Which Camera? Please read OP first

romperstomper · 24-03-2019 11:49PM

now that the x-T30 is available, the X-T20 will go for this money second hand. I went from E-M5 to X-t20 and it is a considerable upgrade

Sheeps · 25-03-2019 12:54AM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

300 to 400 but if something is within a reasonable price from that i can stretch a bit

The cameras mentioned above or second-hand cameras are perfectly good for the price, where they fall down is on the lens selection. You sound like it's going to be your hobby from the original post. For that reason, I'd consider thinking about the lenses, which is ultimately where you will gain all of your longevity. Generally speaking, you don't necessarily purchase a camera, as much as you buy into a camera system.

At that price you mentioned, you could buy an entry-level Canon (who have more or less the best lens line up in the business), and quite a number of really good but cheap entry-level lenses for when you feel like expanding your kit a bit (if you find that you like photography).

Nikon, also have a decent variety of lenses, at arguably a smaller price point, however, their endgame probably isn't that strong when it comes to mirrorless, which is where the industry seems to be going (if you want to consider long term choices).

Sony, the prices start a little higher, I think but they also have one of the best mirrorless cameras on the market when you think of upgrading down the line. Their lenses are also quite good.

Other brands aren't too bad, in terms of camera features but really fall short on the lens selection.

There's no right answer, but a Canon EOS 1300D or a Nikon D3500 would be perfectly suitable for a beginner.

Menelaun · 17-04-2019 09:02AM

Hi,

Looking for a camera that I can capture video and photos on, Mainly for recording football matches and for team photographs and action shots etc
So it would need a decent battery as the clubs pitch is wide and our current camera requires us to zoom in and out a lot

400/500 quid would be the budget and would also need a tripod to attach it too

Cheers

Bluefoam · 17-04-2019 10:09AM

Menelaun wrote: »

Hi,

Looking for a camera that I can capture video and photos on, Mainly for recording football matches and for team photographs and action shots etc
So it would need a decent battery as the clubs pitch is wide and our current camera requires us to zoom in and out a lot

400/500 quid would be the budget and would also need a tripod to attach it too

Cheers

My suggestion as usual is a Canon M6. It's a very capable camera & within your budget. Decent lens selection and good video control. Battery is really good by my standards (a bit better than most), but you may need a second battery to get a full match in... I'd say it's the same for most cameras in that price range.

https://www.eglobalcentral.eu/canon-eos-m6-mirrorless-digital-camera-with-ef-m-15-45mm-camera-kit-white.html

Sonics2k · 01-05-2019 08:24AM

Hi folks!

I'm looking to get back into photography after taking a break for some years.
I'm just looking for advice on a good camera, preferably Canon. Largely just my own wanderings and nothing 'professional' (events, weddings etc).

I was looking at the Canon 4000D which seems to be the latest entry level camera, but with the model numbers all over the place with Canon, can anyone recommend a model or two up from that?

I'm currently using an old Finepix S6500, which while serving well really lacks an awful lot of functionality and a very low MP count (6.1MP I believe) compared to most modern phones and cameras.

Also, is IS pretty much built into lenses/cameras now?

edit: Meant to clarify. Would much, much prefer a DSLR. Style of photography is portraiture or of mechanical with an emphasis on detail and light.

cnocbui · 01-05-2019 11:12AM

Some more modern cameras have IS built into the body with the best being Olympus and Panasonic and Sony behind them. With Canon you need to buy IS lenses and it's not as effective.

will56 · 14-05-2019 01:54PM

Looking to upgrade from my D5500 to something better.

I am using the camera for the usual family shots, fast moving children along with some event and fashion shoot work.

I'm finding the AF, buffering and shutter speed and lack of hss or compatible is holding me back for the work use of the camera.

I'm looking at the D7200 or D7500.
I'm aware of the lack of second card slot and battery grip but I'm not concerned about these. Camera is big enough as it is and I always have a spare battery with me.

The 4k is a nice bonus but won't be a deal breaker.

I'm thinking the 8fps, buffer and tilt screen is worth the extra cash ?

Most of my lenses are DX so I won't be going to FX just yet due to the cost of the glass.

Has anyone experience with these cameras ?
Anyone used both and prefer one over the other ?

Cabaal · 20-05-2019 12:59PM

I've had a Canon 400D w/battery grip which I picked up in USA back in 2007 (so its labelled as Digital Rebel XTi in North America) and I'm looking to finally replace it....well I'll still use it but I'd like a new DSLR with video.

I'd like to stay with Canon for the new DSLR but I'd also like to shoot video with the aim of adding my Tascam DR-05X Audio Recorder to improve the audio when shooting video since the mic's can suck on the camera's.

Also, I have some gear which I currently use with the Canon 400D including
- Sigma 24-70
- Sigma 10-20mm
- Canon 50mm
- Sigma 70-200
- Speedlite 430ex

Few questions regarding getting a new Canon

- Would I be able to use my existing lens's with the newer model DSLR's? (I'm assuming I can and the flash should work fine).
- I'm fairly green to the DSLR video and so would only certain models have the option to connect in the Tascam DR-05X using the kit it uses? (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tascam-AK-DR11-°C-Accessory-Kit/dp/B00H5DC3LO/)

Most importantly, what would people recommend for a new Canon?

Alanstrainor · 20-05-2019 01:55PM

In short. Yes you can get a more modern Canon that will shoot video and be able to use your old lenses. Canon's lineup is a bit on the confusing side imo, and really we'd need to know your budget?

Almost any camera is going to be a huge upgrade coming from a 400D. That camera is ancient, and almost any new camera will produce lovely clean images in comparison to the 400D. Canon can be on the restrictive side in terms of video, so you might have to do some thinking as to what you want from the camera. Is 4k important? If so Canon is a bit difficult on that front, almost all of their cameras (maybe all of them actually), suffer from cropping when shooting 4k and other issues. If you're looking at shooting 1080p only then you should be able to find something that fits the bill.

You mic will also work well. I'm not familiar with it, does it have a line out to allow you to connect directly to the camera? Or is it standalone? It doesn't matter too much, it just means there will be some work in post.

I think I'd look at the Canon M50. Now this is a mirrorless camera, and you will have to buy a Canon lens adapter to allow it to accept your current lenses. But it is the best budget video Canon option imo. For shooting 1080p it produces fantastic video, and up to 60p as well which is quite nice. It is a very small camera which may be good or bad depending on what you want.

Bluefoam · 20-05-2019 02:01PM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

In short. Yes you can get a more modern Canon that will shoot video and be able to use your old lenses. Canon's lineup is a bit on the confusing side imo, and really we'd need to know your budget?

Almost any camera is going to be a huge upgrade coming from a 400D. That camera is ancient, and almost any new camera will produce lovely clean images in comparison to the 400D. Canon can be on the restrictive side in terms of video, so you might have to do some thinking as to what you want from the camera. Is 4k important? If so Canon is a bit difficult on that front, almost all of their cameras (maybe all of them actually), suffer from cropping when shooting 4k and other issues. If you're looking at shooting 1080p only then you should be able to find something that fits the bill.

You mic will also work well. I'm not familiar with it, does it have a line out to allow you to connect directly to the camera? Or is it standalone? It doesn't matter too much, it just means there will be some work in post.

I think I'd look at the Canon M50. Now this is a mirrorless camera, and you will have to buy a Canon lens adapter to allow it to accept your current lenses. But it is the best budget video Canon option imo. For shooting 1080p it produces fantastic video, and up to 60p as well which is quite nice. It is a very small camera which may be good or bad depending on what you want.

+1 for the M50

Cabaal · 20-05-2019 02:51PM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

In short. Yes you can get a more modern Canon that will shoot video and be able to use your old lenses. Canon's lineup is a bit on the confusing side imo, and really we'd need to know your budget?

Should have said, around 600-700e

Almost any camera is going to be a huge upgrade coming from a 400D. That camera is ancient, and almost any new camera will produce lovely clean images in comparison to the 400D. Canon can be on the restrictive side in terms of video, so you might have to do some thinking as to what you want from the camera. Is 4k important? If so Canon is a bit difficult on that front, almost all of their cameras (maybe all of them actually), suffer from cropping when shooting 4k and other issues. If you're looking at shooting 1080p only then you should be able to find something that fits the bill.

4k would be nice, but I'm not prepared to blow the budget to get it.
Would be nice to somewhat future proof it of course.

You mic will also work well. I'm not familiar with it, does it have a line out to allow you to connect directly to the camera? Or is it standalone? It doesn't matter too much, it just means there will be some work in post.

Mic has a line out that can connect directly to the camera using the kit mentioned in my post. It then can sit on the flashmount on-top of the camera. I got the mic for another task but would like to benefit from the superior audio it'll produce over the built in camera mic.

I think I'd look at the Canon M50. Now this is a mirrorless camera, and you will have to buy a Canon lens adapter to allow it to accept your current lenses. But it is the best budget video Canon option imo. For shooting 1080p it produces fantastic video, and up to 60p as well which is quite nice. It is a very small camera which may be good or bad depending on what you want.

I'd likely see smaller being a pain when you add the heavier lens imho
400D w/battery grip + flash + 24-70mm wasn't exactly light to be fair :P
I'll miss having the battery grip, was great for the great battery life but gave a good balance to the camera and made holding it for portrait mode a pleasure.

I did spot the M50 and does look the job, is this the lens adapter you were referencing?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-6098B005-Mount-Adapter-EF-EOS/dp/B008O0IE2Y/

Alanstrainor · 20-05-2019 03:40PM

That's one option for adapters, this would do the job at a quarter of the price:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adapter-Ring-Canon-M-Meike-MK-C-AF4/dp/B00YES32HM/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_421_tr_t_2

I totally understand the size issue. I think I'd be the same tbh, I'm shooting a Canon Eos R at the minute which is smaller than my previous 60D but still sizeable.

The thing is that the M50 is just much better bang for buck compared to the 800D which is the next in line in terms of DSLR options. The body only option is in budget, but it offers perhaps worse specs in a lot of ways. Older processor, same sensor, and the EVF is debatable perhaps but I reckon it's a game changer. The video on the 800D is not as good as on the M50 either.

And actually, I'd have to question just how much difference in size there really is between these cameras. Just googling a bit there, the grips are almost identical. The M50 is smaller as it does not need a mirror box. But the dimensions that matter when holding the camera are quite similar. It is much lighter as well. There is no battery grip for the M50 though, which might be annoying.

Cabaal · 20-05-2019 04:19PM

Alanstrainor wrote: »

That's one option for adapters, this would do the job at a quarter of the price:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adapter-Ring-Canon-M-Meike-MK-C-AF4/dp/B00YES32HM/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_421_tr_t_2

I totally understand the size issue. I think I'd be the same tbh, I'm shooting a Canon Eos R at the minute which is smaller than my previous 60D but still sizeable.

The thing is that the M50 is just much better bang for buck compared to the 800D which is the next in line in terms of DSLR options. The body only option is in budget, but it offers perhaps worse specs in a lot of ways. Older processor, same sensor, and the EVF is debatable perhaps but I reckon it's a game changer. The video on the 800D is not as good as on the M50 either.

And actually, I'd have to question just how much difference in size there really is between these cameras. Just googling a bit there, the grips are almost identical. The M50 is smaller as it does not need a mirror box. But the dimensions that matter when holding the camera are quite similar. It is much lighter as well. There is no battery grip for the M50 though, which might be annoying.

Appreciate the assistance on this,
I might try getting a look at the M50 in flesh in a local shop before I commit but it looks like it'll do what I want. Now just need to put the money together

Alanstrainor · 20-05-2019 04:35PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Appreciate the assistance on this,
I might try getting a look at the M50 in flesh in a local shop before I commit but it looks like it'll do what I want. Now just need to put the money together

Yeah I should have mentioned that going out and seeing both would be the best next step. Although... in saying that I went out and bought the Eos R without ever seeing one in the flesh. Just walked in and out of the shop like I was buying a bottle of coke! Ha!

CelticRambler · 23-05-2019 01:18PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Few questions regarding getting a new Canon

- Would I be able to use my existing lens's with the newer model DSLR's? (I'm assuming I can and the flash should work fine).
- I'm fairly green to the DSLR video and so would only certain models have the option to connect in the Tascam DR-05X using the kit it uses? (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tascam-AK-DR11-°C-Accessory-Kit/dp/B00H5DC3LO/)

Most importantly, what would people recommend for a new Canon?

Can you use your old lenses - yes, no problem at all.

Ditto for the flash.

Can you use the Tascam - yes, no, maybe. You will need to ensure that the model you choose has a line-in connection, and the entry-level EOS models (e.g. 1200D) don't. Most of the one-level-up models do, though, but check the specs. That said, I've got a Tascam DR05 (for my 70D) and never use it to feed audio to the camera because it does a far better job doing what it was made for, i.e. taking its own inputs and recording them locally. Instead, I use the crappy sound from the in-camera mic for synch in post, or - if I really want half-decent audio recorded direct to camera - use a Røde directional mic.

Which model? Contrary to the advice given by others, I would suggest you stick with a Canon for now. You're already familiar with the brand, and if you're only starting into video (forgive me if I'm making an incorrect assumption :pac: ) your learning curve will be steep enough without adding additional factors (like sound recording :rolleyes: )

My daughter uses a (ten? year old) 60D for her video projects and gets perfectly good images from it.* Keep your cash for another lens or two, a lavalier mic, a decent light, a decent tripod, a decent gimbal ... because no amount of 4k will make up for an out-of-focus shaky image with audio that no-one can hear! :cool:

*(At least she would if she'd listen to her father and turn off auto focus! :mad: )

ED E · 25-05-2019 08:15PM

Also, Magic Lantern

monkeynuz · 12-07-2019 08:05AM

Hi chaps,

I would like to have a go at photography again (mainly landscapes and a bit of wildlife) but don’t know where to start, I don’t want to spend a fortune to begin with as I might not be as interested as I think I am!

So the question is do I go for - (all Nikon) d300/s + 16-80, d5600 + 16-80, d7500 with 18-140 kit Len, d500 16-80 or the new z6 with the 24-70?

I think that’s all.

Hope You guys can help me decide.

Tia.

Monkey.

will56 · 12-07-2019 08:16AM

monkeynuz wrote: »

Hi chaps,

I would like to have a go at photography again (mainly landscapes and a bit of wildlife) but don’t know where to start, I don’t want to spend a fortune to begin with as I might not be as interested as I think I am!

So the question is do I go for - (all Nikon) d300/s + 16-80, d5600 + 16-80, d7500 with 18-140 kit Len, d500 16-80 or the new z6 with the 24-70?

I think that’s all.

Hope You guys can help me decide.

Tia.

Monkey.

There are better people than me that can answer this question but I can highly recommend the D7500 from that list
I've had the D3500, D5500 and now the D7500
Apart from moving to full frame (if I ever do) I am now happy with the body I'm using
The LCD display, full manual controls and overall feel of the D7500 is fantastic.
There is only one card slot, no official vertical grip and Snapbridge is a pain but I find the pros far outway the cons
8FPS and a 50shot buffer makes it brilliant for wildlife too, in fact there is a FB group for the camera and 90% of the shots are wildlife.

monkeynuz · 12-07-2019 08:59AM

will56 wrote: »

There are better people than me that can answer this question but I can highly recommend the D7500 from that list
I've had the D3500, D5500 and now the D7500
Apart from moving to full frame (if I ever do) I am now happy with the body I'm using
The LCD display, full manual controls and overall feel of the D7500 is fantastic.
There is only one card slot, no official vertical grip and Snapbridge is a pain but I find the pros far outway the cons
8FPS and a 50shot buffer makes it brilliant for wildlife too, in fact there is a FB group for the camera and 90% of the shots are wildlife.

Thanks will,

I have been giving the d7500 some serious consideration and it’s also a good price at the moment.

Thanks again.

M.

will56 · 15-07-2019 07:59AM

monkeynuz wrote: »

Thanks will,

I have been giving the d7500 some serious consideration and it’s also a good price at the moment.

Thanks again.

M.

Check Ebay as well, some great value on some lightly used ones

OffalyMedic · 12-08-2019 03:22PM

Hi everyone,

As you can guess I'm looking for a camera recommendation. I'm heading to Iceland in October and using it as an excuse to buy my first ever camera but I'm clueless as to what to get : compact vs DSLR etc. And I don't know what are necessary or not and so on. I played with the idea of getting a gopro for action shots and with risk or water from waterfalls etc but I think I want a proper camera that will do me for years for events like weddings , holidays, party's etc. Budget of 200-300 and am happy to buy 2nd hand for the right camera. Thanks

Bluefoam · 12-08-2019 04:13PM

OffalyMedic wrote: »

Hi everyone,

As you can guess I'm looking for a camera recommendation. I'm heading to Iceland in October and using it as an excuse to buy my first ever camera but I'm clueless as to what to get : compact vs DSLR etc. And I don't know what are necessary or not and so on. I played with the idea of getting a gopro for action shots and with risk or water from waterfalls etc but I think I want a proper camera that will do me for years for events like weddings , holidays, party's etc. Budget of 200-300 and am happy to buy 2nd hand for the right camera. Thanks

Get something that can grow with your ability... I'd suggest a Canon M100 system lens camera (for your budget). Gives you ease of use, more complex function as you progress and the ability to upgrade without moving to another system in the short to medium term...

OffalyMedic · 12-08-2019 07:28PM

Bluefoam wrote: »

Get something that can grow with your ability... I'd suggest a Canon M100 system lens camera (for your budget). Gives you ease of use, more complex function as you progress and the ability to upgrade without moving to another system in the short to medium term...

Canon EOS M100 Black + EF-M 15-45mm IS STM Lens Black EF-M 55-200mm IS STM Lens Black

Available 2nd hand almost new for €375, would this be a good buy?

Bluefoam · 12-08-2019 07:57PM

Yeh, not bad if it's in good condition. The 55-200 is a fantastic long lens for zooming in on your subject taking portraits etc, and the 15-45 is an all around lens that'll do landscapes, street shots and stuff...

I'm a divel and got a bunch of lenses for the system. 22mm prime is good for night time shooting and the 11-22 is fantastic for wide angle, interiors and landscapes... My body is the m6. I'll add the 28mm macro at some stage.

You'll really benefit from having both of those lenses.

OffalyMedic · 12-08-2019 09:04PM

My 2 options that i can find within budget are:

Nikon JI (€150)

Olympus EPL7 (€350)

Canon EoS M100 with 15-44mm and 55-200mm lenses (€325) or

Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark II Camera with no lense (€200)

If olympus which lens is best for all round shots of landscape, matches, family events?

Bluefoam · 12-08-2019 09:41PM

This article from DPReview is worth a read:

https://m.dpreview.com/opinion/0877988578/traveling-light-the-ups-and-downs-of-the-canon-eos-m100-in-mexico

cnocbui · 13-08-2019 12:50AM

OffalyMedic wrote: »

My 2 options that i can find within budget are:

Nikon JI (€150)

Olympus EPL7 (€350)

Canon EoS M100 with 15-44mm and 55-200mm lenses (€325) or

Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark II Camera with no lense (€200)

If olympus which lens is best for all round shots of landscape, matches, family events?

The best Olympus lens for that sort of general use, costs more than those cameras - The 12-100mm f4 Pro. At less lofty performance and price levels, the 12-50mm f3.6/6.3 is a good performer. I have one and it has great utility with a good price performance ratio. I also have the better, but more expensive, heavier and larger 12-40mm f2.8 Pro. Performance wise it's the best ' standard ' lens in the Olympus line-up, but...

Bluefoam · 13-08-2019 09:34AM

Just a question on Micro 4/3 systems used by Olympus & Panasonic etc... There is allot of talk that the system is running out of steam, that the image circle limits the size of sensor that can be used and thus limits the future deveopment of bodies for the system... I had this problem with my last system (Pentax Q)... it came to the point where I needed to upgrade the body after investing allot in the system, but no body was available with the (relatively normal) spec I required... I ended up having to sell it off at a heavy loss & spend more again rebuilding my setup.

Don't get me wrong, Micro 4/3 it is an astonishingly good system, but the advice I recieved was not to invest in it as a new user... only if you have a large collection of legacy equipment... The main takeway for me is the poor autofocus on newer cameras compared to the new Sony, Canon & Nikon models.

One reason I chose the Canon M system was the relative low cost of entry & the affordability of lenses... As the previous commenter mentioned, lenses for Micro 4/3 can cost well in excess of the bodies. I generally look at the cost of a wide angle zoom, as it's a lens I need most, I got mine for about €250 new, a similar lens for the Olympus system is over €500. I can't justify the high cost of a system, but I also can't see how a more expensive system would benefit me... My current setup is way more capable than my ability & it will remain so for a long time.

cnocbui · 13-08-2019 02:47PM

I can't make sense of your image circle worry. Lenses tend to be designed to project an image circle that encompasses the sensor they were intended for. M4/3 is no more running out of steam than any other format. Why not say that a Sony A7* or a Nikon D* camera systems are running out of steam and have dubious longevity because their lenses don't have adequate image circles for a medium format sensor such as you might find in a Hasselblad or Fuji?

The Olympus cameras with PDAF sensors - the E-M1 II/X - have probably the fastest and most accurate AF you can get for still subjects and excellent C-AF. Personally I value in body image stabilisation far more highly than a small percentage difference in C-AF keepers. Olympus cameras have better IBIS than any other make. Panasonic are not as good in C-AF or IBIS as Olympus - but they make the best bang for your buck video cameras you can get. They have excellent stills AF but their DFS system that handles C-AF isn't as good as PDAF.

The lenses I mentioned as costing more than a cheap body have very high levels of performance. Getting the same level of performance in Nikon, Canon or Sony lenses will generally cost you more for larger and heavier lenses. You can get fairly cheap m/4/3 lenses, just as you can get fairly cheap consumer grade lenses in most other systems. One reason I got into M4/3 was because not only does it have a very wide range of very good native lenses, but because of the short lens flange to sensor register, you can use a massive number of older manual FF lenses as well. I happened to have some very good Olympus manual FF lenses, so it was a no-brainer to go M4/3 and continue to use them. Coming from 35mm film, I am quite capable of manually focusing and am not lost without AF.

Yes, M4/3 can seem expensive, because there is a bit of a price premium for small, high quality lenses and bodies that have high performance, but that has often been the case in many areas of technology - a Sony RX1R will cost you €2,117, for example. M4/3 is about high performance in a small, relatively light system. This makes it an excellent choice for travel. You can certainly get more bang for your buck with APSC and consumer grade FF systems. If you don't need to shove them under an airline seat or carry them all day, they are a fine choice to save some money.

Bluefoam · 13-08-2019 02:57PM

cnocbui wrote: »

I can't make sense of your image circle worry.

First article I came across in Google:
https://fstoppers.com/gear/imminent-death-micro-four-thirds-301146

Tony Northrup discusses why he thinks micro four-thirds as a format will not survive long. Northrup estimates that in around five years, we may not see any new cameras using that sensor type.

Like I said, the micro 4/3 system is fantastic, but I couldn't justify it over other systems because it doesn't offer any more, has poor focus compared with the competition and lags the specs of other cameras that are equally as good. The Olympus mentioned earlier doesn't even have a microphone input, and even though video hasn't been mentioned, that is currently a minimum requiremnet for many users.

Why should the OP buy into an expensive system, when there are affordable systems that will work equally well or better?

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