Beep scheme - anyone joining

Jack C

I was in the scheme last year and applied again there on Friday.
Ive just had a TB outbreak on the farm and 5 cows gone two weeks ago. Can I get anything for weighing their calves which are 7 months old now. Their cows were weighed last year.
Then in a follow up blood test I had 3 more go down. They are suppose to be slaughtered in a few days. For those 3 I was thinking of hiring a scales and weighing before they go but the list of eligible animals hasn't come up yet on icbf.

Lady Haywire

Sorry to hear about the test.
If you weighed them before they left the farm, at least you'd have the latest weight for them? Surely with force majeure like TB failure you can only do your best.

Hurling Hereford

Jack C wrote: »

I was in the scheme last year and applied again there on Friday.
Ive just had a TB outbreak on the farm and 5 cows gone two weeks ago. Can I get anything for weighing their calves which are 7 months old now. Their cows were weighed last year.
Then in a follow up blood test I had 3 more go down. They are suppose to be slaughtered in a few days. For those 3 I was thinking of hiring a scales and weighing before they go but the list of eligible animals hasn't come up yet on icbf.

Hi Jack. In relation to your unfortunate situation all I can advise you to do is to contact the Beef Schemes Section on 076 1064420 or beep@agriculture.gov.ie Explain your situation to them either on the phone or in writing and they'll help you with the matter. Sorry to hear about your current situation btw

Jack C

Thanks for replies,.... ,might try giving them a ring Wednesday.

nqtfarmer

Hi all, we’re late summer, autumn Calvers here so weighed calves today with the help of farm relief. I genuinely think this most be one of the most dangerous jobs I’ve ever done with cattle. Cows were fine to weigh but calves would do everything in their power to avoid putting legs on weighing scale. We got all 30 done eventually but with the help of myself and two others. What do people think of this scheme from a health and safety point of view?

Dozer1

Last year I got a fella with a scales for the autumn calvers and they were excitable. Got the scales off dairygold myself for the spring ones and no problem at all. I think sometimes the help doesn't work as cattle don't know them.

nqtfarmer

Dozer1 wrote: »

Last year I got a fella with a scales for the autumn calvers and they were excitable. Got the scales off dairygold myself for the spring ones and no problem at all. I think sometimes the help doesn't work as cattle don't know them.

Hard to say as I know without him I would have been lost in terms of help. Is it possible to weigh the cows and once you send weanlings to the mart You can use the mart scales??

Lime Tree Farm

Some posters advised putting straw on the scales, which we did and found it to be a great help. Just have extra straw to replenish it on the scales, as they will trample, muddie and scatter it.

50HX

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

Some posters advised putting straw on the scales, which we did and found it to be a great help. Just have extra straw to replenish it on the scales, as they will trample, muddie and scatter it.

+1 on the above really straw

Any time I had the herd in for Ai I ran them back out through the crush

Found it a great help for dosing at back end of last year and TB test this year

Hard Knocks

nqtfarmer wrote: »

Hi all, we’re late summer, autumn Calvers here so weighed calves today with the help of farm relief. I genuinely think this most be one of the most dangerous jobs I’ve ever done with cattle. Cows were fine to weigh but calves would do everything in their power to avoid putting legs on weighing scale. We got all 30 done eventually but with the help of myself and two others. What do people think of this scheme from a health and safety point of view?

Have my own scale and found cows wouldn’t get up on platform
If you run all through slowly they will be easier handled the second time
Key is not to panic

Sami23

tanko wrote: »

I see the new BEEP scheme is opening tomorrow.
€90 for the first 10 calves.
€80 per calf after that.

€50/calf for weighing the calf which is compulsory.
€30/calf for either vaccinating for pneumonia or feeding meal to calves pre weaning. These are optional.
€10 for testing dung for parasites which is optional also.

So with the applications open for a few weeks at this stage what are people picking for option 2 - Meal Feeding or Vaccination ?

Also, does anyone know how many Dung Samples you would need to get tested for say every 10 Cows in a herd ?
Would one sample cover the 10 ?

blue5000

Sami23 wrote: »

So with the applications open for a few weeks at this stage what are people picking for option 2 - Meal Feeding or Vaccination ?

Also, does anyone know how many Dung Samples you would need to get tested for say every 10 Cows in a herd ?
Would one sample cover the 10 ?

Yes.

tanko

Sami23 wrote: »

So with the applications open for a few weeks at this stage what are people picking for option 2 - Meal Feeding or Vaccination ?

Also, does anyone know how many Dung Samples you would need to get tested for say every 10 Cows in a herd ?
Would one sample cover the 10 ?

Ive been vaccinating anyway so will continue that.

The terms ans conditions say that at least 10 separate dung samples must be taken.

Does anyone know how much the dung sampling will cost.

TooOldBoots

Joining this year but it will be the last summer they'll have here. Come the Autumn all the cows will exit along with the Weanlings.
Winters are too long,
Suckler cows cost a fortune to feed.
Weanlings not leaving enough of a margin
Way too much work in them.

Hurling Hereford

tanko wrote: »

Ive been vaccinating anyway so will continue that.

The terms ans conditions say that at least 10 separate dung samples must be taken.

Does anyone know how much the dung sampling will cost.

Neighbor of mine phone the Dept about this yesterday. They still dont know how much it will cost or which Labs will be doing the sampling

Base price

Minister Creed is urging suckler farmers to apply for the scheme.

Is it worth it? I only have 3 beef heifers that are due to calf in the next few weeks. We vaccinate the bucket reared calves so it's an automatic procedure here.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/farmers-urged-to-apply-for-suckler-supports-539347

Dunedin

Base price wrote: »

Minister Creed is urging suckler farmers to apply for the scheme.

Is it worth it? I only have 3 beef heifers that are due to calf in the next few weeks. We vaccinate the bucket reared calves so it's an automatic procedure here.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/farmers-urged-to-apply-for-suckler-supports-539347

With the way cattle prices are going, you need to take every pound out of every scheme you can so a big YES is the answer

Hurling Hereford

Dunedin wrote: »

With the way cattle prices are going, you need to take every pound out of every scheme you can so a big YES is the answer

Couldn't agree more with you. Poste Covid 19 there may not be money like this available to us

Aravo

Signed up. Vaccination and the faecal egg count. Will see down the line if I will do the egg count, no info on labs yet.

Sami23

Aravo wrote: »

Signed up. Vaccination and the faecal egg count. Will see down the line if I will do the egg count, no info on labs yet.

Going to sign up myself over the weekend.
Would meal feeding not b more straight forward and cost effective than the vaccination when you'd probably be giving them a bit of meal anyway ?

Aravo

Sami23 wrote: »

Going to sign up myself over the weekend.
Would meal feeding not b more straight forward and cost effective than the vaccination when you'd probably be giving them a bit of meal anyway ?

vaccinate here as it is, so for me thats the way to go. I didn't study the meal feeding in detail, is the type and quantity of feed and minerals specified.

Sami23

Aravo wrote: »

vaccinate here as it is, so for me thats the way to go. I didn't study the meal feeding in detail, is the type and quantity of feed and minerals specified.

Tbh haven't looked myself yet either.
What vaccinations do you have to give to be compliant for this scheme and what sort of cost do they work out at per calf if you don't mind me asking

Aravo

Sami23 wrote: »

Tbh haven't looked myself yet either.
What vaccinations do you have to give to be compliant for this scheme and what sort of cost do they work out at per calf if you don't mind me asking

Risooval 3 used here, which covers RSV, Pi3 and BVD. Will need to add IBR. I think Rispoval 4 covers RSV, Pi3 and BVD and also IBR. Will need to get the OK from vet on what meets BEEP-S. Don't have figures at hand, but I know that with using the vaccinate system, it cuts out vets fees associated with pneumonia etc and one weaning passing on problems to another.

tanko

I use Rispoval 3 here. I think it's about €12 per animal for the two shots 3-4 weeks apart.

Sami23

tanko wrote: »

I use Rispoval 3 here. I think it's about €12 per animal for the two shots 3-4 weeks apart.

Scheme is paying €30 per calf for vaccination so makes sense I suppose especially if the meal feeding is any way specific or complicated

tanko

I think they might have to be done for IBR also so that will increase the cost i imagine.
Some vets have become very greedy with the prices of vaccines and medicines so i imagine the vets will be looking to profit from this scheme no doubt.

Aravo

tanko wrote: »

I think they might have to be done for IBR also so that will increase the cost i imagine.
Some vets have become very greedy with the prices of vaccines and medicines so i imagine the vets will be looking to profit from this scheme no doubt.

I'm same as you with 2 shots of Rispoval 3.
The question is, will Rispoval 4 which also covers IBR do the trick. Hopefully it does.

Hard Knocks

Aravo wrote: »

I'm same as you with 2 shots of Rispoval 3.
The question is, will Rispoval 4 which also covers IBR do the trick. Hopefully it does.

Is that a live or dead vaccine?

Aravo

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Is that a live or dead vaccine?

Risooval 3 is a live vaccine. Not sure about Rispoval 4

TooOldBoots

Aravo wrote: »

vaccinate here as it is, so for me thats the way to go. I didn't study the meal feeding in detail, is the type and quantity of feed and minerals specified.

Don't worry about the meal feeding, it'll be the same as the last time with the Weanling scheme:-
Just fill out the forms
Wean them in the Mart ring as per usual
Weanlings never look as good as when they are on Milk