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Proper Pronunciation or lah-dee-dah

cdgalwegian

I think the tide has turned with the pronunciation of Renault; it was mostly pronounced Renawlt, but now appears to be mainly Renoh. But what about Peugeot? Are we still embarrassed to pronounce it as it should- Puh-zho, instead of Pew-jo?

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Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Then there's "ye" in other places.

I personally see nothing wrong with it. Standard English is lacking a plural you, so Irish dialects have other ways of saying that.

Ye would he worth resurrecting across the English speaking world. Best option. The others, youz, yous, yiz, you guys etc. - all worse.

Brendan Bendar

splashthecash wrote: »

One of the GAA coaches I know for the local club, when talking to the kids comes out with "Now I want lots of energy out there today lads, you's have to try as hard as you can"

I shiver every time I hear it

"Yous" and "Yiz" is a pet peeve of mine...

Don’t blame you, dude.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

splashthecash wrote: »

One of the GAA coaches I know for the local club, when talking to the kids comes out with "Now I want lots of energy out there today lads, you's have to try as hard as you can"

I shiver every time I hear it

"Yous" and "Yiz" is a pet peeve of mine...

Then there's "ye" in other places.

I personally see nothing wrong with it. Standard English is lacking a plural you, so Irish dialects have other ways of saying that.

Larbre34

I would never correct another adult. But I will reply and make sure I use the correct pronunciation for whatever it is at least twice.

I'm not too worried about foreign words, but the least we can do is have a crack at making them sound right.

Renault is a great example. My Grandad always drove them and it was Renawlt for him all the way, but nobody says that anymore, Renoh. We're still wrong though, its RENN-oh, not reNNoh.

However, we in Ireland and Britain say Cit-ron, whereas it is Cit-roh-ennnn (Citroën). Likewise Day-see-ah when it is properly Datch-eya (Dacia)

splashthecash

One of the GAA coaches I know for the local club, when talking to the kids comes out with "Now I want lots of energy out there today lads, you's have to try as hard as you can"

I shiver every time I hear it

"Yous" and "Yiz" is a pet peeve of mine...

Hamsterchops

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

There’s debate around how to pronounce the letter R

We tend to say Ore or Orr.

'We' meaning North Dublin or where?

Where I Iive we mostly say Ar instead of Orr.

storker

cdgalwegian wrote: »

It's the old Latin word for Romania, so I suppose it depends on that.

That would make it Dahkeah.

Capt'n Midnight

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Lieutenant.

The punch line is that there's no F in lieutenant

AllForIt

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

There’s debate around how to pronounce the letter R

We tend to say Ore or Orr.

In English it’s often Ahh.

In American English it’s more like Rrrr (like a pirate)

Round these parts it's Are T E
D4 seems more Orr T E
I say Or T E, I think.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

I honestly don’t know why we get so caught up about this.

I’ve heard English people correct Irish pronunciation of Peugeot and it’s rather hilarious (as a French speaker) as both are almost equally wrong and the English highly intrusive R is completely wrong. You get something in England more like PeaahhhhhRrrrrr-Joe. There’s a little intrusive R in French but nothing as extreme as that.

The reality is they’re words in a foreign language with totally different phonetics, you’ll get them wrong.

In Spanish they just pronounce it all as they’re read in Spanish.

YouTube - “Ooh Toob Ahy”
Game Over - “Gambay Obray”
Gourmet (as written with the T)
Renault (Ren oww Ult”

And so on.

French announcements will call Aer Lingus - “Air Lang-Goose” and Dublin “doo blan” (which to be fair is closer to the native northside pronunciation anyway.)

In Spain they usually do. Latin Americans are more likely to copy English pronunciations.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://www.cars.com/articles/how-do-you-properly-pronounce-hyundai-424128/

Hyundai Engineering and Construction Co. was founded in South Korea in 1947 by Chung Ju-yung, and it added an automotive branch in 1967. The name itself is a transliteration from the Korean word for “modernity.” If you hear Koreans pronouncing it, you’ll hear it as “hyeondae,” with the “y” being clearly pronounced. But for the Americas, the company’s official position is that it’s “Hyundai like Sunday.”

They should have anglicised it properly as Hyundae.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Orr Tee Eee.

There’s debate around how to pronounce the letter R

We tend to say Ore or Orr.

In English it’s often Ahh.

In American English it’s more like Rrrr (like a pirate)

Hamsterchops

Paul Reynolds, Orr Tee Eee.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

AllForIt wrote: »

Ah, so I am wrong then! Thanks!

It depends. If you say “it’s pro-ven to be useful” it’s just wrong.

You get people latching on to obscure pronunciations like that and using them inappropriately or weird legal terminology that shouldn’t be really used out of context as it’s just jargon.

endacl

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Gateaux

Load of bolleaux.

AllForIt

FuzzyThinking wrote: »

Pro-ven exists as a legal term. Scots law for example has a third verdict “not pro-ven” meaning we’re fairly sure you did it but we cannae prove it!!

Ah, so I am wrong then! Thanks!

ClosedAccountFuzzy

AllForIt wrote: »

I keep hear journalists lately saying pro-ven instead of prooven [emphasis on o]
Am I wrong?

Pro-ven exists as a legal term. Scots law for example has a third verdict “not pro-ven” meaning we’re fairly sure you did it but we cannae prove it!!

AllForIt

I keep hearing journalists lately saying pro-ven instead of prooven [emphasis on o]
Am I wrong?

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Stovepipe wrote: »

Sharon Ni Bheoilaun saying "pleece" for police and "med'sin" for medicine. Is she right? Also, Cer-vick-al or Cer-Vy-cal ?

Nobody knows. It depends on your accent & it varies.

The only one that gets me on RTE is “kylo meters”

It’s “kilOMiter”

Hamsterchops

Demesne.

dxhound2005

Pronounced Beaver.

Overheard outside a Belfast music shop

First woman: That's Nat King Cole
Second woman: Well, who is it so?

Jakey Rolling

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Featherstonhaugh and Belvoir

Fanshaw?

Never hear of the other one

Jakey Rolling

Overheard in a Glasgow bakery -

Customer: "Is that a cake, or a meringue?"
Shopkeeper: "Naw, yer right enough, its a cake..."

dxhound2005

Featherstonhaugh and Belvoir

Quantum Erasure

Cholmondeley

Stovepipe

Sharon Ni Bheoilaun saying "pleece" for police and "med'sin" for medicine. Is she right? Also, Cer-vick-al or Cer-Vy-cal ?

dxhound2005

Beaulieu

Hamsterchops

Lieutenant.

cdgalwegian

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It's strange that the anglicisation lost the K sound from the Spanish. Note the accent on the O which transfers the pronunciation stress onto the last syllable Took Son. Without the accent the stress would have been on the second last syllable.

From the Spanish Tucsón [tukˈson], from the O'odham Cuk Ṣon (literally “Spring at the base of the black mountain”) [tʃʊk ʂɔːn], the “black mountain” in question being the summit now known as Sentinel Peak, or “A Mountain”, just to the west of Tucson’s downtown area.

Was this car salesman some class of foreigner?

Nah, pure paddy.

ClosedAccountFuzzy

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

For most of Ireland it's closer to 200 years, with English used in the former Pale on the east coast since medieval times.

It’s even more complicated than that and it’s complicated in Britain too, as not everyone there spoke English and certainly not standard English until modern transport, widespread access to printing and the modern economy arrived. Their significant regional variations in English are driven by older forms of English or other languages: Welsh, Cornish, etc too.

In Ireland you’ve had English in the Pale since the 1200s and also large enclaves of it in Cork City, Waterford, probably Limerick going back as far and Galway City was most definitely bilingual with enclaves and divides. The English spoken in the Pale isn’t necessarily the same as England though. It evolved on its own path with influences from Irish interaction with Irish and inward movement of people to Dublin City in particular who would have been Irish speakers.

There’s fairly strong evidence that Cork may have held onto some form of Anglo Norman (ie heavy influences close to French) for much longer, as it was big and had less interaction with with Dublin / the Pale and connections to parts of SW England. It remained a somewhat independent trading port for a long time. That combined with a lot of Irish language influences and probably interactions with Bristol and South Wales by sea and through merchants and a big naval base, likely explains a lot of the unusual features Cork City’s accent. The intonations on a lot of words in Cork are often more like old French, the stress going on the last syllable and rising intonations for questions etc etc. You get bit of Elizabethan syntax/grammar still present in Cork too, certainly in the city.

Cork City also had a significant immigration of French Huguenots who were prominent in the city business community (often as traders) and seem to have left a legacy in the accent too.

In comparison to Ireland and Britain, US English is far more standardised as it largely evolved and spread after an era of mass movement. The same applies to Australian English. In Ireland and Britain we have dialects, regional variations and other linguistic influences and historical populations that didn’t move around much.

English as spoken here or in Britain has all the same kind of variations you’d see in languages on the continent. Whereas American English is quite notably homogenous.

Various forms of Hiberno English, Scots English, Welsh English and the dialects and variations in parts of England are absolutely legitimately part of the language.

Just to pick up on a point further up the thread, saying that the English struggle with their own language is just dismissing the fact that there are significant dialects and regional variations in England. They’re not incorrect. They just aren’t blandly standard.

None of these versions of English are wrong. They’re just part of the language and don’t let some inflexible snob tell you otherwise!