Which Camera? Please read OP first

DARK-KNIGHT · 24-03-2019 10:02pm

Sheeps wrote: »

Define good price. What's your budget?

300 to 400 but if something is within a reasonable price from that i can stretch a bit

cnocbui · 24-03-2019 10:24pm

Secondhand Olympus E-M5 or E-M10 II would be one option.

romperstomper · 24-03-2019 11:49pm

now that the x-T30 is available, the X-T20 will go for this money second hand. I went from E-M5 to X-t20 and it is a considerable upgrade

Sheeps · 25-03-2019 12:54am

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

300 to 400 but if something is within a reasonable price from that i can stretch a bit

The cameras mentioned above or second-hand cameras are perfectly good for the price, where they fall down is on the lens selection. You sound like it's going to be your hobby from the original post. For that reason, I'd consider thinking about the lenses, which is ultimately where you will gain all of your longevity. Generally speaking, you don't necessarily purchase a camera, as much as you buy into a camera system.

At that price you mentioned, you could buy an entry-level Canon (who have more or less the best lens line up in the business), and quite a number of really good but cheap entry-level lenses for when you feel like expanding your kit a bit (if you find that you like photography).

Nikon, also have a decent variety of lenses, at arguably a smaller price point, however, their endgame probably isn't that strong when it comes to mirrorless, which is where the industry seems to be going (if you want to consider long term choices).

Sony, the prices start a little higher, I think but they also have one of the best mirrorless cameras on the market when you think of upgrading down the line. Their lenses are also quite good.

Other brands aren't too bad, in terms of camera features but really fall short on the lens selection.

There's no right answer, but a Canon EOS 1300D or a Nikon D3500 would be perfectly suitable for a beginner.

Menelaun · 17-04-2019 9:02am

Hi,

Looking for a camera that I can capture video and photos on, Mainly for recording football matches and for team photographs and action shots etc
So it would need a decent battery as the clubs pitch is wide and our current camera requires us to zoom in and out a lot

400/500 quid would be the budget and would also need a tripod to attach it too

Cheers

Bluefoam · 17-04-2019 10:09am

Menelaun wrote: »

Hi,

Looking for a camera that I can capture video and photos on, Mainly for recording football matches and for team photographs and action shots etc
So it would need a decent battery as the clubs pitch is wide and our current camera requires us to zoom in and out a lot

400/500 quid would be the budget and would also need a tripod to attach it too

Cheers

My suggestion as usual is a Canon M6. It's a very capable camera & within your budget. Decent lens selection and good video control. Battery is really good by my standards (a bit better than most), but you may need a second battery to get a full match in... I'd say it's the same for most cameras in that price range.

https://www.eglobalcentral.eu/canon-eos-m6-mirrorless-digital-camera-with-ef-m-15-45mm-camera-kit-white.html

Sonics2k · 01-05-2019 8:24am

Hi folks!

I'm looking to get back into photography after taking a break for some years.
I'm just looking for advice on a good camera, preferably Canon. Largely just my own wanderings and nothing 'professional' (events, weddings etc).

I was looking at the Canon 4000D which seems to be the latest entry level camera, but with the model numbers all over the place with Canon, can anyone recommend a model or two up from that?

I'm currently using an old Finepix S6500, which while serving well really lacks an awful lot of functionality and a very low MP count (6.1MP I believe) compared to most modern phones and cameras.

Also, is IS pretty much built into lenses/cameras now?

edit: Meant to clarify. Would much, much prefer a DSLR. Style of photography is portraiture or of mechanical with an emphasis on detail and light.

cnocbui · 01-05-2019 11:12am

Some more modern cameras have IS built into the body with the best being Olympus and Panasonic and Sony behind them. With Canon you need to buy IS lenses and it's not as effective.

will56 · 14-05-2019 1:54pm

Looking to upgrade from my D5500 to something better.

I am using the camera for the usual family shots, fast moving children along with some event and fashion shoot work.

I'm finding the AF, buffering and shutter speed and lack of hss or compatible is holding me back for the work use of the camera.

I'm looking at the D7200 or D7500.
I'm aware of the lack of second card slot and battery grip but I'm not concerned about these. Camera is big enough as it is and I always have a spare battery with me.

The 4k is a nice bonus but won't be a deal breaker.

I'm thinking the 8fps, buffer and tilt screen is worth the extra cash ?

Most of my lenses are DX so I won't be going to FX just yet due to the cost of the glass.

Has anyone experience with these cameras ?
Anyone used both and prefer one over the other ?

Cabaal · 20-05-2019 12:59pm

I've had a Canon 400D w/battery grip which I picked up in USA back in 2007 (so its labelled as Digital Rebel XTi in North America) and I'm looking to finally replace it....well I'll still use it but I'd like a new DSLR with video.

I'd like to stay with Canon for the new DSLR but I'd also like to shoot video with the aim of adding my Tascam DR-05X Audio Recorder to improve the audio when shooting video since the mic's can suck on the camera's.

Also, I have some gear which I currently use with the Canon 400D including
- Sigma 24-70
- Sigma 10-20mm
- Canon 50mm
- Sigma 70-200
- Speedlite 430ex

Few questions regarding getting a new Canon

- Would I be able to use my existing lens's with the newer model DSLR's? (I'm assuming I can and the flash should work fine).
- I'm fairly green to the DSLR video and so would only certain models have the option to connect in the Tascam DR-05X using the kit it uses? (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tascam-AK-DR11-°C-Accessory-Kit/dp/B00H5DC3LO/)

Most importantly, what would people recommend for a new Canon?

Alanstrainor · 20-05-2019 1:55pm

In short. Yes you can get a more modern Canon that will shoot video and be able to use your old lenses. Canon's lineup is a bit on the confusing side imo, and really we'd need to know your budget?

Almost any camera is going to be a huge upgrade coming from a 400D. That camera is ancient, and almost any new camera will produce lovely clean images in comparison to the 400D. Canon can be on the restrictive side in terms of video, so you might have to do some thinking as to what you want from the camera. Is 4k important? If so Canon is a bit difficult on that front, almost all of their cameras (maybe all of them actually), suffer from cropping when shooting 4k and other issues. If you're looking at shooting 1080p only then you should be able to find something that fits the bill.

You mic will also work well. I'm not familiar with it, does it have a line out to allow you to connect directly to the camera? Or is it standalone? It doesn't matter too much, it just means there will be some work in post.

I think I'd look at the Canon M50. Now this is a mirrorless camera, and you will have to buy a Canon lens adapter to allow it to accept your current lenses. But it is the best budget video Canon option imo. For shooting 1080p it produces fantastic video, and up to 60p as well which is quite nice. It is a very small camera which may be good or bad depending on what you want.

Bluefoam · 20-05-2019 2:01pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

In short. Yes you can get a more modern Canon that will shoot video and be able to use your old lenses. Canon's lineup is a bit on the confusing side imo, and really we'd need to know your budget?

Almost any camera is going to be a huge upgrade coming from a 400D. That camera is ancient, and almost any new camera will produce lovely clean images in comparison to the 400D. Canon can be on the restrictive side in terms of video, so you might have to do some thinking as to what you want from the camera. Is 4k important? If so Canon is a bit difficult on that front, almost all of their cameras (maybe all of them actually), suffer from cropping when shooting 4k and other issues. If you're looking at shooting 1080p only then you should be able to find something that fits the bill.

You mic will also work well. I'm not familiar with it, does it have a line out to allow you to connect directly to the camera? Or is it standalone? It doesn't matter too much, it just means there will be some work in post.

I think I'd look at the Canon M50. Now this is a mirrorless camera, and you will have to buy a Canon lens adapter to allow it to accept your current lenses. But it is the best budget video Canon option imo. For shooting 1080p it produces fantastic video, and up to 60p as well which is quite nice. It is a very small camera which may be good or bad depending on what you want.

+1 for the M50

Cabaal · 20-05-2019 2:51pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

In short. Yes you can get a more modern Canon that will shoot video and be able to use your old lenses. Canon's lineup is a bit on the confusing side imo, and really we'd need to know your budget?

Should have said, around 600-700e

Almost any camera is going to be a huge upgrade coming from a 400D. That camera is ancient, and almost any new camera will produce lovely clean images in comparison to the 400D. Canon can be on the restrictive side in terms of video, so you might have to do some thinking as to what you want from the camera. Is 4k important? If so Canon is a bit difficult on that front, almost all of their cameras (maybe all of them actually), suffer from cropping when shooting 4k and other issues. If you're looking at shooting 1080p only then you should be able to find something that fits the bill.

4k would be nice, but I'm not prepared to blow the budget to get it.
Would be nice to somewhat future proof it of course.

You mic will also work well. I'm not familiar with it, does it have a line out to allow you to connect directly to the camera? Or is it standalone? It doesn't matter too much, it just means there will be some work in post.

Mic has a line out that can connect directly to the camera using the kit mentioned in my post. It then can sit on the flashmount on-top of the camera. I got the mic for another task but would like to benefit from the superior audio it'll produce over the built in camera mic.

I think I'd look at the Canon M50. Now this is a mirrorless camera, and you will have to buy a Canon lens adapter to allow it to accept your current lenses. But it is the best budget video Canon option imo. For shooting 1080p it produces fantastic video, and up to 60p as well which is quite nice. It is a very small camera which may be good or bad depending on what you want.

I'd likely see smaller being a pain when you add the heavier lens imho
400D w/battery grip + flash + 24-70mm wasn't exactly light to be fair :P
I'll miss having the battery grip, was great for the great battery life but gave a good balance to the camera and made holding it for portrait mode a pleasure.

I did spot the M50 and does look the job, is this the lens adapter you were referencing?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-6098B005-Mount-Adapter-EF-EOS/dp/B008O0IE2Y/

Alanstrainor · 20-05-2019 3:40pm

That's one option for adapters, this would do the job at a quarter of the price:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adapter-Ring-Canon-M-Meike-MK-C-AF4/dp/B00YES32HM/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_421_tr_t_2

I totally understand the size issue. I think I'd be the same tbh, I'm shooting a Canon Eos R at the minute which is smaller than my previous 60D but still sizeable.

The thing is that the M50 is just much better bang for buck compared to the 800D which is the next in line in terms of DSLR options. The body only option is in budget, but it offers perhaps worse specs in a lot of ways. Older processor, same sensor, and the EVF is debatable perhaps but I reckon it's a game changer. The video on the 800D is not as good as on the M50 either.

And actually, I'd have to question just how much difference in size there really is between these cameras. Just googling a bit there, the grips are almost identical. The M50 is smaller as it does not need a mirror box. But the dimensions that matter when holding the camera are quite similar. It is much lighter as well. There is no battery grip for the M50 though, which might be annoying.

Cabaal · 20-05-2019 4:19pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

That's one option for adapters, this would do the job at a quarter of the price:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adapter-Ring-Canon-M-Meike-MK-C-AF4/dp/B00YES32HM/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_421_tr_t_2

I totally understand the size issue. I think I'd be the same tbh, I'm shooting a Canon Eos R at the minute which is smaller than my previous 60D but still sizeable.

The thing is that the M50 is just much better bang for buck compared to the 800D which is the next in line in terms of DSLR options. The body only option is in budget, but it offers perhaps worse specs in a lot of ways. Older processor, same sensor, and the EVF is debatable perhaps but I reckon it's a game changer. The video on the 800D is not as good as on the M50 either.

And actually, I'd have to question just how much difference in size there really is between these cameras. Just googling a bit there, the grips are almost identical. The M50 is smaller as it does not need a mirror box. But the dimensions that matter when holding the camera are quite similar. It is much lighter as well. There is no battery grip for the M50 though, which might be annoying.

Appreciate the assistance on this,
I might try getting a look at the M50 in flesh in a local shop before I commit but it looks like it'll do what I want. Now just need to put the money together

Alanstrainor · 20-05-2019 4:35pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Appreciate the assistance on this,
I might try getting a look at the M50 in flesh in a local shop before I commit but it looks like it'll do what I want. Now just need to put the money together

Yeah I should have mentioned that going out and seeing both would be the best next step. Although... in saying that I went out and bought the Eos R without ever seeing one in the flesh. Just walked in and out of the shop like I was buying a bottle of coke! Ha!

CelticRambler · 23-05-2019 1:18pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Few questions regarding getting a new Canon

- Would I be able to use my existing lens's with the newer model DSLR's? (I'm assuming I can and the flash should work fine).
- I'm fairly green to the DSLR video and so would only certain models have the option to connect in the Tascam DR-05X using the kit it uses? (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tascam-AK-DR11-°C-Accessory-Kit/dp/B00H5DC3LO/)

Most importantly, what would people recommend for a new Canon?

Can you use your old lenses - yes, no problem at all.

Ditto for the flash.

Can you use the Tascam - yes, no, maybe. You will need to ensure that the model you choose has a line-in connection, and the entry-level EOS models (e.g. 1200D) don't. Most of the one-level-up models do, though, but check the specs. That said, I've got a Tascam DR05 (for my 70D) and never use it to feed audio to the camera because it does a far better job doing what it was made for, i.e. taking its own inputs and recording them locally. Instead, I use the crappy sound from the in-camera mic for synch in post, or - if I really want half-decent audio recorded direct to camera - use a Røde directional mic.

Which model? Contrary to the advice given by others, I would suggest you stick with a Canon for now. You're already familiar with the brand, and if you're only starting into video (forgive me if I'm making an incorrect assumption :pac: ) your learning curve will be steep enough without adding additional factors (like sound recording :rolleyes: )

My daughter uses a (ten? year old) 60D for her video projects and gets perfectly good images from it.* Keep your cash for another lens or two, a lavalier mic, a decent light, a decent tripod, a decent gimbal ... because no amount of 4k will make up for an out-of-focus shaky image with audio that no-one can hear! :cool:

*(At least she would if she'd listen to her father and turn off auto focus! :mad: )

ED E · 25-05-2019 8:15pm

Also, Magic Lantern

monkeynuz · 12-07-2019 8:05am

Hi chaps,

I would like to have a go at photography again (mainly landscapes and a bit of wildlife) but don’t know where to start, I don’t want to spend a fortune to begin with as I might not be as interested as I think I am!

So the question is do I go for - (all Nikon) d300/s + 16-80, d5600 + 16-80, d7500 with 18-140 kit Len, d500 16-80 or the new z6 with the 24-70?

I think that’s all.

Hope You guys can help me decide.

Tia.

Monkey.

will56 · 12-07-2019 8:16am

monkeynuz wrote: »

Hi chaps,

I would like to have a go at photography again (mainly landscapes and a bit of wildlife) but don’t know where to start, I don’t want to spend a fortune to begin with as I might not be as interested as I think I am!

So the question is do I go for - (all Nikon) d300/s + 16-80, d5600 + 16-80, d7500 with 18-140 kit Len, d500 16-80 or the new z6 with the 24-70?

I think that’s all.

Hope You guys can help me decide.

Tia.

Monkey.

There are better people than me that can answer this question but I can highly recommend the D7500 from that list
I've had the D3500, D5500 and now the D7500
Apart from moving to full frame (if I ever do) I am now happy with the body I'm using
The LCD display, full manual controls and overall feel of the D7500 is fantastic.
There is only one card slot, no official vertical grip and Snapbridge is a pain but I find the pros far outway the cons
8FPS and a 50shot buffer makes it brilliant for wildlife too, in fact there is a FB group for the camera and 90% of the shots are wildlife.

monkeynuz · 12-07-2019 8:59am

will56 wrote: »

There are better people than me that can answer this question but I can highly recommend the D7500 from that list
I've had the D3500, D5500 and now the D7500
Apart from moving to full frame (if I ever do) I am now happy with the body I'm using
The LCD display, full manual controls and overall feel of the D7500 is fantastic.
There is only one card slot, no official vertical grip and Snapbridge is a pain but I find the pros far outway the cons
8FPS and a 50shot buffer makes it brilliant for wildlife too, in fact there is a FB group for the camera and 90% of the shots are wildlife.

Thanks will,

I have been giving the d7500 some serious consideration and it’s also a good price at the moment.

Thanks again.

M.

will56 · 15-07-2019 7:59am

monkeynuz wrote: »

Thanks will,

I have been giving the d7500 some serious consideration and it’s also a good price at the moment.

Thanks again.

M.

Check Ebay as well, some great value on some lightly used ones

OffalyMedic · 12-08-2019 3:22pm

Hi everyone,

As you can guess I'm looking for a camera recommendation. I'm heading to Iceland in October and using it as an excuse to buy my first ever camera but I'm clueless as to what to get : compact vs DSLR etc. And I don't know what are necessary or not and so on. I played with the idea of getting a gopro for action shots and with risk or water from waterfalls etc but I think I want a proper camera that will do me for years for events like weddings , holidays, party's etc. Budget of 200-300 and am happy to buy 2nd hand for the right camera. Thanks

Bluefoam · 12-08-2019 4:13pm

OffalyMedic wrote: »

Hi everyone,

As you can guess I'm looking for a camera recommendation. I'm heading to Iceland in October and using it as an excuse to buy my first ever camera but I'm clueless as to what to get : compact vs DSLR etc. And I don't know what are necessary or not and so on. I played with the idea of getting a gopro for action shots and with risk or water from waterfalls etc but I think I want a proper camera that will do me for years for events like weddings , holidays, party's etc. Budget of 200-300 and am happy to buy 2nd hand for the right camera. Thanks

Get something that can grow with your ability... I'd suggest a Canon M100 system lens camera (for your budget). Gives you ease of use, more complex function as you progress and the ability to upgrade without moving to another system in the short to medium term...

OffalyMedic · 12-08-2019 7:28pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

Get something that can grow with your ability... I'd suggest a Canon M100 system lens camera (for your budget). Gives you ease of use, more complex function as you progress and the ability to upgrade without moving to another system in the short to medium term...

Canon EOS M100 Black + EF-M 15-45mm IS STM Lens Black EF-M 55-200mm IS STM Lens Black

Available 2nd hand almost new for €375, would this be a good buy?

Bluefoam · 12-08-2019 7:57pm

Yeh, not bad if it's in good condition. The 55-200 is a fantastic long lens for zooming in on your subject taking portraits etc, and the 15-45 is an all around lens that'll do landscapes, street shots and stuff...

I'm a divel and got a bunch of lenses for the system. 22mm prime is good for night time shooting and the 11-22 is fantastic for wide angle, interiors and landscapes... My body is the m6. I'll add the 28mm macro at some stage.

You'll really benefit from having both of those lenses.

OffalyMedic · 12-08-2019 9:04pm

My 2 options that i can find within budget are:

Nikon JI (€150)

Olympus EPL7 (€350)

Canon EoS M100 with 15-44mm and 55-200mm lenses (€325) or

Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark II Camera with no lense (€200)

If olympus which lens is best for all round shots of landscape, matches, family events?

Bluefoam · 12-08-2019 9:41pm

This article from DPReview is worth a read:

https://m.dpreview.com/opinion/0877988578/traveling-light-the-ups-and-downs-of-the-canon-eos-m100-in-mexico

cnocbui · 13-08-2019 12:50am

OffalyMedic wrote: »

My 2 options that i can find within budget are:

Nikon JI (€150)

Olympus EPL7 (€350)

Canon EoS M100 with 15-44mm and 55-200mm lenses (€325) or

Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark II Camera with no lense (€200)

If olympus which lens is best for all round shots of landscape, matches, family events?

The best Olympus lens for that sort of general use, costs more than those cameras - The 12-100mm f4 Pro. At less lofty performance and price levels, the 12-50mm f3.6/6.3 is a good performer. I have one and it has great utility with a good price performance ratio. I also have the better, but more expensive, heavier and larger 12-40mm f2.8 Pro. Performance wise it's the best ' standard ' lens in the Olympus line-up, but...

Bluefoam · 13-08-2019 9:34am

Just a question on Micro 4/3 systems used by Olympus & Panasonic etc... There is allot of talk that the system is running out of steam, that the image circle limits the size of sensor that can be used and thus limits the future deveopment of bodies for the system... I had this problem with my last system (Pentax Q)... it came to the point where I needed to upgrade the body after investing allot in the system, but no body was available with the (relatively normal) spec I required... I ended up having to sell it off at a heavy loss & spend more again rebuilding my setup.

Don't get me wrong, Micro 4/3 it is an astonishingly good system, but the advice I recieved was not to invest in it as a new user... only if you have a large collection of legacy equipment... The main takeway for me is the poor autofocus on newer cameras compared to the new Sony, Canon & Nikon models.

One reason I chose the Canon M system was the relative low cost of entry & the affordability of lenses... As the previous commenter mentioned, lenses for Micro 4/3 can cost well in excess of the bodies. I generally look at the cost of a wide angle zoom, as it's a lens I need most, I got mine for about €250 new, a similar lens for the Olympus system is over €500. I can't justify the high cost of a system, but I also can't see how a more expensive system would benefit me... My current setup is way more capable than my ability & it will remain so for a long time.

cnocbui · 13-08-2019 2:47pm

I can't make sense of your image circle worry. Lenses tend to be designed to project an image circle that encompasses the sensor they were intended for. M4/3 is no more running out of steam than any other format. Why not say that a Sony A7* or a Nikon D* camera systems are running out of steam and have dubious longevity because their lenses don't have adequate image circles for a medium format sensor such as you might find in a Hasselblad or Fuji?

The Olympus cameras with PDAF sensors - the E-M1 II/X - have probably the fastest and most accurate AF you can get for still subjects and excellent C-AF. Personally I value in body image stabilisation far more highly than a small percentage difference in C-AF keepers. Olympus cameras have better IBIS than any other make. Panasonic are not as good in C-AF or IBIS as Olympus - but they make the best bang for your buck video cameras you can get. They have excellent stills AF but their DFS system that handles C-AF isn't as good as PDAF.

The lenses I mentioned as costing more than a cheap body have very high levels of performance. Getting the same level of performance in Nikon, Canon or Sony lenses will generally cost you more for larger and heavier lenses. You can get fairly cheap m/4/3 lenses, just as you can get fairly cheap consumer grade lenses in most other systems. One reason I got into M4/3 was because not only does it have a very wide range of very good native lenses, but because of the short lens flange to sensor register, you can use a massive number of older manual FF lenses as well. I happened to have some very good Olympus manual FF lenses, so it was a no-brainer to go M4/3 and continue to use them. Coming from 35mm film, I am quite capable of manually focusing and am not lost without AF.

Yes, M4/3 can seem expensive, because there is a bit of a price premium for small, high quality lenses and bodies that have high performance, but that has often been the case in many areas of technology - a Sony RX1R will cost you €2,117, for example. M4/3 is about high performance in a small, relatively light system. This makes it an excellent choice for travel. You can certainly get more bang for your buck with APSC and consumer grade FF systems. If you don't need to shove them under an airline seat or carry them all day, they are a fine choice to save some money.

Bluefoam · 13-08-2019 2:57pm

cnocbui wrote: »

I can't make sense of your image circle worry.

First article I came across in Google:
https://fstoppers.com/gear/imminent-death-micro-four-thirds-301146

Tony Northrup discusses why he thinks micro four-thirds as a format will not survive long. Northrup estimates that in around five years, we may not see any new cameras using that sensor type.

Like I said, the micro 4/3 system is fantastic, but I couldn't justify it over other systems because it doesn't offer any more, has poor focus compared with the competition and lags the specs of other cameras that are equally as good. The Olympus mentioned earlier doesn't even have a microphone input, and even though video hasn't been mentioned, that is currently a minimum requiremnet for many users.

Why should the OP buy into an expensive system, when there are affordable systems that will work equally well or better?

cnocbui · 13-08-2019 3:34pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

First article I came across in Google:
https://fstoppers.com/gear/imminent-death-micro-four-thirds-301146

Like I said, the micro 4/3 system is fantastic, but I couldn't justify it over other systems because it doesn't offer any more, has poor focus compared with the competition and lags the specs of other cameras that are equally as good. The Olympus mentioned earlier doesn't even have a microphone input, and even though video hasn't been mentioned, that is currently a minimum requiremnet for many users.

Why should the OP buy into an expensive system, when there are affordable systems that will work equally well or better?

Northrup is a c*** sucking bleep who makes a good bit of his money from being deliberately controversial as it gets more attention and ka-ching.

As for that other article - Panasonic have a large interest in video. They have a big thing for making 8K a commercial reality ASAP (Tokyo Olympics). 8K requires at least 33 MP - roughly. Leaving aside Sharp's supposed 8K M4/3 sensor with 33 MP, 20 MP is the highest pixel density on Olympus and Panasonic bodies. Panasonic stated publicly that they didn't think M4/3 sensors were suitable to develop 8K on. Then a month or two later they announced a new FF system. Doesn't take a genius to figure the FF system is a platform to allow them to develop 8K on.

Northrup is too busy applying his limited intellect to selecting hair-care products and clothes to have any left over to figure that out.

My personal interest is in what Olympus' future intentions are. At least two CEOs of the company have stated that the imaging division is critical for the R&D synergies it provides to the medical division - which makes the vast majority of Olympus' earnings and profit. That is more than enough assurance for me that the Olympus side of M4/3 is secure. I don't care what Panasonic are up to or what US based professional social media influencers think or say - I know enough to form my own opinions and where to get less biased information.

I don't really want to engage in your anti-M4/3 debate. I am glad you are happy with what you bought and use. I'm happy with what I have and use.

I don't know - ask the OP.

LuckyGent88 · 21-08-2019 9:24am

I’m sure regulars here are sick of answering questions on equipment but I need some assistance.

Looking to purchase a camera for my partners birthday in October. She is a photographer enthusiast let’s say and we are also due our first baby in November and she would like to get a pretty professional camera for taking baby pictures and then for the growing up part. We also travel quite a lot as we live in Germany.

Looking at a camera in the 400-800 euro range. Iv tried to read up on a lot of the equipment but my lack of tech brain hasn’t figured out what is best.

Any advice/recommendations would be great?

Bluefoam · 21-08-2019 9:29am

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

I’m sure regulars here are sick of answering questions on equipment but I need some assistance.

Looking to purchase a camera for my partners birthday in October. She is a photographer enthusiast let’s say and we are also due our first baby in November and she would like to get a pretty professional camera for taking baby pictures and then for the growing up part. We also travel quite a lot as we live in Germany.

Looking at a camera in the 400-800 euro range. Iv tried to read up on a lot of the equipment but my lack of tech brain hasn’t figured out what is best.

Any advice/recommendations would be great?

The Canon M6ii has just been leaked... Specs look phenominal & speculation on price has been that it may fit into your bugdet... perfect for the enthusiast photographer... looks like they really picked up their game on specifications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAuaLe7dJmg

GBX · 21-08-2019 9:29am

Does she have a camera already? If so, what model/lenses does she have already? Maybe a new lens instead of a camera?

CelticRambler · 21-08-2019 9:47am

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Looking to purchase a camera for my partners birthday in October. She is a photographer enthusiast ... but my lack of tech brain hasn’t figured out what is best.

Let her make the decision!

If she's a real enthusiast, she'll know what she wants, and you'll drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what that is.

Over the years, I've received several thoughtful but ultimately unsatisfactory (or downright unusable) gifts that have been bought for me because someone knew I had a particular interest.

Use the excuse of the imminent arrival to start talking about taking photos in general, and of the baby in particular. You could pretend that you're thinking of getting into photography yourself, mess around with your phone camera, moan about not being able to get the kind of shot you want and let your partner "take over". Chances are you'll be the one who ends up taking the pictures anyway, so get a camera that works for both of you.

LuckyGent88 · 21-08-2019 10:13am

CelticRambler wrote: »

Let her make the decision! If she's a real enthusiast, she'll know what she wants, and you'll drive yourself crazy trying to figure out what that is.

Over the years, I've received several thoughtful but ultimately unsatisfactory (or downright unusable) gifts that have been bought for me because someone knew I had a particular interest.

Use the excuse of the imminent arrival to start talking about taking photos in general, and of the baby in particular. You could pretend that you're thinking of getting into photography yourself, mess around with your phone camera, moan about not being able to get the kind of shot you want and let your partner "take over". Chances are you'll be the one who ends up taking the pictures anyway, so get a camera that works for both of you.

Thanks for the replies. Maybe photography enthusiast is a bit extreme. Loves taking photos but most is with her phone and the various apps she has.

The only other camera we have is one of those instant printable camera but it is of a poor quality.

Both of us wouldn’t know much when it comes to the more professional cameras. I’m personally happy just using my phone. The price isn’t an issue as it will be a present from myself and the rest of her family.

will56 · 21-08-2019 10:20am

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. Maybe photography enthusiast is a bit extreme. Loves taking photos but most is with her phone and the various apps she has.

The only other camera we have is one of those instant printable camera but it is of a poor quality.

Both of us wouldn’t know much when it comes to the more professional cameras. I’m personally happy just using my phone. The price isn’t an issue as it will be a present from myself and the rest of her family.

I'd second the other reply.
Its definitely worth going into a camera shop and physically handling cameras and asking for advice.
She might find a DSLR too cumbersome and prefer a mirrorless or point & shoot etc. I have a d7500 with a 24-70mm on it most of the time, I love the feel of it but my wife is not a fan of the size and all the dials etc.

CelticRambler · 21-08-2019 10:38am

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Maybe photography enthusiast is a bit extreme. Loves taking photos but most is with her phone and the various apps she has.

Hmmm. If she really loves using various apps to add filters and borders and all that, then she might be disappointed with a "proper" camera that doesn't - and can't - do any of that. Just moving the photos from the camera to a phone/computer so they can be edited/shared/printed is an extra step that may put a brake on her enthusiasm.

You really need to decide (between you) what kind of photographic record you'd like to keep of the years ahead - hundreds (and hundreds and hundreds!

) of snapshots documenting almost every day of the baby's first year, or one or two competition-winning portraits.

In either case, don't underestimate the amount of time (and storage) you'll need to process those pictures afterwards - a precious commodity that you may not have until the baby's grown up and left home!

cnocbui · 21-08-2019 11:08am

CelticRambler wrote: »

Hmmm. If she really loves using various apps to add filters and borders and all that, then she might be disappointed with a "proper" camera that doesn't - and can't - do any of that. Just moving the photos from the camera to a phone/computer so they can be edited/shared/printed is an extra step that may put a brake on her enthusiasm.

You really need to decide (between you) what kind of photographic record you'd like to keep of the years ahead - hundreds (and hundreds and hundreds! ) of snapshots documenting almost every day of the baby's first year, or one or two competition-winning portraits.

In either case, don't underestimate the amount of time (and storage) you'll need to process those pictures afterwards - a precious commodity that you may not have until the baby's grown up and left home!

Some good points. There is a camera that has Pro level features and performance - Olympus Pen-F - and price of course - that rather copped some flack for also including a suite of Art filters and effects, particularly some aimed at reproducing the 'look' of 35mm film types - and made these accessible via a dedicated dial. It has WiFi, and apart from being able to be operated remotely via a phone app, the app can also transfer photos from the camera to the phone for further messing with or can even automatically downsize - or not - and upload them directly to social media from the camera. No computer needed.

Sadly - because it is absolutely gorgeous - it has just been discontinued as it was quite expensive and didn't sell well outside Japan. There is a lightly used one on UK ebay at the moment for £685 ONO that even tempts me, now that I think about it, as it's better than my E-M1

LuckyGent88 · 21-08-2019 12:11pm

CelticRambler wrote: »

Hmmm. If she really loves using various apps to add filters and borders and all that, then she might be disappointed with a "proper" camera that doesn't - and can't - do any of that. Just moving the photos from the camera to a phone/computer so they can be edited/shared/printed is an extra step that may put a brake on her enthusiasm.

You really need to decide (between you) what kind of photographic record you'd like to keep of the years ahead - hundreds (and hundreds and hundreds! ) of snapshots documenting almost every day of the baby's first year, or one or two competition-winning portraits.

In either case, don't underestimate the amount of time (and storage) you'll need to process those pictures afterwards - a precious commodity that you may not have until the baby's grown up and left home!

Thanks for your thoughts. Plenty to digest. I’ll have a discussion and go from there

Klemantine · 19-09-2019 9:56am

To date, I think the best is the mirrorless camera. My choice is Sony a 6000. But I am sure that there are many more decent cameras and additional devices for them on the market . I as a person who works in the field of photography for 10 years, I can't do without stabilizers. Over the years I have identified two types it's Zhiyun Crane Plus and DJI Ronin SC https://gimbalgarage.com/best-gimbals-for-mirrorless-cameras/. At the time of writing, the Zhiyun Crane Plus is one of the most recent additions to the line up of gimbals that have been designed for use with mirrorless camera. Both work perfectly in conjunction with Sony A 6000 camera. This is my short opinion about all these devices.

dball · 04-11-2019 8:39pm

can anyone recommend which of these 2 lenses to buy,

its for a Canon Eos20D
not sure either will work/fit on this this camera???

I'm looking to shoot some nice portraits indoors and some indoor property pictures:
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II Lens
Electronics / Camera Lenses

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM Lens
Electronics / Camera Lenses

will there be much improvement on my current EFS18-55mm??

CelticRambler · 04-11-2019 9:11pm

dball wrote: »

can anyone recommend which of these 2 lenses to buy,

its for a Canon Eos20D
not sure either will work/fit on this this camera???

I'm looking to shoot some nice portraits indoors and some indoor property pictures:

As the 20D has an APS-C sensor, a 50mm lens isn't going to be that great for indoor property pictures. I mostly use a Canon 10-18mm f/4.5 zoom for small-room shots (e.g. bathroom) or a Canon 24mm f/2.8 if I need the wider aperture. I'd only use the 50mm for shots of particular detail.

It's been a while since I looked into the difference between the Mk II and the STM. In the end, on the basis of many YouTube and other reviews, I bought a 50mm f/1.8 Yongnuo for a still/starter kit, found it "perfectly satisfactory" but went on to buy a Canon 50mm STM for video use. The STM is definitely quieter and faster, but otherwise the performance seems about the same.

Is your 18-55 the EF-S III kit lens? If so, I have one of those too. I don't think I've seen it for at least three years! :pac: I use an 18-135mm as my day-to-day lens (big and heavy, not especially fast, but great for being the right lens at the right time when I don't know what I'll find during a photo-hike.

dball · 05-11-2019 6:41pm

yes it is the kit lens, well i think it is, i bough it second hand and its all that came with it.

Would my choice of the above 50 mm lenses be a more wide angle option than i currently have?

CelticRambler · 05-11-2019 7:34pm

dball wrote: »

Would my choice of the above 50 mm lenses be a more wide angle option than i currently have?

Wide angle, no. It'll be (effectively) the same as the 55mm end of your current lens. What you'll gain will be a lof of extra f/stops, but unless you're looking for a blurred/bokeh background when photographing specific details within a room, it'll be of no real benefit for interior property shots. The improvement in low-light performance is a questionable advantage for this kind of photography as you could just as easily use a tripod and a slightly longer exposure with the lens you have ... and you'll be able to get so much more into the frame working at the 18mm end of the zoom.

For portraits, however, you would get some/much improvement, as the wider aperture/blurred background would come into its own then, and the low-light performance would be a significant advantage when taking candid shots in ambient light.

dball · 05-11-2019 7:57pm

thank you for the concise answer, perfect,

cheers

Lord TSC · 14-04-2020 10:50pm

Photography is something I’ve always wanted to get into, and given summer holidays are a no go this year, I’m leaning towards treating myself to a proper camera.something in the €400 range.

I’ve got a Samsung Galaxy S9 and love taking scenic shots, landscapes and cityscapes, but obviously phones have limitations. But I’d be looking for a starter camera that can take far more detailed shots.

Should I be looking for a DSLR camera for those sorts of shots? I see the Canon EOS 4000D and 18-55mm lens on Amazon for just under 300. 2000D version is about €370.

But I don’t want to buy one and find out it’s way more aimed at live action shots and such. Are they decent options for a starter camera for someone looking to get into landscape style photography? I don't want to invest much more than €400 on a starter camera in case I get it and realise I actually don't like taking pictures all that much :P

Is there other cameras that would be better options at that price range?

CelticRambler · 14-04-2020 11:11pm

Lord TSC wrote: »

But I don’t want to buy one and find out it’s way more aimed at live action shots and such.

The 4000D has shooting modes for Intelligent Auto, Flash Off, Creative Auto, Portrait, Landscape, Close-up, Sports, Foods, Night Portrait, Program AE, Shutter priority AE, Aperture priority AE, Manual exposure, Movie - that should reassure that it's not just for live action shots! And if you have a look at the Random Photography thread, you'll see that the members of this forum take all kinds of pictures, mostly with DSLRs.

Lord TSC wrote: »

I don't want to invest much more than €400 on a starter camera in case I get it and realise I actually don't like taking pictures all that much :P

If you're still at that stage of indecision, you need to realise that there's no such thing as a starter camera (well, other than the one that comes with your phone :pac: ); what you really have to think about are the starter lenses and how they'll help - or hinder - you in getting more from a DSLR than you can manage with a phone.

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