All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2020

PTH2009 · 26-06-2020 6:20pm #1

Knock-out Hurling Championships Leinster & Munster
1 x Provincial Quarter Final, 2 x Semi Finals, Provincial Finals (Draw specifics to be confirmed by the Provinces)

Qualifiers:
RD1 DRAW
6 teams that do not make the Provincial Finals placed in a draw
First 4 teams drawn meet in Rd1; These to include BOTH defeated Provincial Quarter finalists.
Bowl 1 – Leinster Teams – Bowl 2 Munster Teams

2 Leinster Teams vs 2 Munster Teams (1 Leinster & 1 Munster receive bye to Rd 2)

RD2 DRAW
2 Bye Teams vs Rd 1 winners

2 fixtures drawn – subject to avoidance of repeat pairings where possible

ALL-IRELAND QUARTER-FINALS
Bowl 1 – Beaten Provincial Finalists vs Rd 2 Winners

2 fixtures drawn – subject to avoidance of repeat pairings where possible

ALL-IRELAND SEMI-FINALS – Subject to beaten provincial finalists not meeting the Provincial Champions from their province; and also subject to avoidance of repeat pairings where possible

All-Ireland Final- Sun 13th Dec

PTH2009 · 26-06-2020 6:40pm

Leinster QF- Laois vs Dublin
semi finals
Galway vs Wexford
Laois/Dublin vs Kilkenny

PTH2009 · 26-06-2020 6:51pm

Munster QF- Limerick vs Clare
Semi finals
Cork vs Waterford
Tipperary vs Limerick/Clare

Billy Ocean · 26-06-2020 9:51pm

Going into conspiracy theory territory here but wouldn't rule out the draw been fixed for clare and Limerick to meet to sort out the league.

PTH2009 · 26-06-2020 9:57pm

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Going into conspiracy theory territory here but wouldn't rule out the draw been fixed for clare and Limerick to meet to sort out the league.

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/310983

Its going to be a league decider too

Billy Ocean · 26-06-2020 10:09pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/310983

Its going to be a league decider too

Thats what i mean

PTH2009 · 12-09-2020 7:13pm

kilkenny will be very strong i think

Billy Ocean · 13-09-2020 1:40am

PTH2009 wrote: »

kilkenny will be very strong i think

probably the most unpredictable championship given the year that's in it, I'm delighted its going ahead, great for the morale of the country, club action from what i seen hasn't suffered standard wise from no crowds so a behind closed doors scenario would obviously be not ideal but wouldn't be a disaster as such...

raindodger · 13-09-2020 9:48am

what i have seen of the club games give kilkenny the cup

New Era · 13-09-2020 10:39am

raindodger wrote: »

what i have seen of the club games give kilkenny the cup

I think that the hard graft of winter hurling give the cats a better chance of claiming Liam McCarthy come the middle of December. Their style of play is simply not suited to summer hurling. Direct hurling is a far more better tactic in the hard slog of saturated grounds, then playing a short game, going through the lines and all that.

However the one team that will be negatively impacted by a winter hurling championship is my own county, Clare. We always seem to get bullied by the more physically imposing teams and while we always had the skill and the quality hurlers, that is of no good if we can't man up. Waterford for example have given the Banner county plenty over the years and have more often than not come out on top. Hopefully Brian Lohan will offer something different to Clare and the signs in the early part of the year, pre lockdown were encouraging.

It is a very competitive championship that awaits us. To me with the exception of Laois, all other teams have enough in them to contend for provincial and All Ireland glory in this much truncated championship. As we get closer to the start of championship 2020 the anticipation and excitement only grows. It been a very difficult and long year, full of emotion and anxiety. But with the gaa returning brings hope and we can dare to dream again. Let the games begin.

crossman47 · 13-09-2020 10:46am

New Era wrote: »

I think that the hard graft of winter hurling give the cats a better chance of claiming Liam McCarthy come the middle of December. Their style of play is simply not suited to summer hurling. Direct hurling is a far more better tactic in the hard slog of saturated grounds, then playing a short game, going through the lines and all that.

However the one team that will be negatively impacted by a winter hurling championship is my own county, Clare.

I think it won't suit Cork either. They had little chance anyway but winter conditions will tell against them.

crossman47 · 13-09-2020 10:48am

raindodger wrote: »

what i have seen of the club games give kilkenny the cup

Perhaps but they may need refs like the one in Dicksboro game yesterday. He ignored most fouls. They use a different rule book there. It makes for enjoyable viewing but..?

lim4ev · 13-09-2020 1:47pm

There's no doubt the kk championship is top notch way above all else from what I see. Re the all Ireland hard to say I think it'll suit the bigger physical teams ie kk Tipp limerick mainly but anyone can win it limerick have their share of injuries though

raindodger · 14-09-2020 11:15pm

brian codys hardest job will be convincing everyone that they are underdogs

Billy Ocean · 14-09-2020 11:37pm

raindodger wrote: »

brian codys hardest job will be convincing everyone that they are underdogs

the standard bearer of saying alot but saying nothing will be well able for it.

Billy Ocean · 14-09-2020 11:51pm

Think with the contensed nature of this year's championship has put a bit extra importance on earlier encounters as the going through the front has rarely been as beneficial, the round robin of 2018 and 19 showed the difficulty of playing 3 or 4 weekends in a row.

PTH2009 · 15-09-2020 2:03am

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Think with the contensed nature of this year's championship has put a bit extra importance on earlier encounters as the going through the front has rarely been as beneficial, the round robin of 2018 and 19 showed the difficulty of playing 3 or 4 weekends in a row.

dont need to tell us that in Waterford

since the round robin format came in it has been a disaster for us and we just cant get used to it between the ghost goal in 2018 and us imploding in 2019

Hopefully for this year we can grasp at the chance and shine. Means very little but last knockout AI we got to the AI final and the 2 years previous got to AI semi finals.

threeball · 15-09-2020 9:17am

Should suit KK, Limerick and Galway as the most physical teams out there. Galway depends on whether they got their house in order since the league. The management have got a right good look at whats available to them by now anyway.
Limerick and KK club hurling has been very good the few games I've seen. Thought the standard in wexford was terrible. Won by attrition more than anything.

15-09-2020 9:18am

The condensed format has added extra value to winning a provincial final - provincial champions will now only be facing a 2 week wait for the All-Ireland semi final, and they will be meeting a team playing for a third or fourth weekend in a row. Many teams struggled when playing for the third successive weekend in the round robin in the last two years.

It will be a huge ask for one of the four teams drawn in round one of the qualifiers to make an All-Ireland final as they are faced with having to win on four successive weekends. The two teams who receive a bye into round two will need to win on three successive weekends.

Losing provincial finalists will have to win on the following two weekends.

Going the direct route has never been more rewarding. A two week wait in between the provincial semi final and final, and a two week wait to the AI semi final if victorious. Huge pressure on any team knocked out of the provinces.

15-09-2020 9:43am

PTH2009 wrote: »

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dont need to tell us that in Waterford

since the round robin format came in it has been a disaster for us and we just cant get used to it between the ghost goal in 2018 and us imploding in 2019

Hopefully for this year we can grasp at the chance and shine. Means very little but last knockout AI we got to the AI final and the 2 years previous got to AI semi finals.

Waterford are my dark horses. 2019 was a write off, Fanning never struck me as a man who could build a harmonious environment that players would enjoy being a part of, I think he was out of his depth at this level. There is no way Waterford just lie down and take the hammerings they took from Tipp and Limerick if all is okay in the camp.

2018 was ridiculous, the amount of injuries at the one time was incredibly bad luck, and then there was an umpire who wanted his 15 minutes of fame, smugly smirking as he walked off the pitch. Had Waterford emerged with the victory they deserved; Tipp would have been knocked out that day and Waterford would have gone into the final round in a scenario whereby a victory would have sent them through in 3rd place at Cork's expense.

The last two years weren't a true reflection of where Waterford actually are and have actually aided Waterford to come in under the radar, there's a better panel in Waterford than in Wexford in my opinion whom many are picking as a decent outside shot at the title this year. With the right man in charge - fingers crossed Cahill is that man - Waterford will be back in the mix again for certain.

PTH2009 · 25-09-2020 4:39pm

The qualifier format is a bit all over the place

The losers of 2 prov QFs Laois vs Dublin and Clare vs Limerick could actually be drawn as byes and straight into Round 2 of the qualifiers while the 4 provincial semi finalists battle it out in Round 1 (only a week after the prov semi finals)

All Ireland Qualifiers Round 1 (Weekend of 7/8 Nov)- 2x Munster teams vs 2x Leinster teams
Contains the 6 teams that didn't make it too the Munster and Leinster finals. Teams divided into 3 Munster and 3 Leinster, A draw will be made to give 2 byes to Round 2 (1 team from each province AFAIK).

All Ireland Qualifiers Round 2 (weekend of 14th/15th Nov)- 2x winners of Round 1 vs 2x bye teams

All Ireland QFs (Weekend of 21st/22nd Nov)-2x Provincial Runners up vs 2x winners from Round 2

PTH2009 · 15-10-2020 3:04pm

Amusing the championship happens

The Leinster teams have a small advantage as all the Leinster championship games will be played in Croke Park

PTH2009 · 24-10-2020 3:53pm

so here we are, the Liam Mccarthy Championship kicking off tonight in Croke Park with Dublin vs Laois in the Leinster QF

tipp_tipp_tipp · 24-10-2020 5:33pm

Strangest build up to a championship alright but great to have a game to watch tonight. Hope Laois give a good account of themselves tonight.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 24-10-2020 6:44pm

So HT and Dublin looking very comfortable. Laois struggling to get any decent ball into the forwards and are living off scraps in midfield. Hard to see them rattling off a few scores in succession to get back into it. Impressed with Dublin's short passing. They've been very good at finding a free man.

PTH2009 · 24-10-2020 6:56pm

Laois a bit of a flash in the pan, no doubt the team to get in the Qualifiers. Still a bit of time to go but Dublin look like they can up gears if needed. Kilkenny will be too good for them i think but crazier things have happened

Quite like the yellow sliotar, been interesting to see what its like in the daytime and not under lights

Odyssey 2005 · 24-10-2020 7:00pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

so here we are, the Liam Mccarthy Championship kicking off tonight in Croke Park with Dublin vs Laois in the Leinster QF

Pure shyte that this is being played in croke park

threeball · 24-10-2020 7:03pm

Really really poor quality hurling. The control and touch on both sides is all over the place. Not to mention lumping hit and hope ball forward. KK, Galway and Wexford would tear the pick of them a new one.

threeball · 24-10-2020 7:05pm

Not seeing the benefit to the TV viewer of the yellow sliothar either. Better when its on the grass alright but worse than the white when its in the air imo.

benji79 · 24-10-2020 7:33pm

threeball wrote: »

Not seeing the benefit to the TV viewer of the yellow sliothar either. Better when its on the grass alright but worse than the white when its in the air imo.

Empty stadium doesn’t help, loads of shadows or something

threeball · 24-10-2020 7:48pm

benji79 wrote: »

Empty stadium doesn’t help, loads of shadows or something

They'll have to get one of those balls you see kids with, you give it a smack and all the multicoloured lights start flashing.

TCM · 24-10-2020 7:50pm

PTH2009 wrote:

Laois a bit of a flash in the pan, no doubt the team to get in the Qualifiers. Still a bit of time to go but Dublin look like they can up gears if needed. Kilkenny will be too good for them i think but crazier things have happened

Kilkenny will give Dublin a hammering.

Davys Fits · 24-10-2020 7:53pm

I would have no issue with the yellow ball. But the quality of the sky picture was poor. What were Laois playing at leaving players unmarked all over the Centre of the field then swarming the player when they gained possession?

threeball · 24-10-2020 8:03pm

Davys Fits wrote: »

I would have no issue with the yellow ball. But the quality of the sky picture was poor. What were Laois playing at leaving players unmarked all over the Centre of the field then swarming the player when they gained possession?

Aimless long ball stuff as well. The fact that they could play like that and miss that many frees and still were in the game with 10 mins to go shows how poor Dublin were. No Dublin player will be hitting 1-16 against KK thats for sure. A nice warm up for the final while galway and wexford knock the sh1t out of one another.

Davys Fits · 24-10-2020 8:13pm

TBF I thought Dublin looked impressive at times and look to be slowly building a team. They have shook off a few players that were simply not up to top flight hurling standard. KK will have too much for them though I expect.

corny · 24-10-2020 8:35pm

Davys Fits wrote: »

TBF I thought Dublin looked impressive at times and look to be slowly building a team. They have shook off a few players that were simply not up to top flight hurling standard. KK will have too much for them though I expect.

Yeah bit of a new look team. Previously the team was built around the lads who came off the bench (Rushe, Barrett, Schutte, Dillon).

Dublin will be competeitive, they usually are against all in Leinster. The enduring problem for them is being in front at the final whistle.

threeball · 24-10-2020 9:00pm

Davys Fits wrote: »

TBF I thought Dublin looked impressive at times and look to be slowly building a team. They have shook off a few players that were simply not up to top flight hurling standard. KK will have too much for them though I expect.

You have to take into account how poor Laois were. I wouldnt look at the scores etc. I prefer to focus on first touch, accuracy, cohesion. Things you wont put right in a week and in all areas they were like a middling club team. Rushe can't have gone back so much that he's not on the first 15.

PTH2009 · 24-10-2020 11:03pm

You have to wonder will Eddie call it quits with Laois at the end of the season

Billy Ocean · 25-10-2020 12:13am

Wouldn't write off Dublin against Kilkenny next week, yes they'll be underdogs but none of Wexford, Kilkenny or Galway have blown them away in a round robin game in 2018 or 19, Eoghan O'Donnell at full back well capable of curtailing Fennellys catch take 15 steps while barging routine, would worry about the lack of a marquee forward crummey is far more comfortable in the backs in my view, Burke was very good tonight but marking possibly joey holden is a different story.

Davys Fits · 25-10-2020 11:46am

threeball wrote: »

You have to take into account how poor Laois were. I wouldnt look at the scores etc. I prefer to focus on first touch, accuracy, cohesion. Things you wont put right in a week and in all areas they were like a middling club team. Rushe can't have gone back so much that he's not on the first 15.

Yes Laois were poor but Ive seen Dublin in recent years to play terrible against poor teams, that was not the case in this match but they did let Loais back into the game by fouling and some poor shooting in the third quarter. Agreed on thing Dublin will need to improve on is speed of their hurling and first touch is part of that. KK will give them little time as we know. 7 days will tell a lot.

25-10-2020 11:48am

Will Gregory Kennedy be brought in to make an un sporting intervention like he did in Nowlan park 2019, liam Rushe catching trying to walk a ball into the back of the net.

Billy Ocean · 25-10-2020 12:10pm

Fred Daly wrote: »

Will Gregory Kennedy be brought in to make an un sporting intervention like he did in Nowlan park 2019, liam Rushe catching trying to walk a ball into the back of the net.

would have to agree with ya on the rushe observation he's fond of grapping a face guard too but the Fennelly point is also very much valid.

Mad about baa baas · 25-10-2020 3:08pm

Billy Ocean wrote: »

would have to agree with ya on the rushe observation he's fond of grapping a face guard too but the Fennelly point is also very much valid.

In Fennellys defense he often brings the hurl up and gives quick tap which technically is a touch breaking up the steps.. his hurling in general has improve considerably since Henry took over Ballyhale .apparently he focused on skills work and improved his touch.. Rushe is much more of a one trick pony in my opinion.. to be fair most good inter county forwards cant count steps.. if you're unlikely to be pulled up on it why behave I suppose

Mantis Toboggan · 25-10-2020 3:21pm

Hard to see anything other than a convincing limerick win.

Hawkeye9212 · 25-10-2020 3:55pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

You have to wonder will Eddie call it quits with Laois at the end of the season

I think he's taken them as far as he can. Laois don't have the depth and structures necessary to compete against LM teams. Same for Westmeath and Carlow. Antrim could kick on. The Belfast clubs have the population and the Gaelfast project has been successful so far.

Mantis Toboggan · 25-10-2020 5:26pm

Players look sluggish enough and there's alot of bad tackling going on, high tackles and spare hand tackles. Tony Kelly on fire, apart from that limerick look the much better team.

tipp_tipp_tipp · 25-10-2020 5:27pm

Very weird watching a munster match with no crowd. Awful lot of fouls, frustrating viewing. Match last night was the same. Becoming a major problem in the game imo. At least it's close. Great score at the end there to level it. Clare better than expected (or maybe limerick just haven't hit top gear yet).

Boom__Boom · 25-10-2020 5:42pm

tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »

Very weird watching a munster match with no crowd. Awful lot of fouls, frustrating viewing. Match last night was the same. Becoming a major problem in the game imo. At least it's close. Great score at the end there to level it. Clare better than expected (or maybe limerick just haven't hit top gear yet).

Until they bring in harsher penalties for teams constantly fouling, teams are going to keep doing it.

This article from the examiner below is failing damming in terms of showing that fouling pays in hurling.

in 85% of the games that produced a winner (22 from 26), the team which prevailed conceded more frees.

There's a wealth of data at the blog post about the whole hurling championship.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40069547.html

tipp_tipp_tipp · 25-10-2020 5:50pm

Boom__Boom wrote: »

Until they bring in harsher penalties for teams constantly fouling, teams are going to keep doing it.

This article from the examiner below is failing damming in terms of showing that fouling pays in hurling.

There's a wealth of data at the blog post about the whole hurling championship.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40069547.html

Interesting. Thanks for that link.

I note there hasn't been a single goal chance in this game. Any time a forward gets possession in a decent area he's fouled.

Edit: As soon as i posted that clare get a goal

Mantis Toboggan · 25-10-2020 5:57pm

What's the point of the water break?

benji79 · 25-10-2020 6:00pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

What's the point of the water break?

To have a drink obviously

All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship (Liam Mccarthy Cup) 2020

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