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Proper Pronunciation or lah-dee-dah

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    #182
    dxhound2005
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    Beaulieu


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    #183
    Stovepipe
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    Sharon Ni Bheoilaun saying "pleece" for police and "med'sin" for medicine. Is she right? Also, Cer-vick-al or Cer-Vy-cal ?


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    #184
    Quantum Erasure
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    Cholmondeley


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    #185
    dxhound2005
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    Featherstonhaugh and Belvoir


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    #186
    Jakey Rolling
    Registered Users Posts: 918 ✭✭✭Jakey Rolling


    Overheard in a Glasgow bakery -

    Customer: "Is that a cake, or a meringue?"
    Shopkeeper: "Naw, yer right enough, its a cake..."

    100412.2526@compuserve.com



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    #187
    Jakey Rolling
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    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Featherstonhaugh and Belvoir

    Fanshaw?

    Never hear of the other one

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    #188
    dxhound2005
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    Pronounced Beaver.

    Overheard outside a Belfast music shop

    First woman: That's Nat King Cole
    Second woman: Well, who is it so?


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    #189
    Hamsterchops
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    Demesne.


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    #190
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
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    Stovepipe wrote: »
    Sharon Ni Bheoilaun saying "pleece" for police and "med'sin" for medicine. Is she right? Also, Cer-vick-al or Cer-Vy-cal ?

    Nobody knows. It depends on your accent & it varies.

    The only one that gets me on RTE is “kylo meters”

    It’s “kilOMiter”


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    #191
    AllForIt
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    I keep hearing journalists lately saying pro-ven instead of prooven [emphasis on o]
    Am I wrong?


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    #192
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    I keep hear journalists lately saying pro-ven instead of prooven [emphasis on o]
    Am I wrong?

    Pro-ven exists as a legal term. Scots law for example has a third verdict “not pro-ven” meaning we’re fairly sure you did it but we cannae prove it!!


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    #193
    AllForIt
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    FuzzyThinking wrote: »
    Pro-ven exists as a legal term. Scots law for example has a third verdict “not pro-ven” meaning we’re fairly sure you did it but we cannae prove it!!

    Ah, so I am wrong then! Thanks!


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    #194
    endacl
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    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Gateaux

    Load of bolleaux.


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    #195
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    Ah, so I am wrong then! Thanks!

    It depends. If you say “it’s pro-ven to be useful” it’s just wrong.

    You get people latching on to obscure pronunciations like that and using them inappropriately or weird legal terminology that shouldn’t be really used out of context as it’s just jargon.


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    #196
    Hamsterchops
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    Paul Reynolds, Orr Tee Eee.


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    #197
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Orr Tee Eee.

    There’s debate around how to pronounce the letter R

    We tend to say Ore or Orr.

    In English it’s often Ahh.

    In American English it’s more like Rrrr (like a pirate)


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    #198
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
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    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    https://www.cars.com/articles/how-do-you-properly-pronounce-hyundai-424128/

    Hyundai Engineering and Construction Co. was founded in South Korea in 1947 by Chung Ju-yung, and it added an automotive branch in 1967. The name itself is a transliteration from the Korean word for “modernity.” If you hear Koreans pronouncing it, you’ll hear it as “hyeondae,” with the “y” being clearly pronounced. But for the Americas, the company’s official position is that it’s “Hyundai like Sunday.”

    They should have anglicised it properly as Hyundae.


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    #199
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
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    FuzzyThinking wrote: »
    I honestly don’t know why we get so caught up about this.

    I’ve heard English people correct Irish pronunciation of Peugeot and it’s rather hilarious (as a French speaker) as both are almost equally wrong and the English highly intrusive R is completely wrong. You get something in England more like PeaahhhhhRrrrrr-Joe. There’s a little intrusive R in French but nothing as extreme as that.

    The reality is they’re words in a foreign language with totally different phonetics, you’ll get them wrong.

    In Spanish they just pronounce it all as they’re read in Spanish.

    YouTube - “Ooh Toob Ahy”
    Game Over - “Gambay Obray”
    Gourmet (as written with the T)
    Renault (Ren oww Ult”

    And so on.

    French announcements will call Aer Lingus - “Air Lang-Goose” and Dublin “doo blan” (which to be fair is closer to the native northside pronunciation anyway.)

    In Spain they usually do. Latin Americans are more likely to copy English pronunciations.


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    #200
    AllForIt
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    FuzzyThinking wrote: »
    There’s debate around how to pronounce the letter R

    We tend to say Ore or Orr.

    In English it’s often Ahh.

    In American English it’s more like Rrrr (like a pirate)

    Round these parts it's Are T E
    D4 seems more Orr T E
    I say Or T E, I think.


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    #201
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Hamsterchops wrote: »
    Lieutenant.
    The punch line is that there's no F in lieutenant


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    #202
    storker
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    cdgalwegian wrote: »
    It's the old Latin word for Romania, so I suppose it depends on that.

    That would make it Dahkeah. :)


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    #203
    Hamsterchops
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    FuzzyThinking wrote: »
    There’s debate around how to pronounce the letter R

    We tend to say Ore or Orr.

    'We' meaning North Dublin or where?

    Where I Iive we mostly say Ar instead of Orr.


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    #204
    splashthecash
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    One of the GAA coaches I know for the local club, when talking to the kids comes out with "Now I want lots of energy out there today lads, you's have to try as hard as you can"

    I shiver every time I hear it

    "Yous" and "Yiz" is a pet peeve of mine...


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    #205
    Larbre34
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    I would never correct another adult. But I will reply and make sure I use the correct pronunciation for whatever it is at least twice.

    I'm not too worried about foreign words, but the least we can do is have a crack at making them sound right.

    Renault is a great example. My Grandad always drove them and it was Renawlt for him all the way, but nobody says that anymore, Renoh. We're still wrong though, its RENN-oh, not reNNoh.

    However, we in Ireland and Britain say Cit-ron, whereas it is Cit-roh-ennnn (Citroën). Likewise Day-see-ah when it is properly Datch-eya (Dacia)


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    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
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    splashthecash wrote: »
    One of the GAA coaches I know for the local club, when talking to the kids comes out with "Now I want lots of energy out there today lads, you's have to try as hard as you can"

    I shiver every time I hear it

    "Yous" and "Yiz" is a pet peeve of mine...

    Then there's "ye" in other places.

    I personally see nothing wrong with it. Standard English is lacking a plural you, so Irish dialects have other ways of saying that.


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    #207
    Brendan Bendar
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    splashthecash wrote: »
    One of the GAA coaches I know for the local club, when talking to the kids comes out with "Now I want lots of energy out there today lads, you's have to try as hard as you can"

    I shiver every time I hear it

    "Yous" and "Yiz" is a pet peeve of mine...

    Don’t blame you, dude.


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    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    Then there's "ye" in other places.

    I personally see nothing wrong with it. Standard English is lacking a plural you, so Irish dialects have other ways of saying that.

    Ye would he worth resurrecting across the English speaking world. Best option. The others, youz, yous, yiz, you guys etc. - all worse.


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    #209
    dxhound2005
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    English hasn't developed by single random people deciding what are the best and worst options. Yous and Youse are listed in lots of dictionaries, so that reflects their usage.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yous#English


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    #210
    cdgalwegian
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    fvp4 wrote: »
    Ye would he worth resurrecting across the English speaking world. Best option. The others, youz, yous, yiz, you guys etc. - all worse.

    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    Then there's "ye" in other places.

    I personally see nothing wrong with it. Standard English is lacking a plural you, so Irish dialects have other ways of saying that.


    Ye is from Ye Olde English is it not? I use it all the time in emails and texts. Nothing wrong with it- in fact it's an efficient way of communicating the plural You without it being a colloqiualism. That, or y'all, which ain't never gonna happen, no sirreeeeh!


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    #211
    dxhound2005
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    cdgalwegian wrote: »
    Ye is from Ye Olde English is it not? I use it all the time in emails and texts. Nothing wrong with it- in fact it's an efficient way of communicating the plural You without it being a colloqiualism. That, or y'all, which ain't never gonna happen, no sirreeeeh!

    The Y in that Ye is a version of Th, so that Ye is the word The. Ye with the proper Y is related to You.


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