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Fr McVerry supporting lessons in how to occupy properties

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  • #52
    [Deleted User]
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    I can think of loads of harmless reasons to 'illegally enter someone's property', to say it's never right is a bit naive. Now if there's someone living there it's a no go obviously but there are plenty of long vacant or extensive properties out there where it's harmless. Did you never kick a ball over the wall as a child? Take a shortcut while out walking? Go camping?

    In those situations, one isn’t illegally occupying the premises.


  • #53
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    n!ghtmancometh wrote: »
    People have some nerve criticising Peter McVerry. He does more work to help vulnerable people in one day than any of the whingers here will do in their lifetime. He sees the reality of the housing problem and the hugely negative impact it's having currently, and the damage it is causing young children now which will have severe repercussions in the future, day in and day out. Unbelievably selfish attitude most of ye have. Not surprising though.

    And his company get paid handsomely for it.


  • #54
    TheBoyConor
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    Exaclty. It's all overblow imo.

    There are large amounts of people "homeless" but are living in their parents or siblings homes or in some cases with a friend and are probably paying something towards it. Yet they are registered as homeless in an attempt to get another notch up the housing list.

    Then you have the long term street homeless, ie they are genuinely homeless but their not having a roof over their heads is not their primary problem. Their homlessness is a consequence of a whole host of things like drug addictions, alcoholism, mental health issues, etc etc. You could put them in a brand new semi D in a leafy suburb but they'd probably be sleeping in a doorway again within a few weeks because they don't want to be there because for any number of reasons, eg they fear their drug dealer to whom they owe money will come for them there, the house gets overrun with other junkies or whinos they have to get away from or they flood/burn down the house while whacked out of their heads.

    In reality the number of genuinely homeless but hard working decent honest people is actually quite modest by comparison. They are a minority of the total homeless number.

    And that is because for most hard working ambitious people, if they cannot get a home they simply move away to where there are better opportunities whether that is to to another city, county or country and they are adult enough to fend for and look after themselves.

    These "occupations" are just the usual mixture of social justice warriors like Fr McVerry & Fergus Finlay, champagne socialists like Claire Daly and Rich Boy Barrett and plain old crusties who will get on any band wagon going as long as there is a "stick it to the man" element to it.


  • #55
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Jensen White Robot wrote: »
    I agree fully but I don't agree with people breaking the law to do it, or to sneer "rightwingers" at those with this view.
    .

    Breaking the law without hurting anyone is a time honoured form of protest. It's good to see young people engaging in this subject matter.

    Rightwingers in my experience have no solutions to issues such as this, they usually trot out the same old tropes complaining about "protestors who live off the backs of working people etc." The students in this matter have a legitimate cause to protest.


  • #56
    _Brian
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    so landlords can't make any profit, at all? Or is it more that they aren't making enough profit? How big a profit should they be making? I saw a thread there a few months ago where some guy put up theoretical numbers to claim you couldn't make a profit renting out..ignoring the fact that the rent was also paying off the mortgage

    You see, any other business person and nobody cares that the business pays off the assets and they make a healthy profit.

    People can protest all they want and scorn at landlords wanting to make a profit, but when less and less landlords are attracted to the rental business it means a less and less functioning rental sector which drives the remaining rents up.

    I know where I live there were always houses available but as the profits became less and less houses that had been rented for decades were sold off into private ownership, plus the population has increased. Now when a house comes available there’s a scramble as there is no supply.
    If it were sufficiently profitable there would be more properties available and with more units rents would settle to a more sustainable level.


  • #57
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    The housing crisis at at such a point that I support these occupations, as long as they are not forcing anyone out or damaging the occupied property.

    I have expertise in housing and planning policy so I actually know what I'm talking about. Dublin in particular has a housing emergency. Desperate times call for desperate action.

    There should ve a tax on vacant residential properties to put them back into use like in Holland and Denmark. we also need a huge social housing programne. It's pathetic and disingenous of Leo V and Eoghan Murphy deeming houses costing €320k in Dublin as "affordable."

    This is a direct insult to the intelligence of an entire generation locked out of securing their long term housing needs. This neo-liberal Thatcherite free market ideology has utterly failed and the consequences are there for all to see.

    Have you a costing for this large social house build and where the money will come from?

    I await your answer like I have for weeks now and no one can give any figures.

    Ah shurre just build da houses riiight.


  • #58
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Breaking the law without hurting anyone is a time honoured form of protest. It's good to see young people engaging in this subject matter.

    Rightwingers in my experience have no solutions to issues such as this, they usually trot out the same old tropes complaining about "protestors who live off the backs of working people etc." The students in this matter have a legitimate cause to protest.
    Other forms of protest would be a solution obviously. And not blocking people from going home after a day's work to their families, not having to organise babysitting (If available). There was a disgusting reverse snobbish attitude towards such folk - "sher who cares about those folk for having the nerve to be middle class."

    Also, why is it ok to break into someone else's private property that they worked hard for? It shouldn't be left vacant but people shouldn't break into it either.


  • #59
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    n!ghtmancometh wrote: »
    People have some nerve criticising Peter McVerry. He does more work to help vulnerable people in one day than any of the whingers here will do in their lifetime. He sees the reality of the housing problem and the hugely negative impact it's having currently, and the damage it is causing young children now which will have severe repercussions in the future, day in and day out. Unbelievably selfish attitude most of ye have. Not surprising though.

    So, it’s ok to break into uninhabitable properties and refuse to leave? Would these properties be acceptable to homeless people if they were offered by Fr McVerry or any homeless organisation?

    It’s ok to teach people how to break into these dwellings and teach them how to avoid eviction?

    WOW.


  • #60
    riffmongous
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    In those situations, one isn’t illegally occupying the premises.

    You said enter


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  • #61
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Jensen White Robot wrote: »
    Other forms of protest would be a solution obviously. And not blocking people from going home after a day's work to their families, not having to organise babysitting (If available). There was a disgusting reverse snobbish towards such folk - "sher who cares about those folk for having the nerve to be middle class."
    Most of the protestors look to be middle class. They're protesting about being priced out of living in their own city due to extortionately high rent and property prices. That's what I think this is about rather than homelessness, which is a fair point of protest in any case.


  • #62
    mikhail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    riffmongous wrote: »
    You said enter
    It seems pretty clear what the poster meant. Shall we continue with the pedantry, or can we accept that their initial post was imprecisely written?


  • #63
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Jensen White Robot wrote: »
    Also, why is it ok to break into someone else's private property that they worked hard for?

    Would it be less unacceptable if they hadn't worked hard for it?


  • #64
    [Deleted User]
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    mikhail wrote: »
    It seems pretty clear what the poster meant. Shall we continue with the pedantry, or can we accept that their initial post was imprecisely written?

    I think it’s my lack of education coming out! I was too busy working for my living!


  • #65
    riffmongous
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    _Brian wrote: »
    You see, any other business person and nobody cares that the business pays off the assets and they make a healthy profit.

    People can protest all they want and scorn at landlords wanting to make a profit, but when less and less landlords are attracted to the rental business it means a less and less functioning rental sector which drives the remaining rents up.

    I know where I live there were always houses available but as the profits became less and less houses that had been rented for decades were sold off into private ownership, plus the population has increased. Now when a house comes available there’s a scramble as there is no supply.
    If it were sufficiently profitable there would be more properties available and with more units rents would settle to a more sustainable level.
    What is a healthy profit though? And associated risk? Thats the question and if people have an overexpectation of what they are going to make that's not going to work out well for anyone


  • #66
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    mikhail wrote: »
    It seems pretty clear what the poster meant. Shall we continue with the pedantry, or can we accept that their initial post was imprecisely written?

    Up to you, if you don't quote it I won't reply


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  • #67
    MFPM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭MFPM


    TheBoyConor wrote: »
    It's all overblow imo.

    Thank you for your opinion but do try not to confuse your 'opinion' with facts.
    There are large amounts of people "homeless" but are living in their parents or siblings homes or in some cases with a friend and are probably paying something towards it. Yet they are registered as homeless in an attempt to get another notch up the housing list.

    They are not, that's the point that has been made ad nausea about the homeless figures, they are understated not overstated as you seem to imply.
    Then you have the long term street homeless, ie they are genuinely homeless but their not having a roof over their heads is not their primary problem. Their homlessness is a consequence of a whole host of things like drug addictions, alcoholism, mental health issues, etc etc.

    The issues are clearly connected but the non housing problems they face is not an excuse to leave them on the street!
    You could put them in a brand new semi D in a leafy suburb but they'd probably be sleeping in a doorway again within a few weeks because they don't want to be there because for any number of reasons, eg they fear their drug dealer to whom they owe money will come for them there, the house gets overrun with other junkies or whinos they have to get away from or they flood/burn down the house while whacked out of their heads.

    What charming, humane language. You do know that not every one who is homeless is a 'junkie' and they don't all own money to drug dealers.
    In reality the number of genuinely homeless but hard working decent honest people is actually quite modest by comparison. They are a minority of the total homeless number.

    Do enlighten us with figures?
    And that is because for most hard working ambitious people, if they cannot get a home they simply move away to where there are better opportunities whether that is to to another city, county or country and they are adult enough to fend for and look after themselves.

    You're big on generalities aren't you - I suppose it's easy to hide behind them. Take a trip to London sometime and talk to the Irish homeless on the streets there or take a trip to Dublin and talk to some of the Polish lads who've ended up homeless.....the ambition of these sets of people clearly didn't save them from homeless as you seem to imply it would.
    These "occupations" are just the usual mixture of social justice warriors like Fr McVerry & Fergus Finlay, champagne socialists like Claire Daly and Rich Boy Barrett and plain old crusties who will get on any band wagon going as long as there is a "stick it to the man" element to it

    And finally the mask slips fully....more generalisations again...p.s. it's Clare Daly no 'i', accuracy not your strong point either


  • #68
    Hitman3000
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    love the free house bs that is thrown out here by the usual crowd of.....


  • #69
    BPKS
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    Discodog wrote: »
    The reason there's a housing crisis is because the majority have a home & don't give a damn for those who don't. The same applies to health care.

    It must be desperately upsetting for those that care, like McVerry, seeing the problem getting worse not better.

    The majority of that majority burst their asses getting educated and employment in order to afford a mortgage and also afford to pay into the social welfare fund for those who didnt bother bursting their asses getting educated or employed.


  • #70
    Graces7
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    Jensen White Robot wrote: »
    I actually don't. I've huge respect for him - he gave up a comfortable life and actually DID something for people rather than bitch about other people not doing something. He sacrificed so much for decades, and for the genuinely needy. Horrific stories of people being neglected as children and ending up on the streets.

    But I agree this is disappointing crap by him.

    Sacrificed what ? did what? He has free housing, a good salary. It has all been empty talk. Had be need seriou s and sincere he would have shamed his church into giving up some of their vast empty buildings that are still lying vacant..


  • #71
    Graces7
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    BPKS wrote: »
    McVerry's employers (the people who paid his salary, gave him free board and transport for decades) have thousands more unoccupied properties around the country than any of these landlords.

    Indeed yes.


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  • #72
    MFPM
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    BPKS wrote: »
    The majority of that majority burst their asses getting educated and employment in order to afford a mortgage and also afford to pay into the social welfare fund for those who didnt bother bursting their asses getting educated or employed.

    Is that simple is it - the lazy versus the non lazy? Do you apply such binary analysis to everything in life?


  • #73
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Sacrificed what ? did what?
    Wow, you really do enjoy pretending not to understand stuff for the craic.

    Look him up i suppose?


  • #74
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    love the free house bs that is thrown out here by the usual crowd of.....

    I remember you were all over the ms cash thread defending her and saying let’s not jump to conclusions.

    You vanished after around page 3 of the thread.


  • #75
    Loves_lorries
    Site Banned Posts: 272 ✭✭Loves_lorries


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    I heard him this morning saying they need to occcupy 50 or a 100 houses because the gards can’t evict all of them at the same time.

    Sick of him and his sniggering attitude to anyone who disagrees with him.

    Makes people who own a property feel guilty for not handing it to some homeless person.

    Not to mention his ceo on a 100k a year.

    To be homest I find him a bit of a well I can’t say it here..

    Maybe his beloved Catholic Church might take some of the 200 billion they own and house the homeless.

    Used to admire the man but he comes across as a right demagogue this last few years, he also receives nothing but softball interviews which tells you all you need to know about the politics of rte and the Irish media.

    Much prefer brother who runs the capuchin Centre, best charity out there, no revolutionary political baggage.


  • #76
    Graces7
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    kneemos wrote: »
    Anybody on any kind of assisted accommodation counts as homeless I think,even if they have a flat or a house.

    They count those in hotels and hubs. Not those on eg HAP. If you have a house or aprtment you are not counted as homeless. If you ar staying with family then yes you are homeless.


  • #77
    riffmongous
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think it’s my lack of education coming out! I was too busy working for my living!

    Ok Mary, apologies if I took you up the wrong way! But there are people here who post that property rights are absolute, both legally and societaly, and I have no qualms with addressing that


  • #78
    Graces7
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    Jensen White Robot wrote: »
    Wow, you really do enjoy pretending not to understand stuff for the craic.

    Look him up i suppose?

    I know his career and my words stand. He has given up nothing. sacrificed nothing.


  • #79
    MFPM
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    Loves_lorries wrote: »
    Used to admire the man but he comes across as a right demagogue this last few years, he also receives nothing but softball interviews which tells you all you need to know about the politics of rte and the Irish media.

    Much prefer brother who runs the capuchin Centre, best charity out there, no revolutionary political baggage.
    he also receives nothing but softball interviews

    What you like him to be asked?
    which tells you all you need to know about the politics of rte and the Irish media.

    Does it, enlighten us? All the Irish media share a similar politics....intriguing?!!


  • #80
    _Brian
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    What is a healthy profit though? And associated risk? Thats the question and if people have an overexpectation of what they are going to make that's not going to work out well for anyone

    But it’s nobody’s business what the profit is of tue market is functioning, but it’s not functioning and so fewer units to rent drives rents up.

    The rental market must serve both landlords and tenants, trying to stack it so it only serves tenants turns landlords away, this has lost much of the rental stock and prevents landlords investing in more property.


  • #81
    BPKS
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    MFPM wrote: »
    Is that simple is it - the lazy versus the non lazy? Do you apply such binary analysis to everything in life?

    Of course its not that simple, but it certainly is a contributory factor.

    If you have spent your life watching the people all around you getting housing for little or nothing, weekly social welfare payments, monthly payment for every child they have, getting a medical card, back to school allowance and so on and so on, then why would they bother getting themselves into a situation where they could afford to pay out of their own pocket for education, a mortgage etc.


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  • #82
    Fr_Dougal
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    n!ghtmancometh wrote: »
    People have some nerve criticising Peter McVerry. He does more work to help vulnerable people in one day than any of the whingers here will do in their lifetime. He sees the reality of the housing problem and the hugely negative impact it's having currently, and the damage it is causing young children now which will have severe repercussions in the future, day in and day out. Unbelievably selfish attitude most of ye have. Not surprising though.

    I have helped fundraise for years for the Peter McVerry Trust, but I’m cutting all ties with them now because of this.

    Very disappointed with his comments, he has gone down a lot in my estimations, scumbag mentality.


  • #83
    Loves_lorries
    Site Banned Posts: 272 ✭✭Loves_lorries


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    The notion that landlords can make profits is ludicrous, they're just greedy for more.

    Rent is astronomical in Irish cities, it's scandalously extortionate and yet we have right wing mopes moaning about student protests.

    High Market rent becomes less seductive when you realise nowhere in Europe does it take longer to evict a rogue tenant and nowhere is there less sanction for tenants who go rogue.

    Some might say landlords price high so as to cushion against likely future non payers.


  • #84
    PlaneSpeeking
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    Smug gob****e. He's lost every last ounce of credibility now.

    Encouraging scumbag lawbreakers, how Christian of him.


  • #85
    Loves_lorries
    Site Banned Posts: 272 ✭✭Loves_lorries


    mikhail wrote: »
    I'm in broad agreement with their aims, but not their tactics. People like you, who associate left wing politics with half assed sit-in protests and disrespect for the rule of law, are why the left can't win a double digit percentage of Dail seats.

    Despite having such a pawltry Dail representation, the hard left receive a huge amount of media coverage.


  • #86
    riffmongous
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    _Brian wrote: »
    But it’s nobody’s business what the profit is of tue market is functioning, but it’s not functioning and so fewer units to rent drives rents up.

    The rental market must serve both landlords and tenants, trying to stack it so it only serves tenants turns landlords away, this has lost much of the rental stock and prevents landlords investing in more property.
    But renting is such a highly regulated area that it's not just as simple as the market driving the profit, and rightly so since we are talking about people's homes here. The government plays a large role in deciding the profit, also from the supply side.

    I do agree with your 2nd paragraph though, a proper balance is needed but the way things are now we are a long way from it, on both sides.


  • #87
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Graces7 wrote: »
    I know his career and my words stand. He has given up nothing. sacrificed nothing.
    Interesting when you're the one constantly preaching at people here to help others.

    He had a life of great privilege - well off family, big house, private school, universities, teaching job... and he gave it all up to help people on the streets, depending on fundraising, living in tough communities when he could have lived in a nice place and had a teaching job.

    And you have the gall to say he sacrificed nothing?! I can tell you he did a lot more for people in need than preaching on the internet.

    Surely he's the kind of person you'd look up to? What's your real issue with him?


  • #88
    NIMAN
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    People also need to realise that Dublin is now a major European capital city. Like Paris, Rome, Madrid, Berlin etc. It is very attractive to major employers and multi-nationals, and as a result we have tens of thousands more people looking for accommodation. This is turn drives up rent and house prices.

    If you think you are going to find nice houses for little money/rent, you are sadly mistaken. Those days are gone.


  • #89
    MFPM
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    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    Smug gob****e. He's lost every last ounce of credibility now.

    Encouraging scumbag lawbreakers, how Christian of him.

    I'd suggest you get yourself a history book, read it and then come back and edit or delete this idiotic sentence.


  • #90
    TheCitizen
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    Loves_lorries wrote: »
    High Market rent becomes less seductive when you realise nowhere in Europe does it take longer to evict a rogue tenant and nowhere is there less sanction for tenants who go rogue.

    Some might say landlords price high so as to cushion against likely future non payers.
    Nah, I'm not buying that at all. I know people who have property abroad and have had similar issues evicting rogue tenants. I don't have figures to hand but IIRC it costs similar to rent in Dublin as it does in cities like Paris. That just shouldn't be happening and if there are more rogue tenants on the go maybe that's as a reaction to the farcical rental and property prices in this country.

    Looks to be a bit of a chicken and egg situation but short sighted greed of landlords makes it difficult to break the cycle. They are the one's in position of the private market in Ireland are they going to do anything about the problem bar complain about rogue tenants and student protests?


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  • #91
    _Brian
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    Risk, Risk, Risk.
    Landlords are expected to hand over a €300-€500k asset to strangers with a €1500 deposit, the law is structured so tenants are safe to overstay and stop paying and probably get to stay for six months at this carry on, and then get the sympathy of every bleeding heart who listens.

    Then there is damage to property that needs to be repaired. Our local council have substantial empty property but much of that was left uninhabitable by previous tenants who likely were moved to another good house.

    If landlords are expected to take that risk the potential profits need to be substantial.


  • #92
    fxotoole
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    LOL at the right wingers on here that don't like the occupy stunt. I'm not totally in agreement with all of the tactics of the Take Back the City campaign myself but they're succeeding in highlighting the issue and the lack of action relating to it.

    Lol at the SJWs snowflakes who think those who think differently to them are right wingers


  • #93
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    NIMAN wrote: »
    People also need to realise that Dublin is now a major European capital city. Like Paris, Rome, Madrid, Berlin etc. It is very attractive to major employers and multi-nationals, and as a result we have tens of thousands more people looking for accommodation. This is turn drives up rent and house prices.

    If you think you are going to find nice houses for little money/rent, you are sadly mistaken. Those days are gone.
    :pac: Those days have been gone a long time. Do you think it should be as expensive to rent in damp Dublin as it is in Paris, Madrid, Berlin etc.?

    Seriously this is the sort of claptrap that leads to a situation where young professional people can't buy a house or end up spending all their money on renting a house in Dublin. Delusional, idiotic stuff.


  • #94
    NIMAN
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    :pac: Those days have been gone a long time. Do you think it should be as expensive to rent in damp Dublin as it is in Paris, Madrid, Berlin etc.?

    Seriously this is the sort of claptrap that leads to a situation where young professional people can't buy a house or end up spending all their money on renting a house in Dublin. Delusional, idiotic stuff.

    The simple economics of supply and demand do that.
    And what has the weather got to do with anything? (and you call me idiotic).
    Dublin is home to probably as many major employers as Paris, Madrid etc, so why shouldn't rent be as high?


  • #95
    wexie
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    The simple economics of supply and demand do that.

    I thought we weren't allowed talk about that?


  • #96
    TheCitizen
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    fxotoole wrote: »
    Lol at the SJWs snowflakes who think those who think differently to them are right wingers
    'Snowflake' and 'SJW' among the favourite tripe slurs of alt right lunatics and turgid right wing conservatives.

    The students in the Take the City Back campaign are making a valid point of protest. They're getting up of their asses and doing something about it to try to draw attention to the ridiculous cost of accommodation in this country. I always find it hilarious when alt right loons throw the 'snowflake' tag at someone who is actually trying to stand up for themselves and others.


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  • #97
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Jensen White Robot wrote: »
    Interesting when you're the one constantly preaching at people here to help others.

    He had a life of great privilege - well off family, big house, private school, universities, teaching job... and he gave it all up to help people on the streets, depending on fundraising, living in tough communities when he could have lived in a nice place and had a teaching job.

    And you have the gall to say he sacrificed nothing?! I can tell you he did a lot more for people in need than preaching on the internet.

    Surely he's the kind of person you'd look up to? What's your real issue with him?

    No, he decided he had a vocation to the priesthood, that is a high calling and a high honour that makes all that you have listed meaningless

    That was the vocation. Like hundreds of other men who became priests?

    Within the Catholic Church, the richest land and property owner in the country, that could house every last homeless person and not notice it. That has scores of empty properties.

    A priest is supposed to help folk. Period. Not a sacrifice but an honour.

    In fact he is all talk. Fine words, demanding money and houses off others rather than from his church. All hollow .
    Never once a real offer of help. And this is what he is doing now and inciting breaking the law to do it?


  • #98
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    NIMAN wrote: »
    The simple economics of supply and demand do that.
    And what has the weather got to do with anything?
    Dublin is home to probably as many major employers as Paris, Madrid etc, so why shouldn't rent be as high?

    Supply and demand is the kernel of the problem. The supply isn't there while property in prime areas of our towns an cities are left unoccupied and abandoned.

    Dublin is the capital city of a small country on the west of Europe, it should not cost the same in terms of accommodation to live in Dublin as it does in Paris etc., don't be ridiculous.


  • #99
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    MFPM wrote: »
    I'd suggest you get yourself a history book, read it and then come back and edit or delete this idiotic sentence.

    ? please explain


  • #100
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Graces7 wrote: »
    No, he decided he had a vocation to the priesthood, that is a high calling and a high honour that makes all that you have listed meaningless

    That was the vocation. Like hundreds of other men who became priests?

    Within the Catholic Church, the richest land and property owner in the country, that could house every last homeless person and not notice it. That has scores of empty properties.

    A priest is supposed to help folk. Period. Not a sacrifice but an honour.

    In fact he is all talk. Fine words, demanding money and houses off others rather than from his church. All hollow .
    Never once a real offer of help. And this is what he is doing now and inciting breaking the law to do it?
    No he is "in fact" not all talk. He has done a massive amount to help people, priest or not. And a heck of a lot more than you've ever done.

    Nasty as hell to downplay all he has done. And no doubt you'd use it to defend the Catholic church when it suits, being the super contrarian that you are.

    I disagree with him this time around but it doesn't change all the work he has done for many people.


  • #101
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    Most people don't want 'free houses' - they just want to be able to work and live in Dublin at an affordable cost.

    And therein lies the absolute fantasy.

    An average earner cannot, and should not be able to live in a premium area.

    Until the planning laws change and we can slap up some projects style tenement blocks, it will never be affordable for street sweepers and burger flippers to buy within the M50.


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