Beep scheme - anyone joining

Hard Knocks · 31-07-2020 6:55pm

tanko wrote: »

About €12 i think for two shots of Rispoval 3.
Don’t vaccinate for IBR, don’t know if i’ll have to for this scheme.

1 5ml shot RSV PI3 initially with second 5ml shot and 1 2ml shot of IBR live 4 weeks later

Base price · 31-07-2020 7:31pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

1 5ml shot RSV PI3 initially with second 5ml shot and 1 2ml shot of IBR live 4 weeks later

Are you sure about 5ml's. Rispoval RS+PI3 is a 2ml intranasal dose per head. We have been using it for many years on all the calves that we buy in.
Rispoval 3 is a 4ml injection per head with a follow up injection of 4ml 3/4 weeks later.
Edit to add - maybe other manufactures have different dose rates - I'm only aware of Rispoval.

Rispoval RS+PI3 - https://www.zoetis.ie/products/beef-cattle/vaccines/rispoval-rs+pi3-intranasal-beef.aspx
Rispoval 3 - https://www.zoetis.ie/products/dairy-cattle/vaccines/rispoval-3.aspx

Hard Knocks · 31-07-2020 10:46pm

Base price wrote: »

Are you sure about 5ml's. Rispoval RS+PI3 is a 2ml intranasal dose per head. We have been using it for many years on all the calves that we buy in.
Rispoval 3 is a 4ml injection per head with a follow up injection of 4ml 3/4 weeks later.
Edit to add - maybe other manufactures have different dose rates - I'm only aware of Rispoval.

Rispoval RS+PI3 - https://www.zoetis.ie/products/beef-cattle/vaccines/rispoval-rs+pi3-intranasal-beef.aspx
Rispoval 3 - https://www.zoetis.ie/products/dairy-cattle/vaccines/rispoval-3.aspx

Bovipast 50ml - 10 shots

Base price · 31-07-2020 11:28pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Bovipast 50ml - 10 shots

Ah, it's a different product that we don't use.

bogman_bass · 01-08-2020 4:47pm

Done with bovipast and ibr here

jfh · 01-08-2020 5:41pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

Done with bovipast and ibr here

As in that you are not using them anymore?
If I had a modern airy shed, I wouldn't bother either but I have been vaccinating here every year

bogman_bass · 02-08-2020 10:24am

No. Sorry. I use bovipast and the ibr live vaccine in the redbox whose name I can’t think of.

Aravo · 04-08-2020 8:28am

Dung sampling complete
Weighing complete over weekend

I think it best to get there things done when suits you best.

ABitofsense · 04-08-2020 9:36am

We started the creep feeding a week ago now. Its taking the calves alot longer to eat the meal this year/show interest in it. I'm trying to track what they're eating too so roughly at 8kg/day currently between 19 calves. It will take a while to get to the 1kg/day per calf!

Hard Knocks · 07-08-2020 9:45am

See there’s a weight report on icbf
All calves weighed before 100 days are not counted
Have to be 100-300 days

tanko · 07-08-2020 9:57am

Hard Knocks wrote: »

See there’s a weight report on icbf
All calves weighed before 100 days are not counted
Have to be 100-300 days

Not counted for payment or not counted for just the weight report??

Sugarbowl · 07-08-2020 11:05am

tanko wrote: »

Not counted for payment or not counted for just the weight report??

Will get payment for them all but only those of a certain age get the detailed breakdown in the report.

I weighed them early so none of my spring calves are in the report. Just the Autumn ones. Will get paid for them all though. Something similar happened last year.

Hard Knocks · 07-08-2020 11:44am

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Will get payment for them all but only those of a certain age get the detailed breakdown in the report.

I weighed them early so none of my spring calves are in the report. Just the Autumn ones. Will get paid for them all though. Something similar happened last year.

Hope you’re right
I didn’t get paid on the early ones last year

Sugarbowl · 07-08-2020 4:43pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Hope you’re right
I didn’t get paid on the early ones last year

Were they born in the correct time frame? After July 1st? I got paid for all mine anyway born in the 12 month time frame.

new2me · 07-08-2020 8:11pm

is the 90 euro per suckler cow finished, only heard about it today

893bet · 07-08-2020 8:22pm

new2me wrote: »

is the 90 euro per suckler cow finished, only heard about it today

90 per suckler cow and weanling calf pair.

You missed the deadline (15th May).

Hard Knocks · 07-08-2020 11:22pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Were they born in the correct time frame? After July 1st? I got paid for all mine anyway born in the 12 month time frame.

Born at right time
Anything weighed too young was not paid

High bike · 07-08-2020 11:29pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Born at right time
Anything weighed too young was not paid

theres nothing in the rules of the scheme about calves having to be a minimum age to weigh, they just have to be born on the farm in the reference period

Anto_Meath · 08-08-2020 10:00pm

Yes, I weighed the end of August last year, I had 2 June born calves and I got paid on them.

893bet · 08-08-2020 10:04pm

I have one 10 days old and got paid!

Bellview · 11-08-2020 1:41am

new2me wrote: »

is the 90 euro per suckler cow finished, only heard about it today

Application closed a while back. Not sure if any exceptions made for late applicants

Bellview · 11-08-2020 1:43am

High bike wrote: »

theres nothing in the rules of the scheme about calves having to be a minimum age to weigh, they just have to be born on the farm in the reference period

They prefer calf weighed between 100 and 300 days for more reliable average daily gain .. so a wide target of preferred dates

new2me · 11-08-2020 7:59pm

893bet wrote: »

90 per suckler cow and weanling calf pair.

You missed the deadline (15th May).

i wonder will it be back on again soon

patsy_mccabe · 15-08-2020 9:25pm

Well I weighed them today. Total madness. One cow jumped a gate and caught her back legs in the gate. She freed one and was pulling on the other. I ran and got a heavy pipe and beat the hoof forward enough for her to pull it free. I was sure she'd break it. Another went about jumping a wall and she due to calf within the week. I got her in the shed and she went for an opening on the side where I had a sheet taken down for ventilation. It was a long day between here and a neighbour's place.

Sami23 · 15-08-2020 9:40pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Well I weighed them today. Total madness. One cow jumped a gate and caught her back legs in the gate. She freed one and was pulling on the other. I ran and got a heavy pipe and beat the hoof forward enough for her to pull it free. I was sure she'd break it. Another went about jumping a wall and she due to calf within the week. I got her in the shed and she went for an opening on the side where I had a sheet taken down for ventilation. It was a long day between here and a neighbour's place.

Why were you weighing the cow that is due to calf

patsy_mccabe · 15-08-2020 10:03pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Why were you weighing the cow that is due to calf

Had them all in a bunch so ran them all tru.

Lady Haywire · 15-08-2020 10:06pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Why were you weighing the cow that is due to calf

Might have just been running with the cows & calves before calving.

Majority of calves eating nuts here now, dung samples back as negative for rumen fluke & low positive for liver fluke so happy with those. Might check again before housing to see if the rumen pos result goes up after a couple of wetter months.

patsy_mccabe · 16-08-2020 11:04am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

....Another went about jumping a wall and she due to calf within the week. I got her in the shed and she went for an opening on the side where I had a sheet taken down for ventilation. It was a long day between here and a neighbour's place.

Well this girl calved this morning. Must have been hormonal last night.

Fine bull calf, jumped up and drank her in front of me. She calved 5 days early and a calving interval of 320 days.

charolais0153 · 17-08-2020 8:58am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Well I weighed them today. Total madness. One cow jumped a gate and caught her back legs in the gate. She freed one and was pulling on the other. I ran and got a heavy pipe and beat the hoof forward enough for her to pull it free. I was sure she'd break it. Another went about jumping a wall and she due to calf within the week. I got her in the shed and she went for an opening on the side where I had a sheet taken down for ventilation. It was a long day between here and a neighbour's place.

Limousines are quiet:)

Sami23 · 17-08-2020 9:00am

Did many here buy a scales or do most just rent them.
I'm half thinking of getting one through TAMS and if there's no more BEEP after this year I can always sell it I suppose.
I rented one myself last year but it's a pain organising that and the bother of collecting and dropping it back.

Hard Knocks · 17-08-2020 10:38am

Sami23 wrote: »

Did many here buy a scales or do most just rent them.
I'm half thinking of getting one through TAMS and if there's no more BEEP after this year I can always sell it I suppose.
I rented one myself last year but it's a pain organising that and the bother of collecting and dropping it back.

I bought one 6 years ago for the weighing choice in the beef discussion groups
I find it great for sheep & cattle
It’s expensive the first day, mine has well paid for itself

Sami23 · 17-08-2020 11:03am

Hard Knocks wrote: »

I bought one 6 years ago for the weighing choice in the beef discussion groups
I find it great for sheep & cattle
It’s expensive the first day, mine has well paid for itself

That's good to hear.
if you don't mind expanding on that - why do you think it has paid for itself since.
Is it for accurate dosing weights ect. ?

Hard Knocks · 17-08-2020 11:53am

Sami23 wrote: »

That's good to hear.
if you don't mind expanding on that - why do you think it has paid for itself since.
Is it for accurate dosing weights ect. ?

I sold lambs at 50kg think they were 42kg, that was lost Kg’s
Same with weanlings, lots of times thinking you’re at 300kg when you’re at 400kg
Generally crossing the 350kg sees the price per Kg reduce

patsy_mccabe · 17-08-2020 1:43pm

charolais0153 wrote: »

Limousines are quiet:)

Ya, ............. quiet challenging. It was the same at the neighbour's place. One cow, he said would be trouble beforehand, just would not go up the crush. When we did eventually get her in, she put 3 legs on the scales and would not put the 4th. Took a good few belts to get her up.

Hard Knocks · 17-08-2020 2:02pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, ............. quiet challenging. It was the same at the neighbour's place. One cow, he said would be trouble beforehand, just would not go up the crush. When we did eventually get her in, she put 3 legs on the scales and would not put the 4th. Took a good few belts to get her up.

Pinch if nuts in a bucket works wonders

Have found if you run them through the scales once or twice before weighing it gets them use to the scales below and leaves easier for weighing

annubis · 17-08-2020 2:25pm

got results of dung samples back if you could call it a result, liver fluke present, no mention of whether it was a heavy burden or not, thought there would be a bit more detail, gathered samples day of herd test, had a heifer with blood scour same day and vets say to me to send in sample and see does it identify coccicidiosis , no mention of course in results but sure i guess they arent looking for that anyway

K9 · 18-08-2020 11:18am

If you have an old cubicle mat, cut it up and put it on the scales or use some straw. Takes away the clanging sound when they go onto the scales. Find it helps a lot especially if calves were on a lie back with straw in the spring.

Sami23 · 24-08-2020 6:55am

Anyone know if the vaccination for BBEP-S has to be done before November 1st the same as the weighing and dung sampling ?

Also, who are people finding cheapest for the dung testing and are all labs sending back a similar set of results or do some labs give more comprehensive results and dosing advice ?
TIA

reps4 · 27-08-2020 12:14pm

all.

2 questions on beep, only really tuned into it this week.

1. where are the meal feeding dates recorded

2. where are the weaning dates recorded

have been in my beep-s homepage on ICBF herdplus and no optins foe above here.

only scales weights are an option

893bet · 27-08-2020 1:18pm

reps4 wrote: »

all.

2 questions on beep, only really tuned into it this week.

1. where are the meal feeding dates recorded

2. where are the weaning dates recorded

have been in my beep-s homepage on ICBF herdplus and no optins foe above here.

only scales weights are an option

They are not on ICBF.

I am tracking with an excel sheet and keeping fed dockets

Hurling Hereford · 27-08-2020 5:22pm

reps4 wrote: »

all.

2 questions on beep, only really tuned into it this week.

1. where are the meal feeding dates recorded

2. where are the weaning dates recorded

have been in my beep-s homepage on ICBF herdplus and no optins foe above here.

only scales weights are an option

Email beep@agriculture.gov.ie The lovely staff there will reply to those questions in 'jig time'

50HX · 27-08-2020 6:36pm

reps4 wrote: »

all.

2 questions on beep, only really tuned into it this week.

1. where are the meal feeding dates recorded

2. where are the weaning dates recorded

have been in my beep-s homepage on ICBF herdplus and no optins foe above here.

only scales weights are an option

My understanding for this and similar one off schemes is that you keep your own records

august12 · 27-08-2020 9:09pm

Sami23 wrote: »

Anyone know if the vaccination for BBEP-S has to be done before November 1st the same as the weighing and dung sampling ?

Also, who are people finding cheapest for the dung testing and are all labs sending back a similar set of results or do some labs give more comprehensive results and dosing advice ?
TIA

I rang them all yesterday, cheapest is farmlab, Elphin at 21euro, you can order and pay online, I asked all labs about the testing procedure and all 10 samples are pooled together to give one result, on the farmlab site, go into shop and select beep scheme kit, postage back to lab will be at your expense.

patsy_mccabe · 31-08-2020 4:05pm

Guys, neighbour wants to sell a suckler cow with 6 month calf at foot. Will he loose out on the payment of he sells together?
If he sells separately will he be fine? This way he can say calf was weaned.

Never wrestle with pigs · 31-08-2020 5:11pm

august12 wrote: »

I rang them all yesterday, cheapest is farmlab, Elphin at 21euro, you can order and pay online, I asked all labs about the testing procedure and all 10 samples are pooled together to give one result, on the farmlab site, go into shop and select beep scheme kit, postage back to lab will be at your expense.

Can you not just do your own dung samples as normal? Going to weigh mine during the week but I'm not board bia and I am not going to join either ðŸ˜‚ wonder will I get paid?

patsy_mccabe · 02-09-2020 10:52am

Another question -

if you are feeding meal under the scheme, do you have to wait at least 2 weeks, after weighing before you can sell?

From the Terms and Conditions, it says you have to feed meal for 4 weeks pre-weaning and 2 weeks post weaning. You also have to weigh the un-weaned calves. Putting both together that's 2 weeks minimum before you can sell after weighing.

tanko · 02-09-2020 11:10am

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

Can you not just do your own dung samples as normal? Going to weigh mine during the week but I'm not board bia and I am not going to join either ðŸ˜‚ wonder will I get paid?

You don’t have to be in Bord Bia for the BEEP-S scheme but you do or agree to join for the latest beef finisher payment.

bogman_bass · 02-09-2020 11:14am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Guys, neighbour wants to sell a suckler cow with 6 month calf at foot. Will he loose out on the payment of he sells together?
If he sells separately will he be fine? This way he can say calf was weaned.

Over 5 months he’s fine as long as he has his weighing done

tanko · 02-09-2020 11:32am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Guys, neighbour wants to sell a suckler cow with 6 month calf at foot. Will he loose out on the payment of he sells together?
If he sells separately will he be fine? This way he can say calf was weaned.

If he’s doing the meal feeding option he could have a problem there but if he’s not he should be ok afaik.

ABitofsense · 02-09-2020 11:43am

Can i rent a scales a 2nd time does anyone know?

Hoping to reweigh next week to see how their performing since being on nuts. More info for myself rather than the BEEP

Beep scheme - anyone joining

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