Willie Frazer has died

JohnnyFlash · 30-06-2019 6:18pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You sound very eh...bitter about it all.

Not at all, dude. It’s just the same few heads are having the same dull and tedious arguments they’ve had in about 5000 other threads about Norn Iron. It’s a spectacularly poor way to spend ones time. Just pointing that out to you all. Go for a walk or something.

FrancieBrady · 30-06-2019 6:21pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Not at all, dude. It’s just the same few heads are having the same dull and tedious arguments they’ve had in about 5000 other threads about Norn Iron. It’s a spectacularly poor way to spend ones time. Just pointing that out to you all. Go for a walk or something.

Thousands of threads here for you to find something that interests you. Thousands that I would find spectacularly poor interest in, but I wouldn't have the level of stupidity necessary to go on to those threads to say that.

boetstark · 30-06-2019 6:32pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

???

That post is so deranged and bizarre.

I assume you're a tangerine.

Point is poster is so upset over Frazers hatred of Catholics, he must be a catholic himself.
Calling somebody who is just deceased a rotten scumbag is in my opinion unchristian. I find alot of Catholics are uncharitable horrible hypocrites who would be hard pressed to identify a bible

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 7:26pm

boetstark wrote: »

Point is poster is so upset over Frazers hatred of Catholics, he must be a catholic himself.
Calling somebody who is just deceased a rotten scumbag is in my opinion unchristian. I find alot of Catholics are uncharitable horrible hypocrites who would be hard pressed to identify a bible

Indeed it is interesting to note when a spokesperson for protestant victims of the Pira dies, they make up lies about him and call him every name under the sun etc. Even though he was never even a paramilitary or was Never suspected or proven to have commited a crime. Twice, in the past month on hearing news of the death of leaders of paramilitaries I thought back to the old adage " if you cannot think of something good to say about someone, say nothing".

Odhinn · 30-06-2019 7:30pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Indeed it is interesting to note when a spokesperson for protestant victims of the Pira dies, they make up lies about him and call him every name under the sun etc. Even though he was never even a paramilitary or was Never suspectex or proven to have commited a crime. Twice, in the past month on hearing news of the death of leaders of paramilitaries I thought back to the old adage " if you cannot think of something good to say about someone, say nothing".

This would be the guy that owned a bar used by the UVF, was refused a firearms licence as he associated with the UVF, said the UVF should never have had its members jailed?

Why won't you condemn the fact willie frazer fiddled the books of his charity?

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 7:36pm

Odhinn wrote: »

This would be the guy that owned a bar used by the UVF, was refused a firearms licence as he associated with the UVF, said the UVF should never have had its members ...?

If you own a bar how are you to know who some of your customers may have been sometimes? Most people in N Ireland are refused a licence for a handgun for obvious reasons...Only those who really need one for personal protection get one, usually certain government employees.

He did hate Republicans, not surprising as they killed so many of his family and friends, but at least he did not order others to go out and commit an Enniskillen or a Kingsmill.

An Claidheamh · 30-06-2019 7:38pm

boetstark wrote: »

Point is poster is so upset over Frazers hatred of Catholics, he must be a catholic himself.
Calling somebody who is just deceased a rotten scumbag is in my opinion unchristian. I find alot of Catholics are uncharitable horrible hypocrites who would be hard pressed to identify a bible

LMAO

You're a hypocrite and a bigot. You sound like something from the 17th century.

In the real world, people don't need to be Catholics to be against sectarianism.

The Orange Order and their ilk are not Christian, nor are the KKK.

Funny I find, British Protestants to delusional, insular and backward, with no influence in the world.

Britain even tries to pretend there are no Protestants anymore. Just Catholics and Muslims.

Fortunately, Norn Iron/British superstitions and dress up is dieing out.

Let's hope the ones who stay in Ireland can actually read a Bible.

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 7:40pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Why won't you condemn the fact willie frazer fiddled the books of his charity?

A man is innocent until proven guilty.

An Claidheamh · 30-06-2019 7:42pm

janfebmar wrote: »

He did hate Republicans, not surprising as they killed so many of his family and friends, but at least he did not order others to go out and commit an Enniskillen or a Kingsmill.

Yeah, at least he didn't do that....

Will he be getting a military funeral, or will the British state he loved so much* pretend he never existed?

*He spent half his time in his capital Dublin, complaining outside Facebook HQ

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 7:45pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Yeah, at least he didn't do that....

Will he be getting a military funeral, or will the British state he loved so much* pretend he never existed?

*He spent half his time in his capital Dublin, complaining outside Facebook HQ

Who are you talking about? I never even mentioned the names of the 2 patriots who died this month.

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 7:48pm

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Britain even tries to pretend there are no Protestants anymore. Just Catholics and Muslims.

Think you are a bit confused there. There are still many protestant churches there eg Church of England etc etc Do not believe everything an Phoblocht told you.;)

FrancieBrady · 30-06-2019 8:30pm

It is great to see it finally accepted that those who have nothing proven against them are innocent.

pablo128 · 30-06-2019 8:32pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is great to see it finally accepted that those who have nothing proven against them are innocent.

That's a very good point.

Odhinn · 30-06-2019 8:48pm

janfebmar wrote: »

If you own a bar how are you to know who some of your customers may have been sometimes? Most people in N Ireland are refused a licence for a handgun for obvious reasons...Only those who really need one for personal protection get one, usually certain government employees.
.

...but he was refused one because he was an associate of the UVF. And then there's the fact that the UVF used his bar. And the fact a protestant family had to turn to Sinn Fein for assistance, because willie wouldn't go against his pals in the UVF. And the fact he was found found to have presided over" failures in the organisation's ability to adhere to the conditions associated with its funding allocation" uncovered following a "thorough audit" of the tendering and administration procedures used by FAIR.". And his faked death threats. And the fact he couldn't tell one flag from another. And the fact he said no member of the UVF should ever have been jailed.

Do you think no member of the UVF should ever have been jailed?

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 8:52pm

Odhinn wrote: »

...but he was refused one because he was an associate of the UVF. And then there's the fact that the UVF used his bar. And the fact a protestant family had to turn to Sinn Fein for assistance, because willie wouldn't go against his pals in the UVF

According to the link earlier the above is untrue.

Odhinn · 30-06-2019 8:54pm

janfebmar wrote: »

According to the link earlier the above is untrue.

What link?

The court heard that a certificate had been refused because of police intelligence that Mr Frazer had associated with paramilitaries.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3958149.stm

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 8:56pm

Odhinn wrote: »

...but

Do you think no member of the UVF should ever have been jailed?

I always condemned the paramilitaries on both sides. Of course the UVF should have been, and were, jailed. However Frazer was not a member of the UVF, as far as is known anyway.

Odhinn · 30-06-2019 8:59pm

janfebmar wrote: »

I always condemned the paramilitaries on both sides. Of course the UVF should have been, and were, jailed. However Frazer was not a member of the UVF, as far as is known anyway.

He was an associate, as far as is known. In his time off from fiddling the books of his charity at least.

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 9:00pm

Odhinn wrote: »

What link?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3958149.stm

Another way of saying he did not need a handgun. 98% of the population would not get a handgun if they applied for one. Especially some man who had 6 members of his close family murdered and numerous friends, because of what was believed to be an ethnic cleansing campaign by extremist republicans. He may have met UVF members in the past, unknowingly or not. So what? Plenty of Republicans met PIRA members, unknowingly or not. at one time or another I bet.

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 9:06pm

Odhinn wrote: »

He was an associate, as far as is known.

Never a member. Never found guilty of any crime, or suspected of it.

Odhinn · 30-06-2019 9:06pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Another way of saying he did not need a handgun. 9..............................

Pull the other one. They stated clearly he was an associate of paramilitaries. That means he was an associate of paramilitaries.

If you condemn all terrorists why don't you have a problem with the fact he approved of the UVF?

Yer Da sells Avon · 30-06-2019 9:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam.

A fitting tribute to the man.

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 9:16pm

Odhinn wrote: »

If you condemn all terrorists why don't you have a problem with the fact he approved of the UVF?

I associated with a few Muslims when I bought a kebab recently, that does not mean I approve of the Taliban, or even that they do so. Frazer, when questioned once, said he did not approve of innocent Catholics being killed.

If people "approve" of paramilitaries like the uvf or pira, I guess you mean they have a soft spot for the paramilitaries. There is a moral difference between those who may approve of something and those who actually do it, you know.

_blaaz · 30-06-2019 9:21pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Frazer, when questioned once, said he did not approve of innocent Catholics being killed.

Why would he not represent them,when asked to do so

(I dont think he said anything approaxhing what yous think about innocent catholics...this is more his type speil
http://belfastmediagroup.com/frazer-in-sick-murph-insult/

Odhinn · 30-06-2019 9:26pm

janfebmar wrote: »

I associated with a few Muslims when I bought a kebab recently, that does not mean I approve of the Taliban, or even that they do so. Frazer, when questioned once, said he did not approve of innocent Catholics being killed.

If people "approve" of paramilitaries like the uvf or pira, I guess you mean they have a soft spot for the paramilitaries. There is a moral difference between those who may approve of something and those who actually do it, you know.

But he wasn't said to associate with protestants, he associated with paramilitaries.

Frazer said that he didn't believe any member of the UVF should be locked up. That would include those who killed innocent catholics.

There is?

McMurphy · 30-06-2019 9:27pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Never a member. Never found guilty of any crime, or suspected of it.

What you on about Mary, wasn't he in court where he faced hate speech charges, and if memory serves me correctly, wasn't there a gun found in his house before?

corner of hells · 30-06-2019 9:28pm

Is he definitely dead ?
Cause I am going to miss his brand of madness.

Also ,do any of youse think he might come back as a ghost.

#flegs are us.

Odhinn · 30-06-2019 9:32pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Is he definitely dead ?
Cause I am going to miss his brand of madness.

Also ,do any of youse think he might come back as a ghost.

#flegs are us.

He'll end up as a phantom haunting the Ivory Coast embassy.

Agent Smith · 30-06-2019 10:05pm

:pac:

steddyeddy · 30-06-2019 10:14pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Indeed it is interesting to note when a spokesperson for protestant victims of the Pira dies, they make up lies about him and call him every name under the sun etc. Even though he was never even a paramilitary or was Never suspected or proven to have commited a crime. Twice, in the past month on hearing news of the death of leaders of paramilitaries I thought back to the old adage " if you cannot think of something good to say about someone, say nothing".

Then how about tell us about him. I don't think you can honour someone's memory with the same jokey posts you usually do. Have you even offered condolences?

steddyeddy · 30-06-2019 10:19pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Another way of saying he did not need a handgun. 98% of the population would not get a handgun if they applied for one. Especially some man who had 6 members of his close family murdered and numerous friends, because of what was believed to be an ethnic cleansing campaign by extremist republicans. He may have met UVF members in the past, unknowingly or not. So what? Plenty of Republicans met PIRA members, unknowingly or not. at one time or another I bet.

So you're saying the police in Northern Ireland make up paramilitary links as a codeword for "you don't need a handgun".

FrancieBrady · 30-06-2019 10:22pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

So you're saying the police in Northern Ireland make up paramilitary links as a codeword for "you don't need a handgun".

Comedy spin gold.

steddyeddy · 30-06-2019 10:23pm

To be fair to the unionist posters here they certainly added a bit of joviality to what could have been a solemn thread.

steddyeddy · 30-06-2019 10:29pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Comedy spin gold.

My favourite bit is where he/she (their gender changes with the thread) insinuated Willie didn't get a gun because 6 of his family members where killed. It's the unionist comedy division.

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 11:31pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

My favourite bit is where he/she (their gender changes with the thread) insinuated Willie didn't get a gun because 6 of his family members where killed. It's the unionist comedy division.

I do not care why he did not get a handgun. I think its a good thing 99% of civilians in these islands can not get handguns, do you not? I am not in favour of the situation in America for example where people can legally own handguns.

steddyeddy · 30-06-2019 11:38pm

janfebmar wrote: »

I do not care why he did not get a handgun. I think its a good thing 99% of civilians in these islands can not get handguns, do you not? I am not in favour of the situation in America for example where people can legally own handguns.

Maybe the police in America should tell everyone they have paramilitary connections so they don't have to give them weapons? I mean the UVF is a highly secretive organisation you wouldn't even know if you were a member.

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 11:41pm

Fraser was a victim of paramilitaries. There is no proof he was a member of one, and the police did not suspect him to be a member of one. And I doubt he will have a paramilitary send off or funeral either.

steddyeddy · 30-06-2019 11:46pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Fraser was a victim of paramilitaries. There is no proof he was a member of one, and the police did not suspect him to be a member of one. And I doubt he will have a paramilitary send off or funeral either.

So I'm lost again. Your logic is this:

Frazer is not in UVF - police don't think he is either - police don't want him to have weapon as he doesn't need it - police make up imaginary UVF connections so they don't have to give him weapon - police give him pretend UVF funeral??

30-06-2019 11:50pm

boetstark wrote: »

Point is poster is so upset over Frazers hatred of Catholics, he must be a catholic himself.
Calling somebody who is just deceased a rotten scumbag is in my opinion unchristian. I find alot of Catholics are uncharitable horrible hypocrites who would be hard pressed to identify a bible

Oh, the irony!

I take it you found Willie Frazers hatred of Catholics to be the epitome of Christianity, then?

Sincere condolences to his family and friends.
I disagreed with almost every word that came out of his mouth, but I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone. I hope he found peace, in the end.

Junkyard Tom · 30-06-2019 11:51pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

So I'm lost again. Your logic is this:

Frazer is not in UVF - police don't think he is either - police don't want him to have weapon as he doesn't need it - police make up imaginary UVF connections so they don't have to give him weapon - police give him pretend UVF funeral??

And then everyone ran inside because US airmen were shitting out the bomb-bay doors as they flew over Ireland because DeValera wouldn't let Ireland join the war of the worlds against the martians.

janfebmar · 30-06-2019 11:52pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

So I'm lost again. Your logic is this:

Frazer is not in UVF - police don't think he is either - police don't want him to have weapon as he doesn't need it - police make up imaginary UVF connections so they don't have to give him weapon - police give him pretend UVF funeral??

I do not know what you are on about. The police never suspected or claimed he was in the uvf. And I do not know what sort of funeral he will have but I doubt it will have a paramilitary send-off, given he was not a paramilitary.

In other news, many people from very diverse backgrounds in these islands have paid tribute to Frazer. For example,Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney expressed his sincere sympathies to Mr Frazer's family and acknowledged "his work of many years advocating for victims of the Troubles in Northern Ireland".

An Claidheamh · 01-07-2019 9:06am

janfebmar wrote: »

Think you are a bit confused there. There are still many protestant churches there eg Church of England etc etc Do not believe everything an Phoblocht told you.;)

It's 'An Phoblacht'

And what I meant was the British establishment pretends they've always been 'secular' despite clearly having a state religion, and pretending they don't have deep Protestant (sectarian) roots..... but try explaining that to someone educated by their school system....

An Claidheamh · 01-07-2019 9:08am

janfebmar wrote: »

In other news, many people from very diverse backgrounds in these islands have paid tribute to Frazer. For example,Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney expressed his sincere sympathies to Mr Frazer's family and acknowledged "his work of many years advocating for victims of the Troubles in Northern Ireland".

You mean your Tánaiste

I'm sure he meant it Mary/Billy

What did Bill Clinton say?

careless sherpa · 01-07-2019 9:19am

corner of hells wrote: »

Is he definitely dead ?
Cause I am going to miss his brand of madness.

Also ,do any of youse think he might come back as a ghost.

#flegs are us.

Will be a few flags at the funeral I would guess. Celebrity attendance by the woman that was screaming no surrender in through the window of belfast city hall

steddyeddy · 01-07-2019 9:26am

janfebmar wrote: »

Fraser was a victim of paramilitaries. There is no proof he was a member of one, and the police did not suspect him to be a member of one. And I doubt he will have a paramilitary send off or funeral either.

And what about you. One thread you support paramilitaries and the next you say you don't.

FrancieBrady · 01-07-2019 9:35am

Frazer hadn't the temperament to be in any serious paramilitary group. He'd have been trumpeting what he did and implicating all and sundry.
He was an unstable character who did manage to enflame the situation and no doubt motivated many to violence. In latter years he became a comedic figure and a parody of the worst type of Unionist/ Loyalist

Pedro K · 01-07-2019 10:10am

janfebmar wrote: »

A man is innocent until proven guilty.

You will, of course, apply the same logic to the likes of Gerry Adams, then, yes?

Odhinn · 01-07-2019 10:56am

janfebmar wrote: »

Never a member. Never found guilty of any crime, or suspected of it.

Really?

VICTIMS’ campaigner Willie Frazer has expressed outrage after he was stopped and searched by police in south Armagh under anti-terror laws.

Mr Frazer said seven members of the PSNI’s tactical support group dressed in boiler suits surrounded his car “in frightening circumstances” near Kingsmills. He said he will be reporting the incident to his solicitor and lodging a complaint with the Police Ombudsman.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/anti-terror-police-search-willie-frazer-1-4394998

Mr Frazer, 53, was protesting at being charged under legislation that, he claims, was brought in to deal with militant Islamic preachers.
He faces charges linked to union flag demonstrations in January.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-24294969

Frazer was charged with three counts of participating in unnotified public processions and obstruction of traffic in a public place.[59][60] Frazer was subsequently released on bail. On 16 July 2013, he was rearrested for alleged breach of bail conditions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-23327528

Gael23 · 01-07-2019 11:40am

I certainly won’t be mourning his death

steddyeddy · 01-07-2019 7:36pm

Shelob1 wrote: »

I am a Unionist and I will be attending. It is near Markethill. You accuse others of ruining the thread but you have been as disrespectful as anyone in this thread.

Man did you get there in the end? It wasn't in Markerthill after all, it was in Bessbrook. I hope you weren't waiting outside the wrong church.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/final-farewell-as-victims-campaigner-willie-frazer-is-laid-to-rest-38269985.html

Willie Frazer has died

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