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When will they [The Government] tell us the truth about Covid?

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  • #152
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Overheal wrote: »
    Lies! Damn lies!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=sheep+with+muzzle&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

    https://www.google.com/search?q=people+with+sheep+masks&client=ms-android-motorola-gfw&prmd=insv&sxsrf=ALeKk03A4nxgdforUDGqFu-iXeqnciu_Mw:1596906069124&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6jfXXiozrAhU7XhUIHYsIAyQQ_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=360&bih=630#imgrc=KFxqunT_w4f0nM


  • #153
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Don2012 wrote: »
    So it was ok to insult and attack? Is that it?

    This thread originated in After Hours where you started this. This is a flippant, tongue in cheek style post.

    You replied to that post with an American video & then subsequently stated this isn't America.

    No more on this.


  • #154
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    King Mob wrote: »
    What's the obsession with muzzles?

    Presumably hes in to BDSM


  • #155
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Are you o wise one? And don't bring me RTE as your source.

    So how many people died in Ireland in 2018?


  • #156
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    No, people with ridiculous rubbish are.

    You came in with a video claiming it was proof . Then when challenged on the video and one loony in particular, youve ignored that and started other rubbish.

    Who are you to say it is ridiculous rubbish? People are allowed to have a different opinion, how dare you.
    Yes, did you watch that video of doctors and professionals??or is it just those professionals from the briefing you trust?


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  • #157
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Yes, did you watch that video of doctors and professionals??or is it just those professionals from the briefing you trust?
    But why should anyone believe random "doctors" from youtube?


  • #158
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Presumably hes in to BDSM

    You've a very sick twisted mind.


  • #159
    quickbeam
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Who are you to say it is ridiculous rubbish? People are allowed to have a different opinion, how dare you.
    Yes, did you watch that video of doctors and professionals??or is it just those professionals from the briefing you trust?

    Do you get the irony of that post? Of course people are allowed different opinions, including thinking a video is ridiculous rubbish.


  • #160
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Who are you to say it is ridiculous rubbish?
    Don2012 wrote: »
    People are allowed to have a different opinion, how dare you.

    I feel like you just answered yourself :o


  • #161
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    King Mob wrote: »
    But why should anyone believe random "doctors" from youtube?

    MSM will not give any doctors or professionals a platform if they go against the narrative. Many more throughout the world are speaking out but many are afraid.


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  • #162
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Don2012 wrote: »
    You've a very sick twisted mind.
    Could you clarify what you mean when you repeatedly used the term "Muzzles"?
    Are you refering to face masks as "Muzzles"?

    If so, why?


  • #163
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Don2012 wrote: »
    If you read back over the whole thread you'll see I have been insulted and attacked for having an opinion. Is there any rational thinkers on this forum??

    Your opinion is factually incorrect based on information that is verified and publicly available for anyone to see.

    You are unable to prove your opinions.

    You are wrong, but you're too stubborn to change your mind.
    Don2012 wrote: »
    MSM will not give any doctors or professionals a platform if they go against the narrative. Many more throughout the world are speaking out but many are afraid.

    Like this. Where's the evidence that mainstream media are suppressing verified factual evidence? Nowhere.
    Where is the evidence that medical professionals are scared to go against the narrative? Nowhere.

    There are tens of thousands of medical professionals and represented by hundreds of institutions. They're all saying the same thing. So either they're right, or there's a massive, coordinated worldwide conspiracy, which is ridiculous.


  • #164
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Don2012 wrote: »
    MSM will not give any doctors or professionals a platform if they go against the narrative. Many more throughout the world are speaking out but many are afraid.
    Ok, but the same can be said about various doctors and experts who believe and promote all kinds of nonsense.

    Why should we believe them?


  • #165
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Who are you to say it is ridiculous rubbish? People are allowed to have a different opinion, how dare you.
    Yes, did you watch that video of doctors and professionals??or is it just those professionals from the briefing you trust?

    Well another poster and myself did ask about the one that goes on about spirits riding them in their sleep and whatnot, but you ignored it and waffled about RTE and other ramblings.

    Thats the type of professional you're getting your stuff from.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114253299&postcount=16


    What about your "masks harm the immune system" rubbish?


  • #166
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Well another poster and myself did ask about the one that goes on about spirits riding them in their sleep and whatnot, but you ignored it and waffled about RTE and other ramblings.

    Thats the type of professional you're getting your stuff from.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114253299&postcount=16


    What about your "masks harm the immune system" rubbish?

    So your getting your sources from Harris and now Donnolly, two corrupt dishonest politicans who have not Irelands best interest at heart. Holohan up until a few weeks ago, is that the same Holohan was the chief officer, who was involved in the cervical scandals! Need to look into were you get your sources from.


  • #167
    ForstalDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    How would you feel if you wanted to post a thread in the hope to having a discussion with rational thinkers, only to be attacked and insulted by some kind of forum gang?? How is this even allowed?

    you attacked us, I have seen more insults from you than to you, You have posted 2 sources of ducious nature, not answrd any questions put to you

    Who is they
    How many are involved?

    you are unwilling to discuss unless it goes in your favour


  • #168
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    ForstalDave wrote: »
    you attacked us, I have seen more insults from you than to you, You have posted 2 sources of ducious nature, not answrd any questions put to you

    Who is they
    How many are involved?

    you are unwilling to discuss unless it goes in your favour

    Who do you think "they" are? Who gives you your daily feed of briefing? Daily updates on this all?


  • #169
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Don2012 wrote: »
    So your getting your sources from Harris and now Donnolly, two corrupt dishonest politicans who have not Irelands best interest at heart. Holohan up until a few weeks ago, is that the same Holohan was the chief officer, who was involved in the cervical scandals! Need to look into were you get your sources from.

    What are you on about? Youre the one going on about RTE , not me. Im asking you about the loony doctor youre holding up as an expert. Are you actually going to answer the question about her? Its been asked numerous times and you just keep going on about RTE.


    How about those death figures from 2019? Use your source and tell us how many people died in Ireland in 2019 (considering you say 26000 died from flu alone)


  • #170
    ForstalDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Who do you think "they" are? Who gives you your daily feed of briefing? Daily updates on this all?

    the irish goverment so is every goverment reporting cases involved in this??

    How many people


  • #171
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    What are you on about? Youre the one going on about RTE , not me. Im asking you about the loony doctor youre holding up as an expert. Are you actually going to answer the question about her? Its been asked numerous times and you just keep going on about RTE.


    How about those death figures from 2019? Use your source and tell us how many people died in Ireland in 2019 (considering you say 26000 died from flu alone)

    I asked you who do you get your sources from? I'm assuming it's the people I named.


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  • #172
    ForstalDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Capital T. Play dumb, I'm not playing this bullying gang game.

    Sorry im dislexic cant spell or do grammar well

    still not willing to answrr questions I see maybe the answer is somthign you would rather ignore


  • #173
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    How'd he get a yellow card for that? :pac:

    Not surprised, this has somehow turned into a bullying gang attack and not an adult rational discussion.


  • #174
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Don2012 wrote: »
    I asked you who do you get your sources from? I'm assuming it's the people I named.

    Sources for what? I didnt make any claims. I gave you a link to the post outlining the loony views of the doctor you championed.

    Someone else said there were 31000 total deaths in Ireland in 2019, citing the CSO as a source. You dispute this and claim there were 26000 flu deaths alone. Its you that isnt providing sources.


  • #175
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Don2012 wrote: »
    Capital T. Play dumb, I'm not playing this bullying gang game.

    Hi, you haven't been answering any questions. Maybe if you actually answered them directly, you would be convincing more people.

    Insulting them, calling them sheep and throwing a strop because they are asking you questions isn't going to convince anyone. It's just going to make you look very silly.

    Again, could you clarify what you were refering to as "muzzles"?
    Could you explain why people should believe random doctors from youtube?


  • #176
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Several off topic posts deleted


  • #177
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    ForstalDave wrote: »
    Sorry im dislexic cant spell or do grammar well

    still not willing to answrr questions I see maybe the answer is somthign you would rather ignore

    My answers are either mocked or brushed off as being rubbish. How would you feel if you were being attacked form all angles?


  • #178
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Don2012 wrote: »
    My answers are either mocked or brushed off as being rubbish. How would you feel if you were being attacked form all angles?

    Because you can't support them with any evidence. So they are rubbish. If people follow your advice, then evidence shows they are at risk of getting sick and possibly dying.

    You can argue with the evidence, but hearsay, spoof websites and a couple of sketchy doctors won't cut it.


  • #179
    ForstalDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Don2012 wrote: »
    My answers are either mocked or brushed off as being rubbish. How would you feel if you were being attacked form all angles?

    I feel pretty attacked from you and you still have not answered how many people you feel are involved in this is it 100 a 1000 or 1000000 is it every goverment in the world? or just the west?


  • #180
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Don2012 wrote: »
    My answers are either mocked or brushed off as being rubbish. How would you feel if you were being attacked form all angles?

    The questions are simple though:

    "Who is They?"

    To which you gave a non-constructive answer:
    Don2012 wrote: »
    you know fully well who "they" are unless your pretending to be dumb.

    "What are your sources?" Also not a gotcha question.


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  • #181
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    King Mob wrote: »
    Hi, you haven't been answering any questions. Maybe if you actually answered them directly, you would be convincing more people.

    Insulting them, calling them sheep and throwing a strop because they are asking you questions isn't going to convince anyone. It's just going to make you look very silly.

    Again, could you clarify what you were refering to as "muzzles"?
    Could you explain why people should believe random doctors from youtube?

    These doctors are not from YouTube. They made a press conference giving their opinion on Covid. Many of them spoke, they were banned of Facebook and YouTube after the video went VIRAL. You seem to think I have just decided to watch a few random "videos" and that's it. I always was skeptical of this from the very beginning in March. I never trusted our political class and I would never let them make decisions for me as they are corrupt and dishonest. I always questioned the lockdown as only sick people should be quarantined. They have total control of us and our freedom. If you don't agree with me that's fine, but the fact some kind of gang is attacking me from all angles for having an opinion is disgraceful. Were is the rational thinkers on this forum?


  • #182
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Don2012 wrote: »
    These doctors are not from YouTube. They made a press conference giving their opinion on Covid. Many of them spoke, they were banned of Facebook and YouTube after the video went VIRAL.

    and youve been repeatedly asked questions about 1 of them in particular but refuse to answer , instead ranting about RTE instead, whatever the relevance is between the two.


  • #183
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Don2012 wrote: »
    These doctors are not from YouTube. They made a press conference giving their opinion on Covid.
    But you haven't actually answered my question.
    Why should we believe them?

    Also you've dodged my other question. What are the "muzzles" you were going on about?


  • #184
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Don2012 wrote: »
    These doctors are not from YouTube. They made a press conference giving their opinion on Covid. Many of them spoke, they were banned of Facebook and YouTube after the video went VIRAL. You seem to think I have just decided to watch a few random "videos" and that's it. I always was skeptical of this from the very beginning in March. I never trusted our political class and I would never let them make decisions for me as they are corrupt and dishonest. I always questioned the lockdown as only sick people should be quarantined. They have total control of us and our freedom. If you don't agree with me that's fine, but the fact some kind of gang is attacking me from all angles for having an opinion is disgraceful. We is the rational thinkers on this forum?

    So what if something goes viral?

    The reason people keep asking you who "They" are is because we honestly don't know who you are referring to. In this exact instance, one of the doctors from that press conference/whatever in DC, Dr. Stella Immanuel, believes that the government is run in part by aliens and reptilians. So we honestly don't know - you could be referring to lizard people, aliens, george soros, the irish government, the deep state, the clinton foundation, bill gates, the CDC, Trump, China, etc. etc. etc.

    Your thread title is "When will they tell us the truth about Covid?" It is perfectly reasonable to expect you would be able to clarify to your audience who They are.


  • #185
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    King Mob wrote: »
    Hi, you haven't been answering any questions. Maybe if you actually answered them directly, you would be convincing more people.

    Insulting them, calling them sheep and throwing a strop because they are asking you questions isn't going to convince anyone. It's just going to make you look very silly.

    Again, could you clarify what you were refering to as "muzzles"?

    I have been called a "conspiracy theorist" a "right wing"a "pr*@k"and my opinion was discarded as "rubbish" but it's ok for your gang on here to call me whatever and I won't stick up for myself?

    Muzzles is another word for masks, which I think you all already know. A mask is a sign of submission (will probably be attacked for that opinion too).


  • #186
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Mod: let's just all drop any mention of muzzles from all quarters. It is really low brow stuff and I think we've covered it enough. I don't want to see the word on thread again. Elevate your diction* all.

    *That's not innuendo. Look it up.
    Don2012 wrote: »
    I have been called a "conspiracy theorist" a "right wing"a "pr*@k"and my opinion was discarded as "rubbish" but it's ok for your gang on here to call me whatever and I won't stick up for myself?

    Action has been taken already. Stop re-litigating; it only comes off as you playing the victim. It is not germane to the Central Argument.


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  • #187
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Don2012 wrote: »
    I have been called a "conspiracy theorist" a "right wing"a "pr*@k"and my opinion was discarded as "rubbish" but it's ok for your gang on here to call me whatever and I won't stick up for myself?
    Ok...:confused:
    That's not really a response to my question.
    I asked why we should believe random doctors you found on youtube?
    How do you know their opinion is correct?


  • #188
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Overheal wrote: »
    So what if something goes viral?

    The reason people keep asking you who "They" are is because we honestly don't know who you are referring to. In this exact instance, one of the doctors from that press conference/whatever in DC, Dr. Stella Immanuel, believes that the government is run in part by aliens and reptilians. So we honestly don't know - you could be referring to lizard people, aliens, george soros, the irish government, the deep state, the clinton foundation, bill gates, the CDC, Trump, China, etc. etc. etc.

    Your thread title is "When will they tell us the truth about Covid?" It is perfectly reasonable to expect you would be able to clarify to your audience who They are.

    My title for this thread means, the daily lies from our own politicans. The daily figures and restrictions and regulations they have imposed on us. I could go on but what's the point, I'm against some kind of pro government gang here.


  • #189
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Thank you. I will edit the title.


  • #190
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    King Mob wrote: »
    Ok. That's very hyperbolic and very silly.
    Why do you hold this position?

    It is well known in Ireland, many refer to the masks as muzzles because they do not want to comply to this farce. It isn't silly, wearing a mask in the middle of summertime is ridiculous.


  • #191
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    More Off-topic posts scrubbed. Please limit discussion to this Covid-19 CT


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  • #192
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,324 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Don2012 wrote: »
    It is well known in Ireland, many refer to the masks as muzzles because they do not want to comply to this farce. It isn't silly, wearing a mask in the middle of summertime is ridiculous.
    But the vast majority of doctors recommend using masks to help lower the transmission of the virus.
    Are all of those doctors wrong or somehow part of a vast conspiracy?

    If that's the case, why then should we trust the doctors you believe? Why can't they be wrong?

    You edited out the part of my post where I asked that question again and you failed to answer it.


  • #193
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Don2012 wrote: »
    It is well known in Ireland, many refer to the masks as muzzles because they do not want to comply to this farce. It isn't silly, wearing a mask in the middle of summertime is ridiculous.

    "many" in the sense of the Trump way that "many" people say things to him? Or many as in a significant amount of people? Did you previously think the government were- <<Mod: Keep on topic, TY>>

    Any chance you have a reply to my last reply to you? (and the 2019 death figures one)


  • #194
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    King Mob wrote: »
    But the vast majority of doctors recommend using masks to help lower the transmission of the virus.
    Are all of those doctors wrong or somehow part of a vast conspiracy?

    If that's the case, why then should we trust the doctors you believe? Why can't they be wrong?

    You edited out the part of my post where I asked that question again and you failed to answer it.

    Can I ask, if a vaccine come to Ireland will you agree to it?


  • #195
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    King Mob wrote: »
    But the vast majority of doctors recommend using masks to help lower the transmission of the virus.
    Are all of those doctors wrong or somehow part of a vast conspiracy?

    If that's the case, why then should we trust the doctors you believe? Why can't they be wrong?

    You edited out the part of my post where I asked that question again and you failed to answer it.

    You trust your instinct and intelligence and I'll trust mine. We'll leave it at that. Just research and read, look into organisation and individual and make the conclusion for yourself then. Have a good weekend.


  • #196
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Dont normally pay much attention to conspiracy stuff

    This Covid makes no sense

    12 in hospital in the whole country here

    Well over 1000 active tested
    cases

    We were told 20% infected would need hospital treatment

    At the moment its not even 2%

    If hospital numbers stay low and we are getting hundred cases a day from now on, even the most blind will see


  • #197
    Notmything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Which truth are you after?, The one that suits your narrative? Or would you accept one that goes against whatever it is you feel is the truth?


  • #198
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Dont normally pay much attention to conspiracy stuff

    This Covid makes no sense

    12 in hospital in the whole country here

    Well over 1000 active tested
    cases

    We were told 20% infected would need hospital treatment

    At the moment its not even 2%

    If hospital numbers stay low and we are getting hundred cases a day from now on, even the most blind will see

    Even the most blind will see what?

    The reason the hospital numbers are low is because most of the current cases are young people.

    If the numbers get bigger, and contacts are not traced on time, then more older people and people with underlying conditions will become infected.

    Then watch the hospital numbers rise.


  • #199
    AMKC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,299 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I think a theory about this been caused by Aliens would be more viable than the crazy idea by the OP. If anyone done it it has to be Aliens surely?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #200
    Don2012
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭Don2012


    Notmything wrote: »
    Which truth are you after?, The one that suits your narrative? Or would you accept one that goes against whatever it is you feel is the truth?

    I don't have a narrative. I try and research and question things for myself and then I'll come up with my conclusion. I do believe Covid is a virus yes, not the deadly disease ridden one they are making it out to be though, what I don't believe is the whole farce that was created around it by media and politicans.
    Very early on, they (Varadkar etc) talked about a second wave...how could they possibly know this? Then a few weeks later Varadkar stated "this is the new normal" after telling us we'd only be in lockdown until the end of March.
    Conditioning people into complying with this new normal. I stopped one day in a supermarket, and just looked around me, it was like a horror movie, people avoiding going down aisles because another person was there or meeting someone face on and jumping back and avoiding them like they have a disease. I met a friend who I haven't seen in months and they wouldn't give me a hug!! They said "no because it is against the rules".
    None of this is normal behaviour, this is no way to live! Living in fear and hysteria created by the media. Life is for living not be under control and order by the government.


  • #201
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Don2012 wrote: »
    I don't have a narrative. I try and research and question things for myself and then I'll come up with my conclusion. I do believe Covid is a virus yes, not the deadly disease ridden one they are making it out to be though, what I don't believe is the whole farce that was created around it by media and politicans.
    Very early on, they (Varadkar etc) talked about a second wave...how could they possibly know this? Then a few weeks later Varadkar stated "this is the new normal" after telling us we'd only be in lockdown until the end of March.
    Conditioning people into complying with this new normal. I stopped one day in a supermarket, and just looked around me, it was like a horror movie, people avoiding going down aisles because another person was there or meeting someone face on and jumping back and avoiding them like they have a disease. I met a friend who I haven't seen in months and they would give me a hug!! They said "no because it is against the rules".
    None of this is normal behaviour, this is no way to live! Living in fear and hysteria created by the media. Life is for living not be under control and order by the government.

    The second wave came from epedemiologist models. Not Leo Varadker.
    The "New Normal" talk started end of June I believe.

    I think your timelines are wrong.
    Also, what does Leo Varadker have to gain from this?
    COVID is bigger than Leo Varaker ffs.

    I agree with you that this isn't normal, but i disagree that it's some government conspiracy to keep the people under control.


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