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Proper Pronunciation or lah-dee-dah

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I think the tide has turned with the pronunciation of Renault; it was mostly pronounced Renawlt, but now appears to be mainly Renoh. But what about Peugeot? Are we still embarrassed to pronounce it as it should- Puh-zho, instead of Pew-jo?

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dxhound2005

Beaulieu

Stovepipe

Sharon Ni Bheoilaun saying "pleece" for police and "med'sin" for medicine. Is she right? Also, Cer-vick-al or Cer-Vy-cal ?

Quantum Erasure

Cholmondeley

dxhound2005

Featherstonhaugh and Belvoir

Jakey Rolling

Overheard in a Glasgow bakery -

Customer: "Is that a cake, or a meringue?"
Shopkeeper: "Naw, yer right enough, its a cake..."

Jakey Rolling

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Featherstonhaugh and Belvoir

Fanshaw?

Never hear of the other one

dxhound2005

Pronounced Beaver.

Overheard outside a Belfast music shop

First woman: That's Nat King Cole
Second woman: Well, who is it so?

Hamsterchops

Demesne.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Stovepipe wrote: »

Sharon Ni Bheoilaun saying "pleece" for police and "med'sin" for medicine. Is she right? Also, Cer-vick-al or Cer-Vy-cal ?

Nobody knows. It depends on your accent & it varies.

The only one that gets me on RTE is “kylo meters”

It’s “kilOMiter”

AllForIt

I keep hearing journalists lately saying pro-ven instead of prooven [emphasis on o]
Am I wrong?

ClosedAccountFuzzy

AllForIt wrote: »

I keep hear journalists lately saying pro-ven instead of prooven [emphasis on o]
Am I wrong?

Pro-ven exists as a legal term. Scots law for example has a third verdict “not pro-ven” meaning we’re fairly sure you did it but we cannae prove it!!

AllForIt

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Pro-ven exists as a legal term. Scots law for example has a third verdict “not pro-ven” meaning we’re fairly sure you did it but we cannae prove it!!

Ah, so I am wrong then! Thanks!

endacl

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Gateaux

Load of bolleaux.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

AllForIt wrote: »

Ah, so I am wrong then! Thanks!

It depends. If you say “it’s pro-ven to be useful” it’s just wrong.

You get people latching on to obscure pronunciations like that and using them inappropriately or weird legal terminology that shouldn’t be really used out of context as it’s just jargon.

Hamsterchops

Paul Reynolds, Orr Tee Eee.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Orr Tee Eee.

There’s debate around how to pronounce the letter R

We tend to say Ore or Orr.

In English it’s often Ahh.

In American English it’s more like Rrrr (like a pirate)

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://www.cars.com/articles/how-do-you-properly-pronounce-hyundai-424128/

Hyundai Engineering and Construction Co. was founded in South Korea in 1947 by Chung Ju-yung, and it added an automotive branch in 1967. The name itself is a transliteration from the Korean word for “modernity.” If you hear Koreans pronouncing it, you’ll hear it as “hyeondae,” with the “y” being clearly pronounced. But for the Americas, the company’s official position is that it’s “Hyundai like Sunday.”

They should have anglicised it properly as Hyundae.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

I honestly don’t know why we get so caught up about this.

I’ve heard English people correct Irish pronunciation of Peugeot and it’s rather hilarious (as a French speaker) as both are almost equally wrong and the English highly intrusive R is completely wrong. You get something in England more like PeaahhhhhRrrrrr-Joe. There’s a little intrusive R in French but nothing as extreme as that.

The reality is they’re words in a foreign language with totally different phonetics, you’ll get them wrong.

In Spanish they just pronounce it all as they’re read in Spanish.

YouTube - “Ooh Toob Ahy”
Game Over - “Gambay Obray”
Gourmet (as written with the T)
Renault (Ren oww Ult”

And so on.

French announcements will call Aer Lingus - “Air Lang-Goose” and Dublin “doo blan” (which to be fair is closer to the native northside pronunciation anyway.)

In Spain they usually do. Latin Americans are more likely to copy English pronunciations.

AllForIt

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

There’s debate around how to pronounce the letter R

We tend to say Ore or Orr.

In English it’s often Ahh.

In American English it’s more like Rrrr (like a pirate)

Round these parts it's Are T E
D4 seems more Orr T E
I say Or T E, I think.

Capt'n Midnight

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Lieutenant.

The punch line is that there's no F in lieutenant

storker

cdgalwegian wrote: »

It's the old Latin word for Romania, so I suppose it depends on that.

That would make it Dahkeah.

Hamsterchops

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

There’s debate around how to pronounce the letter R

We tend to say Ore or Orr.

'We' meaning North Dublin or where?

Where I Iive we mostly say Ar instead of Orr.

splashthecash

One of the GAA coaches I know for the local club, when talking to the kids comes out with "Now I want lots of energy out there today lads, you's have to try as hard as you can"

I shiver every time I hear it

"Yous" and "Yiz" is a pet peeve of mine...

Larbre34

I would never correct another adult. But I will reply and make sure I use the correct pronunciation for whatever it is at least twice.

I'm not too worried about foreign words, but the least we can do is have a crack at making them sound right.

Renault is a great example. My Grandad always drove them and it was Renawlt for him all the way, but nobody says that anymore, Renoh. We're still wrong though, its RENN-oh, not reNNoh.

However, we in Ireland and Britain say Cit-ron, whereas it is Cit-roh-ennnn (Citroën). Likewise Day-see-ah when it is properly Datch-eya (Dacia)

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

splashthecash wrote: »

One of the GAA coaches I know for the local club, when talking to the kids comes out with "Now I want lots of energy out there today lads, you's have to try as hard as you can"

I shiver every time I hear it

"Yous" and "Yiz" is a pet peeve of mine...

Then there's "ye" in other places.

I personally see nothing wrong with it. Standard English is lacking a plural you, so Irish dialects have other ways of saying that.

Brendan Bendar

splashthecash wrote: »

One of the GAA coaches I know for the local club, when talking to the kids comes out with "Now I want lots of energy out there today lads, you's have to try as hard as you can"

I shiver every time I hear it

"Yous" and "Yiz" is a pet peeve of mine...

Don’t blame you, dude.

[Deleted User]

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Then there's "ye" in other places.

I personally see nothing wrong with it. Standard English is lacking a plural you, so Irish dialects have other ways of saying that.

Ye would he worth resurrecting across the English speaking world. Best option. The others, youz, yous, yiz, you guys etc. - all worse.

dxhound2005

English hasn't developed by single random people deciding what are the best and worst options. Yous and Youse are listed in lots of dictionaries, so that reflects their usage.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/yous#English

cdgalwegian

fvp4 wrote: »

Ye would he worth resurrecting across the English speaking world. Best option. The others, youz, yous, yiz, you guys etc. - all worse.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Then there's "ye" in other places.

I personally see nothing wrong with it. Standard English is lacking a plural you, so Irish dialects have other ways of saying that.

Ye is from Ye Olde English is it not? I use it all the time in emails and texts. Nothing wrong with it- in fact it's an efficient way of communicating the plural You without it being a colloqiualism. That, or y'all, which ain't never gonna happen, no sirreeeeh!

dxhound2005

cdgalwegian wrote: »

Ye is from Ye Olde English is it not? I use it all the time in emails and texts. Nothing wrong with it- in fact it's an efficient way of communicating the plural You without it being a colloqiualism. That, or y'all, which ain't never gonna happen, no sirreeeeh!

The Y in that Ye is a version of Th, so that Ye is the word The. Ye with the proper Y is related to You.