Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Don’t be ridiculous TMH, I’ve explained to you and others now numerous times the foundations of my concerns. Fundamentally, this is a child we’re talking about here who is being paraded in front of the worlds media and is now on a yacht crossing the Atlantic in order to appear at the UN. For an adult that would take its toll, but this is a child, and you think my concerns for her welfare are unfounded?

I suppose for some people “the message” really is more important than who carries it.

We get it, you are really, really concerned about her.

gozunda wrote: »

In that context could you define 'sustainability' for me - it's a term which seems to get bandied about a lot ....

In simple terms it means using the minimum amount of energy and resources which we need and using them in a manner which is conducive to the resources being optimised for as long as possible and where is possible, are replaced through natural means.

weldoninhio wrote: »

They're getting into rougher seas now. Wonder how long until they abort.

The wishful thinking is oozing out of this post.

Tell me how wrote: »

I think Greta's recent and ongoing experiences are largely going to have a positive effect on her.
I'm not discounting the risk on a yacht but risk exists in most walks of life.

I do also think that her development will be different to most children of her age but I do not think that that equates to mistreatment of her by her parents.

She has spoken at international and national organisations, she has (and is travelling the world) she will most likely have her choice of sponsored University places and she is talking on a subject which she is extremely passionate about.

Children her age are exposed to all sorts of risk.
Many 1st world children get cars for their 16th and are unleashed on the dangers of the roads.
Laura Dekker circumnavigated the world, solo, at 16, this isn't remotely comparable.

That’s a fair answer at least.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yes they do. She is being accompanied by experienced sailors. There is still a risk of course, but that's her and her parents choice.

I doubt it was her parents choice.

She has no one familiar with HER challenges.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Plenty of kids go on long or perilous sailing trips. Oh some in this thread are concerned? Aaahh I could have sworn they were annoyed and irritated by this girl's actions but are masking it with a faux concern

How many of them have had serious mental health issues and are were travelling in similar conditions?
How did they get on?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Plenty of kids go on long or perilous sailing trips. Oh some in this thread are concerned? Aaahh I could have sworn they were annoyed and irritated by this girl's actions but are masking it with a faux concern

You seem confused dohnjoe. These points do not have to be mutually exclusive.

I'm sure all kids who go sailing don't necessarily have aspergers and if they do or otherwise - you'd would want to be a fairly lax parent to deliberatly drag them along if you knew the trip to be perilous. Pointing that out does not make it 'faux concern' eitherway.

A racing boat for a minimum of 2 weeks with little or no privacy and few if any facilities would certainly be questionable. And again more hyperbole - holding an alternative opinion to yours does not make others 'annoyed' or 'irritated' (sic). Tbh such personalisation simply diminishes your argument. Would you like to try again?

Tell me how wrote: »

What are you trying to say?

She is 16 with Aspergers. Its a challenging time for parents as they decide how much independence to give their child or not.

I doubt they would have wanted this. But she is getting to an age where they feel they can't refuse.

She is still regularly self harming according to her mother and still has issues with eating and OCD. Not to mention emotional issues regarding the sense of being overwhelmed most people with aspergers feel when they are over stimulated.

Also children with Asperger tend to mature later than other children developmentally but not intellectually. Developmentally they continue until their late twenties usually.

An eleven year old with Asperger is intellectually like an eleven yr old but developmentally like a toddler. This delay can be significant; for example, a 21-year-old may seem socially and emotionally more like a 14-year-old.

Add to this her self harm ocd and eating disorder etc.

Is there someone on the boat who understands this and can be with her to support her needs? Maybe there is someone i don't know.

bubblypop wrote: »

This is a girl, who, got so depressed when she learnt about climate change that she started self harming, refused to eat & refused to talk.

Its not fair to put it like that.

She is different. That is just the way she is. She has a right to be in the world.

I think Greta's recent and ongoing experiences are largely going to have a positive effect on her.
I'm not discounting the risk on a yacht but risk exists in most walks of life.

I do also think that her development will be different to most children of her age but I do not think that that equates to mistreatment of her by her parents.

That's what we all hope.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I believe it's estimated there are around 1500+ private crossings of the Atlantic each year. She's not actually sailing the boat (many are), she's a passenger, with a professional crew, her highest risk is really discomfort as it's a racing boat, only has two beds and isn't exactly luxurious. In terms of sailing risk, it would be below average for that kind of crossing considering the crew.

Statistically racing yachts are not any safer (if anything they experience more mishaps). This is certainly not the preferred time of the year to be crossing the Atlantic - it being hurricane season.These boats are truely horrible to spend any extended time or to travel any distance in. The fact is that children with aspergers often require personal space and familiar surroundings to help them cope. Again maybe it is that she will handle handle the conditions - I personally rather not put a child to the test in order to attend a conference. It's not like she couldn't Skype or similar.

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

She is 16 with Aspergers. Its a challenging time for parents as they decide how much independence to give their child or not.

I doubt they would have wanted this. But she is getting to an age where they feel they can't refuse.

She is still regularly self harming according to her mother and still has issues with eating and OCD. Not to mention emotional issues regarding the sense of being overwhelmed most people with aspergers feel when they are over stimulated.

Also children with Asperger tend to mature later than other children developmentally but not intellectually. Developmentally they continue until their late twenties usually.

An eleven year old with Asperger is intellectually like an eleven yr old but developmentally like a toddler. This delay can be significant; for example, a 21-year-old may seem socially and emotionally more like a 14-year-old.

Add to this her self harm ocd and eating disorder etc.

Is there someone on the boat who understands this and can be with her to support her needs? Maybe there is someone i don't know.

Her father is on the boat.

The rest of your post is a series of baseless tabloid type statements trying to generalise and dramatise her condition with zero knowledge of the circumstance (or the science I'd wager).

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Not confused in the slightest. People generate a false concern to mask the fact that they are just pissed off and want to indulge in moaning about something. It's boards after all.

Of course you can't really write "Im sick of this climate change bull**** and this little attention seeker and her antics", so it has to be dressed up

We know the drill

Is that any different than your assertion that the child is the driving force behind this latest campaign?

Would it be any different than suggesting your false concerns for the environment are noted?

You as an adult can’t really write “people won’t do what I want”.

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Autism Aspergers boo hoo.

She is part of the super rich elite she might be on a boat without a crapper by I doubt she or her family are riding public transport or attending overcrowded public hospitals.

No she used the NHS extensively.

I like think she literally lived in NHS hospitals and institutions for most of her childhood.

Tell me how wrote: »

In simple terms it means using the minimum amount of energy and resources which we need and using them in a manner which is conducive to the resources being optimised for as long as possible and where is possible, are replaced through natural means.

Yeah unlike the wisecracker above (Not you btw) I know what the standard definition is.

What I asked was what it meant to you in relation to:

that the impact of climate change is one element of this conversation but a broader more relevant element is the discussion of sustainability.

So you state that sustainability relates to:

using the minimum amount of energy and resources which we need and using them in a manner which is conducive to the resources being optimised for as long as possible and where is possible, are replaced through natural means.

The issue that with a growing human population - there is a continuous and non sustainable demand on natural resources. If we are to provide housing, energy and food - all will require continued greenhouse gas emissions. We can off set and reduce some of this but by no means all. Unfortunatly this issue is not being discused. Construction for example results in huge emissions of Co2 whether houses are built of wood, concrete, metal etc . To keep global temperature rise below 2c it is estimated we need to reduce carbon emissions to zero. Practically this is not going to happen.

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Spot on.

Its what her mother wrote in her book and what her doctors said.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Not confused in the slightest. People generate a false concern to mask the fact that they are just pissed off and want to indulge in moaning about something. It's boards after all.Of course you can't really write "Im sick of this climate change bull**** and this little attention seeker and her antics", so it has to be dressed upWe know the drill

And so you say - but that is simply a fairly rubbish diatribe against opinion you don't agree with.

If you can't put your argument forward without name calling and jibes or discuss the same logically - you're out. That's how it is and no one will take you seriously.

Edit: Just checked - There is not one single occurrence of your quoted hyperbole "I'm sick of this climate bull****" anywhere on boards. Tbh I'm not surprised you are making that up.

Originally Posted by Dohnjoe View Post
Not confused in the slightest. People generate a false concern to mask the fact that they are just pissed off and want to indulge in moaning about something. It's boards after all.Of course you can't really write "Im sick of this climate change bull**** and this little attention seeker and her antics", so it has to be dressed upWe know the drill

If there is one thing you have to know about me its that if i have an unpopular opinion I will just say it and not care what anyone thinks.