Crimes that have stayed with you for years

juno10353 · 10-08-2020 3:35pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Brendan Smith sexually abused 75 children over four decades ruining each and every one of those childrens lives. For that he got a 4 year sentence in prison. Irrespective of his age his sentence should have ensured that he would never again walk about in society as a free man. That would have been justice, not a pathetic 4 year prison sentence for a serial paedophile.

He was sentenced for each crime but then the sentences were made concurrent. Concurrent sentences where individual
Victims and crimes should be abolished.

Hangdogroad · 10-08-2020 3:36pm

The first serial killer case I remember would be Dennis Neilson. I remember my grandmother and her neighbour talking about it and the woman next door saying it was reported in the news that the police were taking away "buckets of meat" out of his flat. That stayed with me though I think it might have been her imagination running away with her.

TheWonderLlama · 10-08-2020 3:44pm

Patrick Nugent. A Chef in Bunratty, two gardai up to their necks in it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/who-clocked-patrick-nugent-a-family-still-searches-for-answers-1.3107557

Faugheen · 10-08-2020 3:54pm

The Alan Hawe case. What an evil, narcissistic bastard.

Columbine as well. I was only a child at the time but it was really the first time that I realised what a ****ed up place the world is.

EmmetSpiceland · 10-08-2020 3:55pm

Hangdogroad wrote: »

The first serial killer case I remember would be Dennis Neilson. I remember my grandmother and her neighbour talking about it and the woman next door saying it was reported in the news that the police were taking away "buckets of meat" out of his flat. That stayed with me though I think it might have been her imagination running away with her.

Well, the drains were clogged so there’s a chance they were “bucketing” out any remains he hadn’t disposed of.

Could also have been the remains in the drains that they were removing. A frightful character.

The Mighty Quinn · 10-08-2020 4:07pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Karen Buckley, murdered in Glasgow. A very sad case.

This is the one that I thought of immediately.
Terrible. I knew her brother.

paddythere · 10-08-2020 4:33pm

Probably this:

https://coffeeordie.com/homicide-detective-most-gruesome-case/

gmisk · 10-08-2020 4:33pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

The attack on the couple in Cratloe, Co. Clare in 2004. (link) stands out for me, because it's relatively local, I've been in the carpark it happened in a number of times, and the perertrators still crop up in the news for continued scumbaggery from time to time.

A couple in their 30s in the carpark of the popular woods were attacked by the 5 guys wielding a golf club, a screw driver, a wheel brace and a shovel, and forced out of their car. They hit they woman when she refused to give one of the scumbags a kiss. The man worked as a bouncer, and had a retractable baton. The scumbags assumed he was a Garda, shouting "he's a cop, do him", and instead of this making them back off, they beat him and bundled him into the boot of his car. While locked in there, the five scumbags took turns raping the woman on the bonnet, one of the shouting "me next!". When thw woman tried to resist, they threatened to burn the car with him locked inside it. They took a break then to open the boot and beat the man again with the golf club. At some stage, he managed to escape and flag down a passing motorist.

Three of the perpetrators were 16. One was 24. The final one was just 14 when they carried out the attack. One of the 16 year olds, Thomas O'Neill, was described as the ringleader of the gang in court.

O'Neill was sentenced to 10 years, but when he got out, he shacked up with April Collins, who was previously a partner of notorious Limerick gangster and total scumbag Ger Dundon. She later gave evidence against the Dundons, resulting in their imprisonment and the collapse of the gang.

Apologies for the Sun link, but here's the happy scumbag couple, not a care in the world: https://www.thesun.ie/news/1874348/april-collins-evil-rapist-hubby-slashed-in-the-back-in-a-vicious-attack-leaving-him-fearing-for-his-safety/

In contrast, one of the others convicted of the attack and rape hanged himself in prison, leaving a note apologising for his crimes.

https://www.herald.ie/news/rapist-says-sorry-before-hanging-himself-in-cell-27998881.html

Jesus christ that is horrendous

I have literally never heard of that case.

Your man looks like a proper scumbag, those rings make him look like thanos....fool

Sardonicat · 10-08-2020 4:37pm

gmisk wrote: »

Jesus christ that is horrendous

The stuff of nightmares. That poor couple.

mynamejeff · 10-08-2020 4:56pm

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

The attack on the couple in Cratloe, Co. Clare in 2004. (link) stands out for me, because it's relatively local, I've been in the carpark it happened in a number of times, and the perertrators still crop up in the news for continued scumbaggery from time to time.

A couple in their 30s in the carpark of the popular woods were attacked by the 5 guys wielding a golf club, a screw driver, a wheel brace and a shovel, and forced out of their car. They hit they woman when she refused to give one of the scumbags a kiss. The man worked as a bouncer, and had a retractable baton. The scumbags assumed he was a Garda, shouting "he's a cop, do him", and instead of this making them back off, they beat him and bundled him into the boot of his car. While locked in there, the five scumbags took turns raping the woman on the bonnet, one of the shouting "me next!". When thw woman tried to resist, they threatened to burn the car with him locked inside it. They took a break then to open the boot and beat the man again with the golf club. At some stage, he managed to escape and flag down a passing motorist.

Three of the perpetrators were 16. One was 24. The final one was just 14 when they carried out the attack. One of the 16 year olds, Thomas O'Neill, was described as the ringleader of the gang in court.

O'Neill was sentenced to 10 years, but when he got out, he shacked up with April Collins, who was previously a partner of notorious Limerick gangster and total scumbag Ger Dundon. She later gave evidence against the Dundons, resulting in their imprisonment and the collapse of the gang.

Apologies for the Sun link, but here's the happy scumbag couple, not a care in the world: https://www.thesun.ie/news/1874348/april-collins-evil-rapist-hubby-slashed-in-the-back-in-a-vicious-attack-leaving-him-fearing-for-his-safety/

In contrast, one of the others convicted of the attack and rape hanged himself in prison, leaving a note apologising for his crimes.

https://www.herald.ie/news/rapist-says-sorry-before-hanging-himself-in-cell-27998881.html

I knew Thomas o neill back in the day and around when this happened . easily one of the most awful creatures to crawl out of the sewers of Limerick .

Not long after the rape he tried to set some one on fire .

if I read that he was dead it would not be a bad day , grim but true

GBX · 10-08-2020 5:06pm

Always sticks in my mind. John O'Neill was a friend of my father growing up in Mercer House. I knew him from visiting my grandparents.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/alcoholic-gets-life-sentence-for-murder-1.808125

rob316 · 10-08-2020 5:28pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Two similar crimes stand out to me - both occurring around the same time in Dublin, and exposing the society we have become.

First, the murder of Pawel Kalite and Mariusz Szwajkos by David Curran in 2008 (very briefly mentioned upthread). Two Polish men who came here to work hard and contribute to the country. Features classic symptoms of what we are told is minor crime, "just" anti social behaviour etc - man goes to chipper and gets deliberately bumped into by "children" loitering outside and a minor scuffle ensues. As is often the case, the situation was inflamed by a teenage girl (who never saw the inside of a jail) who rang scumbag David Curran (just 17 at the time) who arrived and stabbed both men in the head with a screwdriver.

The murder of those two chaps received a lot of attention at the time, but I think the later (2010) killing of Lukasz Rzeszutko was in some ways almost more horrifying but it got far less attention - probably because there were no witnesses (unlike the case above). Again, a hard working Polish man struck down by scumbags loitering looking for trouble. In this case, there wasn't even a rudimentary "reason" for the attack as in the above case - Lukasz was walking to work (at about 4.30am) when three scumbags decided to "give him a few slaps" on the pretext of asking for a cigarette - they did it "for a buzz" according to one. He was so badly beaten that his workmates (who found him) didn't recognise him and part of his brain came out his nose. Despite this, only one of the attackers (just 18 at the time) was found guilty of murder, with the other two (one with 55 previous convictions, and out on bail at the time) getting away with a manslaughter conviction.

I think both cases shine a light on Irish society and what they reveal ain't pretty. Young, unemployed scumbags hanging around just looking to cause trouble, unmolested by Gardai and given a life of plenty by a ridiculously generous social welfare system - these people's behaviour and crimes are excused by the social care system and the media (and some posters on here) and they prey upon the very workers that pay their social welfare. Just look at the ages of the murderers - 17 and 18 - still kids in many respects yet so far down the road of scumbaggery that there is no turning back - yet many in NGOs and the media refer to these people as 'vulnerable'!

Curran is eligible for parole now. Absolute sham our justice system is, he shouldn't see the outside of a cell till he is a very old man.

marklazarcovic · 10-08-2020 5:48pm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Well, the drains were clogged so there’s a chance they were “bucketing” out any remains he hadn’t disposed of.

Could also have been the remains in the drains that they were removing. A frightful character.

dyno rod discovered the blocked drains after a complaint was made,the employee got suspicious of the 'meat' clinging to the walls of the drain,it was dark so he told his boss his suspicions and they agreed to return first thing the next day to inspect properly,that night nielsen went into the drain and removed the human flesh he could see,and put chicken pieces there in place of the flesh,hoping to conceal his crimes.

upon returning the next day,dyno rod discovered even more human remains further into the drain,and reported it.

nielsen was arrested when he returned home from work,and didnt even try to deny it.spilled everything,except names,he could not remember some of the people he had killed,dismembered,or burnt to ash,he had forgotten their names.

christ.

10-08-2020 6:08pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/schoolboy-was-young-victim-of-old-hatreds-1.92656%3fmode=amp

The full story behind this,is horrendous

Jimbob1977 · 10-08-2020 6:19pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/schoolboy-was-young-victim-of-old-hatreds-1.92656%3fmode=amp

The full story behind this,is horrendous

Even Coopey's fellow LVF colleagues disowned him in prison. They were appalled, which speaks volumes about the savagery of the attack.

Newcastle (Coopey's home town) is a seaside town like Tramore or Bray. Quite middle class with a Catholic majority that was largely unaffected by The Troubles.

I understand that Coopey was easily led and had a low IQ.

Man Vs ManUre · 10-08-2020 6:19pm

The murder of Roy Collins was huge, and led to an crackdown on scumbag gangsters/inbreds from the moyross area.
Also in limerick, a year earlier the same gangs shot dead Shane Geoghan in a case of mistaken identity. He had the misfortune of walking couple hundred yards home at same time in early hours as a bumbling idiot gun for hire from a family of hitmen in Dublin mistook him for a rival gang member.
Both of these murders of innocent victims, and the bravery especially of Roy Collins father in standing up to the Dunedin’s, were the major catalyst for citywide changes for the better. But too late though for both victims.

bb1234567 · 10-08-2020 6:40pm

The Unbearables wrote: »

Beslan. A crime so wicked it defied belief.

I was only 8 at the time and I can remember so vividly my shock at a school being targeted by terrorists, and the scale of the deaths..remember thinking more children had died than the number of children in my little school.

spurious · 10-08-2020 6:45pm

coinop wrote:

Whoa, just reading about this incident now and learned that the service was being tape-recorded when that attack took took place. Was the recording ever leaked, I wonder?

The audio tape of the Darkley shootings was played on the news accompanied by pictures of the inside of the Church. That may have been why it had such a lasting effect on me.

lazygal · 10-08-2020 6:49pm

The murder of James Bulger.
The Mothercare CCTV footage is haunting. I was the same age as the boys who murdered him. I've two little boys now and I wish I hadn't read the details of the crime because they haunt me. I can't help but think of him and his final hours.

Edgware · 10-08-2020 6:50pm

spurious wrote: »

The audio tape of the Darkley shootings was played on the news accompanied by pictures of the inside of the Church. That may have been why it had such a lasting effect on me.

The weapons used were supplied by Dominic McGlinchey described by Bernadette McAliskey as the "greatest republican"

Spanish Eyes · 10-08-2020 7:04pm

This thread has made me realise how easy it is to forget crimes and horrendous ones at that.

But maybe that's what our minds do, because to keep them there would be awful also.

So sorry for all the families who lost loved ones in distressing circumstances, and those who cannot locate their loved ones either.

gmisk · 10-08-2020 7:28pm

sugarman wrote: »

I dont know if its been mentioned already, but a lot of stuff from the days of "the Troubles" come to mind.

I was only reminded by some of it from catching "Reeling in the Years" the other week.

Growing up seeing some of the atrocities in the news committed by both sides during the height of it was surreal. As a child I obviously didn't fully understand what was going on or why ...and it was frightening to see it happening so close to home on the Island of Ireland. I couldn't imagine growing up the areas of Derry, Belfast and Tyrone etc.. where it was actually happening.

The like of...

Milltown Cemetery attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCOe7gJuaO8

...the subsequent Corporals killings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wgem-f85hE

Loughinisland Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYqDCNsuVOQ

Omagh Bombing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzDgv8HeQAc

...to sadly highlight only a few that come to mind.

There is a doc called no stone unturned about the loughinisland massacre it's excellent.

raclle · 10-08-2020 7:38pm

The beheadings that started being publicised after 9/11. I wasn't right for days after reading that ****

Odhinn · 10-08-2020 7:41pm

raclle wrote: »

The beheadings that started being publicised after 9/11. I read an article in one of our tabloid newspapers about an American or British journalist being killed thinking how the f**k can anyone do that to someone. I wasn't right for days

Daniel Pearl, I'd guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl

Galwayguy35 · 10-08-2020 8:06pm

The Brendan O Donnell case back in 1994, I'm near the Clare border and he was arrested not to far from where I live.

The priest he killed was in our parish for a while but while his murder was terrible what O Donnell did to the mother and son was even worse.

rob316 · 10-08-2020 8:11pm

I was watching Netflix last night a series world's most wanted. Episode on it about the financier of the Rwandan genocide. I almost forgot the savagery of these war crimes. 800,000 men, women and children burned alive, raped and hacked to death with machetes. This wasn't bombs or even much ammunition, this was predominantly savage hand to hand combat. Stuff of nightmares and it all took place over a 100 days.

paddydriver · 10-08-2020 8:14pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think Graham Dwyers crimes will live long in the memory. Especially following the trial, day after day more shocking details came out. Just when you thought you couldnt be shocked any further it comes out that he enjoyed stabbing women while having sex with them, it was real WTF stuff.

Then the fact he had gotten away with the murder for around 18 months but cracking it all came down to a Garda getting in a lake to retrieve a bag that contained a set of keys and handcuffs. The keys had a Tesco clubcard fob on the ring which linked them back to Elaine o'Hara. The case would never have been solved without that Garda being so persistent.

You should read the Paul Williams book on this.. it is very good. I cycle out thru Roundwood on a regular basis and always think of the Gard there who went back and lifted that stuff out of the mud... great policework!

paddydriver · 10-08-2020 8:19pm

I remember being in Quinnsworth Stillorgan when Don Tidey was released - they announced it over the PA in the shop at the time and a big cheer and clapping went up around the whole shop. RIP a Garda and I think someone from the Army who was killed in the shootout to rescue him.

omeara1113 · 10-08-2020 8:21pm

It would be sarah payne for me remember it like it was yesterday

Spanish Eyes · 10-08-2020 8:22pm

For a small enough country we sure have had our share of murders, kidnapping, missing persons and politically/terrorist motivated crime haven't we.

iamstop · 10-08-2020 8:31pm

The tragic case of Tina Fontaine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Tina_Fontaine

roofer1988 · 10-08-2020 8:51pm

coinop wrote: »

What would be true justice, in your opinion? Hanging from a noose?

Maybe the same treatment the 2 people got in first post only do it every day for abput 10 years

sydthebeat · 10-08-2020 8:55pm

The murders by Richard Chase on 27th January 1978.

Itssoeasy · 10-08-2020 8:57pm

Well the James burger one because I was eight years old and my youngest brother was born the day before or after it happened so I have a vivid memory of that time. I mean the awfulness of it was because James bulger was really young and also the two lads who killed him weren't that much older than me. I think one of the two has somewhat kept his head down since he was released but the other lad seems to be a mess and was arrested for child porn.

freshpopcorn · 10-08-2020 9:00pm

Holly Wells and Jesisca Chapman murders, I remember I was about the same age as them and I sort of believed they were kidnapped and were going to fine. I remember there picture being on the News during that Summer. It sort of made me relies the World wasn't a nice place.
Robert Holohan was another case that stuck with me. I was a little older than him but I remember I had a fair idea he wasn't coming home. We returned to school after Christmas and it's all anybody was talking about. I was with my mother in Tesco and a lady told us his body had was found.

Rachel O'Reilly was another case. That I paid a lot of attention to.

A case in the UK I remember was the murder of Johanna Yates in Bristol who went missing just before Christmas. In the days after it was big news, the CCTV of her in the bar, In Tesco, etc was all over the news. Then we all thought we knew who did it. It was an old eccentric guy that lived in the apartment below her and everybody thought he did it and the media gave him a terribly time. It turned out that it was another guy from an apartment that did it.

screamer · 10-08-2020 9:02pm

The soham case really affected me, and poor April Jones in Wales Jesus they were two awfully grim ones. Another one and maybe not a crime but was of a farmer who carried his child into the sea with him and they both drowned in Kerry or Cork if I remember correctly.
I often wonder how the hell do people who serve duty duty on these grim cases ever return to normal, I don’t think I’d have the mental capacity to deal with the details and human tragedy.

Pelezico · 10-08-2020 9:05pm

paddydriver wrote: »

You should read the Paul Williams book on this.. it is very good. I cycle out thru Roundwood on a regular basis and always think of the Gard there who went back and lifted that stuff out of the mud... great policework!

I wonder if that was a one off by him.

screamer · 10-08-2020 9:09pm

omeara1113 wrote: »

It would be sarah payne for me remember it like it was yesterday

I remember being in England on holiday with family when she went missing. My Nan used to be like a hen on a riddle minding us, and would freak out if we left the garden. When this happened I understood why.

TheAnalyst_ · 10-08-2020 9:13pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr.

Tony EH · 10-08-2020 9:16pm

The Bulger case is an obvious one and has already been mentioned.

But one for me that I'll never forget was the case of Coleen Stan, who was kidnapped and kept as a sex slave, by a couple of weirdos in America, for 7 years. She was kept in a box under their bed, or else had a box over her head, so her sense were dulled. She was kept in her box for 23 hours a day for years and became so brainwashed by her tormentors that she eventually came to accept her "position". She was even allowed get a job, to phone her parents and on one occasion was allowed to visit them...and then she returned to her captors!

Man Vs ManUre · 10-08-2020 9:18pm

Haven’t seen a mention of the Jastine Valdez murder. Very recent but truly horrific and pointless. Whatever would have possessed that guy to do what he did that day?? Could he have done it before tho he was probably too young to have abducted the other missing women in Leinster. It seems like, not saying that he wasn’t an unsavoury character before that day, but seems it was o once-off crime. Did he intend to kill her or was it a case that he abducted a girl who fought back?? Even the reports of the abduction showed that he violently attacked her. The coroner report said there was coke in her system but I would think he was forcing her to take it. Do t mean to be insinsitive but did he rape her?? It didn’t say in the coroner report, maybe some things are held back for the family sake. In any case that poor girl probably never harmed anyone in her life, and to be taken like than by a monster who by doing so also ended his own life, and he had a few months old child at the time. Totally bizarre and tragic.

smelly sock · 10-08-2020 9:26pm

Sandy Hook I think. The images of the kids, not mich more than toddlers being shielded by their teachers is horrific. Then the numbers that where killed came out. Savage.

Spanish Eyes · 10-08-2020 9:26pm

Any females involved in such atrocities? Sometimes men have to acknowledge their anger towards women. It is usually man on woman or on kids.

Has to be said.

But no doubt someone will come up with a woman, yes they are out there for sure, but honestly it is usually men. Don't know why but it is a fact.

10-08-2020 9:28pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any females involved in such atrocities? Sometimes men have to acknowledge their anger towards women. It is usually man on woman or on kids.

Has to be said.

But no doubt someone will come up with a woman, yes they are out there for sure, but honestly it is usually men. Don't know why but it is a fact.

There was that woman,who killed her kids in dublin in jan (jesus that feelz a lifetime ago now,over covid)

freshpopcorn · 10-08-2020 9:28pm

Manuela Riedo the Swiss student in Galway was another one she was only in Ireland a few days and I really remember the picture of her.

smelly sock · 10-08-2020 9:30pm

Wayne O'Donoghue was the fella who killed little Robert Holohan and then joined the search. Knowing full well he had left hos body in a ditch to rot.

He has been out for years.

Wrong.

Spanish Eyes · 10-08-2020 9:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

There was that woman,who killed her kids in dublin in jan (jesus that feelz a lifetime ago now,over covid)

Not sure about what you are referring to, a link would be good.

In fairness, most of this stuff is caused by men. Remember the murder of an entire family in Cavan I think, by the husband. He was exhumed in the end and buried elsewhere. And the bloke who killed his two sons and drove away with them.

It is easy to forget all these things, and the common denominator is men, much as I wish it were otherwise.

smelly sock · 10-08-2020 9:36pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Not sure about what you are referring to, a link would be good.

In fairness, most of this stuff is caused by men. Remember the murder of an entire family in Cavan I think, by the husband. He was exhumed in the end and buried elsewhere. And the bloke who killed his two sons and drove away with them.

It is easy to forget all these things, and the common denominator is men, much as I wish it were otherwise.

I'd disagree. Usually when a man commits it he is labelled evil and twisted and rightly so. When a Woman does it though its because they are mentally ill or society has pushed them to it. When in fact they are as evil as the men.

Pelezico · 10-08-2020 9:36pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Not sure about what you are referring to, a link would be good.

In fairness, most of this stuff is caused by men. Remember the murder of an entire family in Cavan I think, by the husband. He was exhumed in the end and buried elsewhere. And the bloke who killed his two sons and drove away with them.

It is easy to forget all these things, and the common denominator is men, much as I wish it were otherwise.

That case has to go before a court yet guys.

10-08-2020 9:37pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Not sure about what you are referring to, a link would be good.

In fairness, most of this stuff is caused by men. Remember the murder of an entire family in Cavan I think, by the husband. He was exhumed in the end and buried elsewhere. And the bloke who killed his two sons and drove away with them.

It is easy to forget all these things, and the common denominator is men, much as I wish it were otherwise.

Literally a female robert hawe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-51302107

The fathers speech at the funeral,would shake even the hardest person

Crimes that have stayed with you for years

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