Boating chit chat thread.

AndyBoBandy · 24-03-2021 4:49pm

Ended up down the YouTube rabbit hole and found this story, which I was unaware of;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VNo6a8OY9U

I remember once hearing about a U-Boat crew that were sunk (or scuttled) just off the Cork coast, and were all taken in by the local families as a sort of internment until the end of the war, some of which ended up staying and settling there when the war was over.
Also heard that a couple of babies were born down there who might have otherwise been called Fritz or Helmut.....

Mick Tator · 24-03-2021 7:18pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Ended up down the YouTube rabbit hole
I remember once hearing about a U-Boat crew that were sunk (or scuttled) just off the Cork coast, and were all taken in by the local families as a sort of internment until the end of the war, some of which ended up staying and settling there when the war was over.
Also heard that a couple of babies were born down there who might have otherwise been called Fritz or Helmut.....

I think that might be the same source as the one that maintains U-Boats were refuelled in 'out of the way' places on Irish coasts.

Mick Tator · 24-03-2021 7:20pm

neris wrote: »

Been subscribed to Berthons channel on YouTube for a while

Enjoy the tease! There is rarely anything below 100k on that brokerage.:)

neris · 24-03-2021 7:37pm

Mick Tator wrote: »

Enjoy the tease! There is rarely anything below 100k on that brokerage.:)

I know but its better viewing then the late late or prime time

Major Dad · 24-03-2021 9:15pm

One of my favourite things each month is when I get to the end of Seahorse magazine, and I find the Berthon ads, and I think to myself “So I’ve just won the euro millions Lottery - what would I choose?”. Sometimes I spoil myself and pick two - one for cruising and one for racing

rje66 · 24-03-2021 10:59pm

Major Dad wrote: »

ETNZ might be in a tricky spot right now. NZ govt have only committed $5m at the moment to keep the team together, which is peanuts really. I think they stumped up $40m for the AC36 cycle, and saw virtually no ROI due to Covid restricting tourism, virtually no super yachts going to Auckland etc. So there isn’t much appetite from the NZ govt to underwrite the team again. And ETNZ’s major sponsor (Emirates) is being badly affected by the reduction in global travel, so they’re not too keen to stump either. At the same time, the billionaire owners of other teams are flashing their cheque books at the key players on ETNZ. So Dalton is reputedly open to offers from other venues who could bid to hold the cup (as Bermuda did), and he uses the cash from selling the event to keep ETNZ together. Now imagine Jim Ratcliffe offers to fund both INEOS and ETNZ for a year, conditional on a Deed of Gift challenge in the Solent in 2022.

Is Matteo de Nora not involved in ETNZ as a financial backer???

Major Dad · 24-03-2021 11:14pm

He is indeed - he’s been a long-time backer for them and no doubt will contribute again for AC37. But he can only do so much. Ben Ainslie did an interview in the Torygraph today where he talked about the importance of nailing down key syndicate figures almost immediately, and Magnus Wheatley (of Rule69 blog fame) has been writing about the effective sailing “transfer window” that’s now open. So financial backing is needed right now to sign the key players.

Sofa King Great · 30-03-2021 10:31pm

S the latest announcement makes it unlikely that we will see any sort of racing back before the end of May...

I know DBSC were fairly bullish about getting going on the 26th April but that was probably optimistic

neris · 31-03-2021 8:07am

Looks like its going to be another wash out of a season.

Major Dad · 31-03-2021 2:34pm

A strict reading of the Level 1-5 rules suggests no competitive racing until we get back to Level 2, which is unlikely before end-June at the earliest. We could do “training events” but no official results can be calculated or kept. Disappointingly, it looks like Dun Laoghaire Week won’t be able to go ahead - I had that in the diary. I’m thinking now that the only significant event we might get to do this year will be the ICRA’s in Howth in early September.

Alkers · 31-03-2021 10:59pm

Major Dad wrote: »

A strict reading of the Level 1-5 rules suggests no competitive racing until we get back to Level 2, which is unlikely before end-June at the earliest. We could do “training events” but no official results can be calculated or kept. Disappointingly, it looks like Dun Laoghaire Week won’t be able to go ahead - I had that in the diary. I’m thinking now that the only significant event we might get to do this year will be the ICRA’s in Howth in early September.

Is there new guidance out or are you reading the old documents, I'm pretty sure they're out the window now?

Major Dad · 01-04-2021 1:13pm

I don’t honestly know if the old levels 1-5 pathway is out the window now. In fact, the only certain thing is that people don’t know anything. Afloat this morning had pieces from 4 clubs - Howth, Royal Cork and Kinsale all expressing disappointment that there was no clarity on the situation, and DBSC who optimistically said they were planning to start their Summer Racing Series in May. I hear the ISA are trying to include competitive racing under the “training” umbrella but not sure how successful that approach will be.

Major Dad · 01-04-2021 7:18pm

Here you go - statement from the ISA:
https://www.sailing.ie/News/id/3629/covid-19-restrictions-update-31-march-2021?ct=t%28Irish+Sailing+April+2018+Update_COPY_01%29&mc_cid=cbeae4b743&mc_eid=8d84914dbe

fryup · 07-04-2021 11:40am

i don't see many leisure boats for sale on donedeal these days

is there a more dedicated site? (irish pref)

i'm looking for something like this

HeidiHeidi · 07-04-2021 11:42am

https://www.apolloduck.ie/

AndyBoBandy · 07-04-2021 12:31pm

The Yacht Market

Filter for Ireland, and preferences (sail/power/size/price etc...)

95% of what's on Apollo Duck, but there's usually around 5% or so on one site and not the other.

Nice site to browse too.

neris · 07-04-2021 1:31pm

Theres very little for sale at the moment in ireland. The rare time Anything decent pops up its moving quickly. Brexits not helping either with import duties

fryup · 07-04-2021 4:44pm

neris wrote: »

Theres very little for sale at the moment in ireland.

covid? lockdown? no one's going boating?

neris · 07-04-2021 4:54pm

fryup wrote: »

covid? lockdown? no one's going boating?

Covid has pushed up demand but also people are holding on to boats because they want to use them or they cant get an upgrade because of travel restrictions on a boat from abroad. Even on the continent some boats arent hanging around once they for sale. I got an email from a broker in Holland on Friday on a new listing they had just put up and its already under offer

neris · 12-04-2021 10:37am

Came across a video on youtube over the weekend that was put out a few weeks ago and managed to grab a screen shot of this. Looking in a very sorry unloved state. Boats in Trondheim Norway which would more then likely make this Moonduster.

AndyBoBandy · 12-04-2021 11:02am

And there she shall remain as isn't the owner looking for mad money for her...... because he knows how famous she is on these shores....

They'd rather let her rot away and eventually be scrapped, than actually see her restored to her former glory....

neris · 12-04-2021 11:19am

she looks in a very bad state now compared to photos of her in a bad way a few years ago. big black patches of rot on the hull and at the hull/deck joint. rig looks wrecked to and paints come off it

AndyBoBandy · 12-04-2021 11:26am

I'm amazed she's still afloat.....

AndyBoBandy · 14-04-2021 1:09pm

My goodness the sea is looking particularly lovely today!!!!

I know it won’t be as nice at the weekend, but hope it’s just nice enough to get out on the water....

HeidiHeidi · 14-04-2021 1:11pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

My goodness the sea is looking particularly lovely today!!!!

I know it won’t be as nice at the weekend, but hope it’s just nice enough to get out on the water....

Oh stop

We sold our boat a couple of years ago and I've regretted it every single day since this ****show started

AndyBoBandy · 14-04-2021 1:20pm

Managed to get out on the water on 6 separate occasions last season!! combination of restrictions/shorter season, crap weather, and the family not being as enthusiastic as me!! Furthest we got was a day trip to Dun Laoghaire..

Really hoping to get out some more this year given a foreign or even an Irish holiday will most likely not happen, as we still don't know how much longer this is all going to drone on for... we spent a week on the Shannon last summer which was decent enough, but the weather was crap! (August bank holiday weekend, and supposedly the weather in Dublin was amazing all that week!!!).

I think the best we could maybe hope for would be an overnight here or there along the East Coast, but just need the weather to play its part!! Its no fun for the newbies if the weather is awful.

HeidiHeidi · 14-04-2021 1:27pm

Well. If you ever want company for a spin, in any weather at all, I'm available!!

(I'm saying that to literally anyone who even looks like they might mention a boat in conversation!)

AndyBoBandy · 14-04-2021 1:59pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Well. If you ever want company for a spin, in any weather at all, I'm available!!

(I'm saying that to literally anyone who even looks like they might mention a boat in conversation!)

If you've been vaccinated, and know someone, like a 'ahem' CEO of somewhere that could get me and mine vaccinated, then sure, all aboard!!!!!

neris · 15-04-2021 11:12am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I think the best we could maybe hope for would be an overnight here or there along the East Coast, but just need the weather to play its part!! Its no fun for the newbies if the weather is awful.

At least theres a few places on the East coast North & South of the border you can get to and tie up in a marina.

AndyBoBandy · 15-04-2021 11:43am

neris wrote: »

At least theres a few places on the East coast North & South of the border you can get to and tie up in a marina.

Thats it, You've got Arklow, Greystones, DL, and then up North, Carlingford and perhaps around to Ardglass

I really want to get back to Carlingford at some stage. We did it years ago on my dads boat, in a flotilla of about 15 boats from Poolbeg, and really want to do it again.. The scenery in the Lough is amazing.

I'd want to be timing it right though.. arriving at the entrance just after low water perhaps? to get the flood up the lough..

neris · 15-04-2021 11:54am

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Thats it, You've got Arklow, Greystones, DL, and then up North, Carlingford and perhaps around to Ardglass

I really want to get back to Carlingford at some stage. We did it years ago on my dads boat, in a flotilla of about 15 boats from Poolbeg, and really want to do it again.. The scenery in the Lough is amazing.

I'd want to be timing it right though.. arriving at the entrance just after low water perhaps? to get the flood up the lough..

Bangor up North to also hops along easy coast and onto dunmore and Waterford. Only problem in dunmore is its a pontoon and rafting

AndyBoBandy · 15-04-2021 12:00pm

If I was heading for Waterford, I'd probably want to stop in Kilmore Quay, and try and make Waterford from there.. tides being a big factor.

wouldn't be so much fun rafting with a 6yo!!
I'll happily pay the premium for the convenience of a marina..

fenris · 15-04-2021 2:37pm

The spin up the river to Waterford is a lovely sail, plenty of interesting stuff to see on the way, you definitely need to have your tides right though unless you like going backwards!
I was there a few years ago, just chatting to the chap on the boat behind me before I headed up the town for a bite to eat, we saw a chap sailing solo struggling a little bit current wise while arranging his lines (a few big last second go arounds), so we gave him a hand to get a line onto the pontoon, then move to where he wanted to go. He seemed a bit unsteady on his feet so, I initially though he had had a couple but it turned out that he was just knackered, he had sailed straight from near Falmouth in one hop, his autopilot had failed a couple of hours out and he had tried rigging something using bungees and his jib sheets that he dimly remembered reading about, but it wasn't enough, especially with the high traffic areas that he had to pass through, weather got a bit adverse and he was getting headed a lot, so he put the head down and went into complete zombie mode just getting through the next few minutes with no rest, I was making him some coffee and asked why he didn't just pop into Kilmore Quay get some rest and continue from there, he just looked at me blankly for a few seconds and told me in a slightly shocked voice that he was so tired and focused on getting here minute by minute that he completely forgot that Kilmore was there!
Just goes to show what fatigue can do even to an experienced sailor!

DOCARCH · 15-04-2021 2:37pm

There is a decent marina in New Ross too. Would love to sail up there someday.

There is a swing bridge at Cheekpoint to get through on the way, but apparently it will open for any vessel with some advance notice.

AndyBoBandy · 15-04-2021 3:16pm

DOCARCH wrote: »

There is a decent marina in New Ross too. Would love to sail up there someday.

There is a swing bridge at Cheekpoint to get through on the way, but apparently it will open for any vessel with some advance notice.

I saw that too, looks really nice, and if going all the way to Waterford, would be a worthy stop on the way up or down...

eOceanic really is a brilliant website for info on all the various harbours & anchorages around the country... and how to get to them...

Pictures paint a thousand words...

eoceanic_cheekpoint_with_kilmokea_power_station_and_the_barrow_bridge_opening_to_the_north.jpg

https://eoceanic.com/sailing/harbours/europe/ireland/wexford/16/new_ross_marina

fenris · 15-04-2021 3:37pm

The new ross bypass bridge looked fantastic when it was being built, there was a touch of the unfinished Death Star / post apocalyptic ruin about it with the exposed rebar and steelwork before the ends were connected!

You can't get into Cheekpoint anymore since the groynes were built to help keep the deep water channel, the mud had to go somewhere so the harbour is very silted up with the mud extending a good distance out from the harbour, so watching your depth outside of the channel and don't believe the chart.

Going around the north side of the island is also important as the ferry that operates on the south side is a cable ferry.

For Dunmore East a nice way of doing things with small people or non sailors is to book the Convent AirBnB (https://www.airbnb.ie/rooms/24152920), sail down, then you have the boat on the pontoon, can see it from the apartment, and can do easy day trips from there, easy walking distance for everything.

It is on my list to do again when we are left off our leashes!

AndyBoBandy · 16-04-2021 4:28pm

When I say ‘limped’ around to the hoist today, I mean literally limped at about half a knot!!!!! Wasn’t sure if I was even gonna make it out of the Marina heading into the wind/tide........

I don't think I've ever seen the prop that bad.... before launching last season I sort of polished it..... Next winter I'll be trialling some prop anti-fouling...

HeidiHeidi · 16-04-2021 5:15pm

:eek:

neris · 16-04-2021 10:12pm

Have had something similar after not using boat for most of summer with feck all anti foul on it. A power wash turned into a trip to the hardware and a 2 hour scrape

AndyBoBandy · 16-04-2021 11:09pm

In fairness, she scrubbed up well, and the anti-fouling looks to be holding well.... I put 2 1/2 coats on last May, but the boat's hardly been out since then..

neris · 16-04-2021 11:21pm

How do you find the wing keel?

Alkers · 16-04-2021 11:40pm

Have seen similar but not quite as bad, thought there was something seriously wrong till we got it out!

What anti foul could you put on?

Brush attachment on a drill made a right job of it

AndyBoBandy · 17-04-2021 11:14am

neris wrote: »

How do you find the wing keel?

Its great for us being in Malahide as it means our tidal window for getting in and out is bigger than that of a lot of the other boats there... my rule of thumb is within 2 hours either side of low tide is a no go... We once left 2 hours before low tide, and one of the day tripper ribs was on his way in as we were leaving, and he was even signalling us that it'd be too shallow to get out, but we made it!!! The echo sounder is calibrated for roughly 0 under the keel, and I've often had it down to 0 entering/leaving.... so cutting it fine..

As for sailing performance, I don't really have anything to compare it to as it's been so long since I sailed anything else, but she goes upwind surprisingly well, and she stays fairly stable.

I'm sure in a few years racing will be on the agenda, and a new set of sails, so that'll be the time to determine how goos she is (though I've heard the 285's don't rate that well...)

Alkers wrote: »

What anti foul could you put on?

Theres lots of different types of propellor anti-fouling available, Like the International Trilux 33, so I might give that a go, or something similar...

Next job is to wash the topsides & cockpit..... and pray for some good weather over the coming months....

fryup · 17-04-2021 4:11pm

are speedboat seats hard to come by? is there scrapyards for boats?

AndyBoBandy · 17-04-2021 6:01pm

fryup wrote: »

are speedboat seats hard to come by? is there scrapyards for boats?

There’s a Facebook for Irish boating bits for sale.. and you’d usually see seats of this nature for sale...

fryup · 18-04-2021 1:34pm

and how do you go about fixing seats to a speedboat?? its just an empty hull no fixing points

*i'm a novice at this

fergal.b · 18-04-2021 4:38pm

fryup wrote: »

and how do you go about fixing seats to a speedboat?? its just an empty hull no fixing points

*i'm a novice at this

Every boat is different, you might be better off starting off a post of your own with photos so we can see what we are dealing with also the make and model. We all started out as a novice so don't worry about asking any questions.

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fryup · 19-04-2021 8:11am

its a global sceptre boat, similar to this (14ft)

here's a pic of the hull

fergal.b · 19-04-2021 10:14am

fryup wrote: »

its a global sceptre boat, similar to this (14ft)

here's a pic of the hull

Looking at the holes in the carpet you can see where the seats where bolted down, these holes usually line up with stringers under the floor " stringers are timbers running the length of the hull to stiffen it up they also support the floor" it might be worth your while taking up the carpet and having a look as the carpet tends to hold moister and can rot the floor and stringers over the years. If it's just a fibreglass floor you might have metal or wood mounting points built into the floor again best to lift the carpet and have a look.

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fryup · 19-04-2021 10:49am

so the replacement seats that i purchase have to measure up with these stringers?

*its interesting what you say about rot & moisture - the seller say's the front seats were stolen should i take that with a pinch of salt?

btw - just to add i haven't seen the boat in person, just going by online description & pics

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