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Paying for sex

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  • #52
    Liamalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭Liamalone


    Get her bucked!!


  • #53
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    I used to work in an adult store and several times a week we’d have prostitutes come in to stock up on lingerie, toys etc. Most of the time they’d be flanked by big lads who’d creep out and try intimidate the girls working there. We had one gas night when the lads illegally parked outside so we grabbed a couple of Gardaí doing patrols outside and told them they were inside, the lads thought they were getting done in a sting operation and there was instant bedlam. The lads would pick out everything and basically order the girls around, you’d be under no delusion who was in charge and whether or not the girls were doing this because it was their independent career choice. Other girls who’d shop alone would tell the girls their stories (you’d hear some sensational stuff, like a TS girl who was dating a Garda who had previously been a client behind his wife and family’s back) and, again, it would always follow the worst case scenario line of often foreign or drug-adled women who felt they didn’t have a better alternative. Prostitutes wouldn’t have been my thing before that anyway but I couldn’t do it in good faith no matter what knowing what the reality of the world is like now.

    These exceptions lads here seem to convince themselves totally exist...well, I haven’t come across them and I was in a better position than most to do so. But I doubt they’re going to (or allowed to) share their true story with a desperate john looking for the ride. Telling them they’re a prostitute just because Irish lads are sooooo good at teh sex is probably part of the act in order to get regular work and more money.

    Having said that, it’s one of those things that the law isn’t stopping, so I’d also support legalising it just for the simple fact that putting it out in the open and regulating it has to offer them better protection etc than having to go underground and dealing with gangs.


  • #54
    FanadMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,820 ✭✭✭FanadMan


    I've never had to pay for sex here but I think it should be legalised. After reading the AMA https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057719737 by an independent escort, not all prostitutes/escorts are trafficked or illegal aliens. Some do it because the can switch off during sex and find it an easy way to supplement their income.

    It would need to be very strictly regulated for it to work properly because, no doubt the gangland scum would try and get in on it.....by setting up their own brothels or "offering" security to legitimate ones.

    There will always be people that are willing to pay for sex. Whether it's someone in a loveless/sexless marriage, horny young fellas, businessmen working away or whatever. And if there is a legal, taxed and properly regulated (no gang involvement, regular health screening etc) there is no reason why it shouldn't be allowed.......as long as the crowds of old women won't be outside praying and protesting :D


  • #55
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    Peter Flynt wrote: »
    You should have kept your mouth shut and just shagged the other married woman.
    This would risk him having to leave his own home and having limited access to his kid, while continuing to pay his wife's way.

    I understand that if one partner never wants sex then after a year they are legally considered to have abandoned their partner. I'm not a lawyer though. Doubt it has much effect on the outcome of a separation or divorce anyway.

    Even without the extreme of separation or divorce, it would be very likely to destabilise things. Which is bot ideal because he's basically stuck with his wife if he wants to stay living in his own home and with his kid.

    And he might just not be comfortable doing it behind his wife's back.


  • #56
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Airyfairy12 wrote: »
    Legal brothels in Amsterdam have over 1000 trafficked women,

    Hmmm.

    From where have you sourced that figure?

    Hendrik Wagenaar, associate professor at the Department of Public Administration at Leiden University has undertaken extensive research on prostitution in the Netherlands and wider EU.

    He'd appear to be at odds with yourself:

    Prostitution policy is also plagued by bad numbers. There are lots of bad numbers based on wild estimates. They say there are millions of victims of trafficking in Europe, but no one has ever counted them.

    The whole prostitution debate is driven by emotional numbers, as I tend to call them. We counted the number of illegal prostitutes in Rotterdam, and numbers really were not that high. Each one is one too many, do not get me wrong, but the numbers are not that dramatic. We have about 400 cases of trafficking per year in The Netherlands. A lot of people say that this is just the tip of the iceberg, but no one has ever shown the iceberg, or proven that it exists.

    I have heard things like ‘more money is made in trafficking worldwide, than in the drug trade and arms trade combined.’ That is complete baloney. Really. You don’t make that much money in trafficking. But it is that kind of stupidity that drives the discourse.


  • #57
    Das Reich
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    italodisco wrote: »
    Would have been against it until got married and my wife went from absolute sex devil to non interested selfish cow.

    If an escort is legitimately independent etc I see no wrong.

    I do everything for my wife and kid, everything. I get nothing in return. I don't cheat, I've had a zillion opportunities and said no. I've asked my wife recently to allow me find another married woman who is deprived and let me fulfil that sexual aspect , she said no.

    If she liked sex with you years ago and not now it might be because two causes, or she is having low hormones as women after 35 starts to be less fertile, in this case you should do something and help. The other case could be that she is not interested in sex with you, but she is still interested in sex. In this case you should investigate and go away if you discover the horns.


  • #58
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Once its consensual and done freely i have no issue with it.

    Its seen as wrong because if its not done freely its abusive and misogynist and women rightly oppose it.

    If it IS done freely then honestly it gives women a lot of power that a lot men don't like.


  • #59
    moonage
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    Bx-HlnhIcAAiUi4.jpg


  • #60
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    moonage wrote: »
    Bx-HlnhIcAAiUi4.jpg


    Noice.

    For when hubby ain't bringing home the paycheck. ;)


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No little girl anywhere has ever dreamed of becoming a prostitute when they grow up.
    If any man thinks that any woman has entered into prostitution because they actually want to do it, they are kidding themselves.
    Yes many women do it, but don't fool yourselves into believing they actually want to do it.


  • #62
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    bubblypop wrote: »
    No little girl anywhere has ever dreamed of becoming a prostitute when they grow up.


    I did have some courtesan and geisha fantasies as a lil girl....:pac: I had a WILD imagination!


  • #63
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    This is the one area I'm in agreement with the feminist movement.

    No person choses a path like that willingly, reducing everything to consumer choice is bad for the soul of society


  • #64
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Urgh. Anytime anyone mentions paying for sex it's always followed with "oh but sex trafficking!" - look, that's a horrible thing. it shouldn't happen. It should be stamped out. But in the western world there are far more brassers who willingly choose to do so or cause they're junkies than because they are forced into it.

    With the popularity of the internet the last 20 years many women have chosen to do so. Let's not beat around the bush. Many have deep emotional messed up issues or just straight up tarts. Realising they can make decent money by opening their legs.


  • #65
    Alfonso Sticky Windbreak
    Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Alfonso Sticky Windbreak


    It doesn't matter if they're trafficed or messed up because tarts

    Got it


  • #66
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    bluewolf wrote: »
    It doesn't matter if they're trafficed or messed up because tarts

    Got it

    What? :confused:


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  • #67
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    This is the one area I'm in agreement with the feminist movement.

    No person choses a path like that willingly, reducing everything to consumer choice is bad for the soul of society


    There is no one opinion on it in the feminist movement. And a lot of prostitutes who feel they do it freely would call themselves feminists.

    Some helped in the Repeal movement. I am thinking Kate McGrew.

    Not all women feel comfortable with the idea. I am sure they all have very good reasons on both sides.


  • #68
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    the ban on the purchase for sex is like the war on drugs - dosnt work and will never work.


  • #69
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Urgh. Anytime anyone mentions paying for sex it's always followed with "oh but sex trafficking!" - look, that's a horrible thing. it shouldn't happen. It should be stamped out. But in the western world there are far more brassers who willingly choose to do so or cause they're junkies than because they are forced into it.

    With the popularity of the internet the last 20 years many women have chosen to do so. Let's not beat around the bush. Many have deep emotional messed up issues or just straight up tarts. Realising they can make decent money by opening their legs.

    Where are you getting any of this info from or is this just what you tell yourself?


  • #70
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    the ban on the purchase for sex is like the war on drugs - dosnt work and will never work.
    This.


  • #71
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    If this is what you are into AND you want to reduce trafficking, choose local.
    In Ireland ? choose Irish women etc


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  • #72
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    gctest50 wrote: »
    If this is what you are into AND you want to reduce trafficking, choose local.
    In Ireland ? choose Irish women etc

    They aren’t eggs lad.


  • #73
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    gctest50 wrote: »
    If this is what you are into AND you want to reduce trafficking, choose local.
    In Ireland ? choose Irish women etc


    Ok i am a bad person..i laughed.


  • #74
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    leggo wrote: »
    They aren’t eggs lad.

    If all those who go to prostitutes here only chose Irish women trafficking would disappear

    So tell yer ma she has to do her bit to reduce trafficking & go on the game


  • #75
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,517 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    gctest50 wrote: »
    If this is what you are into AND you want to reduce trafficking, choose local.
    In Ireland ? choose Irish women etc

    Guaranteed Irish Campaign takes bizarre turn.


  • #76
    B.A._Baracus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,206 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    leggo wrote: »
    Where are you getting any of this info from or is this just what you tell yourself?

    oh no. one of the most opinionated people on boards.ie has an issue with someone who has a different opinion to his! :eek:


  • #77
    nkl12xtw5goz70
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭nkl12xtw5goz70


    Airyfairy12 wrote: »
    I dont attach any spiritual or metaphysical significance to sex but feel that the buying and selling of sex commodifies people.

    The same logic can be (and has been) applied to everything from stripping, to topless modelling, to modelling more generally, to "ring girls" in boxing, to girls and women posting selfies on Instagram. So where does "commodification" begin and end?
    bubblypop wrote: »
    No little girl anywhere has ever dreamed of becoming a prostitute when they grow up.
    If any man thinks that any woman has entered into prostitution because they actually want to do it, they are kidding themselves.
    Yes many women do it, but don't fool yourselves into believing they actually want to do it.

    Few people ever become what they dreamed of doing when they were 5. If so, we'd have many more astronauts and many fewer bin collectors.

    I read an interview with a single mother who described prostitution as the perfect job for her — she could work relatively few hours per week, make a high rate per hour, and stay home with her child during the day. She maintained a small list of trusted clients. For her, this was preferable to working 9-5 in an office, putting her child in a creche, and struggling to make ends meet.

    While I'd accept some women are not doing it voluntarily, it seems strange to declare that there are no women who freely choose to be sex workers.


  • #78
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    oh no. one of the most opinionated people on boards.ie has an issue with someone who has a different opinion to his! :eek:

    And what an opinion you posted , calling vulnerable women brassers or junkies.


  • #79
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    Since when do women have a one hive mind? Believe it or not each woman is unique and has her own mind.

    Do you think people dream of becoming retail workers or janitors?

    There is nothing wrong with working in retail or general maintenance in a school etc


  • #80
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    Urgh. Anytime anyone mentions paying for sex it's always followed with "oh but sex trafficking!" - look, that's a horrible thing. it shouldn't happen. It should be stamped out. But in the western world there are far more brassers who willingly choose to do so or cause they're junkies than because they are forced into it.

    With the popularity of the internet the last 20 years many women have chosen to do so. Let's not beat around the bush. Many have deep emotional messed up issues or just straight up tarts. Realising they can make decent money by opening their legs.

    Why would a "tart" need to do that?, women can get it anytime they want


  • #81
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    Agreed just like there is nothing wrong with becoming a sex worker if that is what one chooses.

    It's extremely bad for the person involved, they can never tell anyone what they do to make ends meet for one thing


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  • #82
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    Agreed just like there is nothing wrong with becoming a sex worker if that is what one chooses.

    Other than the potential risk to your physical and mental health.


  • #83
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Seems to work well in Holland where it's legal and the police keep an eye on things to make sure nobody is being forced to do anything they aren't comfortable with.

    We will probably have to wait a few years here before it is on the table for discussion though because the spineless TDs here will just ignore it even though some politicians, judges and the clergy have all been going to prostitutes for years.

    I presume you are talking about Amsterdam, as opposed to Holland. It isn't working as well as you think and the mayor of the city is looking to revamp that part of the city and close down a number of the brothels. Plenty of articles available on Google to back this up.
    Airyfairy12 wrote: »
    Legal brothels in Amsterdam have over 1000 trafficked women, vulnerable women from poor countries taken to Amsterdam under the promise of jobs in childcare and waitressing or promised careers as dancers and models who are then forced into prostitution. Legalisation and regulation doesn't stop trafficking.

    Totally agree. The RLD is still awash with "minders". Horrible seedy "industry" which has destroyed a large chunk of the centre of that city.
    jaxxx wrote: »
    In the 2 plus years since the purchase of sex in this country was made illegal, there has only been a mere handful of arrests.

    Think you are confusing arrests and convictions. Plenty of arrests but it takes time to get convictions.


  • #84
    nkl12xtw5goz70
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭nkl12xtw5goz70


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Other than the potential risk to your physical and mental health.

    Plenty of jobs, professional sports, etc., carry risks to one's physical or mental health. And yet we don't criminalize underwater welding, professional boxing, or social work.


  • #85
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Berserker wrote: »

    I presume you are talking about Amsterdam, as opposed to Holland. It isn't working as well as you think and the mayor of the city is looking to revamp that part of the city and close down a number of the brothels. ..........


    Netherlands is trying to reduce tourism :


    The Netherlands tourist board have put a plan together which they hope will encourage fewer tourists, not more. Worried about a projected 50% in tourism from 18 million in 2017 to 29 million in 2030 (and this is a conservative estimate), they have decided to put the brakes on incoming guests. In a review completed last year, the Netherlands Board of Tourism & Conventions (NBTC) which is responsible for marketing the country internationally, said,

    We can now say that more is not always better, certainly not everywhere.





    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexledsom/2019/05/11/why-the-netherlands-tourist-board-wants-to-discourage-people-from-visiting


  • #86
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Madalynn Hundreds Traveller wrote: »
    Plenty of jobs, professional sports, etc., carry risks to one's physical or mental health. And yet we don't criminalize underwater welding, professional boxing, or social work.

    Of course we don't, but these careers most likely are very well regulated with appropriate supports , renumermation, benefits , welfare put in place.


  • #87
    Porklife
    Registered Users Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭Porklife


    Airyfairy12 wrote: »
    It's not the same thing at all.
    We all have to make a living but in our jobs we have rights, we have to respect the rights of others we work with and they have to respect our rights.
    This includes things like bullying and sexual harassment.

    Sex workers, particularly trafficked sex workers, don't have the same rights afforded to them. Men bascially pay money to rape them while the sex worker is forced to look like theyre enjoying it.

    I dont know how you can compare a normal job in a shop or office to the work of a sex worker.

    Bit of a twisted comparison tbh.

    Jesus Christ!! Rape them? What the hell is wrong with you?!


  • #88
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Madalynn Hundreds Traveller wrote: »
    Plenty of jobs, professional sports, etc., carry risks to one's physical or mental health. And yet we don't criminalize underwater welding, professional boxing, or social work.


    more like a footballer :


    "Dutch prostitutes seek same tax deal as footballers

    Lawyer says similarities between the two professions are striking"


  • #89
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Other than the potential risk to your physical and mental health.

    Sure theres many soul destroying jobs and many of fulfilling jobs.
    Plenty of lads have killed themselves over office job stress.
    I'm sure plenty of prostitutes find their profession very agreeable with their lifestyle.


  • #90
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/dutch-prostitutes-seek-same-tax-deal-as-footballers-1.1640856


    "Their case has been put to the tax authorities by lawyer Wilhelmina Post, who says the similarities between the two jobs are striking: prostitution, like football, is best-suited to healthy youngsters, “and although the earning potential is high, by 40 you’d certainly aim to be doing something else”."


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  • #91
    nkl12xtw5goz70
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    corner of hells wrote: »
    Of course we don't, but these careers most likely are very well regulated with appropriate supports , renumermation, benefits , welfare put in place.

    Professional boxing? Many journeymen boxers fight for small purses, with no benefits or pensions, and are at high risk of brain injury.

    And if you were one of the people cheering on the Irish rugby team this weekend, bear in mind that the number of serious concussions and neck/spinal injuries caused by rugby is also very high.


  • #92
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    gctest50 wrote: »
    more like a footballer :


    "Dutch prostitutes seek same tax deal as footballers

    Lawyer says similarities between the two professions are striking"

    With the ultimate goal to represent your country ?


  • #93
    Padre_Pio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,350 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    So you'd be ok with prostitution if there was a sex world cup?

    Probably get knocked out with a dismal effort in the quarter final.


  • #94
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    gctest50 wrote: »
    Netherlands is trying to reduce tourism :

    I know. The RLD has attracted far too many tourists who are coming to the city for one reason and one reason only. The city can't cope with the number of tourists. It is a no-go area for locals.


  • #95
    gwalk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭gwalk


    corner of hells wrote: »
    With the ultimate goal to represent your country ?

    the world cup of prostituion

    get sex workers from 32 countries to set up in a complex near a world cup host city and see which nation gets the most business and declare them the winners,

    could even have it in group stages and then a knockout phase too.


  • #96
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    gctest50 wrote: »
    .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/dutch-prostitutes-seek-same-tax-deal-as-footballers-1.1640856


    "Their case has been put to the tax authorities by lawyer Wilhelmina Post, who says the similarities between the two jobs are striking: prostitution, like football, is best-suited to healthy youngsters, “and although the earning potential is high, by 40 you’d certainly aim to be doing something else”."

    Fantastic , you found a five year old article. Any updates?


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  • #97
    Sorry about that
    Closed Accounts Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Sorry about that


    leggo wrote: »
    They aren’t eggs lad.

    Even though both get laid.
    Sorry.


  • #98
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    Most jobs carry risk to mental health and many to physical health.

    Indeed they do , but at a guess I'd imagine the risks to a street worker far out weigh the risks associated to many other jobs.


  • #99
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Spiderverse wrote: »
    So you'd be ok with prostitution if there was a sex world cup?

    Whoosh...


  • #100
    Reviews and Books Galore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    tea and coffee wrote: »
    I really couldn't begin to equate sex with food, water and shelter on a hierarchy of needs....


    I would class it as somewhere below all of them as it is a profound kind of intamacy.


  • #101
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Fantastic , you found a five year old article. Any updates?



    Yesh, the Netherlands oldest sex workers stopped because of declining trade and arthritis :



    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/europe/netherlands/amsterdam/articles/meet-the-fokkens-the-dutch-sex-workers-turned-tour-guides/




    "Louise and her twin sister, Martine, who also accompanies us, have the dubious distinction of being the oldest sex workers in Amsterdam.

    The 74-years-olds have racked up more than a century in the trade between them and are estimated to have pleasured some 355,000 men, which is greater than the population of Iceland."

    .


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