San Francisco 49ers Discussion

Podge_irl · 25-10-2020 11:28pm

I don't understand the 9ers.

Though suspect there is a large part of it that is Shanahan adapting to missing about a million players.

Foxtrol · 26-10-2020 12:28am

Podge_irl wrote: »

I don't understand the 9ers.

Though suspect there is a large part of it that is Shanahan adapting to missing about a million players.

The million players missing has been the problem. The 2 surprising losses were with a backup QB in and the other when the Dolphins bullied the 8th string CB and the run based scheme cant play from that far behind.

The offense is getting closer to healthy at this point (fingers crossed for Deebo & Wilson) and they've switched up their defense completely after loosing all their pass rush.

26-10-2020 3:46am

Certainly a few less known people out there but they put together a great game on both sides of the ball.

Jimmy was solid I thought. His second interception was of no consequence and pure shot for the sake of it.

Got a tough run coming up though. Can't see us beating Seattle at the moment.

myate · 26-10-2020 10:04am

So, are the Niners for real & that good or are NE total crap! Seriously the niners of the past two weeks are where the team should have been all season, regardless of injury. Everyone on that field played lights out.
Next week, we can win that. The team always shows up for the Seattle games, always plays the best against them. Wont be easy & they cant mess up on any side of the ball. But it will take 35+ points to win it....like Arizona did.
The tough run began last week...2-0 so far. 1 week at a time.

adrian522 · 26-10-2020 8:05pm

I think it's a little bit of both. The 49ers aren't as good as they looked last night,, but its also not 100% down to the Patriots being bad either.

Shanahan is doing his best to hide or protect Garoppolo and for the last 2 games he's been able to do that. A lot of runs, very short passes etc. Not really been in a position of needing to have Garoppolo drop back and pass.

The good news is that Seattle are very poor defensively, especially with Jamal Adams out and the 49ers offense, particularly the offensive line should be able to generate some offense and put up a good score.

The bad news is that Wilson is playing the best of any QB in the league and the Seattle receivers are top notch.

It will be interesting to see how they get on but you expect it to be close and and come down to a few plays that will decide the games.

Upcoming games will be crucial, Seattle, Green Bay and New Orleans. The Saints might be the most important as the last Wildcard spot may come down to the Saints and the 3rd place team in the NFC West.

That's assuming Green Bay and Chicago will both have enough wins at the end of the season to make the playoffs. The divisional games will also be crucial. I think the 49ers still have a good shot at the post season, but probably need to win 2 of the next 3, get to the bye at 6-4.

Then hopefully finish out 4-2 (games against Rams, Cardinals, Seahawks, Bills, Dallas and Washington). It possible but a pretty tall order.

adrian522 · 30-10-2020 12:05am

Kittle mic'd up

https://twitter.com/i/status/1321898369137152000

myate · 02-11-2020 3:55pm

Oh man...that was Miami-esque play last night. Right from the start the offence was just flat as a pancake. Bay Area is going all in now on Jimmy...stay or go. Even guys who were behind him are now wobbling...that includes myself! Does he go on IR, then comeback for the last part of the season, or do we see him Thursday. I don't think he can play Thursday. I also think Green Bay are going to want revenge for last years two games. Not going to be pretty.

adrian522 · 02-11-2020 4:05pm

Yeah, it was bad but you'd have to say probably injury related. I actually think Green Bay will suit us a bit better.

Seattle defense is bad against the pass but solid against the run, at the moment we really need to be able to run the ball to get anything going, if we can't do that we can't win.

Green Bay are a bit softer against the run but at the moment you have to ask who is going to run the ball effectively? We are down Mostert, Coleman, Wilson. McKinnon looks finished. Hasty looks ok at best as long as he can hang on to the ball.

I think they need to sit Garoppolo until after the bye. if they could beat either Green Bay or Seattle behind a strong run game then they could make a run in the last 6 games. Not too likely but you never know.

Jimmy is nota bad QB, but when he can't throw properly or move around in the pocket things aren't going to end well.

Foxtrol · 02-11-2020 6:53pm

Traded away Kwon to the Saints. They really needed that cap space and he was arguably the 3rd best LB at this stage (when he wasn't injured).

Interested to see what they get for him seeing as how bad that contract was, presumably a later round. Glad they didn't do their usual thing of sticking with a guy they made a mistake with signing.

Foxtrol · 02-11-2020 7:07pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Traded away Kwon to the Saints. They really needed that cap space and he was arguably the 3rd best LB at this stage (when he wasn't injured).

Interested to see what they get for him seeing as how bad that contract was, presumably a later round. Glad they didn't do their usual thing of sticking with a guy they made a mistake with signing.

Conditional 5th and Kiko Alonso (who has an expiring contract). Not expecting anything from Alonso but we need a body there

Would take that though how much the saving is doesn't seem as clear due to his restructure.

02-11-2020 8:41pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Conditional 5th and Kiko Alonso (who has an expiring contract). Not expecting anything from Alonso but we need a body there

Would take that though how much the saving is doesn't seem as clear due to his restructure.

Its looking like not our year. Kwon was expensive and injury prone but we didnt get an upgrade thats for sure. Conditional fifth, well if its Kittle 2.0 then yeah but I wont hold my breath.

Its eseentially a salary dump for next year

adrian522 · 02-11-2020 8:48pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Conditional 5th and Kiko Alonso (who has an expiring contract). Not expecting anything from Alonso but we need a body there

Would take that though how much the saving is doesn't seem as clear due to his restructure.

I read that they had so little cap space they couldn't activate Kevin White from the practice squad for the game and stay under the cap so hopefully it addresses problems like this.

Greenlaw isn't much of a downgrade as a starter either but they lose a little depth.

The additional draft pick is welcome, they have a fair few picks now. I think they are really feeling the effects of not having any picks in rounds 2-4 this year as they are lacking depth in a lot of positions.

Foxtrol · 02-11-2020 9:52pm

Kittle and Jimmy done for several weeks, if not the season. Such a downer from what we had coming into the year with. People can talk about 'super bowl hangover' but this season was just an unmitigated injury disaster, having gone through a lot of injuries last year even to make it to the super bowl.

From the sound of things Jimmy has been playing through more than they let on. Even though it might be the right decision it'll be hard to move on if we barely saw him play this season.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they become sellers and trade some more players. Move on some guys on the last year of their deal and not looking like they'll be renewed and get whatever they can.

adrian522 · 02-11-2020 10:07pm

Seriously what is going on with the injuries?
They'll need to keep Garoppolo around next season as they don't have any better options. I just hope they can bring someone in to complete for the starting job, I'm just not sure who that might be at this point.

Maybe they draft another QB this season?

Anyway, hard to imagine much for the rest of the season. Hopefully they don't collapse completely and win a few games.

They really set the team up to be competitive this year they have a lot of players with expiring contracts so it may be difficult next season too.

Podge_irl · 02-11-2020 10:09pm

I know I follow them and so will be more aware of their injuries, but the last 3/4 years seem to have been an absolute ****show on the injury front for the 9ers. Or is it just my imagination?

adrian522 · 02-11-2020 10:31pm

Yeah, and they already sacked all the conditioning trainers so that isn't really an option now. Some teams always seem to be injured. The eagles are the same.

myate · 02-11-2020 10:35pm

On Kwon trade, Alonso is on IR with an ACL!! Chances of seeing him in a Niners uniform are slim!
Kittle is a disaster for the team, on & off the field. Jordan Reed probably isn’t ready to comeback yet. No point doing a Coleman on him too.
Jimmy apparently told SI he still wasn’t right only last week! Just roll with Mullens now & for the rest of the year. I think its March before the decision on Jimmy needs to be made. Right now theres no other options there anyway that are better! So that leaves the draft & theres a bunch of teams needing a qb next year. Other option is Aaron Rodgers but not until 2022 I think.
Theres a lot to weigh up for Lynch & Coach!
One thing that should be immediate should be the replacement of the strength & conditioning coach.

04-11-2020 8:37am

So pettis is done as well. Really thought he could play a role but never seemed bothered

myate · 04-11-2020 12:33pm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

So pettis is done as well. Really thought he could play a role but never seemed bothered

Good riddance! His first year he showed potential. Next year when he showed up to camp out of shape...wtf! Waste of roster space ever since. If he wasn't a 2nd rounder I mightn't be so harsh, but he was! Compare him with Jalen Hurd, a 3rd rounder...can't stay healthy unfortunately but if he can next year, he'll be another Deebo/Ayuik.

06-11-2020 1:45am

myate wrote: »

Good riddance! His first year he showed potential. Next year when he showed up to camp out of shape...wtf! Waste of roster space ever since. If he wasn't a 2nd rounder I mightn't be so harsh, but he was! Compare him with Jalen Hurd, a 3rd rounder...can't stay healthy unfortunately but if he can next year, he'll be another Deebo/Ayuik.

Ayuik with covid now. Be calling up the ****ing waterboy soon!

myate · 07-11-2020 3:06pm

That was pretty much a disaster as expected with no offence really. Nothing more to say! Only positive is we can't loose this Sunday!!

myate · 13-11-2020 3:05pm

How bad are our injuries...turns out River Cracraft is game time decision! This Saints game ain't gonna be fun.

adrian522 · 13-11-2020 5:04pm

I don't think the success of the team is going to sink or swim (sorry :0) on the health of River Cracraft!

myate · 13-11-2020 5:10pm

Totally...even though he is game time decision, lots of sarcasm in there!! On a plus, plenty of guys should be back after the bye. But we loose a couple more, it's 100% all in on the draft decisions!!!

16-11-2020 12:59am

Read an article about the pros and cons of bringing kaep back to finish the season.

Would it be worth a last roll of the dice on him? Or do we just keep rotating Mullins and cj to end out the season? I would bring kaep back just for the fun of it, see if he has anything left in the tank

Right, I'm going to bed. I can't take another James fumble

Foxtrol · 17-11-2020 11:05pm

After seeing the news of the extra guys going on IR/COVID list, I took a check of spotrac and the team is up to $99 million of Cap on players on IR/PUP/COVID, compared to $88 million of cap on players that are available.

Apparently a few guys are hopefully coming back for the Rams game so we might not break that $100 million number. I however wouldn't be surprised if guys injury themselves during their time off

Ol' Donie · 18-11-2020 12:07am

Anyone know any Irish websites that might sell 49ers gear? Just want a hoodie or something like that.

adrian522 · 18-11-2020 12:24am

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Anyone know any Irish websites that might sell 49ers gear? Just want a hoodie or something like that.

https://europe.nflshop.com/en/san-francisco-49ers/t-14933729+z-9429469-881692624

https://store2.fanatics-intl.com/en/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/o-3527+t-25828229+z-90835-2969106188

In store Elverys sometimes have some gear but not a huge selection:

https://www.elverys.ie/elverys/en/NFL

29-11-2020 3:48pm

Mke or break game tonight I think. Go 4 and 7 in this group and we are done. Thankfully with Mostert and Wilson back we can implement a run game again elbeit against a team thats usually good against the run. Dont expect to see Sherman much

myate · 21-12-2020 1:04pm

And thats pretty much a wrap for 2020! When I said I was going to a playoff game last year, I considered waiting until this year, but ultimately went to the divisional round as it's never certain when a team will get back there...how true was that!
So many issues to sort now, contracts, draft. Huge off season coming up. The bones are there in the team, even with all the injuries the D has been solid enough. Secondary needs massive upgrade, but has done for the last few drafts yet no CB has been chosen. OL needs upgrading too, bring back Joe Staley to at least help coach as he says he'd like to do this and McGlinchey is certainly missing his buddy.
Finally, QB! Who knows what happens here. If Jimmys contract can be reworked, I'm fine with him staying another year. That bring Rodgers more into the equation for 2022 anyway (unless GB totally implodes in the playoffs & he decides he wants out now...dreaming!). If the contract is stuck, as much as I like Jimmy, I'd be happy changing to Stafford if we could get him. Do Jimmy a favour and offer him to Pats. The one stat that showed up last week was when we're behind by 7+ at half time, we've never won under Shanahan! Stafford is a comeback specialist. Just don't see Lynch drafting a QB first round unless somehow we trade up and thats gonna cost a lot & might not even be a possibility.
Oh and we might need a new DC and whoever he takes with him!!

adrian522 · 21-12-2020 2:33pm

The team was built to win this year. They have around 40 free agents. They have non CB's signed next year. I guess this offseason:

* Sign Trent Williams
* Sign Jason Verrett
* Let Sherman go
* Cut Dee Ford
* Kawann Williams - Probably have to let him go given the cap situation.
* Jimmy - I think you bring him back there are no better options there right now.
* Draft a QB (Not necessarily in the first round but someone with some potential)
* Bring in a veteran QB to complete and at least act as a competent backup.
* Move on from Mullens/Bethard
* Extend Fred Warner
* Draft a CB, Interior O-Line, Pass Rusher (again)
* Top up talent along O-line and secondary in free agency.
* Figure out an option at Center.
* Don't waste any money on running backs.
* Consider cutting Juzchek and Gould to free up some cash.

adrian522 · 22-12-2020 11:45pm

49ers have signed Josh Rosen apparently.

EDIT: Mullens done for the year apparently:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1341518478197616640

27-12-2020 1:45am

Should have brought kaep back for the last 2 games.

Not sold on jimmy still. Injuries abound but losing bosa, kittle and the whole back field nearly, hard to see how we could salvage the season.

Still, decent draft position and losing a few overpaid pieces that can be replaced cheaper should hopefully mean we can still have a crack next year.

myate · 27-12-2020 10:18am

"Sometimes when you win, you really lose, and sometimes when you lose, you really win". Suits this win for sure.

adrian522 · 31-12-2020 9:02pm

Well they didn't free up any money by cutting Gould, they gave him a fully guaranteed 2 year deal making him the 4th highest paid kicker in the league. He had been the 2nd highest paid kicker so thats something, but for a team in cap trouble that is too much to be paying their kicker.

What it does tell me though is that the 49ers see themselves as contenders next season, as if they were going into a rebuilding year they could have released Gould and gone cheaper at that position. Bringing back Gould implies that they feel they need a reliable kicker for a potential playoff run.

The 49ers currently own the 15th draft pick though a lot can change this week, there are 5 teams currently on 6-9, with a further 4 on 5 wins. The 49ers have played one of the toughest schedules this year which means they will likely lose out on tie-breakers with teams of the same record.

So we are rooting for the following teams this week:

New England v Jets
Minnesota v Detroit
Chargers v Chiefs
Dallas v Giants
Denver v Las Vegas
Carolina v New Orleans

Though Carolina one doesn't really matter as we would likely lose the tie breaker on SOS.

31-12-2020 9:11pm

Gould was a luxery I dont think we can afford. Dont get me wrong, I agree that theres worth in a reliable kicker but this isnt 2018 or 2019 when we were swimming in cap space and rookies. We need to free up cash. Replacing Gould with a rookie was a no brainer in my mind.

Perhaps thats why Im a schmuk on the couch and KS is earning millions to be an NFL coach.

Foxtrol · 31-12-2020 10:16pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Well they didn't free up any money by cutting Gould, they gave him a fully guaranteed 2 year deal making him the 4th highest paid kicker in the league. He had been the 2nd highest paid kicker so thats something, but for a team in cap trouble that is too much to be paying their kicker.

What it does tell me though is that the 49ers see themselves as contenders next season, as if they were going into a rebuilding year they could have released Gould and gone cheaper at that position. Bringing back Gould implies that they feel they need a reliable kicker for a potential playoff run.

The 49ers currently own the 15th draft pick though a lot can change this week, there are 5 teams currently on 6-9, with a further 4 on 5 wins. The 49ers have played one of the toughest schedules this year which means they will likely lose out on tie-breakers with teams of the same record.

So we are rooting for the following teams this week:

New England v Jets
Minnesota v Detroit
Chargers v Chiefs
Dallas v Giants
Denver v Las Vegas
Carolina v New Orleans

Though Carolina one doesn't really matter as we would likely lose the tie breaker on SOS.

Likely getting ahead of myself but they are definitely contenders next year. Despite injury upon injury to nearly every key player they were a handful of below average rather than dire backup QB performances away from the playoffs. A lot has been made about the number of FAs but the large majority of them can be relatively easily replaced and we aren't quite in the same kind of cap hole as a lot of teams. Gould's contract is a saving on average numbers and I wouldn't be at all surprised in finding it is heavily backloaded to the 2nd year, saving even more money for when things are tight.

From that list of games, I'd say it is quite likely the first 4 could happen (presuming Chiefs rest their stars). Even though I'd love a higher draft spot I'm very happy the team won last weekend. It helps the culture and the team going into the off season. No one knows how the draft or prospects will play out, that win however boosts the morale of the team and could help locking down a player or two on a slightly more team friendly deal.

adrian522 · 04-01-2021 1:54am

adrian522 wrote: »

New England v Jets
Minnesota v Detroit
Chargers v Chiefs
Dallas v Giants :mad:
Denver v Las Vegas :mad:
Carolina v New Orleans N/A

So things went pretty good for the 49ers. Dallas came up short, mainly because of a dodgy Dante Pettis Catch and no challenge from Dallas. Denver lost on a 2-pt conversion at the end of the game.

The 49ers will pick at 12th. The win against Arizona 'cost' them 3 places in the draft.

myate · 04-01-2021 9:38am

That Seattle game is what we needed against Arz last week...play hard, come up just short! Oh well!

Foxtrol · 04-01-2021 2:55pm

myate wrote: »

That Seattle game is what we needed against Arz last week...play hard, come up just short! Oh well!

Strongly disagree. The team and staff spent over a month away from their families, mostly having to stay alone in hotel rooms and supposedly not even interacting with each other outside of the practice field. It would have been horrible for them to go through that only for 5 losses in a row. I'm much happier to see them fight to the end even if that means a slightly worse draft pick, which are dart throws at the best of times.

After only skimming a lot of the draft coverage until FA last year, due to the deep run, post super bowl depression, and the expectation of only having a very late pick, I'm looking forward to diving deeper this year. This offseason should be really interesting, especially what they do at QB - though this might change at this point I'm open to nearly whatever they decide, FA, trade up in draft for the top tier, draft a 2nd/3rd tier guy, stick with Jimmy, or a mix of those. The one option I'm very much against is having Jimmy's full cap hit on the books and moving up to draft a top tier QB - it is just too much resources for that position to win when either Jimmy or a young QB would need that support elsewhere.

Given our draft history, presuming we can Williams back at LT, I am mentally prepared for us to pick up another DL this year, once it is an edge guy.

myate · 08-01-2021 10:50am

Seeing as it kinda began a few weeks ago with Jimmy, it's gonna be a long offseason with rumours & rumours. Deshaun Watson to the Niners! Can't see it happening but would be nice! I guess we'll have to wait until March when Jimmy's contract is due.

Johnrazz · 08-01-2021 12:13pm

myate wrote: »

Seeing as it kinda began a few weeks ago with Jimmy, it's gonna be a long offseason with rumours & rumours. Deshaun Watson to the Niners! Can't see it happening but would be nice! I guess we'll have to wait until March when Jimmy's contract is due.

I think it’s only SF and Miami that could give Houston what they want. A QB that could slot right in for them and picks, they need picks badly.

Jimmy a first and a second for Deshaun, who says no?

Miami better placed if they decide to move on from Tua they could give them back the #3 pick and Tua and they’ll still have a first rounder.

adrian522 · 08-01-2021 12:42pm

If I was Houston I'd say no to that. Even with the number 3 pick they are not getting a QB in the same league as Watson. Houston would be insane to even consider trading him to be honest.

myate · 08-01-2021 1:16pm

Gonna take more than 1st, 2nd & a player. More likely minimum two 1st's and a 2nd and a player. But if someone really really wants him, three 1st's. Jamal Adams was two 1st's and he's not a QB! Trades are now like contracts...the next big player traded always commands more than the last!

adrian522 · 08-01-2021 1:20pm

You know I'm starting to think drafting Solomon Thomas may have been a mistake

myate · 11-01-2021 12:00pm

Never forget...this day last year we were playing in the Divisional Round! https://imgur.com/a/Ul7GWVf
Now it's Jimmy to stay or go!

12-01-2021 6:24pm

Would you take the rumoured trade? Jimmy and picks for Lamar?

Hes a great player and I love a QB that can take off on a sneak but hes gonna cost a lot and I think we need the draft picks.

adrian522 · 12-01-2021 6:28pm

Lamar? Do you mean Watson?

I would say yes, in a heartbeat but I don't see any way it happens unfortunately.

12-01-2021 6:30pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Lamar? Do you mean Watson?

I would say yes, in a heartbeat but I don't see any way it happens unfortunately.

Yeah. My bad

myate · 12-01-2021 6:31pm

Lamar...thats a new one! Definitely not on the rumour mill. And no I wouldn't want him, he is Kap 2.0...wait & see! Watson yes (discussed a few posts back)...happy to hand over 3 1st rounders too, and Jimmy. Very surprised if Lynch & Kyle do it though. They tend not to listen to Jerry Rice, Michael Irvin etc!

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