Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

I love Sean nos · 04-10-2017 8:39am

TheChizler wrote: »

No problem if there's space, they're stopped, and not at the top of a queue for a junction.

If I was a cyclist, I wouldn't do it. Especially for vehicles that are prone to pull in to the kerb, like buses.

I was having a hard time reconciling the "he had headphones on and seemed totally zoned out of what he was doing" statement with someone who was capable of squeezing between two buses at a junction, but then I read the helmet sentence and realised that it was just the usual bollocks being spouted. :rolleyes:

xckjoo · 04-10-2017 10:16am

I love Sean nos wrote: »

If I was a cyclist, I wouldn't do it. Especially for vehicles that are prone to pull in to the kerb, like buses.

I was having a hard time reconciling the "he had headphones on and seemed totally zoned out of what he was doing" statement with someone who was capable of squeezing between two buses at a junction, but then I read the helmet sentence and realised that it was just the usual bollocks being spouted. :rolleyes:

I'm with you on this (and I am a cyclist). Why take the risk to save a second or two? We'd all rightly complain if the roles were reversed. Just stop behind the bus with the rest of the traffic. Courtesy works both ways.

RayCun · 04-10-2017 10:51am

Vel wrote: »

I didn’t manage to remember reg plate of either, but not sure I want to be constantly reporting to TrafficWatch either with their ‘it will be your word against there’s’ line.

I gave up on trafficwatch, because I was tired of spending 10 minutes on hold.

I discovered there's a facility for emailing your local station, (eg Rathmines) which I found was less hassle. I got a call the next day from the station to discuss the incident.

CramCycle · 04-10-2017 11:17am

Genius yesterday morning as I rolled upto a red light (that had went red about 20m before I reached it). All the cars on my road had stopped, except one. Into the bus lane with indicator on about 150m back, the light has been red from about 100m for the driver before the junction. Cut the corner so close they skimmed my my front wheel. I got a confused look from their children in the back as I nearly fell over.

wing3nut · 04-10-2017 2:24pm

Cycling on Monday on a regional road (no hard shoulder) outside Athlone. Clipping along nicely as had a strong tailwing. An articulated car transporter (northern reg) I'm guessing underestimated my speed and decided to overtake into oncoming traffic. The oncoming traffic had to come to a complete stop for the maneuver. To be fair he gave me a wide berth until he was passed but a stupid overtake none the less.
Need to get cameras....

papu · 04-10-2017 6:02pm

The car pulling in on me was especially annoying, never even checked his mirror, even if he did, they look very poorly aligned.
Indicates with about 1 second warning.

Old Perry · 04-10-2017 6:13pm

papu wrote: »

The car pulling in on me was especially annoying, never even checked his mirror, even if he did, they look very poorly aligned.
Indicates with about 1 second warning.

Madness, some of the things ive read and seen on this thread are just mind boggling. all my cycling is done on rural roads for liesure/exercise, don't think I'd last two minutes in Dublin city.

DirkVoodoo · 04-10-2017 11:42pm

Can't believe that's another dublin bus overtake to pull in at a stop. Why is this suddenly an issue, what are they telling their drivers?

I was leaving St.Vincent's today by the Nutley exit. Big tailback.

Light turns red ahead of me. 1, 2 and finally 3 cars went through a solid red light. Oh yes, but you see officer, I'd been waiting so long in the queue that really the laws don't apply to me, I'm in a mad rush to get out of here. Bloody cyclists, right?

elusiveguy · 05-10-2017 8:40am

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Can't believe that's another dublin bus overtake to pull in at a stop. Why is this suddenly an issue, what are they telling their drivers?

Has it ever not been an issue??

Coming up towards Guinness yesterday heading east, had moved out to get right, across the lanes, green bus comes along-side, moves in on top of me, I move back in and he goes back out of the bus lane and accelerates away. Only explanation I can see it forcing me in and I can't understand why??

Same location earlier in the week, saw taxi a good bit back but coming very quickly, didn't feel comfortable with him passing at that speed difference so tried to start moving right early, stopped at the edge of the bus lane to let a car pass on my right, taxi driver passes within touching distance and starts shouting about delaying him and not checking behind and road tax.... I had moved over because I saw him moving way to quickly down the inside of a queue of traffic and I had waited in the lane because I saw a car coming from behind.... not sure what he thought I didn't see...

This is the **** that is making me not want to cycle, I was pissed off all evening after the taxi.... Most of my problems seem to be with professional drivers either on that stretch or along merchants quay

buffalo · 05-10-2017 9:22am

Coming back from a spin yesterday, heading down the hill into Kiltiernan from Enniskerry when a taxi driver passes at speed without moving out at all. Caught up with him at the Golden Ball where he was waiting in a queue at a red light, so I did a track stand in front of him while wriggling my lycra arse around a lot. Punishment or reward?

Kaisr Sose · 05-10-2017 8:02pm

^^Both!!
Punishment for being impatient, a reward for being a dcik.

magicbastarder · 05-10-2017 9:57pm

buffalo wrote: »

did a track stand in front of him while wriggling my lycra arse around a lot. Punishment or reward?

Pics or GTFO.

05-10-2017 11:28pm

Out walking with the wee one today with her on her little bike ... now off the stabilisers!!!!!

Had a woman on a bike pass with in cm's of me from behind frightening the sh1te out of me and startling the wee one who fell off, I mean she knows to keep left as I always correct her but still could have veered right at any second given she just shy of 4 years old :mad:

Best way I can post of what I shouted at her was "Get a bell"

I get why she was on the footpath at this particular point as it's busy and no cycle lanes in these parts but the fact she had a rear and helmet light on during daylight hours really f'n galled me like you need those for the foopath. I ride this section on the road regularly and I find it's grand if your not an AH cars will see why you're signalling right ... potholes and drains and not try and squeeze between you and the backed up traffic on the other side. It's slow moving on the way back in with the lights etc you can easily scoot the kerb to be first at the lights unless someone is hugging it in which case you then mount the path and pop back down in front of him and give a thumbs up to and continue to scoot

AndrewJRenko · 05-10-2017 11:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Out walking with the wee one today with her on her little bike ... now off the stabilisers!!!!!

Had a woman on a bike pass with in cm's of me from behind frightening the sh1te out of me and startling the wee one who fell off, I mean she knows to keep left as I always correct her but still could have veered right at any second given she just shy of 4 years old :mad:

Best way I can post of what I shouted at her was "Get a bell"

I get why she was on the footpath at this particular point as it's busy and no cycle lanes in these parts but the fact she had a rear and helmet light on during daylight hours really f'n galled me like you need those for the foopath. I ride this section on the road regularly and I find it's grand if your not an AH cars will see why you're signalling right ... potholes and drains and not try and squeeze between you and the backed up traffic on the other side. It's slow moving on the way back in with the lights etc you can easily scoot the kerb to be first at the lights unless someone is hugging it in which case you then mount the path and pop back down in front of him and give a thumbs up to and continue to scoot

With kids, I always found it better to cycle just behind them, out to the right a bit, to prevent usually cars, but possibly other cyclists from getting too close.

I love Sean nos · 06-10-2017 8:29am

Deleted User wrote: »

Had a woman on a bike pass with in cm's of me from behind frightening the sh1te out of me and startling the wee one who fell off

Can you imagine the antics if this clown was in a car?

Pinch Flat · 06-10-2017 9:22am

I love Sean nos wrote: »

Can you imagine the antics if this clown was in a car?

Usually, being a d!ck on the road is transferable between car and bike and vice versa.

shootermacg · 06-10-2017 1:32pm

Quite a lot of cyclists on my commute, engage in close passing so they can jump a red. A lot of them, not even slowing down at crossings on a rad.

Doesn't seem to be any recognizable demographic. I would say the ratio of bad drivers to bad cyclists is pretty even.

I have to remind myself that although these people annoy the life out of me, they are rarely dangerous to anyone but themselves.

I'd love to see more of a police presence on the roads during rush hour, but I suppose it's much easier to just cook the books while drinking tea at the station.

Kaisr Sose · 06-10-2017 1:46pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Quite a lot of cyclists on my commute, engage in close passing so they can jump a red. A lot of them, not even slowing down at crossings on a rad.

Doesn't seem to be any recognizable demographic. I would say the ratio of bad drivers to bad cyclists is pretty even.

I have to remind myself that although these people annoy the life out of me, they are rarely dangerous to anyone but themselves.

I'd love to see more of a police presence on the roads during rush hour, but I suppose it's much easier to just cook the books while drinking tea at the station.

This is something that always comes up. Of course there are cyclists that are not great on obeying the rules of the road, as there are motorists.

However, I would love to know the statistic on the number of cyclists running a red and hitting a vehicle!

A cyclist going on the inside of a stationary or moving vehicle is permitted. It might annoy motorists but there is nothing wrong or illegal in doing so.

RayCun · 06-10-2017 2:06pm

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

However, I would love to know the statistic on the number of cyclists running a red and hitting a vehicle!

The statistics on cars running reds and hitting other vehicles is probably pretty low. That doesn't mean it's okay.

Too many people make their decisions based on "what can I get away with".

Going through a red light mightn't cause a crash, but it can cause other people to have to change their behaviour to avoid that crash - braking, staying on the path, not moving away from lights - when they shouldn't have to.

ED E · 06-10-2017 2:39pm

RayCun wrote: »

The statistics on cars running reds and hitting other vehicles is probably pretty low.

Tell that to the luas!

Chiparus · 06-10-2017 7:27pm

RayCun wrote: »

The statistics on cars running reds and hitting other vehicles is probably pretty low. That doesn't mean it's okay.

Too many people make their decisions based on "what can I get away with".

Going through a red light mightn't cause a crash, but it can cause other people to have to change their behaviour to avoid that crash - braking, staying on the path, not moving away from lights - when they shouldn't have to.

http://www.theaa.ie/blog/a-minority-of-motorist-need-more-discipline-when-it-comes-to-traffic-lights-says-aa/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/new-cameras-to-catch-motorists-breaking-red-lights-at-luas-lines-1.1769228

Weepsie · 06-10-2017 7:51pm

shootermacg wrote: »

Quite a lot of cyclists on my commute, engage in close passing so they can jump a red. A lot of them, not even slowing down at crossings on a rad.

Doesn't seem to be any recognizable demographic. I would say the ratio of bad drivers to bad cyclists is pretty even.

I have to remind myself that although these people annoy the life out of me, they are rarely dangerous to anyone but themselves.

I'd love to see more of a police presence on the roads during rush hour, but I suppose it's much easier to just cook the books while drinking tea at the station.

More police on the street is probably a waste of resources.

Proper camera at junctions, and on bus lanes that can easily identify traffic offenses send them off to a civilian admin who can send them off to the offender.

That and employment of something like the idaho stop legally would be a big step in the right direction.

That said, I did have a car start beeping at me in the bus lane in Drumcondra the other day. He was getting close. Car pulls out of the traffic lane and it was an unmarked police car that gladly pulled them over.

shootermacg · 06-10-2017 10:21pm

Weepsie wrote: »

More police on the street is probably a waste of resources.

Proper camera at junctions, and on bus lanes that can easily identify traffic offenses send them off to a civilian admin who can send them off to the offender.

That and employment of something like the idaho stop legally would be a big step in the right direction.

That said, I did have a car start beeping at me in the bus lane in Drumcondra the other day. He was getting close. Car pulls out of the traffic lane and it was an unmarked police car that gladly pulled them over.

I agree, there's only one real way to enforce better behaviour and that is to make people pay out of their own pocket, but the logistics and lack of forward planning are where the issues arise. It's tough to dig up the footpaths in order to power these cameras and the cheapness of this government means we will always have to rely on the mobile van option.

Dia1988 · 06-10-2017 10:40pm

On Monday at about 3.30pm I was cycling on Sandwich street upper.
I was stopped at lights on the cycle lane at the crossroads leading to Sandwiach street upper where the DART bridge over pass is, a white 2015 Skoda Octavia Taxi pulled up beside me. Nothing wrong there, I did notice that the Taxi was laden down with possibly Americans and luggage, and also visibility to the taxi driver could be hindered.

Lights go green and I cycle off keeping check of cars around me, approaching the DART bridge over pass the above mentioned Taxi driver comes along side me rather closely as we both go over the speed bump. I take off over the speed bump quicker however as the road curves outwards with parked cars where KBC HQ is the Taxi almost clip me so much so that I have to brake and as a warning I knock on the passenger rear door of the Taxi.
Taxi takes a left at KBC HQ as do I and as I pass the taxi and give him a look he beeps aggressively at me and revs and drives his taxi towards the side of me. I back back to speak through the passenger window, where he is already shouting abuse at me like "Why the fook did ya hit me car ya fooker" , keeping in mind that there is an American tourist in the passenger seat and also in the rear!!
I speak without expletives how he almost squashed me between two cars back there and that's why I knocked on your car door. He continues on his rampage "How he'll get out of his car and give me that that, as he points his clenched fist at me. Remember, there are newly arrived American tourists (they had hotel info in their hand) in his taxi, so God knows how they're feeling about taking this taxi journey I reply "Have you not heard about the ad campaign about giving room to cyclists" Again I explain how you should give cyclists room and not squash them up against cars, especially as a taxi driver you should have a bit of cop on! This got nowhere, as he just continued shaking his fist at me saying that he'll get out of his car and give me room alright, and drives off.
A bit puzzled about the situation, I was going to get his taxi number and licence and make a complaint not entirely on his awful road presence but on his temper over an incident where he was clearly in the wrong, especially to newly arrived American tourists in his taxi paying good money for the fare!!

And before anyone says how I should not have knocked on his car door, I don't agree, as otherwise I would have been squashed up against his car and another car. Most decent motorists would have acknowledged their wrong and gestured an apology. This guy was in his 50's too so you'd think he'd have a bit of sense.

So just a warning fellow cyclists that beware of a 50 plus Taxi driver in a white 2015 Skoda Octavia in Dublin city centre.
I'd love to know what the Americans thought, hope they didn't tip!

AndrewJRenko · 06-10-2017 10:54pm

Dia1988 wrote: »

And before anyone says how I should not have knocked on his car door, I don't agree, as otherwise I would have been squashed up against his car and another car.

If you can reach his car door, you are way too close.

Dia1988 · 06-10-2017 10:59pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Dia1988 wrote: »

And before anyone says how I should not have knocked on his car door, I don't agree, as otherwise I would have been squashed up against his car and another car.

If you can reach his car door, you are way too close.

Rather the taxi driver is too close to me, he was passing me out! I was following the line of the road and did not pull out.

06-10-2017 11:04pm

I'd have likely told him to get out of his cab and try it, where if he did I'd cycle off and hope I'd given his passengers the time to flee

Kaisr Sose · 06-10-2017 11:31pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you can reach his car door, you are way too close.

Yeah...what a post! Victim blaming?

AndrewJRenko · 06-10-2017 11:50pm

Dia1988 wrote: »

Rather the taxi driver is too close to me, he was passing me out! I was following the line of the road and did not pull out.

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Yeah...what a post! Victim blaming?

My wording was a little clumsy. If you can reach the car door, you ARE way too close because the taxi has come too close to you. I was trying to reassure you that it was not your fault. Maybe it's because I've used that exact line a few times into the angry faces of taxi drivers and other drivers; "If I can reach your car, you're way too close".

Kaisr Sose · 06-10-2017 11:57pm

^^understood, and know how you feel /been there too!

ED E · 07-10-2017 2:49am

Dont need to watch out for the Skoda, just watch out for all Dublin Taxis. Odds of each one being a psycho is strikingly high.

Pinch Flat · 07-10-2017 8:11am

ED E wrote: »

Dont need to watch out for the Skoda, just watch out for all Dublin Taxis. Odds of each one being a psycho is strikingly high.

Yeah quite a few of them are nut jobs. Had some fat fook with one of those stupid looking blue tooth ear pieces in a taxi tailgate me after island bridge for about 200 meters to heuston in the bus lane - I was indicating right to get across to park gate street. I’m talking literally inches behind me, beeping his horn and hurling abuse. Absolute scummer. Taxis are by far the worst a cyclist will ever encounter on the roads in dublin.

mrcheez · 07-10-2017 8:16am

I had to take several taxis last month for work and noticed that when I was in the car they gave all cyclists a wide margin when overtaking.

Either it's because they were mytaxi and were looking for good ratings or perhaps they behave better when occupied.

Kaisr Sose · 07-10-2017 10:32am

mrcheez wrote: »

I had to take several taxis last month for work and noticed that when I was in the car they gave all cyclists a wide margin when overtaking.

Either it's because they were mytaxi and were looking for good ratings or perhaps they behave better when occupied.

That could be the case. With no passengers, there is no income so they will do what they can to get the next fare quickly. Though if you read the post on the taxi with American tourists, it's not always the case.

The issue is loads have no regard for the rights of other road users and regard waiting in traffic as wasted time, when in fact, it's part of the job. One taxi driver actually said to me the rules of the road did not apply to taxis. Said they could do whatever they wanted.

I have noticed the behaviour of the foreign drivers getting worse too. Lots of these are driving with no knowledge of the Irish rules of the road. Passing an Irish driving test should be mandatory for any PSV licence application.

Weepsie · 07-10-2017 11:16am

There is probably a higher percentage of Irish drivers who don't know the rules of the road than foreign. Thing is you're used to it and it passes by

ozzy jr · 07-10-2017 5:49pm

This happened to me today on the back roads around the airport,

https://youtu.be/9G6h4h6f4ig

shootermacg · 07-10-2017 6:52pm

That prick shouldn't be allowed on the road!

micar · 07-10-2017 7:48pm

Have had a few near misses in the last two weeks. In all cases, cars taking a left turn off while I was heading straight.

Twice had my right out but passed me and cut across me to an immediate red light.

Spoke to one van driver....got "road tax" line. Explained I had a car. Went on to say that he simply didn't care about me.

Went to speak to another driver, tapped on the window. Glanced at me and immediately turned to look straight ahead. Refused to engage with me.

John_Rambo · 07-10-2017 8:12pm

ozzy jr wrote: »

This happened to me today on the back roads around the airport,

https://youtu.be/9G6h4h6f4ig

Bloody hell. Clear road ahead, there had to be malice involved there.

Kaisr Sose · 07-10-2017 11:03pm

ozzy jr wrote: »

This happened to me today on the back roads around the airport,

https://youtu.be/9G6h4h6f4ig

Shocking. Are you going to report?

Johnnio13 · 08-10-2017 11:38am

ozzy jr wrote:

This happened to me today on the back roads around the airport,

Crazy drivers out behind airport. Had a bunch of close calls.

Johnnio13 · 08-10-2017 11:40am

This morning between oranmore and clarinbridge I was in hard shoulder lbeit close to yellow line doing 33kph and Paddy wagon coach passes me close enough to touch it. He was skirting the line and then pulls out again as traffic core car coming the other way. My finger pointing and swearing was ignored.

LpPepper · 09-10-2017 8:25am

I had a close one with a poor child last week in Clondalkin. Was heading up towards Newlands cross on the road that has the Opel dealership on it at about the time the local schools were finishing for the day.

The cars heading the opposite way were bumper to bumper into the village and I was in the middle of my lane going around a parked Van. I spotted a woman in between the stopped cars with a schoolbag on her back but she stopped and looked at me so kept at the pace I was going (only 20-25km/h up a slight hill).

Next of all her child darts out from in between the cars at full speed for the other side of the road. I managed to swerve so my bars would avoid his head and he stopped dead in his tracks. Cue the mother shouting at me telling me to watch where I'm going! (???)

I told her if she's gonna walk in between traffic on a busy road she needs to hold her child's hand (no older than 6-7)

Funny thing is if the child had ran into me and hurt himself I would have felt terrible, even though it was the mother's responsibility to not let him run in between and play chicken with traffic!

I love Sean nos · 09-10-2017 8:37am

ozzy jr wrote: »

This happened to me today on the back roads around the airport,

https://youtu.be/9G6h4h6f4ig

Definitely one for the Gardai. He had no chance of stopping or avoiding you if anything had caused you to change vector.

Chiparus · 09-10-2017 8:38am

LpPepper wrote: »

I had a close one with a poor child last week in Clondalkin. Was heading up towards Newlands cross on the road that has the Opel dealership on it at about the time the local schools were finishing for the day.

The cars heading the opposite way were bumper to bumper into the village and I was in the middle of my lane going around a parked Van. I spotted a woman in between the stopped cars with a schoolbag on her back but she stopped and looked at me so kept at the pace I was going (only 20-25km/h up a slight hill).

Next of all her child darts out from in between the cars at full speed for the other side of the road. I managed to swerve so my bars would avoid his head and he stopped dead in his tracks. Cue the mother shouting at me telling me to watch where I'm going! (???)

I told her if she's gonna walk in between traffic on a busy road she needs to hold her child's hand (no older than 6-7)

Funny thing is if the child had ran into me and hurt himself I would have felt terrible, even though it was the mother's responsibility to not let him run in between and play chicken with traffic!

I would not be so sure about that, the recent case in London , the pedestrian walked out into the road, but the cyclist was jailed.

dermabrasion · 09-10-2017 9:24am

he was jailed because he was on a bike with no brakes which is against the law. The court reckoned he could have stopped if he had brakes.

papu · 09-10-2017 9:24am

Chiparus wrote: »

I would not be so sure about that, the recent case in London , the pedestrian walked out into the road, but the cyclist was jailed.

Very different circumstances,that being said. You may not be guilty, but you'd get absolutely destroyed in the media

Lambay island · 09-10-2017 9:43am

Cue the mother shouting at me telling me to watch where I'm going! (???)

Ah the usual deflected blame approach to hide her own guilt. Terrible attitude from the mother in question to put her child at risk then deflect

09-10-2017 9:46am

She should have been thanking her lucking stars it was a bike in this case and not a car.

plodder · 09-10-2017 10:19am

Was doing 48km/h down a nice hill out of Bellewstown yesterday, a narrow road, barely enough space for two cars to pass, but a decent surface, and normally no traffic. This car is coming towards me, no problem as he sees me coming. Then, a sheep dog comes out of a farm and starts chasing the car, along side. I was sure we were going to collide, but he jumped up on the ditch just in time. Scared the living daylights out of me, and to add insult to injury, Muttley turns around and starts chasing me. I never roared at a dog as much.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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