Cheltenham 2020

BoldReason · 13-01-2020 6:40pm

yaboya1 wrote: »

No you won't!

Are you sure. If you get balloted out for being rated to low you get money back anyway. I assumed it was the same if a horse was pushed up the other way after being enntered. I vaguely remember it happening a horse last year but I have no idea whether people got their money back or not.

yaboya1 · 13-01-2020 6:45pm

BoldReason wrote: »

Are you sure. If you get balloted out for being rated to low you get money back anyway. I assumed it was the same if a horse was pushed up the other way after being enntered. I vaguely remember it happening a horse last year but I have no idea whether people got their money back or not.

Oh yeah, sorry. If he's balloted out because he's rated too high you'll be refunded. I took you up wrong and thought you meant if he didn't run because trainer pulled him out due to being unhappy with his handicap mark. Wasn't thinking about the upper handicap limit.

BoldReason · 13-01-2020 6:47pm

yaboya1 wrote: »

Oh yeah, sorry. If he's balloted out because he's rated too high you'll be refunded. I took you up wrong and thought you meant if he didn't run because trainer pulled him out due to being unhappy with his handicap mark. Wasn't thinking about the upper handicap limit.

Of course it would all be avoidable if an Irish trainer didn't have to enter a horse to get a mark.

stretchaq · 14-01-2020 11:21pm

Anyone have anything looking good antepost before NRNB eats up the prices

Few of mine
Supasundae for Champion, not really a fan of the horse but 33/1 was too big

Penhill world hurdle, 16/1 reckon 5 of the top 6 in the market won’t run has run 2 stinkers this year but there is always hope

Presenting Percy 14/1, it actually hurts me to back him but still have that RSA win etched in my Mind

Glenloe 12/1Kim muir, goes without saying really

Early doors ultima, speculative one but of interest at 16s

Tower bridge in close brothers 16/1, great price think he has a handicap in him

Itchy feet 20/1 JLT, bet trees at Leicester over Christmas but thought his jumping was very good

Carefully selected 4m have several bets from 20s to 12s really fancy him (well as much as you can fancy a horse in this) needs a run over 3m to qualify

Lackmersie 7/1 mares novices looks like taking the same route as Lauriea look very good in tramore

Defi....... really want to have a big bet of defi for Ryanair my hearts tells me he is going there sort of hope UDS beats him in ascot Saturday then he will go Ryanair

Just hope they all get there now reckon 2 won’t run in the right race or get injured!!!!

Anyone any nice fancies!!!

Slattsy · 15-01-2020 12:18am

Good to see someone else doing it right.

I fancied Carefully Selected for the RSA. But Champagne Classic was my strong fancy for the NH Chase. I do believe that they have it between them, but CC is the better of em! Well I have to say that lol

Slattsy · 15-01-2020 12:22am

Early Doors another obvious one, but I've another dart for the Ultima that also been laid out. So I'm extremely split tbh. I may have to wait and see what JP does.

I'll keep watching the markets and see what starts to move over the coming weeks.

stretchaq · 15-01-2020 12:31am

Slattsy wrote: »

Early Doors another obvious one, but I've another dart for the Ultima that also been laid out. So I'm extremely split tbh. I may have to wait and see what JP does.

I'll keep watching the markets and see what starts to move over the coming weeks.

The other dart is ??? Fitz Henry?? I actually would have a few pound on yorkhill at 33s I liked his last run just not sure if he goes here

Andrew00 · 15-01-2020 1:06am

Percy is bubbling up nicely for the gold cup. A nice little prep run in the Galmoy will have him spot on

Johner · 15-01-2020 2:00am

Andrew00 wrote: »

Percy is bubbling up nicely for the gold cup. A nice little prep run in the Galmoy will have him spot on

Ridiculously campaigned horse. Absolute nonsense running a Gold Cup contender in a hurdle race as a prep.

madmoose · 15-01-2020 7:35am

Slattsy wrote: »

Early Doors another obvious one, but I've another dart for the Ultima that also been laid out. So I'm extremely split tbh. I may have to wait and see what JP does.

I'll keep watching the markets and see what starts to move over the coming weeks.

What mark will he get over fences as his hurdles mark is 152? He needs another run which he will get, i was thinking he was more one for the NH Chase as he is qualified and i can’t spot a JP for that race at the moment, JP will always try and win the race in honour of McNamara.

madmoose · 15-01-2020 7:38am

Column of Fire 20/1 nrnb for the Martin Pipe

This lad has ran a few decent races this season and improving with each run (ties in well with Longhouse Poet), travelled well to go and take over the lead last time before falling late on but is out again today at Punchestown.

It’s the same race Gordon won with Dalles Des Pictons last year and he was mentioning the Martin Pipe after that win which he then ended up coming 2nd in at the festival.

Kauto · 15-01-2020 7:55am

Johner wrote: »

Ridiculously campaigned horse. Absolute nonsense running a Gold Cup contender in a hurdle race as a prep.

Why? Nice sharpener for the horse!

Earendil · 15-01-2020 9:32am

Kauto wrote: »

Why? Nice sharpener for the horse!

Run your grade 1 chasers in grade 1 chases.

Johner is correct here. Horse was ridiculously campaigned last year. Same seems to be happening for a few years with Mall Dini though at a different level.

NaiveMelodies · 15-01-2020 10:24am

stretchaq wrote: »

Few of mine
Supasundae for Champion, not really a fan of the horse but 33/1 was too big

On this slightly unrelated note, 20s about him in the Irish Champion Hurdle is savage each way value.

IAMAMORON · 15-01-2020 10:31am

Andrew00 wrote: »

Percy is bubbling up nicely for the gold cup. A nice little prep run in the Galmoy will have him spot on

It will look great when they make the movie. Seemingly Brendan Gleeson is signed up to play Pat Kelly and Hugh Grant is going to play Philip Reynolds.

it is either Colin Farrell or Tom Vaughan Lawlor to paly Davy Russell. The agents are discussing.

All the horse has to do is win the Gold Cup now, no bother.

They are going to call the film " Pipe Dream ".

15-01-2020 10:53am

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It will look great when they make the movie. Seemingly Brendan Gleeson is signed up to play Pat Kelly and Hugh Grant is going to play Philip Reynolds.

it is either Colin Farrell or Tom Vaughan Lawlor to paly Davy Russell. The agents are discussing.

All the horse has to do is win the Gold Cup now, no bother.

They are going to call the film " Pipe Dream ".

That's funny, whether it's true or not.... If not, it's great bs :pac::pac:

RivetingRoger · 15-01-2020 11:27am

Worth our while setting up an AP Bet's thread for the festival?
Gave a fair few speculations done meself! Be interested to see others
Or should we keep all Cheltenham stuff together?
What ye think lads?

RivetingRoger · 15-01-2020 11:27am

Andrew00 wrote: »

Percy is bubbling up nicely for the gold cup. A nice little prep run in the Galmoy will have him spot on

on him @16's

RivetingRoger · 15-01-2020 11:28am

Johner wrote: »

Ridiculously campaigned horse. Absolute nonsense running a Gold Cup contender in a hurdle race as a prep.

???
He has run 2 chases already this season .................

Much better prep this year

NaiveMelodies · 15-01-2020 11:31am

The unusual nature of Percys prep is maddening tbf.

He did win a Galmoy en route to RSA victory though and if he squeezed in the Red Mills in Feb like he did in 2018 it might bode well.

Slattsy · 15-01-2020 11:57am

madmoose wrote: »

What mark will he get over fences as his hurdles mark is 152? He needs another run which he will get, i was thinking he was more one for the NH Chase as he is qualified and i can’t spot a JP for that race at the moment, JP will always try and win the race in honour of McNamara.

JP has two/three in each of those handicaps, its hard to know which way they'll go.

IAMAMORON · 15-01-2020 12:40pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Worth our while setting up an AP Bet's thread for the festival?
Gave a fair few speculations done meself! Be interested to see others
Or should we keep all Cheltenham stuff together?
What ye think lads?

2 threads is plenty. Throw in the 10 to follow and it gets as messy as a 27 runner handicap.

I have the rasher counter at 66's for the gold cup , and hughie morrisons for the champiob hurdle.

Dr. Bre · 15-01-2020 1:06pm

Anyone on here in favour of a five day festival?

IAMAMORON · 15-01-2020 1:14pm

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Anyone on here in favour of a five day festival?

Only if they fly me over and set me up in nice digs.

I don't know what the problem is , punchestown have 5 days and Galway do 7.

madmoose · 15-01-2020 1:42pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Only if they fly me over and set me up in nice digs.

I don't know what the problem is , punchestown have 5 days and Galway do 7.

Maybe because Cheltenham is our Olympics and the quality of racing shouldnt be diluted, plus at those meetings you mention there are plenty of ****e races on some cards.

famagusta · 15-01-2020 1:46pm

madmoose wrote:

Maybe because Cheltenham is our Olympics and the quality of racing shouldnt be diluted, plus at those meetings you mention there are plenty of ****e races on some cards.

Spot on, I love the race at punchestown only open to farmers from kildare or some sh1te like that!! The festival shouldn't be diluted

IAMAMORON · 15-01-2020 1:56pm

madmoose wrote: »

Maybe because Cheltenham is our Olympics and the quality of racing shouldnt be diluted, plus at those meetings you mention there are plenty of ****e races on some cards.

I don't really mind. The more racing the better.

I doubt Uttoxeter are behind it, the midlands national is their biggest day of the year.

Doctors room ghost · 15-01-2020 3:27pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Only if they fly me over and set me up in nice digs.

I don't know what the problem is , punchestown have 5 days and Galway do 7.

The last 2 days in Galway are muck though.5 days would be plenty.

RivetingRoger · 15-01-2020 3:31pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I don't really mind. The more racing the better.

I doubt Uttoxeter are behind it, the midlands national is their biggest day of the year.

Monday to Friday maybe?

not for me btw

IAMAMORON · 15-01-2020 3:38pm

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

The last 2 days in Galway are muck though.5 days would be plenty.

They should really go 8 days for Ballybrit.

It makes sense.

Slattsy · 15-01-2020 3:50pm

Galway as a festival is muck, quality wise. Bottom of the barrel stuff.

Doctors room ghost · 15-01-2020 4:01pm

Didn’t percy get a private gallop in Galway as part of his cheltenham prep last year I seem to remember.
GO ON THE PERCY

BumperD · 15-01-2020 6:29pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Galway as a festival is muck, quality wise. Bottom of the barrel stuff.

This has been done to death. National Hunt summer racing what are you expecting a champion hurdle book ended by a few Grade 1 flat races on an oval track? Goodwood is on the same week and despite being only 5 days is littered with as many maidens and upside down handicaps yet I find it strange the fawning over festival. Anyway going off topic we have the whole summer to bash Ballybrit yawn

BumperD · 15-01-2020 6:36pm

They should leave Cheltenham as is. 5 days would dilute the quality even more than moving from 3 days to 4. And ffs leave it away from Saturday I fear you’ll just attract a wrong crowd. People who genuinely love the NH racing are the most part those who will take a day off work to attend.

Clique · 15-01-2020 6:41pm

If they were ever to move it to 5 days, I'd rather them just have 6 races a day so it's only an extra couple of races. Diluted as it is now, imagine adding in another 7 races. A lady riders race, a mares bumper, a 2m 4f G1 hurdle etc. that's what Aintree is for! Money will talk eventually unfortunately

Dr. Bre · 15-01-2020 6:53pm

Clique wrote: »

If they were ever to move it to 5 days, I'd rather them just have 6 races a day so it's only an extra couple of races. Diluted as it is now, imagine adding in another 7 races. A lady riders race, a mares bumper, a 2m 4f G1 hurdle etc. that's what Aintree is for! Money will talk eventually unfortunately

Decent shout. If it’s an extra day have 6 races rather than 7. So not many extra races need to be added.

stretchaq · 15-01-2020 7:33pm

Leave it at 4 I can’t drink for 5 days!!! That’s what alcoholics do ðŸ˜‚

HarshOstrich · 15-01-2020 8:11pm

5 days with 6 races a day.
Throw in a 2mile 4furlong grade 1 hurdle and a veterans race and the festival will be the better for it.
I don't care for aintrees grade 1 hurdle.
Cheltenham is the olympics and should have a middle distance grade 1 hurdle race.
Im not a fan of the mares races either.

Doctors room ghost · 15-01-2020 10:13pm

Percy in to 10/1 for the gold cup on pp.bet bet bet.
GO ON THE PERCY

Slattsy · 15-01-2020 10:22pm

BumperD wrote: »

This has been done to death. National Hunt summer racing what are you expecting a champion hurdle book ended by a few Grade 1 flat races on an oval track? Goodwood is on the same week and despite being only 5 days is littered with as many maidens and upside down handicaps yet I find it strange the fawning over festival. Anyway going off topic we have the whole summer to bash Ballybrit yawn

So my point stands, cheers for tidying that up for everyone.

Slattsy · 15-01-2020 10:24pm

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

Percy in to 10/1 for the gold cup on pp.bet bet bet.
GO ON THE PERCY

Have you been on the beer all day?

longshotvalue · 15-01-2020 10:25pm

HarshOstrich wrote: »

5 days with 6 races a day.
Throw in a 2mile 4furlong grade 1 hurdle and a veterans race and the festival will be the better for it.
I don't care for aintrees grade 1 hurdle.
Cheltenham is the olympics and should have a middle distance grade 1 hurdle race.
Im not a fan of the mares races either.

I hate 6 race days. There too short ..

Doctors room ghost · 15-01-2020 10:27pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Have you been on the beer all day?

I wish slattsy.hes a local horse here is the Percy and I hope he goes well, hence GO ON THE PERCY ðŸ˜‚

Slattsy · 15-01-2020 10:28pm

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I wish slattsy.hes a local horse here is the Percy and I hope he goes well, hence GO ON THE PERCY ðŸ˜‚

I don't know now...

WicklowBravee · 15-01-2020 10:33pm

Presenting Percy never surrender. 4 day week 3 day bender

zpehtsfd · 15-01-2020 10:45pm

aidankkk wrote: »

I hate 6 race days. There too short ..

No chance they cut it to 6 races a day.

If they really want the 5th day then i would keep everything the same for the 4 days and then have a bunch of Grade 2/3 and handicaps on the Saturday and cater to the casual racegoer. If they start moving the championship races then it is going to be a disaster. imo

BumperD · 16-01-2020 4:47am

Slattsy wrote: »

So my point stands, cheers for tidying that up for everyone.

It’s a Cheltenham 2020 thread, your welcome. Ballybrit bashing is repeated here each year. Yawn. It’s like wheeling out an old chestnut to kick. It’s running 150 years give or take, time to get used to it. They are never going to get pattern races there despite throwing up Cheltenham, derby and Melbourne cup winners in the last 4 years. Focus is on a festival. The better races are quite rightly run at better tracks no one has an issue with that. Best attendance in the country and Reinvested to provide the best facilities - and rightly so. Other tracks could learn given they are dieing while Ballybrit thrives on “muck”.

BumperD · 16-01-2020 4:59am

MaxBet wrote: »

I have a list of on my phone from last March , titled Cheltenham 2020 and number 4/15 on the list is no Antepost bets . First time in a good while that I’m sticking to that .
My own experience of it is definitely not worth it , much better off waiting until the time ...

Anyone backing without NRNB, in today’s competitive market, is not betting sensibly. The ante post markets died years ago. NRNB is out far earlier now than ever you can get value and still have a run for your money, betting without that concession without inside information is idiotic.

carq · 16-01-2020 7:30am

Good call on whoever tipped column of fire gor the martin pipe
Best price 14/1 now. 10/1 nrnb

madmoose · 16-01-2020 8:19am

carq wrote: »

Good call on whoever tipped column of fire gor the martin pipe
Best price 14/1 now. 10/1 nrnb

It was myself on the other page and he bolted up but hope his mark won’t be above 145, shouldn’t be though as Longhouse Poet is 142 who COF was behind a few starts ago and he was 3rd in a Grade 1 lto.

Cheltenham 2020

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