Gaelic games in relation to Covid.

circadian · 15-10-2020 2:42pm

political analyst · 15-10-2020 2:45pm

boardlady wrote: »

I get your point - you have stated it a few times now. Gaelic games mean a lot to a lot of people. Why couldn't pub fans do without it for one year? Holiday fans? Fans of their elderly parents? Different strokes for different folks. Nobody wants to do without that which makes them happy. And if the powers that be tell us you are free to attend matches/ go to the pub/ visit your parents, then that is what we will do. We have done without plenty so are not going to forego that which is 'allowed'. GAA games are now stopped again and so are 'not allowed'. And those who are big fans will mourn their loss.

You can't equate following Gaelic games with people's relationships with their relatives.

Thelonious Monk · 15-10-2020 2:56pm

Can't stand the GAA but there's not much point singling them out for covid cases with everything else that is going on. It's an institution that many rely on for health and fitness and community and all that jazz, so getting it up and running somewhat was important. People are just people and many can't adapt fully to these new restrictions.
Everyone keeps trying to blame someone else for all this, remember the American tourists that were going around Ireland infecting everyone? Are they still a thing?

mountgomery burns · 15-10-2020 2:59pm

If you didn't resume the games you would not have been able to resume a lot of other sports.

This could equate to a few million people not having organized sporting activity for them. Aside from the fundamental benefits of sport, this in turn would have had an impact on the virus spread.

People would have had to congregate in different ways and while they wouldn't all do so in settings that would promote a greater risk of spreading the virus, plenty would. And what's more they would have congregated in these settings more often than if they did not have sport.

There was an outbreak of 20 people in Tullamore linked to a golfing trip. The act of playing golf had nothing to do with it, it was the interactions while not on the golf course. Same applies to GAA and all other sports.

boetstark · 15-10-2020 3:10pm

the kelt wrote: »

Why are you focussing on just the GAA though?

Why not ask the question as to why was any sport back for that matter? Why is soccer back? Rugby? Hockey?

Are people really naive enough to believe had other sports and teams etc progressed to the situation where finals were being played and cups were being won that the same issues werent going to arise?

You can claim all ye like about not targetting the GAA yet you started a thread specifically targeting Gaelic Games!

From memory there was a desperation for all groups to have sport back, not just GAA

The other sports did not sulk like spoiled brats over allowing spectators. It was never good enough to just allow games resume. They GAA had a strop because they wanted spectators. Then they wanted an increase to 500 spectators, now see where we are.
In limerick there has been no social distancing in grounds and feck all done about it by organisers.
Rugby teams have been playing without spectators and without the kind of ****e we see during and after amateur GAA matches.
The GAA stepped up big time during lockdown but I feel they left themselves down since then.

hmmm · 15-10-2020 3:20pm

In part response to the OP, I think a lot of rural areas had very little experience of the virus - it was seen as largely an urban/city thing. The GAA is a huge part of the local society, so they thought there was very little risk.

Unfortunately it only takes one infected person in an indoor location to set off a string of cases. People had left their guard down and it spread rapidly.

https://twitter.com/AchillDoc/status/1316093863220645894

dundalkfc10 · 15-10-2020 3:41pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

How do you propose the GAA controls people outside the stadium??

Playing players waiting on Covid tests but been allowed play (as clubs didnt read rules thye claim), teams bringing players home from abroad for games, GAA clubhouses open for partys after Champ wins have nothing to do with outside the stadium. Roscommon squad all going for a meal after a game which is not allowed.

Thats a GAA matter to deal with all on their watch and so far they have failed (as a result all club games are suspended)

ronin88 · 15-10-2020 4:27pm

Why are people singling out the GAA? It's up to the government to stop sports.

Imagine if the government allowed sport but the GAA refused to open their gates, imagine the uproar from every community.

It's the governments responsibility to govern. That's their job, if everyone could be relied upon to do their part then we won't need policing. It's a silly argument .

I don't understand how sport is being considered safe right now with the growing cases, of course mingling with 20 other people from different households/work places is going to further the spread. But to single out an organisation for operating when they were allowed to is nonsense.

Zebra3 · 15-10-2020 7:52pm

ronin88 wrote: »

Why are people singling out the GAA? It's up to the government to stop sports.

Imagine if the government allowed sport but the GAA refused to open their gates, imagine the uproar from every community.

It's the governments responsibility to govern. That's their job, if everyone could be relied upon to do their part then we won't need policing. It's a silly argument .

I don't understand how sport is being considered safe right now with the growing cases, of course mingling with 20 other people from different households/work places is going to further the spread. But to single out an organisation for operating when they were allowed to is nonsense.

Do you have dundalkfc10 on ignore?

cannotlogin · 15-10-2020 8:04pm

Huge GAA fan & season ticket club holder for the last number of years. Miss going to games hugely.

That said, fully believe no matches should have been played this year, completely an unnecessary and none essential activity and the gaa have significant cash reserves, have a complete monopoly in terms of pricing, can increased ticket/membership prices in future to put towards some of this year's cash losses. People will moan about it if it happened but most will still pay.

Why are people singling out the gaa as opposed to other sports? Well, because the outbreaks tally with club games in multiple areas whereas we haven't seen the same in other sports here.

mountgomery burns · 15-10-2020 8:06pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Thats a GAA matter to deal with all on their watch and so far they have failed (as a result all club games are suspended)

Is that not dealing with it given all this has happened in the last couple of weeks?

The Dungarvan thing was reprehensible, I would be shocked if there is not a hard sanction on it. But they're still investigating exactly what occurred.

expectationlost · 15-10-2020 8:07pm

The Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) is Ireland’s largest sporting organisation. It is celebrated as one of the great amateur sporting associations in the world.

It is part of the Irish consciousness and plays an influential role in Irish society that extends far beyond the basic aim of promoting Gaelic games.

https://www.gaa.ie/the-gaa/about-the-gaa/

circadian · 16-10-2020 10:18am

circadian wrote: »

Alright so here goes;

Football;
County|Date|LEA|14 day rate per 100k
Meath|4th October|Ratoath|141.1
Cavan|3rd October|Ballyjamesduff|147.3
Galway|4th October|Conamara South|28.1
Tipperary|27th September|Clonmel|41.1
Kildare|4th October|Athy|82.9
Dublin|17th September|Dún Laoghaire|124.9
Hurling;
County|Date|LEA|14 day rate per 100k
Clare|27th September|Shannon|98.7
Cork|4th October|Cork City South-East|93.5
Galway|4th October|Gort|102.1
Kilkenny|27th September|Callan|35.5
Limerick|20th September|Limerick City North|138.3
Tipperary|20th September|Roscrea|48.2
Waterford|30th August|Waterford City East|21.8
Wexford|23 August|Wexford|17.2Some of these LEAs are bordering ones with much higher rates. I'd imagine looking at this it's a combination of poor adherence to the guidelines but also spread was slowly creeping near the end of August already. If these events happened in June or July I'd suspect that it wouldn't have been as serious. Looking at the data for Waterford and Wexford they had their finals much earlier than most and have largely avoided any significant rise in cases.

Sonny678 · 19-10-2020 4:38pm

This is a recorded interview below of louth senior captain on radio yestersday after louths league game v Cork. He is very critical of the GAA and the handling of everything so regard the virus.

https://twitter.com/LMFMRADIO/status...08010330411009

He said basically he cannot understand how with cases going up how GAA think the GAA players are immune to this. He said there is lot of the louth players who are teachers, allot of the Louth players are living at home with elderly parents. He siad It doesnt make any sense what the GAA are doing. He said allot of former players seem to be driving the push for a championship , he said they are writing articles and have there TV gigs. He said there was no testing at all , he cannot un-derstand this , on the Louth panel no one has being tested. He says every team should be tested before the league started. He says if they did this it would take pressure of and ease the players minds becauase they are worried. He says if someone gets postive in next week, the players are going all over louth and back to Cork. He cannot understand zero testing in the GAA. The radio pre-senter said in response he was shocked also to hear there has been no testing of the louth players. The louth captain responded by saying people say its not coming from GAA teams , he says if players are not tested you wouldnt get positive tests. He said hopefully with the GPA results survey that will get the players voice out there. He says players have to be tested, but there has be no testing. He said even some testing has to done. He said its not right, its not right to put this burden on ama-teur players. He said the GAA players are not professionals like rugby players and professional soc-cer players. They can go into bubbles and they get paid. He said GAA players are amateurs. He said player have day to day jobs and are mingling with everyone else in places like shops, GAA players are not in a bubble.
Bevan Duffy louth senior captain was talking to LMFM radio.
Theres is allot of rumours going around allot of the counties especially top counties in hurling and football or not testing their players before training or matches. From the Louth Captain his team have not got any testing. If your going championship you have to be testing the players if not its recipe for disaster. Soccer and rugby players are in bubbles and tested very regularly.

According to the irish times today it said that one government minister said to them thaat“The GAA cham-pionship should be called off,” said a government Minister. “This is an exceptional situation for am-ateur players. You cannot have people in their own bubbles at the weekend and then working as plumbers or doctors on Monday.”
The rumours are cabinet is split on GAA championship, it could be called be off or it could go ahead. Will find out later this evening.

The GAA championship should be cancelled, to play an All Ireland championship in the second wave of pandemic is madness and very reckless.

ShineOn7 · 19-10-2020 4:55pm

Will Irish kids still be allowed to GAA train among each other when we go to Level 4.5/Level 5?

If they are, what's the fcuking point of any GAA restrictions?

These kids will get it off each other and then Asymptomatically spread it to adults

BPKS · 19-10-2020 5:04pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Will Irish kids still be allowed to GAA train among each other when we go to Level 4.5/Level 5?

If they are, what's the fcuking point of any GAA restrictions?

These kids will get it off each other and then Asymptomatically spread it to adults

They wont be allowed to train.

Only GAA activity will be inter-county teams and this activity will decrease over the proposed 6 week lockdown period as teams get knocked out.

ShineOn7 · 19-10-2020 5:09pm

BPKS wrote: »

They wont be allowed to train.

Only GAA activity will be inter-county teams and this activity will decrease over the proposed 6 week lockdown period as teams get knocked out.

Thanks for the reply

So inter-county teams = adults only?

ShineOn7 · 19-10-2020 5:30pm

Just in

Looks like they're going to let kids spread this among themselves when training

https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1318214119116427265

terenc · 19-10-2020 5:49pm

Who the f*ck do the GAA board think they are (demi-gods ) time for this government to pull the plug and stop these games taken place. A board of super virus spreaders and the players need to cop on and place the health of the first nation before a game of ball.

BPKS · 19-10-2020 6:06pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Just in

Looks like they're going to let kids spread this among themselves when training

https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1318214119116427265

Our county board has informed clubs that all training is to cease and no club activity again until 2021 at the earliest.

And to answer your other question, minor (u'17) competitions are due to take place but I wouldn't be surprised to see them binned. U'20 has one game left on this weekend I think.

PTH2009 · 19-10-2020 6:06pm

terenc wrote: »

Who the f*ck do the GAA board think they are (demi-gods ) time for this government to pull the plug and stop these games taken place. A board of super virus spreaders and the players need to cop on and place the health of the first nation before a game of ball.

IRFU and FAI are continuing too

Is what it is, don't watch any sport if you don't agree with it. Plenty of us happy to have it too lift the mood

noddyone2 · 19-10-2020 6:07pm

God forbid that anyone in Gov. would upset th GAA

19-10-2020 6:09pm

If you end up with things like only 10 being able to go to a funeral or people not being able to work and the GAA continue with this then they’re a disgrace. From the summoning of NPHET to explain themselves to the refusal to properly police small crowds of spectators, they’ve come out of all this looking a shadow of the organisation they once were.

Thierry12 · 19-10-2020 6:10pm

How can this go ahead, honestly

A bunch of plumbers, carpenters and office workers running around with sticks, they are not elite level athletes.

It's an amateur sport.

Happyilylost · 19-10-2020 6:11pm

terenc wrote:

Who the f*ck do the GAA board think they are (demi-gods ) time for this government to pull the plug and stop these games taken place. A board of super virus spreaders and the players need to cop on and place the health of the first nation before a game of ball.

Why is this line continually spouted? Demi Gods horse s**t. The GOVERNMENT want GAA to continue. Why are they allowing it within level 5 if they didn't want it? Or even worse again the Government and NPHET have actually changed the restrictions of level 4 and 5 to ensure the GAA can continue? If you can post a link where the GAA have asked or requested any special exemptions during this pandemic I would love to read it. Government set the rules us mere mortals just follow them. Leave the demi God characters for you TV in the evening.

Zebra3 · 19-10-2020 6:23pm

Happyilylost wrote: »

Why is this line continually spouted? Demi Gods horse s**t. The GOVERNMENT want GAA to continue. Why are they allowing it within level 5 if they didn't want it? Or even worse again the Government and NPHET have actually changed the restrictions of level 4 and 5 to ensure the GAA can continue? If you can post a link where the GAA have asked or requested any special exemptions during this pandemic I would love to read it. Government set the rules us mere mortals just follow them. Leave the demi God characters for you TV in the evening.

Did you listen to that interview with the lad from Louth?

Outrageous way to treat amateur players.

Happyilylost · 19-10-2020 6:27pm

Zebra3 wrote:

Did you listen to that interview with the lad from Louth?

Zebra3 wrote:

Outrageous way to treat amateur players.

Completely. Testing should be regular of every county panel if they want this to continue. Which I believe it shouldn't. Doesn't change that this proceeding is government led and not GAA led.

secman · 19-10-2020 6:43pm

These "elite" players are amateurs who all have full time jobs/careers, they are not being tested much or at all. They are not to be confused with professional athletes who are in proper bubbles and are fully engulfed in a testing regime. Laughable really, remember its not that long ago that a very senior GAA officer summoned the Chief medical officer to stand before the GAA and explain himself !

mr_edge_to_you · 19-10-2020 6:49pm

Ah but what about mental health?

For the record I think its an absolure farce that GAA activity is continuing.

PTH2009 · 19-10-2020 7:17pm

great view on it, as crazy as it sounds GAA/sport been on helps with Mental health (certainly does for me anyway)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4BK3tVJk5E

19-10-2020 7:21pm

“Mental health” in 2020 = whatever I like should be allowed.

Just one big excuse for everything.

Zebra3 · 19-10-2020 7:27pm

Happyilylost wrote: »

Completely. Testing should be regular of every county panel if they want this to continue. Which I believe it shouldn't. Doesn't change that this proceeding is government led and not GAA led.

The GAA has a responsibility to its' players to look after their welfare.

As do all sporting associations.

No hiding behind the guberment on this one.

noserider · 19-10-2020 7:35pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/LMFMRADIO/status/1318108010330411009

mr_edge_to_you · 19-10-2020 7:55pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

great view on it, as crazy as it sounds GAA/sport been on helps with Mental health (certainly does for me anyway)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4BK3tVJk5E

Personally, my mental health is better served by minimising the risk of spreading the virus, proper enforcement of the restrictions both of which allow me get back to work and provide for my family and not have to defer payments on my mortgage.

PTH2009 · 19-10-2020 8:08pm

mr_edge_to_you wrote: »

Personally, my mental health is better served by minimising the risk of spreading the virus, proper enforcement of the restrictions both of which allow me get back to work and provide for my family and not have to defer payments on my mortgage.

everyone is different and i hope you all the best in your struggles

terenc · 20-10-2020 10:17am

Colm O Rourkes look of disbelief when Claire Byrne informed the country of the latest poll on how the people of this country believed the GAA should deal with their football games showed just how far these people are out of step with the rest of the population and then to spout on about the national game , what about the national health and how many of these players went to work the next day with no testing and maybe the Garda stopping you could have possibly been an inter county player the previous . The GAA have done enough damage and this government still sits back and allows these games to take place.

theoneeyedman · 20-10-2020 10:20am

terenc wrote: »

Colm O Rourkes look of disbelief when Claire Byrne informed the country of the latest referendum on how the people of this country believed the GAA should deal with their football games showed just how far these people are out of step with the rest of the population and then to spout on about the national game , what about the national health and how many of these players went to work the next day with no testing and maybe the Garda stopping you could have possibly been an inter county player the previous . The GAA have done enough damage and this government still sits back and allows these games to take place.

There was a referendum? Really?
Thought it was just a poll on a TV show, on a channel that has a huge market based around misery/fear/death.

Who knew....

Macy0161 · 20-10-2020 10:42am

Happyilylost wrote: »

Doesn't change that this proceeding is government led and not GAA led.

I think it's very much GAA led that their amateur sports people are classified as "elite" sportspeople.

Could you imagine the outcry if Rugby and Football continued (football is just closing out the season at this stage, rather than starting), and GAA was not?

Government led? Give me a break.

thelad95 · 20-10-2020 11:20am

You only have to see the difference in physique between GAA players who go down under to play AFL professionally and our resident GAA players to see very quickly that GAA players are not truly elite athletes. Bearing in mind the rules are really not too dissimilar with the exception of a tackle in AFL.

No disrespect to GAA players in saying that it just goes to show how much of a superiority complex the GAA has.

HBC08 · 20-10-2020 11:24am

political analyst wrote: »

The point is: why couldn't Gaelic fans do without it for one year? After all, that's what Britain did with Wimbledon - and also many non-sporting events.

I couldn't give a fook what Britain did and we shouldn't be looking to them on how to handle C19.

tobefrank321 · 20-10-2020 12:11pm

This should have just declared the winners of the National League AI champions.

There are a lot of pointless games in the All Ireland and provincial series particularly in football involving teams that have no hope of winning Sam Maguire. Pointless games that only endanger public health.

ChikiChiki · 20-10-2020 12:16pm

Inter county going a head is nothing short of bat **** insane at this point and it is a pipe dream to think all fixtures will be fulfilled.

Utterly pointless.

Happyilylost · 20-10-2020 1:37pm

thelad95 wrote:

You only have to see the difference in physique between GAA players who go down under to play AFL professionally and our resident GAA players to see very quickly that GAA players are not truly elite athletes. Bearing in mind the rules are really not too dissimilar with the exception of a tackle in AFL.

Same Aussies Ireland play in the compromise rules? Same Aussie players who state their is very little difference between their levels and the GAA? Only adjustment is majority of times the players heading to Australia are out of Minor/U20 age group and their bodies are still maturing.

Happyilylost · 20-10-2020 1:38pm

Macy0161 wrote:

Government led? Give me a break.

Let the government shut it down then. Simples.

Cilldara_2000 · 20-10-2020 1:41pm

thelad95 wrote: »

You only have to see the difference in physique between GAA players who go down under to play AFL professionally and our resident GAA players to see very quickly that GAA players are not truly elite athletes. Bearing in mind the rules are really not too dissimilar with the exception of a tackle in AFL.

No disrespect to GAA players in saying that it just goes to show how much of a superiority complex the GAA has.

g'way outta that.

https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/celebs/gallery/ireland-2018-limerick-left-corner-13096948

DeanAustin · 20-10-2020 1:59pm

I've no interest at all in GAA and wouldn't watch it if it was on in by back garden but I think this is a good move if they can do it safely. At the moment, the highlight of my week is watching the Premier League. I'm genuinely looking forward to the games despite being a Spurs fan and it's one of the few pleasures in life that allows me to escape the monotony that each week has become.

If the GAA can do the same for a million people or however many follow it, I think it should happen. The caveat is obviously that they can do it safely but it sounds like NPHET and the government were keen for this to happen and they're the experts so let's see how it pans out.

Rather than all assuming that there is some Machiavellian chicanery going on here, could we not just take the politicians, the medical people and the GAA at face value and assume that they are doing this for what they believe to be the good of the country and it's people.

If it goes horribly wrong, there will be time for recriminations afterwards.

ShineOn7 · 21-10-2020 7:46pm

Is it true the recent large Meath spike is down to GAA idiots?

Why are they till allowing kids train among each other in Level 5? They're playing the usual "mental health" card?

21-10-2020 7:48pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Is it true the recent large Meath spike is down to GAA idiots?

Why are they till allowing kids train among each other in Level 5? They're playing the usual "mental health" card?

Yep a pile of the Meath stuff was from the county final and a complete disregard for any regulations during or after the game.

terenc · 21-10-2020 9:40pm

Would you expect any other out come when dealing with an organisation who are blinkered when it comes to their own importance and Colm O Rourke is a prime example of that. Time for them to cop on and maybe time for this government to grow some balls and take on the bullies.

Happyilylost · 21-10-2020 10:12pm

ShineOn7 wrote:

Why are they till allowing kids train among each other in Level 5? They're playing the usual "mental health" card?

So you want young kids to go to school with their friends for hours on end in an enclosed classroom but not go running around in the evening with the same friends in a much safer outdoor setting? Catch yourself on.

Gaelic games in relation to Covid.

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