Spring 2020 - General Discussion

Gonzo · 28-05-2020 10:52pm

today's max temperatures, most of Ireland above 20C except for Cork, highest temperatures midlands, mid west and north-west.

Neddyusa · 29-05-2020 12:48am

Slashermcguirk wrote: »

I think I asked this previously but forgot the answer. What is the driest spring on record in Ireland and what location? Phoenix park this year at 52mm has to be close to an all time record. That is 52mm since 1st March and you have to assume there will be little if any rainfall between now and Sunday.

Averaging about 18mm per month, that is pretty exceptional over a 3 month period

I asked the same question in the drought thread but no answers yet. Maybe SRyan might have these stats?
I'd reckon for a good swathe of the country from Wicklow to Roscommon it must be close to if not the driest spring on record.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 29-05-2020 3:59am

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Some people, myself included, are interested in these little details. Keep in mind that this is an Irish weather forum so for most of the regulars on here, 'rounded' just doesn't cut it. And anyway, wouldn't it just be of equal effort for the Met show the decimals as they happen as the rounded values?

I’m sorry to be blunt here (genuinely) but it’ll have to cut it. You don’t have any choice there.

And as for another forum member putting it down to laziness. Unless they are standing next to the meteorologists, that’s not a judgement they can make. If this pandemic had taught me anything, (and as somebody who used to work in a related field to virology) it’s that the country is packed full of people who think they know how to do other people’s jobs. If they are giving rounded figures, I’m going to trust that there is a reason for that. Maybe people here will scoff at that but providing those figures to the general public isn’t of pressing importance. For what reason do you think they’d not be supplying them? I’d imagine providing precise figures to hobbyists is low on the list on priorities because why wouldn’t it be? Saying something “just doesn’t cut it” is honestly foot-stamping stuff.

Slashermcguirk · 29-05-2020 6:25am

Yesterday’s temps starting to load on met.ie. Casement and Shannon only ones up so far. Casement hit 25.6 degrees and Shannon 24.2

Gaoth Laidir · 29-05-2020 7:55am

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’m sorry to be blunt here (genuinely) but it’ll have to cut it. You don’t have any choice there.

And as for another forum member putting it down to laziness. Unless they are standing next to the meteorologists, that’s not a judgement they can make. If this pandemic had taught me anything, (and as somebody who used to work in a related field to virology) it’s that the country is packed full of people who think they know how to do other people’s jobs. If they are giving rounded figures, I’m going to trust that there is a reason for that. Maybe people here will scoff at that but providing those figures to the general public isn’t of pressing importance. For what reason do you think they’d not be supplying them? I’d imagine providing precise figures to hobbyists is low on the list on priorities because why wouldn’t it be? Saying something “just doesn’t cut it” is honestly foot-stamping stuff.

Do you really think the hourly reports are manually typed in by someone so I could stand over them a whip them to put in the decimal? It's all automated and taken from the synop reports, which are themselves reported decimalised. The system therefore does the rounding itself. All it takes is a few clicks by IT to change the setting (it's not the meteorologists' job) and it's done.

Gaoth Laidir · 29-05-2020 9:15am

Here's the Global Solar Radiation for the Phoenix Park for Spring so far, up to and including yesterday. I don't know what the record is but this year really stands out.

sryanbruen · 29-05-2020 10:02am

This spring looks to be a record breaking dry one at Phoenix Park indeed and by a very significant amount from the previous driest, driest springs for the station on record:

1. 2020 - 52.6mm
2. 1929 - 78.1mm
3. 2007 - 79.8mm
4. 1944 - 80.2mm
5. 1990 - 85.3mm
6. 1893 - 86.0mm
7. 1938 - 87.1mm
8. 2011 - 90.2mm
9. 1887 - 92.5mm
10. 1901 - 94.6mm

Data from Met Eireann

Slashermcguirk · 29-05-2020 10:06am

Thanks for that, really interesting. Do we know where the driest spring ever recorded was? I know Dublin tends to be the driest county each year so presumably it’s a Dublin or south east of Ireland station that has the all time record.

As you said, it’s a considerable record at Phoenix park, well ahead of previous records

sryanbruen wrote: »

This spring looks to be a record breaking dry one at Phoenix Park indeed and by a very significant amount from the previous driest, driest springs for the station on record:

1. 2020 - 52.6mm
2. 1929 - 78.1mm
3. 2007 - 79.8mm
4. 1944 - 80.2mm
5. 1990 - 85.3mm
6. 1893 - 86.0mm
7. 1938 - 87.1mm
8. 2011 - 90.2mm
9. 1887 - 92.5mm
10. 1901 - 94.6mm

Data from Met Eireann

Slashermcguirk · 29-05-2020 10:37am

Dunsany and Phoenix park already 20 degrees at 10am

US2 · 29-05-2020 10:45am

sryanbruen wrote: »

This spring looks to be a record breaking dry one at Phoenix Park indeed and by a very significant amount from the previous driest, driest springs for the station on record:

1. 2020 - 52.6mm
2. 1929 - 78.1mm
3. 2007 - 79.8mm
4. 1944 - 80.2mm
5. 1990 - 85.3mm
6. 1893 - 86.0mm
7. 1938 - 87.1mm
8. 2011 - 90.2mm
9. 1887 - 92.5mm
10. 1901 - 94.6mm

Data from Met Eireann

The only 2 of them in my memory turned out to have horrible summers 07 & 11 :-(

Gonzo · 29-05-2020 10:54am

another fantastic morning in Meath, warm with light breezes. Current temperature 20C.

SleetAndSnow · 29-05-2020 11:07am

Hazy sunshine in cork city this morning, no clear blue skies. About 16 degrees.

ninebeanrows · 29-05-2020 11:09am

Fairly strong onshore breeze here at the moment

Must be close to 15 knots, a lot breeze than yesterday's

Slashermcguirk · 29-05-2020 11:48am

for the first time ever, malin head appears to be the warmest place in Ireland right now

22 degrees at Malin Head at 11am

21 degrees at phoenix park and casement

Just out for a walk here in Dublin, stunning day

Gaoth Laidir · 29-05-2020 11:56am

Malin Head has taken top spot on a few other occasions when winds were southerly. Currently 15 knots there.

Donegal Airport is very windy in comparison with the rest of the country, southerly at 27 knots.

METAR EIDL 291030Z 16027KT CAVOK 21/10 Q1022=

Slashermcguirk · 29-05-2020 1:03pm

malin head and mount dillon warmest spots at 12pm. Both 23 degrees with Phoenix Park, Casement and Dunsany at 22. Cork seems to be coldest at 15 degrees

pad199207 · 29-05-2020 1:06pm

22.1°c in Kildare and windy.

SleetAndSnow · 29-05-2020 1:09pm

About 17 degrees in Cork City, slightly above the airport readings. Hazy sunshine but some blue skies starting to break through. Windy enough at times too

John.Icy · 29-05-2020 1:31pm

While it may not be totally accurate regards true angle of the wind, a nice graphic to see how parts of Dublin can fare well with the SE/SSE winds -> https://euweather.eu/ . Quite a sizeable land track for the likes of P.Park. Much less so for those with Dublin bay to their SE including the airport.

Quite breezy here in D9, more so than yesterday. Decent bit of high cloud around currently too so a bit of bite taken out of the sun the last while as it's gone largely hazy. 'Fine' sums it up. EDIT: Thickest of the high cloud seems to have abated and only gentle haze remains. Botanic Gardens site was 19.7 degrees at 1 PM.

Gonzo · 29-05-2020 1:49pm

23C now at Dunshaughlin, a degree or two higher than this time yesterday, stronger breeze and more hazy sunshine compared yesterday.

pad199207 · 29-05-2020 2:06pm

Strong winds now in Kildare with any loose objects gone across the garden.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 29-05-2020 2:15pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Do you really think the hourly reports are manually typed in by someone so I could stand over them a whip them to put in the decimal? It's all automated and taken from the synop reports, which are themselves reported decimalised. The system therefore does the rounding itself. All it takes is a few clicks by IT to change the setting (it's not the meteorologists' job) and it's done.

Exactly. It’s likely automated. And changing it so that a hobbyist can make note of the exact temperature - not very important. It might not be much work but it’s also of little importance.

Anyhoo, weather conditions: hazier today in my part of Dublin but feels warmer.

pauldry · 29-05-2020 2:55pm

24c now at 2pm

Gonzo · 29-05-2020 3:05pm

not much sun left here in Meath, gone very hazy to almost cloudy, still warm at 23C.

Xenji · 29-05-2020 3:24pm

Touching 25C in Castlebar, slightly breezier today at times but still a fabulous day out.

Clonmel1000 · 29-05-2020 4:13pm

Much more hazy bordering on cloudy here this pm. Was a beautiful morning. Last night was a peach of an evening though absolutely glorious. Wind is back today too. Hopefully the weekend stays good would like to see a bit more sun and a bit less wind.

Oneiric 3 · 29-05-2020 4:23pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Exactly. It’s likely automated. And changing it so that a hobbyist can make note of the exact temperature - not very important. It might not be much work but it’s also of little importance.

Anyhoo, weather conditions: hazier today in my part of Dublin but feels warmer.

Why do you think giving out the exact temperature would be of 'little importance' to the general public? If that is the case, then reporting even rounded figures would be of little value to them also. In fact, your comment seems to suggest that the public are too stupid to understand any number to the right of a decimal point.

But consider that currently, global temps are currently running at 0.5c above normal while tomorrow it is expected to go down to 0.4c. So how do we dumb this down these figures for the public? Easy. today, global temps are 1.0c above normal, while tomorrow it will drop down 0.0c, bang on average.

Gaoth Laidir · 29-05-2020 4:35pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Why do you think giving out the exact temperature would be of 'little importance' to the general public? If that is the case, then reporting even rounded figures would be of little value to them also. In fact, your comment seems to suggest that the public are too stupid to understand any number to the right of a decimal point.

But consider that currently, global temps are currently running at 0.5c above normal while tomorrow it is expected to go down to 0.4c. So how do we dumb this down these figures for the public? Easy. today, global temps are 1.0c above normal, while tomorrow it will drop down 0.0c, bang on average.

There's no point [/pun] arguing the point [/pun] as she just doesn't get it (the point of the point...)

Oneiric 3 · 29-05-2020 4:43pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

There's no point [/pun] arguing the point [/pun] as she just doesn't get it (the point of the point...)

Point taken. :pac:

John.Icy · 29-05-2020 5:38pm

Big improvement in D9 since 4pm as the high cloud shifted north. Can't get a reading from Botanic Gardens so the DCU Smart Bench will have to do. 21.2 degrees. Breeze died down too.

SleetAndSnow · 29-05-2020 6:32pm

While it was cooler, more hazy today in Cork City, it was still about 18 degrees. Was able to walk around in shorts and a t-shirt and the breeze was surprisingly warm so it was a lovely day yet again.

Oscar Bravo · 29-05-2020 10:41pm

Todays max

Markree Castle Sligo 25.4
Mount Dillon 24.7
Claremorris 24.6
Finner 24.3
Newport 24.2
Belmullet 24.2

Oneiric 3 · 30-05-2020 9:13am

Temperatures well into the 20s for most days and in most places right up to Tuesday

Today:

Tomorrow, Sunday:

Monday:

And Tuesday:

Days possibly becoming a little cooler after that.

pad199207 · 30-05-2020 9:30am

Fine sunny morning in Kildare. Already 20.4°c.

Oscar Bravo · 30-05-2020 10:17am

Dunsany Co.Meath 21 degrees @ 10am.

sryanbruen · 30-05-2020 10:23am

sryanbruen wrote: »

This spring looks to be a record breaking dry one at Phoenix Park indeed and by a very significant amount from the previous driest, driest springs for the station on record:

1. 2020 - 52.6mm
2. 1929 - 78.1mm
3. 2007 - 79.8mm
4. 1944 - 80.2mm
5. 1990 - 85.3mm
6. 1893 - 86.0mm
7. 1938 - 87.1mm
8. 2011 - 90.2mm
9. 1887 - 92.5mm
10. 1901 - 94.6mm

Data from Met Eireann

The Met confirmed this along with Casement and the airport too.

https://twitter.com/metclimate/status/1266367738559119362?s=21

Harry Palmr · 30-05-2020 10:25am

Waterford has had the advantage (I reckon!) of a fresh breeze to take the edge off the heat/humidity - very pleasant.

Gonzo · 30-05-2020 11:12am

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

Temperatures well into the 20s for most days and in most places right up to Tuesday

Days possibly becoming a little cooler after that.

This week coming doesn't look like it will cool as quickly, some of the models begin the cooldown on Wednesday while others delay it into next weekend.

The GEM gives us a very warm to potentially hot day on Friday 5th of June, The GEM also doesn't really get us properly into the northerly either and we just stay on the warm and and very dry side right into the following week.

Latest GFS also giving us quite a warm day on Friday too, delaying the cold into next weekend with low 20's possible in places up to Saturday.Southern half of the country likely to stay under warmer conditions for that bit longer.

Gonzo · 30-05-2020 11:22am

11am, Mt Dillon 23C, Casement on 22C.

21C here in Meath, a degree up on this time yesterday. Very little breeze too, if that continues today is going to be a hot one for many.

SleetAndSnow · 30-05-2020 11:36am

Back to the blue skies in cork city! About 18 degrees and a bit of a breeze from the south east but it's lovely.

giveitholly · 30-05-2020 11:38am

21.8 in south tipp at the moment

sryanbruen · 30-05-2020 12:10pm

The records keep on coming... 4th driest May on record at Phoenix Park and driest May since 1991. Casement with 265.8 hrs to 29th has had its sunniest of any month on record and with another 2 sunny days, I think this will safely mean May 2020 will be the sunniest month in Dublin since June 1957 or even July 1955. Wonder how the overall spring will rank sunshine wise.

This spring will be a tough one to beat in future.

EDIT: This blog post by Maynooth's ICARUS is worth a read. April/May 2020 are the driest of any two-month period on record for Phoenix Park! The drought is already more extreme than Summer 2018 too.

http://icarus-maynooth.blogspot.com/2020/05/2020-driest-spring-in-dublin-since.html

Oscar Bravo · 30-05-2020 12:24pm

Belmullet up to 23 degrees at midday

Cork Boy 53 · 30-05-2020 12:37pm

sryanbruen wrote: »

The records keep on coming... 4th driest May on record at Phoenix Park and driest May since 1991. Casement with 265.8 hrs to 29th has had its sunniest of any month on record and with another 2 sunny days, I think this will safely mean May 2020 will be the sunniest month in Dublin since June 1957 or even July 1955. Wonder how the overall spring will rank sunshine wise.

This spring will be a tough one to beat in future.

How is Cork faring in terms of spring sunshine and dry weather records?

Donegal Storm · 30-05-2020 12:37pm

Glorious in Donegal, feels like the warmest day yet

John.Icy · 30-05-2020 12:42pm

Gone rather cloudy in D9, all high stuff but very little sunlight is getting through, just about holding onto hazy conditions.

Hopefully it get's a move on, 21 degrees here atm which suggests we have a chance today of getting a nicer 22-23 degrees here which would be the warmest in several days.

esposito · 30-05-2020 1:04pm

John.Icy wrote: »

Gone rather cloudy in D9, all high stuff but very little sunlight is getting through, just about holding onto hazy conditions.

Hopefully it get's a move on, 21 degrees here atm which suggests we have a chance today of getting a nicer 22-23 degrees here which would be the warmest in several days.

Yeah hopefully that high cloud shifts. It’s also quite breezy at the coast and quite cool.

Slashermcguirk · 30-05-2020 1:06pm

It feels warmer here in Dublin than yesterday

Gonzo wrote: »

11am, Mt Dillon 23C, Casement on 22C.

21C here in Meath, a degree up on this time yesterday. Very little breeze too, if that continues today is going to be a hot one for many.

Slashermcguirk · 30-05-2020 1:08pm

I think cork airport has had about 210mm of rain so it looks like cork has been one of the wetter locations. That’s going by the met eireann readings. That’s 4 times as much rain as Dublin in the same time period.

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

How is Cork faring in terms of spring sunshine and dry weather records?

Cork Boy 53 · 30-05-2020 1:48pm

Slashermcguirk wrote: »

I think cork airport has had about 210mm of rain so it looks like cork has been one of the wetter locations. That’s going by the met eireann readings. That’s 4 times as much rain as Dublin in the same time period.

I can only recall any significant heavy rainfall in Cork this spring on 5th April and 21st and 22nd May. Hard to square that with those figures.

Spring 2020 - General Discussion

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