrebel wrote: »

not sure whether it was utv or itv but remember watching wcw on sat afternoons after knightrider and baywatch and before watching the footy scores coming in

This is what I'm wondering about, ITV was divided into regions in those days and my local cable TV provider, CMI, aired UTV as opposed to any of the English regional versions of ITV.

I remember being surprised a few years ago reading about WCW on ITV in the early 90s because I don't remember WCW in the early 90s at all and I didn't even know WCW existed until the latter half of 1998 when I got Sky Digital on the week of King of the Ring. Sometime after Royal Rumble 1994, my Sky Sports 1 became unwatchable and Sky Sports 3 never worked for me when it launched in 1996, so King of the Ring 1998 was the first PPV I had watched in 4 years and the go-home Raw for that PPV was the first-ever episode of Raw I had ever watched.

Fast forward to a few weeks after the start of school and I have vague a memory of a conversation with a classmate of mine in primary school, where he told me there's another wrestling show on after Cartoon Network and I acknowledged its existence because I think I discovered WCW just that weekend gone from the "WCW sucks" or "Nitro sucks" fan signs in the Raw audience.

My family moved back to Ireland at Christmas 1991 and I can remember WWF storylines from 1992 alright, so I just don't comprehend how I missed WCW, especially since it aired at a child-friendly hour on a popular channel. The only plausble explanation I could think of was that UTV didn't pick up WCW.

yea i defintley remember seeing sting and being instantly hooked as a fan of his

Itssoeasy wrote: »

With NXT wargames happening this month I will suggest that people watch the 1992 Wargames from wrestlewar 1992. It's the best Wargames match I've seen.

This will be sacrilege to many as it’s a really popular match but I watched it a couple years back and don’t get the hype. It was like watching old Royal Rumbles, for me, where you can tell it’s probably special for people who’ve never seen anything like it before but doesn’t hold up once you’ve seen them evolve. I much prefer the more recent matches they’ve done over the past couple of years tbh.

Apologies I didn’t mean you as in people who’ve never seen anything like it before, that read that way, I meant more at the time it was unlike what they’d seen before. Don’t get me wrong, I love a bit of 80’s myself, I’m an old school tag-team geek. But I could just never get into older War Games matches. I guess it’s because I grew up without them so the name never meant anything to me like, say, a Royal Rumble would.

Surfer Sting, Mean Mark, Stunning Steve Austin and Big Van Vader's debut with his big smoking mask

Sheamus will be tops. He has every single title and accolade besides the IC title. Just needs that for a complete clean sweep of everything. Multiple time world champ, multiple time US Champ, multiple time tag champ, KOTR, MITB, Royal Rumble winner.

With that said, fans have never been into him and neither have I. Becky will have had the most impact, Sheamus the most achievements and Finn....I'm sure Finn has sold a lot of t-shirts.

sirmanga wrote: »

Good question. I'd say Sheamus is WWE's biggest Irish star ever. He was on top at a time when more people were watching wrestling than when Becky was on top. Becky was on top from November 2018 to WrestleMania 35. WWE stripped her of her magic between those months with their convoluted booking of the three way main event in the run up to Mania. Sheamus probably didn't reach the heights of Becky but he lasted longer in a prominent role in front of more eyeballs.

People don't consider week-to-week booking decisions when evaluating a wrestler, that's just recency bias. For example while you say that you're also not considering that, by and large, loads of people HATED when Sheamus was first pushed on top. Him beating Cena for the belt felt, for many, totally random like when Jinder won the title (although we obviously had a different response here). Remember everyone talking about how he was only getting pushed because he was Triple H's mate? He only started being accepted by fans after he changed up his look and turned heel, and in terms of titles etc that would be the less successful period of his career.

Love this topic though, loads to think about and discuss without being able to get a definitive answer. Becky's greatest achievement (being/winning in the Mania main event) absolutely dwarves everyone else's: you're talking about something even absolute legends never got to achieve (Flair, Dusty, Roberts etc). If she continues to stay on top then she'll be the easy answer to this question in a few years. Balor's biggest achievement (being the first champion of a legitimate World Title) also probably outdoes Sheamus, then you have to consider stuff outside WWE like creating the Bullet Club and the overall impact that had on the business. So I'd put Balor/Sheamus around even. If Devlin goes onto have a Balor/Becky-level run on the main roster, he'll have a case as regularly selling out stadiums over here, putting Irish wrestling on the world stage and being pivotal in the launch of the NXT UK brand are already big achievements.

leggo wrote: »

People don't consider week-to-week booking decisions when evaluating a wrestler, that's just recency bias. For example while you say that you're also not considering that, by and large, loads of people HATED when Sheamus was first pushed on top. Him beating Cena for the belt felt, for many, totally random like when Jinder won the title (although we obviously had a different response here). Remember everyone talking about how he was only getting pushed because he was Triple H's mate? He only started being accepted by fans after he changed up his look and turned heel, and in terms of titles etc that would be the less successful period of his career.

Love this topic though, loads to think about and discuss without being able to get a definitive answer. Becky's greatest achievement (being/winning in the Mania main event) absolutely dwarves everyone else's: you're talking about something even absolute legends never got to achieve (Flair, Dusty, Roberts etc). If she continues to stay on top then she'll be the easy answer to this question in a few years. Balor's biggest achievement (being the first champion of a legitimate World Title) also probably outdoes Sheamus, then you have to consider stuff outside WWE like creating the Bullet Club and the overall impact that had on the business. So I'd put Balor/Sheamus around even. If Devlin goes onto have a Balor/Becky-level run on the main roster, he'll have a case as regularly selling out stadiums over here, putting Irish wrestling on the world stage and being pivotal in the launch of the NXT UK brand are already big achievements.

It's amazing we as Irish wrestling fans are having this conversation about the huge success three wrestlers have had over the past ten years. I mean in my wildest dreams did I(and sure I'm not alone) think a Irish wretler would be world champion multiple times and that a female Irish wrestler would be part of the first women's main event at wrestle mania.

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Today is the 14th anniversary of the death of Eddie Guerrero. I remember the sunday night going onto the internet and and wwe.com and seeing that picture. And I know the WWE network has music edits and other edits. Some I understand but the fact that amazing tribute video was dubbed annoyed me.

i still remember being in my friends playing smackdown vs raw and my dad ringing me to tell me he seen it on the news

I think even to this day Eddie's death may be the only celebrity death that really crushed me...



He was such an entertainer.

20 years ? I feel bloody old and I'm not. I can still remember on the raw the next night the "cops" questioning the rock and he ripping the piss out of them as only 1999 rock could do.

Riddle101 wrote: »

Funny enough I was watching old clips of Eddie Guerrero the other day from when he was with Chyna back in 2000. That was a fun little storyline he was in, and it got him over huge with the fans.

I remember that storyline being great. Fu*king hell Chyna looked amazing around then. Her finest and I do belive her Backlash 2000 appearance was jaw dropping :pac:

Shame about Eddy tho. He'd only be 52. That would still be too young to die let alone 38!

Was John cena and his long run in WWE on top the best and worst thing that's happened to WWE ?

I say that because years after he's left WWE and is not on WWE TV the WWE have tried to get the next cena and haven't found someone to fill that spot. Roman reigns had a chance if WWE hadn't made a complete balls up and make the crowd not care. Seth Rollins needs to go away as I can't stand him on camera and his social media crap.

So if cena hadn't been on top in WWE would they be in a Better position today ?

J. Marston wrote: »

The sooner AJ dumps the bald deadweights, the better.

Strange way to describe cm punk but I completely agree nonetheless!

Deleted User wrote: »

Next step would be to see about getting a frame for it, so I can wall mount it and make it look pretty.

Can't put it around your waist or put it on your shoulder to pretend you're the champion then

I've done many a drunken spit-take with my Triple H plated World Heavyweight Title, mostly egged on by others I swear not because I really wanted to.....:pac:

MMyers wrote: »

Random thought, why are Demolition not in wwe hall of fame? Also I miss 3 minute warning.

I think they're part of a class action suit against the company. That's why New Day beat their record.

I loved 3MW myself, them hitting Smackdown and obliterating Chuck and Billy was legit one of my favourite invasions ever. RIP to both of them.