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tudderone · 10-04-2021 12:58pm

Cass wrote: »

Priceless.

Anti white, blm co-founder who is a self described communist buys a $1.4 million house in a 90% white neighbourhood with only a 1.7% black population. blm took in over $90 million in donations last year and even her own have attacked her because as one said "i'm trying to buy cots for elderly people to keep them of the floor and you spend millions on a house, in a white neighbourhood".

Oh thats a well trodden path Cass. Once deputy leader of Liverpool city council, Derek Hatton, was so left wing that the labour party in the uk threw him out for his militant Trotskyist views. But now he is a property developer and very well off.

"Socialism for thee, but not for me".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-55214500

tudderone · 10-04-2021 1:01pm

Cass wrote: »

Seems the new trend is if you're under pressure or want to distract media attention from something you've done, or simply want to get your way, create a "security issue".

Complete loo-laa AOC, has gone very quiet in New York about the whole Biden border crisis between Mexico and the US. With all that raging, up pops something contentious, Biden and gun control :rolleyes:

Grizzly 45 · 10-04-2021 1:24pm

AOC has been rated the 230 of 240 of the most inefficient Congresspeople. So who are the other 10???:eek: There CANT be anyone dumber or more useless than this utter brain melt .
Seems any of her Squad are all wastes of utter space and tax payers money.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/03/aoc-was-one-of-least-effective-members-of-congress-study/

tudderone · 10-04-2021 3:35pm

Just a quick heads up to the carnivores on here. Lidl have an "Alpen fest" promotion on. Various German and Austrian sausage etc. I've tried the meatloaf and the beer sausages, and they are lovely, really nice.

https://www.lidl.ie/en/c/alpen-fest/c104/w1

Grizzly 45 · 10-04-2021 8:38pm

Guess I'm going shopping in Lidil next week then to stock up.:D

tudderone · 11-04-2021 2:13pm

Led Lenser Lantern for sale next thursday (15th), E20. Might be of use to someone ?

https://www.lidl.ie/en/p/perfect-picnic/lantern/p10372

Cass · 11-04-2021 9:01pm

Cass wrote: »

Priceless.

Anti white, blm co-founder who is a self described communist buys a $1.4 million house in a 90% white neighbourhood with only a 1.7% black population. blm took in over $90 million in donations last year and even her own have attacked her because as one said "i'm trying to buy cots for elderly people to keep them of the floor and you spend millions on a house, in a white neighbourhood".

Seems this was just the tip of the iceberg.

She has reportedly bought three other properties (through a corporation controlled by her) totaling almost an additional 2 million dollars (so four houses in total) and is said to considering a holiday home in the Bahamas with a starting price of $5 million.

Seems her "comrades" are not happy and are calling for an investigation into how monies raised are being spent.

Seems capatalism is not so bad as long as you put on a good front to the great unwashed.

Cass · 11-04-2021 9:05pm

You know things are not going well when the media that covered for you even calls you out on your lies.

Biden was flagged by WaPo, Politico and other media for lies he told regarding the Georgia election law reforms, gun control issues he is signing EOs for, the border crisis (which saw his "czar" resign), and having to restart building the border wall to plug the gaps.

Not to bad for a week.

tudderone · 12-04-2021 2:01pm

The greens make fools of themselves yet again.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9461617/Nicola-Sturgeon-pays-tribute-Prince-Philip-devoted-husband-powerful-woman.html

Grizzly 45 · 12-04-2021 3:09pm

tudderone wrote: »

The greens make fools of themselves yet again.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9461617/Nicola-Sturgeon-pays-tribute-Prince-Philip-devoted-husband-powerful-woman.html

Jeeezes was Harvie seperated at birth form our minister for health?
Look like twins the pair of them,and sound just as dumb!:rolleyes:

Rosahane · 12-04-2021 4:18pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Jeeezes was Harvie seperated at birth form our minister for health?
Look like twins the pair of them,and sound just as dumb!:rolleyes:

...with his 'woke' middle class socialist specs

Cass · 13-04-2021 1:12am

Only getting it through it a bit at a time, as its 35 pages, but you need to read this new SI.

Section 6 is a doozy. It creates a two tier society, one for vaccinated people and one for those not. It prohibits "events" at your home unless those attending live there or are vaccinated as well as attending other events outside your home.

Its funny how all the so called tin foil hat stuff that was utterly and immediately dismissed months ago is slowly starting to happen. Death by a thousand cuts.

Now i'm not against the use of caution in serious circumstances, but this is extracting the urine.

As for sporting events, well unless your a paid athlete or do to with horse racing/greyhounds forget enjoying your sport. Section 12 deals with that.

As said i have not read it all and there is so much to take in i'm just skimming for now, but this is one of three signed into law in the last 24 hours. Haven't gotten to the other two yet (SI 169 & 170).

Cass · 13-04-2021 1:21am

So SI169 is an order of amendment to the principle act and SI 170 is regarding the fines they'll impose including the €500 fine for the above matter of non vaccinated people being in your home.

Mellor · 13-04-2021 3:30am

Cass wrote: »

Its funny how all the so called tin foil hat stuff that was utterly and immediately dismissed months ago is slowly starting to happen. Death by a thousand cuts.

I don't think the idea that vaccinated people having reduced restrictions was ever fairly labeled as tin-foil hat stuff.
The question was how far it would be taken of course. Haven't read all the SI. so not sure how far they are taking it.

Section 6 is a doozy. It creates a two tier society, one for vaccinated people and one for those not. It prohibits "events" at your home unless those attending live there or are vaccinated as well as attending other events outside your home.

Section 6 only applies to areas under an affected area order . If there are clarity on how an affected area order will be defined or applied?

It's quite convoluted to read, so the below is my interpretation. Feel free to clarify as I'm not 100%.

6.
(1) A person shall not organise an event in a dwelling in an affected area
other than (2) or (3).

(2) A person may organise an event in a dwelling in an affected area where –
(a) the dwelling is the person’s place of residence, and
(b) persons attending are part of the same household or a paired household as the person organising the event.

(3) A vaccinated person may organise an event in a dwelling in an affected area where
(a) the dwelling is the vaccinated person’s place of residence, and
(b) the event is attended only by vaccinated persons, and
(c) persons who are part of no more than 2 households, including
the household of the person organising the event

So my take is that;
Not-Vaccinated: Can organised an event with your own and a paired household.
Vaccinated: Can organised an event with your own and 1 other household.

Cass · 13-04-2021 8:40am

Mellor wrote: »

I don't think the idea that vaccinated people having reduced restrictions was ever fairly labeled as tin-foil hat stuff.

There was never talk of vaccinated people having restricted anything, it was non vaccinated people being restricted.

The question was how far it would be taken of course. Haven't read all the SI. so not sure how far they are taking it.

Nor have i.

Section 6 only applies to areas under an affected area order. If there are clarity on how an affected area order will be defined or applied?

Its a looping description which as you pointed out is convoluted and not a bit clear.

It does not explain what a "relevant geographical location" is except to say it applies to a area that is affected. Is that a local lockdown, a "hotspot", or the entire country?

It's quite convoluted to read, so the below is my interpretation. Feel free to clarify as I'm not 100%.

I cannot clarify except to give my interpretation (excluding any mistake i've made due to the language used).

So my take is that;
Not-Vaccinated: Can organised an event with your own and a paired household.

Seems right.

Vaccinated: Can organised an event with your own and 1 other household.

Two households and only if all those attending are vaccinated.

New SI wrote:

(b) the event is attended only by vaccinated persons

As i said its a long SI and the language, as you said, is convoluted and confusing so there may be some things i'm interpreting wrong so i stand to be corrected by anyone with an understanding of the meaning of it.

However section 6 is only a small part. When i was skipping along it i noticed section 12 regarding sports. As mentioned above.

Any thoughts on it?

BattleCorp · 13-04-2021 9:44am

Cass wrote: »

It does not explain what a "relevant geographical location" is except to say it applies to a area that is affected. Is that a local lockdown, a "hotspot", or the entire country?

There's too much legislation for me to read through since then but back in April 2020 the entire State was considered an Affected Area.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si/120/made/en/print

This definition could have been updated since then as it's a year old at this stage.

otmmyboy2 · 13-04-2021 10:48am

BattleCorp wrote: »

There's too much legislation for me to read through since then but back in April 2020 the entire State was considered an Affected Area.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si/120/made/en/print

This definition could have been updated since then as it's a year old at this stage.

Spot on Battle.

Currently the entire state is still considered to be an affected area.
Similarly when the midlands counties were locked down first they were designated an affected area.

Honestly this segregation is utterly despicable.
In usual government divide and rule fashion they divide the populace again and let the 2 sides argue amongst themselves.

Nor does it deal with those who cannot get vaccinated for medical, religious, age, or other reasons.

It is a medical apartheid. :mad::mad::mad:

I only hope that like the 2 hotel quarantine cases that were won yesterday and costs ordered for the plaintiffs that similar will happen here.

tudderone · 13-04-2021 11:37am

Not to mention the usual cronyism that seems to be prevalent, members of boards, school teachers in private schools, td relations etc getting first dibs at the vaccines, in true irish fashion. I see there was riots and serious unrest in some european countries over this lockdown, especially from hospitality staff tired of the lack of work.

otmmyboy2 · 13-04-2021 12:30pm

tudderone wrote: »

Not to mention the usual cronyism that seems to be prevalent, members of boards, school teachers in private schools, td relations etc getting first dibs at the vaccines, in true irish fashion. I see there was riots and serious unrest in some european countries over this lockdown, especially from hospitality staff tired of the lack of work.

I think it was on Yes, Minister that Humphrey said something along the lines of "We will have as much unemployment as people are willing to pay for". Such a prescient show and especially relevant here given we inherited our civil service from the UK.

PUP has been a key part of that divide and rule playbook, where other countries have used stimulus packages, meaningfully cut VAT/sale tax, etc to assist everyone our gov went for paying off those they have most screwed over, to keep them quiet. And everyone else (cronies excluded obviously, especially Tifco hotel group) gets bugger all but the bill.

Even now with protests in towns and cities every weekend the media scarcely mentions them at all, usually when both the blue and black wearing thugs disrupt the otherwise peaceful protests.
I refer here to both gardai and the black bloc. :P

There is a serious lack of national unity in Ireland but I really fail to see how any regular person, regardless of political leaning, could be for a 2 tier society.

Grizzly 45 · 13-04-2021 12:38pm

Meantime in the rest of the World...The resistance is starting... In Canada..of all places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziWXH7T15zw&t=2s

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/enough-restaurant-owners-patrons-scream-government-mask-enforcers-get-lecture-masks/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily

otmmyboy2 · 13-04-2021 1:20pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Meantime in the rest of the World...The resistance is starting... In Canada..of all places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziWXH7T15zw&t=2s

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/enough-restaurant-owners-patrons-scream-government-mask-enforcers-get-lecture-masks/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily

Brilliant!
Surprising given the country's rep, but brilliant.

Saw a video of a pastor in Alberta kicking police out of her church too for disrupting the service.

Couple that with the cases ongoing against the Canadian hotel detention and they are sure giving a good go of it.

Grizzly 45 · 13-04-2021 1:55pm

Take it for what its's worth or whether you agree with her politics.But this is worth watching and following up on your level?

Feisar · 13-04-2021 2:03pm

otmmyboy2 wrote: »

There is a serious lack of national unity in Ireland but I really fail to see how any regular person, regardless of political leaning, could be for a 2 tier society.

I like to see myself as reasonable...

And I’d be happy enough if half the country was vaccinated that they’d be able to get out and about and get business back motoring again. IMHO it’s much more unfair to keep strangling business and people’s mental health when there is an option available.

Couple of caveats:

That lockdown is the correct option
Feckers who jumped the que should be shot with balls of their own shíte

On national unity, we seem to lack a sense of civic duty one sees in other countries. Even when we were piss poor and people would help their neighbours they’d still do their best to dodge the taxman. There is no big picture with us for some reason.

Cass · 13-04-2021 2:47pm

Feisar wrote: »

That lockdown is the correct option

At the start perhaps. After 14 months, no.

There is no big picture with us for some reason.

Not the only reason, but with Government constantly trying to turn neighbour against neighbour its not surprising.

Cass · 13-04-2021 3:02pm

Still trying to get my head around that SI.

Section 16 deals with data protection and GDPR. It seems to give AGS (as well as health workers) nominated person status for the purpose of collecting private data.

tudderone · 13-04-2021 3:03pm

Feisar wrote: »

That lockdown is the correct option
Feckers who jumped the que should be shot with balls of their own shíte

On national unity, we seem to lack a sense of civic duty one sees in other countries. Even when we were piss poor and people would help their neighbours they’d still do their best to dodge the taxman. There is no big picture with us for some reason.

The queue jumpers are the reason for the lack of civic unity. We all remember when the country was down to the canvas back in the 70's and 80's, and we still had a clique at the top looking after each other, private islands and yachts, tax dodging and fiddling, even more recently we had a minister for finance with no bank account.

So your average man in the street knows whats happening, and says, "If they can do it, so can i".

As the father said, "we got rid of John Bull and Paddy bull took over".

Cass · 13-04-2021 3:04pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

This definition could have been updated since then as it's a year old at this stage.

Second page:

Revocation
2. The Health Act 1947 (Section 31A - Temporary Restrictions) (Covid19) (No. 10) Regulations 2020 (S.I. No. 701 of 2020) are revoked.

Mellor · 13-04-2021 3:38pm

Cass wrote: »

There was never talk of vaccinated people having restricted anything, it was non vaccinated people being restricted.

I said vaccinated people having reduced restrictions. That’s accurate.

Is that a local lockdown, a "hotspot", or the entire country?

Based on other countries, that have been much more on the ball that Ireland. It should be various regions at various times.
ie the whole country, reducing to individual counties/hotspots. Yet to be seen if that will be the case.

Two households and only if all those attending are vaccinated.

Two including your own. So one other really.
And yes all need to be vaccinated. Otherwise the paid household only applies.

My thoughts on it are it’s very convoluted. Not just section 6. Sports also a bit unbalanced

tonysopprano · 13-04-2021 3:50pm

4) For the purposes of paragraph (3), a vaccinated person has reasonable
excuse for organising, or causing to be organised, an event to be held in a
dwelling in a relevant geographical location where -
(a) the dwelling is the vaccinated person’s place of residence,
(b) the event is attended only by vaccinated persons, and
(c) persons who are part of no more than 2 households, including
the household of the person organising the event, attend the
event.

Question: 2 Adults and 2 children living in a house. Only 1 adult vaccinated. Where do the children and other adult go if vaccinated person wants another vaccinated over for chat?. As this is a penal provision, staying in the house can get you sent to jail and if you leave the house you are in breach of the travel restrictions, also could get you sent to jail and even if you only go to the garden this could get you jailed.

Cass · 13-04-2021 4:00pm

Mellor wrote: »

I said vaccinated people having reduced restrictions. That’s accurate.

Never said i was referring to you. The original point was the "tin foil hat" talk which spoke of restriction to those that were non vaccinated. Thats accurate as was my previous statement.

Yet to be seen if that will be the case.

So far, not so.

My thoughts on it are it’s very convoluted. Not just section 6. Sports also a bit unbalanced

Same applies to retail and what is deemed essential.

Clothing stores are not listed, that I see, as being essential so not allowed to open but there is specific mention of children's footwear/shoe selling being permitted yet shoe shops are not opened/allowed to open because they serve more than children's footwear.

That brings me onto shops with clothing sections. Dunnes, Tescos, etc. have clothing sections and people are already in the store and mingling so what is the thinking behind not permitting clothing sections to be open or is it a case of stopping them so clothes only outlets won't want to open? Even if they did what is the danger as opposed to a food store in terms of numbers. All shops i've seen so far have "bouncers" on the door counting people inside at any one time and stopping more entering if numbers get too high.

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