Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

launish116 · 22-10-2021 7:00pm

Same back row how many weeks in a row? Unheard of at Ulster

Paul Smeenus · 23-10-2021 10:49am

https://www.the42.ie/ulster-rugby-5-5581757-Oct2021/

Genuinely excellent article about the 80s Ulster team.

jacothelad · 23-10-2021 12:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118061644#Comment_118061644

I was going to post the link. This was the last few years of my era. I played with and against many of the guys and others like Ian McIlwrath, Roger Clegg, Stuart McKinney. It was a very emotional read and took me back instantly to that time. Fantastic team and super guys. Keith Crossan also worked in the Bank of Ireland on University Road which was my branch up to ...well...recently. He was a great and friendly guy. It is hard to believe that it was almost 40 years in the past.

Guys, don't waste time. There isn't enough of it.

shinana abu · 23-10-2021 12:36pm

Mckinney,some flanker, fondly remember his address to an Irish team before playing at Twickenham

stephen_n · 23-10-2021 2:44pm

I remember watching that Ulster team in Donnybrook against Leinster. With a air of resignation I’m sure a lot of supporters now feel when their team plays Leinster. It was amazing they produced so many top players in one decade.

awec · 23-10-2021 5:29pm

What’s this “inside the 10” law?

awec · 23-10-2021 6:06pm

Thornley can shove his hard done by Connacht trope up his bangle.

Brace is riding us raw here.

Locke_Lamora · 23-10-2021 6:10pm

Porch's tackle on hume and doak being taken out were two huge decisions that Brace decided not to bother officiating for.

Akrasia · 23-10-2021 6:16pm

How the hell did the TMO not see that and award a penalty try and a YC. That was so blatant

lawrencesummers · 23-10-2021 6:27pm

vermullen isnt going to fix all of these problems.

Clegg · 23-10-2021 6:35pm

McCloskey butchered that overlap.

awec · 23-10-2021 6:36pm

Pass the damn ball.

lawrencesummers · 23-10-2021 6:37pm

Burns gives a bad pass to mccloskey off hendersons turnover, and then starts to stroll forward, he should have been sprinting his balls off and ready to him the ruck or looking for an offload.

Sums him up perfectly for me.

lawrencesummers · 23-10-2021 6:41pm

That no arms tackle from burns has not only injured himself but the player he tackled. Should have been a YC and penalty.

munsterlegend · 23-10-2021 6:43pm

Connacht a good team lately. Could have beaten Munster last week. Expected them to win this match.

awec · 23-10-2021 6:47pm

Well and truly humped by the far better team.

Disgraceful Ulster performance.

Clegg · 23-10-2021 6:48pm

Great try from Conn, but it's also poor Ulster defence. They didn't want to commit to a tackle and allowed Conn far too much space to run into. Then a poor enough missed tackle from McIlroy(?) on Porch.

munsterlegend · 23-10-2021 6:49pm

Ulster a shambles. So easy to read.

Clegg · 23-10-2021 6:49pm

Burns is a disaster this evening.

awec · 23-10-2021 6:50pm

Billy Burns playing like a drain

TomsOnTheRoof · 23-10-2021 6:51pm

Surely Farrell has to be rethinking Carty's omission.

lawrencesummers · 23-10-2021 6:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118063533#Comment_118063533

Hes never been a great OH.

He just looks worse here because Ulster are getting man handled and outplayed all over the pitch by a more physical better coached and much more motivated team here.

thomond2006 · 23-10-2021 6:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118063538#Comment_118063538

No, this is what Carty does. He'll be great one week and terrible the next.

lawrencesummers · 23-10-2021 6:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118063542#Comment_118063542

This is two weeks in a row he has been great, and in fairness he has had an excellent start to the season.

He is the form 10 so far no question.

thomond2006 · 23-10-2021 6:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118063551#Comment_118063551

He might be the form 10 but we've been here before. It's difficult to buy into the Carty experience.

lawrencesummers · 23-10-2021 6:54pm

Dont forget this in a Connacht team without Aki who makes them a much much better side.

TomsOnTheRoof · 23-10-2021 6:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118063542#Comment_118063542

I think he deserves the opportunity to be honest. He's shown more than most of our fly halves so far this season.

lawrencesummers · 23-10-2021 6:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118063556#Comment_118063556

he has done enough to earn a second chance IMo

Clegg · 23-10-2021 6:58pm

Not been a good performance especially up front. Far too many collisions lost.

Locke_Lamora · 23-10-2021 7:05pm

Connacht aren't a great side tbh, which speaks volumes about where we're at right now. We've been pathetic upfront and when we're chasing a game we bring on warwick, shanahan, and greg jones, I lost all hope there and then. Hendy went very well which is the only positive. Vermulen and Marty Moore coming into the pack changes things a little, but I'm still very worried.

The backs can't defend a team going wide and imo it starts with McCloskey - he bites in every time and i slow at recovering which affects everyone else. Hume isn't the quickest so he can't cover and get across in time. In attack everything seems to rely on McCloskey making metres, and I understand why he's gets so much of the ball given the state of our pack, but it's easy for defences to figure out. Stockdale coming back might give us another edge.

Beaten out of the gates tonight, some ugly ref decisions in the first half but connacht put us away in the second and we never fired a shot. Tough one to take.

launish116 · 23-10-2021 7:07pm

Pretty deflating! Packs been ate up and spat out!

munsterlegend · 23-10-2021 7:08pm

Connacht well coached and playing to a game plan.

awec · 23-10-2021 7:11pm

Pathetic is all you can say.

awec · 23-10-2021 7:14pm

And that last try summed us up. Thick as champ. Game was over, kick it out.

Instead of trying to run the whole bloody field and then conceding another.

lawrencesummers · 23-10-2021 7:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118063596#Comment_118063596

That pretty much sums it up for me, but im very critical of Burns, an aspiring international 10 should be standing out in a Game like that but he did the opposite.

Ulster are unlucky they dont have a game next weekend, because they need to bounce back from that performance quickly.

bilston · 23-10-2021 9:41pm

Big few months coming up for Dan.

launish116 · 23-10-2021 9:59pm

That was a game for Carter and Kearny! To add some ballast!

Is it time to give Treadwell some Blindside game time?

awec · 23-10-2021 11:38pm

He looks delighted. 😒

ShineyShiney · 23-10-2021 11:57pm

Cartys a good player consistently, he's not a top end goal kicker but otherwise he's really sound defensively and very creative. I hear that he also lost to Japan singlehandedly but when I watch that game back he also played fairly well in that. Think he's well worth a shot again in the same way carbury deserves the time to find his way again. No idea what Harry Byrne has done to be considered, all flash no basics for me.

Liked what I saw from doak tonight, all the basics, I'd have him in my team ahead of Casey all day long. Henderson looked good, Ulster back row well outplayed. Not sure I see potential in o Sullivan ?? Am I missing something? Bealham playing so well this season a seriously underrated player in Ireland because porter and furlong are so good.

Ton Daly is a good player. Hume had a poor night. Porch and Hansen are tidy. Balcoune is a player needs some ball.

Nice to get a win

jacothelad · 24-10-2021 8:22am

Ulster Says "Yes. Surrender."😁

Wouldn't it have been nice to have a plan 'A'?

UAEguy2020 · 24-10-2021 8:48am

Would love to see Doak in the Irish squad for the 6N if he can get some big games on the other side of the international break. He does look like a very special player and players like this should be fast tracked (Him, Osborne, Ahern etc).

24-10-2021 1:25pm

Sorry folks, couldn't help myself.

Dubinusa · 24-10-2021 1:39pm

Worst display from Ulster in a long time! Ross Kane is hopeless! Ulster are fcuked after Moore and TOT.

Hume was poor too and Burns was....well! Nothing positive from an Ulster perspective. They could have used Kearney to add some grit. Treadwell doesn't have the physicality.

launish116 · 24-10-2021 2:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118066017#Comment_118066017

Thought Treadwell had come back with some hunger!

Reality check in that we just/still don’t have pack/power required for strong teams! Worrying things we’re yet to play the top end packs in the league and Euro could well be a step up again.

Backrow went awol, highlighted again by there all 6.5s, no go forward and no turnovers!

awec · 24-10-2021 4:20pm

I was very surprised when Ross Kane got a contract, he'll never be good enough unfortunately.

Vermuelen is desperately needed but I worry that teams will just be able to double up on him and not have to worry about any other carrying threats in our pack. Henderson is the only other reliable carrier but he's not exactly a bulldozer and it's difficult to do that job when playing in the engine room.

CMcsporty · 24-10-2021 5:04pm

McCann, Timoney, Vermeulen will be decent all the same

In fairness mindset more than anything is the biggest concern in the Ulster pack.

jacothelad · 24-10-2021 6:44pm

It was a dreadful wake up call to those responsible for the recruitment or retention of some pretty average players. There doesn't appear to be any channelled aggression available, just running through set drills over and over. Burns was very poor but at least he tried to make things happen......and got butt hoked for his trouble, There was no cohesion at all.

awec · 24-10-2021 11:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118067962#Comment_118067962

It proves that it doesn't how much training happens, or how much game time they get, average players will always be average players. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

bilston · 25-10-2021 10:06am

Connacht had fire in their bellies...Ulster did not. Once Plan A of give the ball to McCloskey and run over the top of them didn't work there was no Plan B.

When a few things went against them they lost the plot.

You worry about their mental resilience against ANY Irish province at this stage...not just Leinster. We really can't complain when this Ulster player or that Ulster player doesn't get picked by Ireland when we consistently lose Inter Pro after Inter Pro. I think all the other provinces see Ulster as a soft touch.

arsebiscuits1 · 26-10-2021 1:57pm

Was at ends on Saturday so hopped along to the game. It was good to watch as a neutral. Connacht were just happy to let Ulster come at them knowing they were a bit blunt and ponderous.

Conor Oliver was super in that game.

I don't think Ulster should be too concerned yet but they definitely need to shore up the inability to win collisions in the tight. Connacht hammered up off 9 and smothered them and gave Doak and Burns feck all to work with.

Doak will get a lot out of the game. It was good to see him in the flesh. I'm a huge fan and love the way he plays. His passing is so consistent off both hands and off the ground which is heartening to see.

But the caveat to his game which a people aren't talking about yet is the speed of his pass. It needs work. Passing speed is what's kept Marmion, Cooney and McGrath from achieving higher honours internationally.

But Doak visually has that physical development still to do (understandable at 19) and I've no doubt he's a superstar in the making

Ulster Team Talk Thread IV... Go On My Henderson...

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