Scary that a Communist totalitarian dictatorship has less restrictive gun laws than a western progressive EU country like Ireland.

https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2019/03/chinese-penalties-for-illegal-ownership.html?fbclid=IwAR0T0ZkDvZjDl80hNGVVnua2yH2RV-6SXoGu75QqhHNp19DM8BUjEGtXZDU

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Scary that a Communist totalitarian dictatorship has less restrictive gun laws than a western progressive EU country like Ireland.

https://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2019/03/chinese-penalties-for-illegal-ownership.html?fbclid=IwAR0T0ZkDvZjDl80hNGVVnua2yH2RV-6SXoGu75QqhHNp19DM8BUjEGtXZDU

Hardly,

In 1996, the law was changed to make it very difficult for almost anyone to legally own a gun. Common air rifles, which had not been considered guns, were defined as guns by a change in the law.

The only thing that's different is they don't come down hard on the possession of ammunition

The gun laws in China are extremely restrictive. On the other hand, enforcement of the law against people with small amounts of ammunition, and even guns, appears to be closer to American enforcement for traffic tickets than American misdemeanors or felonies.

We have our own problems but hyperbole that we're worse than China gets us nowhere. They've a massive black market in firearms there according to the article..I don't think expanding our own black market is something we should aspire to.

BattleCorp wrote: »

Too lazy to post a link but it looks like NZ's law abiding gun owners are about to get fcuked up the ass.

I wonder has there been a sudden unexpected boost in the sale of plastic sewer pipe lengths and end caps in NZ's hardware depots, and has the NZ SAR noted a sudden increase in boating accidents involving gun owners??:D:D

It does seem to have had unexpected consequences tho.:D
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8654322/new-zealanders-panic-buying-guns-pm-vowed-toughen-law/
Who says Govts dont surrender to terrorists?NZ now holds the record for acquiescing the fastest to a terrorist demand.As this ghoul stated quite clearly in his manifesto he chose these type of weapons to create a gun ban in NZ and eventually the US. And what has the NZ gone and done or is doing??

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

n

Possesing one SINGLE airgun pellet,a lump of lead with no explosive power without a liscense here could nail you for five!! Go see what result you will get here with 200 rounds of Military style ammo, or go make up a slam fire shotgun and go for a walk past the cop shop.and see what sentence you get or if you can pay off Garda Muldoon to drop the charge.

Ergo,the Chinese dont seem to consider their black market of firearms or possession of illegal stuff to be much more than what we consider a parking or speeding ticket category of crime.

What's the issue with that?

That's the way it should be, should be ten years. Nobody should be in possession of any article they're not licenced for.

I see airsoft lads on FB all the time importing 'real steel' as they would call it rifle magazines and gutting them for airsoft internals, importing mil spec stocks etc. The ease with which that stuff gets in in what we should be concerned with, not how the sentence for possessing unlicenced ammuntion is unfair.

I've had wooden stocks stopped on me but there's lads importing mil spec AR15 stocks and handguards not a bother for an airsoft gun.

Witcher wrote: »

What's the issue with that?

That's the way it should be, should be ten years. Nobody should be in possession of any article they're not licenced for.

I see airsoft lads on FB all the time importing 'real steel' as they would call it rifle magazines and gutting them for airsoft internals, importing mil spec stocks etc. The ease with which that stuff gets in in what we should be concerned with, not how the sentence for possessing unlicenced ammuntion is unfair.

I've had wooden stocks stopped on me but there's lads importing mil spec AR15 stocks and handguards not a bother for an airsoft gun.

Theres nothing illegal about processing a part thats interchangeable between a AR-15 and a airsoft gun hell even a m16 part as when attached to a airsoft gun it, its attached to a "firearm" which doesnt require a licence, ofc it must have a muzzle energy of less than one joule

Witcher wrote: »

It's a component part of a firearm so you need a licence for it, that it's on an airsoft means nothing.

I don't think it's quite as simple as that. Yes, if you had the component such as a Magpul stock on its own, then yes, it could be considered a firearm component.

That said, airsoft rifles (toys) are often so closely modelled on the real thing that parts such as stocks are interchangeable. I'm no airsoft expert but I'm sure that airsoft replicas can be bought with Magpul or other similar stocks that would fit an AR15. I fail to see how you could be prosecuted for having such a stock on your airsoft rifle.

If that was the case, surely all airsoft rifles would be illegal without a full licence?

What's the issue with that?

It invalidates your point for a start. That a dictatorship is more lenient than a so-called democracy on possession of illegal ammo.

That's the way it should be, should be ten years. Nobody should be in possession of any article they're not licenced for.

Glad you like paying taxes for keeping people locked up for those time lengths and the new jails we will have to build for all these future arch criminals.As 10 years seems to become all the rage in sentencing these days...

Do you know that in most Western countries in Europe something like that IE a 1st-time offence is a "Don't do it again" warning, and even 2nd or 3rd offence its a fine or non-custodial sentence?? Ireland and the UK have the hardest penalties for illegal possession of unlicensed firearms and ammo. Even for stuff you found innocently.IE a box of bullets from great granddads 303 last seen in 1920 at the back of a closet.A possible custodial sentence straight off.So we are already stricter than the PRC.

I see airsoft lads on FB all the time importing 'real steel' as they would call it rifle magazines and gutting them for airsoft internals, importing mil-spec stocks etc.

A link, please???
They must be some genuises is all I can say,or very disappointed when they do get any stuff. As airsoft tolerances are deliberately made to be utterly out of spec with real firearms and have been for a long while.
BTW I'd avoid "mil spec " anything,its rubbish made by the lowest govt bidder to supply a govt contract. Ask any soldier how good Milspec equipment is.

The ease with which that stuff gets in what we should be concerned with, not how the sentence for possessing unlicensed ammunition is unfair.

Yeah on drug shipments, genuine full auto stuff falling into the hands of fanatics, criminals terrorists and whatnot.Not worried about a bunch of people playing Tacticool operator out in their local forest, with some mangled bit a mag hanging on their plastic and pot metal toy.

I've had wooden stocks stopped on me but there are lads importing mil-spec AR15 stocks and handguards not a bother for an airsoft gun

.[/QUOTE]

Are you sure they are REAL firearms parts ?? Just because it has "Mag Tech" written on it, for example, does in NO WAY make it a compatible part for a live firearm! The copy cat industry in the Far East is unbelievable these days.I had a long debate with an Italian firearms journalist about using a Kopis clamshell stock for my Glock 9mm as a carbine,as the Kopis for airsoft and the real are identical to the naked eye.

It's the material that s different. The live firearm Kopis clamshell is a reinforced polymer, while the airsoft stuff is just reinforced plastic.but you couldnt tell the difference It's an easy mistake to make, and I have l looked at once changing an AR handguard for a tactical one from an airsoft store. The specs were out just enough to prevent it fitting a real AR.
And let's not mention the "poor pony" aka Aero industries upper and lower receiver kits that were here for sale for a while. Utter pot metal junk that you couldn't even torque on a barrel nut.:D:D
So that might explain why these "firearms parts" are getting thru easier than your genuine Woodstock?:)

The EU gun ban caught another kick in the teeth from the Finns.They were talking about serious gun bans for about four years before deciding on "commonsense gun laws"

think we have to classify this as a serious win:

Reservists:
This is the part that really takes the cake. Up until now, all reservists have applied firearms permits as “sportshooters”. After 4 years of lobbying, we finally hit a major home run. We have a completely new valid reason to apply for gun permit and it is national defense. This applies to everyone who could theoretically be drafted during time war (everyone who has been in the army, so pretty much all males). This “reason” was banned by the Russians in 1945, but now after a good active cooperation with all reserve organizations we managed to associate AR-15 from “mass murder tools” to “reserve rifles” by running multi-year campaign in medias. As a result it would have been political suicide for any politician to try to ban them. Even the green party voted in favor of assault weapons for everyone… Beat that.

In addition to that, there will be official tax payer funded program to improve shooting skills of reservists, which is quite extensive. You have pistol training, long range work, carbine shooting. Hell, in the advanced curriculum of the program they teach door breaching with shotguns in combat situations. A very useful skill for a citizen to have. There is free training, you can bring your own gun, or borrow one if you don’t own one yet. Lets see how this program takes off. Did I mention tax payer funded?

Grand Fathering:
Implemented. People who have bought semiautomatics after 12.6.2017 will have to reapply for permits (free of charge) and those who have valid reason will get A-permits. (Collector, sportshooter, reservists etc).
Hunters:
Magazine restrictions for hunters for new permits. They took the hit.

Sportshooters:
Psychological tests were abolished recently. Short firearm requires 24 months of documented sportshooting with club owned firearm and club membership. This has not changed since 2011.
Long firearm requires now club membership and 12 months. Sport shooting exception was fully implemented so normal magazines allowed.

Community owned firearms:
These were supposed to be banned but we fought this off and won. There is now a “training exception” which allows clubs to buy guns with normal capacity magazines (class A firearms that is) and use them to train new shooters. This is valuable and significant win, because now we have a way of bringing new shooters into sport that requires certain “trial period” like 12 months for rifles.

Collectors:
Finnish proposal included a ban for shooting all guns part of collections. We fought this hard. We won. Its remains legal for collectors to shoot their full auto weapons just like before. Because you know, its “for science”. No markings for historically significant firearms either.

Short Rifles:
Minimum length of rifle was 84 cm in Finland. Now, we stated that it should aligned with EU. As result short AR-15 just became legal with telescoping stocks. They were restricted before.

Magazines:
You permit will be canceled if you are found in possession of normal capacity magazine without permit in case they can prove that you did it on purpose.

Lengths of permits:
The unrestricted permits are still possible and a permit should not be fixed time, unless there is a really good reason to do so. Even though the permit length is not limited, one has to proof that you still need the gun every 5 years or so, by essentially being part of a club for example and occasionally shooting stuff.

Here in UK, one nut-job with a history of torturing cats and walking around muttering slaughtered his way around Hungerford. We lost ALL our semi-auto centrefire rifles and carbines because of the inadequacies of the police system.

In NZ, a FOREIGNER gets to legally own guns that he then uses to make a point, and get guns banned - his words. HE has won the day, not matter what happens to him now, and NZ has lost.

Actually looking at that badly worded legislation[sofar] The AR could survive this.courtsey of gun banning efforts of CALIFORNIA. There are a whole bunch of speed loading devices for CA that deal specifically with speed loading permanently pinned in place mags.
OR
I see the UK MARS/lever release designs becoming very popular there.

It's only part one of the bans IMO. This was done to stop panic buying of more unregistered CF SA's which were disappearing into the ether before the new bans come in. Watch this space. They have opened a Pandora's box now with saying they will do a buyback and NZ "only" has so few semi-autos...Wonder how the collectors will feel having to sell off Thompsons and Mp44s for the NZ states buyback??

See what you got in the new man/woman lotto in your district lads.:P

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/drew-harris-carries-out-major-reshuffle-of-senior-gardai-37949735.html

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Captured on a Noregewigans night vision/thermal firearms mounted optic. They are definitely not infallible devices and mistakes can still be made with them.Of course Sweden being one of the more gun ban-happy EU countries in Europe,this will add more grist to the anti-gun and hunting parties mills.:mad:

http://www.ladbible.com/news/weird-video-footage-shows-hunter-shooting-a-75-year-old-jogger-in-sweden-20190326?source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2d33_qgdwQGTD-kSJWNV1kXrKXVixJfcjxm917RhO16Bw0aaInOQU0f-g

Gobsh1tee of a hunter. He deserves everything he gets. Even if he was shooting at a deer, a house doesn't make a very good backstop.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/federal-court-strikes-down-california-gun-magazine-ban

A judge has struck down California's high capacity magazine ban.

Reading this lads,you'll probably think I've lost what few marbles I had, but bear with me...
Supposing all or as many as possible of us hunters and gun owners as possible voted Green party Ireland in the upcoming general elections in a few years time??

Ok,when you have all finished wiping down your computer or phone screens and managed to get yourselves upright from the laugh and stopped looking for the: phone number for Limericks home for the bewildered to send out two lads with a large butterfly net to take me away...:D:D:D I'll explain...

The Greens are a minority party of about Max 3,000 signed up members going by 2017 statistics. Gun owners and hunters of all types in Ireland are at conservative numbers, taking multiple licenses, etc over 100k!!! That's not including people like the Horsey fox hunting crowd, the Ward Union and all the rest...

See where we are going with this?? If we were to join the GP, [even say 10k worth of us] we become an overwhelming majority by the sheer weight of numbers and then have voting rights and say in the policy of the GP and the Green movement EU wide. It is an established party structure,with all the recognition of a registered political party as well. Just, shall we say "very misguided and misinformed" on field sports and conservation. With pro hunting and field sports and farmers interests now being represented. We actually would have clout in the Dail and even Brussels.

The crusties that are in it will literally die off as they won't be able to manoeuvre politically against a majority, and it would take the huge numbers to match ours to rebalance the party, and they will no doubt split and have to start from scratch with a new organisation which would take decades to rebuild.

It would cut off crowds like AFAR, ICABS, CACS at the neck from any meaningful allies on the political scene. They would be left with the likes of Mc Grath,little boy blue blood Barret,and other such types that no one takes seriously.

While they are not a major PITFH to us, yet. Statements like O Sullivan on the NZ shootings do sometimes get carried to other more powerful political types wanting to score points and as we saw all the times before with gun law in Irish politics its better to be in the tent pissiing in the pot than being outside the tent hoping to hit the pot.

And let the abuse begin...:):D