Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Irish Steve · 19-05-2020 9:13pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Watch this space. The greens (currently in govt formation talks with FF and Fg) have plans for aviation and I fully support them.

And fortunately, while there may be some short term optical changes as a result of a minority green myopia, there is also the very necessary recognition of the reality of Ireland being an island nation on the extremity of the continent, with no easy access to the rest of the EU by any alternative methods, and there is no telling how the eventual withdrawal of the UK from the EU will affect access to the existing (tortuous) routes to Europe. In the very long term, alternatives may be found, but I would venture to suggest that it will be several generations before there is a significant change in the importance of air travel for some journeys, so making the airport as efficient as possible will need to remain a priority, the present road and airfield structures are very much not energy friendly, and some of the DAA and government decisions about the access to and usage of the core space are not helping that objective.

WishUWereHere · 20-05-2020 9:06am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Watch this space. The greens (currently in govt formation talks with FF and Fg) have plans for aviation and I fully support them.

Heaven forbid me asking, but what are the greens plans? I dread finding out.

Respect your opinion BWP, but for me the last thing this country needs is the greens in government.

WishUWereHere · 20-05-2020 9:10am

Irish Steve wrote: »

And fortunately, while there may be some short term optical changes as a result of a minority green myopia, there is also the very necessary recognition of the reality of Ireland being an island nation on the extremity of the continent, with no easy access to the rest of the EU by any alternative methods, and there is no telling how the eventual withdrawal of the UK from the EU will affect access to the existing (tortuous) routes to Europe. In the very long term, alternatives may be found, but I would venture to suggest that it will be several generations before there is a significant change in the importance of air travel for some journeys, so making the airport as efficient as possible will need to remain a priority, the present road and airfield structures are very much not energy friendly, and some of the DAA and government decisions about the access to and usage of the core space are not helping that objective.

Couldn't agree more. Well said IS!

Hotblack Desiato · 21-05-2020 6:14pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Watch this space. The greens (currently in govt formation talks with FF and Fg) have plans for aviation and I fully support them.

They have 12 TDs. Dream on. Anyway it looks like they will try to kick Ryan out and/or split over going into government.

Imagine your party trying to kick you out because you were going to enter government and get some of your policies implemented. They'd rather be virginal and pure on the opposition benches, getting none of their policies implemented. Logical it ain't.

Brendan Bendar · 22-05-2020 5:59am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

No longer required T2 added the capacity plus rise of online check in, self service and hand baggage only travel has reduced check in desk demand. Area 14 was never planned for a check in area.

Correct... it was only a temperory set up at any stage.

Kermit.de.frog · 22-05-2020 8:21pm

So as far as I understand all anyone has to do to evade the UK quarantine is fly in to Dublin, spend a few hours at the airport before moving on the UK.

Bizarre anomaly to leave open. Don't think DUB will complain though.

And because the UK have announced it days in advance I imagine people are making their plans already.

Beechwoodspark · 22-05-2020 8:23pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So as far as I understand all anyone has to do to evade the UK quarantine is fly in to Dublin, spend a few hours at the airport before moving on the UK.

Bizarre anomaly to leave open. Don't think DUB will complain though.

And because the UK have announced it days in advance I imagine people are making their plans already.

Thank you for pointing this out. Should be a total ban on all flights into dublin

Beechwoodspark · 22-05-2020 8:23pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

Having plans and dreaming are 2 completely different things. If the greens get in they’ll only be tea boys to FF/Fg.

Watch this space

Blut2 · 22-05-2020 8:27pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So as far as I understand all anyone has to do to evade the UK quarantine is fly in to Dublin, spend a few hours at the airport before moving on the UK.

Bizarre anomaly to leave open. Don't think DUB will complain though.

And because the UK have announced it days in advance I imagine people are making their plans already.

This thought also occurred to me. It seems a rather large loophole.

But then again the whole thing is nonsense - the time for border controls was in March, when the disease was initially spreading. Only introducing them now in June, when every other European country is in the process of removing theirs, is pure security theatre.

L1011 · 22-05-2020 8:28pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Thank you for pointing this out. Should be a total ban on all flights into dublin

You are just trolling now. Do not post in this thread again, or attempt similar anywhere else on the forum

Micky 32 · 22-05-2020 10:11pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Thank you for pointing this out. Should be a total ban on all flights into dublin

Yeah for your own agenda that’s nothing to do with the virus. But keep on dreaming.

jucylucy · 22-05-2020 10:16pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Thank you for pointing this out. Should be a total ban on all flights into dublin

Must have a lot of time on you’re hands not having to fill out those noise complaints these days&#55357;&#56834;&#55357;&#56834;

WishUWereHere · 23-05-2020 4:20pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

So as far as I understand all anyone has to do to evade the UK quarantine is fly in to Dublin, spend a few hours at the airport before moving on the UK.

Bizarre anomaly to leave open. Don't think DUB will complain though.

And because the UK have announced it days in advance I imagine people are making their plans already.

Wonder why the delay in implementing this? June 8 am I right? Could understand maybe a 2 day cushion to allow ultra long haul to get 'in', but nearly 2 week cushion?

WishUWereHere · 23-05-2020 4:22pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Thank you for pointing this out. Should be a total ban on all flights into dublin

HOW??? How do we get the PPE from China/S Korea here? Not to mention all the other supplies which come in by plane?

You support the greens, and now want a total ban on incoming flights? :rolleyes:

WishUWereHere · 23-05-2020 4:24pm

L1011 wrote: »

You are just trolling now. Do not post in this thread again, or attempt similar anywhere else on the forum

OOPS apologies Mod, just seen this message after asking the OP the question on wanting all flights into DUB banned.

Feel free to remove if You wish.

Podge_irl · 23-05-2020 6:24pm

Blut2 wrote: »

This thought also occurred to me. It seems a rather large loophole.

But then again the whole thing is nonsense - the time for border controls was in March, when the disease was initially spreading. Only introducing them now in June, when every other European country is in the process of removing theirs, is pure security theatre.

Its not complete nonsense. If the disease is endemic in a country, then incoming travellers won't make much difference to the spread. If it is under control in the country, and they are obviously hoping that will be the case, then incoming travellers have the chance to cause it to spread wildly again.

Of course, the UK is nowhere near getting the spread under control so seems a bit pointless. But it actually might make sense in later months.

Blut2 · 23-05-2020 10:21pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Its not complete nonsense. If the disease is endemic in a country, then incoming travellers won't make much difference to the spread. If it is under control in the country, and they are obviously hoping that will be the case, then incoming travellers have the chance to cause it to spread wildly again.

Of course, the UK is nowhere near getting the spread under control so seems a bit pointless. But it actually might make sense in later months.

The UK currently has the most active infection of any major European country. It would make far more sense for other countries to be quarantining arrivals from the UK, and not the other way around. Statistically arrivals from Germany, France etc are much less likely to have the virus than the UK population.

The time it would have been effective, and made sense to introduce, was in March, when the UK had a much less severe outbreak that other countries. But instead they let tens of thousands of people fly into the country for major sporting events like Cheltenham or Champions League games.

Implementing it in June, when the horse has very much bolted, is pure security theatre - its entirely for the optics of the UK government being able to say "We're doing something!!" to distract from their terrible mishandling of the crisis. Its both not logical in terms of outbreak spread or timing, and according to the WHO its not an effective measure.

Thats why its complete nonsense.

Donegal Storm · 24-05-2020 1:41am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Anyone know if runway construction resumed today?

16/34 crossing is well underway now

https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?lat=53.42727&lng=-6.25685&zoom=14&time=2020-05-20&preset=1_TRUE_COLOR&datasource=Sentinel-2%20L2A

davebuck · 25-05-2020 8:08pm

What's the general view on the DAA list of proposed projects will they be delayed or dropped completely or a bit of both? Just as well the North runway is so far advanced or it could have been stopped as well.

Pat Dunne · 25-05-2020 8:58pm

Donegal Storm wrote: »

16/34 crossing is well underway now

https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?lat=53.42727&lng=-6.25685&zoom=14&time=2020-05-20&preset=1_TRUE_COLOR&datasource=Sentinel-2%20L2A

God bless your eyesight, it’s a very out of focus photo, even using the link.

PCros · 25-05-2020 9:00pm

davebuck wrote: »

What's the general view on the DAA list of proposed projects will they be delayed or dropped completely or a bit of both? Just as well the North runway is so far advanced or it could have been stopped as well.

Indeed it's probably on the right side of completion.

However, with the pending DAA redundancies I would imagine the north runway may lay idle for a number of years or until normal traffic levels resume at the airport.

MJohnston · 25-05-2020 9:24pm

PCros wrote: »

Indeed it's probably on the right side of completion.

However, with the pending DAA redundancies I would imagine the north runway may lay idle for a number of years or until normal traffic levels resume at the airport.

Doubt it, the south runway is in need of repairs after all

PCros · 25-05-2020 9:31pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Doubt it, the south runway is in need of repairs after all

Didn't know that.

Only time will tell I suppose.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-05-2020 12:04pm

I have a feeling the recovery will be a lot faster than many think, a lot of pent up demand as well. Can see the airport in a very different place this time next year.

MJohnston · 26-05-2020 12:11pm

Again I'll say it, pent up demand does not necessarily equate to usage - people want to go abroad on holiday, but will they actually make that choice? If this warm weather at home continues, I can see a lot of people not bothering. We'll see how quickly the 14 day quarantine rule lasts too.

Kermit.de.frog · 26-05-2020 12:16pm

It becomes harder to sustain the timelines and restriction when evidently the disease is increasingly under control not just in Ireland.

In fact the biggest risk country to us appears to be the UK in terms of infections so be interesting to whether we get more selective on our travel ban for countries not so badly effected but maintain for others not there yet.

Hopefully we'll be able to speed things up on this because we need travel in and out of here.

Donegal Storm · 27-05-2020 12:06am

Pat Dunne wrote: »

God bless your eyesight, it’s a very out of focus photo, even using the link.

If you compare it to a month ago it should be fairly obvious!

https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?lat=53.42995&lng=-6.27558&zoom=14&time=2020-04-15&preset=1_TRUE_COLOR&datasource=Sentinel-2%20L2A

MJohnston wrote: »

Doubt it, the south runway is in need of repairs after all

Existing runway was resurfaced in full in 2018/19, surely it doesn't need repairs already..?

Kermit.de.frog · 19-06-2020 4:03pm

https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1273977573509300224

A bit disappointed with that tweet. We still haven't got over the penny pinching on projects like this in Ireland.

For a relatively small extra length it could handle every commercial aircraft. For some reason they come up short.

jamo2oo9 · 19-06-2020 4:11pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1273977573509300224

A bit disappointed with that tweet. We still haven't got over the penny pinching on projects like this in Ireland.

For a relatively small extra length it could handle every commercial aircraft. For some reason they come up short.

AFAIK, the 225 can take off with a min of 3000m. Needs 3500m for max weight takeoff so if the new runway is 3110m, it would be capable of landing and taking off at DUB however it's also a question if the airport is capable of handling the aircraft with regards to weight capacity of taxiways/runway, the taxiway lighting/signs etc.

IngazZagni · 19-06-2020 4:24pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1273977573509300224

A bit disappointed with that tweet. We still haven't got over the penny pinching on projects like this in Ireland.

For a relatively small extra length it could handle every commercial aircraft. For some reason they come up short.

So you are promoting the use of an extra €50 million or so just in case 1 aircraft might pop by once in a blue moon? I'm sorry but that's simply ridiculous. Modern aircraft are getting more efficient all the time and the new runway at 3,110 metres will be more than capable for just about everything.

plodder · 19-06-2020 4:26pm

https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1273977904142188544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ooh Matron!! :P

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 20-06-2020 11:10am

Why is our active runway slightly north of west? (28)

Our prevailing wind is south west, would a runway around the 220 mark not make more sense?

sparrowcar · 20-06-2020 11:40am

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

Why is our active runway slightly north of west? (28)

Our prevailing wind is south west, would a runway around the 220 mark not make more sense?

Hey Ballymun..... move.
It down to land availability.

goingnowhere · 20-06-2020 11:42am

Its smaller sister the 124 has landed with a load of 109 tons in the past and can almost make a MTOW on 28, no issue with MTOW on the new runway

Only 1 225 in the world, quite a few 124's

LXFlyer · 20-06-2020 11:49am

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

Why is our active runway slightly north of west? (28)

Our prevailing wind is south west, would a runway around the 220 mark not make more sense?

The original main runway was 05/23 but it involved flying over significant amounts of built up areas at either end.

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 20-06-2020 11:55am

sparrowcar wrote: »

Hey Ballymun..... move.
It down to land availability.

DUB has been there before Ballymun was developed though

sparrowcar · 20-06-2020 12:19pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

DUB has been there before Ballymun was developed though

Yes but the flats went up in the 60's and the present RWY28 in the late 80's. It was probably to late in the 80's to start trying to aquire land to the south west.

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 20-06-2020 12:24pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

Yes but the flats went up in the 60's and the present RWY28 in the late 80's. It was probably to late in the 80's to start trying to aquire land to the south west.

What was the active runway before 28?

Why wasn't the SW one built in the 1940's from the beginning,?

LXFlyer · 20-06-2020 12:50pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

What was the active runway before 28?

Why wasn't the SW one built in the 1940's from the beginning,?

Eh, I already answered that - three posts before yours.

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 20-06-2020 3:36pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

Eh, I already answered that - three posts before yours.

Apologies. Just saw it now. On touch site with a crappy phone.

Tampex are on special. You seem very irritable.

LXFlyer · 20-06-2020 4:06pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

Apologies. Just saw it now. On touch site with a crappy phone.

Tampex are on special. You seem very irritable.

Not at all - just seemed strange that you missed it.

The original main runway 05/23 lasted until 10/28 was built.

As I posted it crossed too many built up areas so the only option was east/west.

L1011 · 20-06-2020 8:29pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

Apologies. Just saw it now. On touch site with a crappy phone.

Tampex are on special. You seem very irritable.

This post falls well below the acceptable standard on this forum

D'Peoples Voice · 11-08-2020 6:36am

Donegal Storm wrote: »

16/34 crossing is well underway now

https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?lat=53.42727&lng=-6.25685&zoom=14&time=2020-05-20&preset=1_TRUE_COLOR&datasource=Sentinel-2%20L2A

Yeah, the updated version is showing good progress
Dublin Airport Second Runway

EI321 · 31-08-2020 1:54pm

What is the tower crane recently erected in front of Terminal 2 for, is it a hotel?

31-08-2020 6:32pm

EI321 wrote: »

What is the tower crane recently erected in front of Terminal 2 for, is it a hotel?

Baggage hall I was told.

Kev11491 · 04-09-2020 5:33pm

Today en route to Heathrow. It's looking well.

Kev11491 · 04-09-2020 5:37pm

Today en route to Heathrow. It's looking well.

donvito99 · 04-09-2020 5:55pm

Kev11491 wrote: »

Today en route to Heathrow. It's looking well.

Why does the parallel taxiway kink and cross 16/34 at a right angle, instead of jut continuing straight across does anyone know? Is it to permit traffic to hold short between the new runway and the new taxiway on 16/34?

NH2013 · 04-09-2020 6:14pm

donvito99 wrote: »

Why does the parallel taxiway kink and cross 16/34 at a right angle, instead of jut continuing straight across does anyone know? Is it to permit traffic to hold short between the new runway and the new taxiway on 16/34?

ILS glidepath antenna for Runway 16 is in the way, so the taxiway kinks around to the south of the antenna.

Were the taxiway to go straight through, then putting the glide slope antenna on the north side of the taxiway would be too close to the threshold of 16, and on the south side of a straight through taxiway would be too far displaced down a short runway and also liable to interference from any aircraft holding on the taxiway.

smurfjed · 04-09-2020 6:21pm

Is the caravan park still there? Or as they portacabins for the construction companies.

Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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