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LionelNashe · 17-12-2012 1:07am

part time punk wrote: »

....And why give Darren the 10k he owed with a hit on him at the same time.

Good point. Maybe it was so that Darren would not have his guard up, and then Aido and Elmo were to take the 10k from the body as payment for the job.

dastardly00 · 17-12-2012 1:07am

part time punk wrote: »

When he was with the IRA man being 'questioned' why didn't Nidge blame Tommy for the pipebomb, Dano's dad being killed etc? Darren did do the final blow it was really Tommy who'd done the damage anyway. Most of all though he's in a coma anyway so not much they can do to him. And why give Darren the 10k he owed with a hit on him at the same time.

Nidge's guilty conscience is the answer.

17-12-2012 1:08am

part time punk wrote: »

When he was with the IRA man being 'questioned' why didn't Nidge blame Tommy for the pipebomb, Dano's dad being killed etc? Darren did do the final blow it was really Tommy who'd done the damage anyway. Most of all though he's in a coma anyway so not much they can do to him. And why give Darren the 10k he owed with a hit on him at the same time.

He foolishly though Aido and Elmo could carry out the clipping and then take the money off him. He got some fright when he seen Dazzlers name popping up on the phone

Oscorp · 17-12-2012 1:08am

And why give Darren the 10k he owed with a hit on him at the same time.

That money was given to Darren, but was probably meant for Aido and Elmo to take from his body once they whacked him.

Also, giving the money to Darren rebuilt some of the trust and kinship lost between the two in previous episodes and in Nidge's eyes made Darren more likely to get in the car with Aido.

DL Saint · 17-12-2012 1:11am

part time punk wrote: »

When he was with the IRA man being 'questioned' why didn't Nidge blame Tommy for the pipebomb, Dano's dad being killed etc? Darren did do the final blow it was really Tommy who'd done the damage anyway. Most of all though he's in a coma anyway so not much they can do to him. And why give Darren the 10k he owed with a hit on him at the same time.

I reckon to lull him into a false sense of security and trust as to not arouse suspicion...

kinkygirl · 17-12-2012 1:12am

Godot. wrote: »

He has the haircut of a total knacker.

Have you looked into those eyes? C'mon.

And, for those of you who didn't see Darren as a hard boy, that was his best trait. He could be so full of charm and had those teddy bear eyes that could melt a stone, yet belied everything he was.

We'll miss ya' Dazzler.

seamus · 17-12-2012 1:12am

Oscorp wrote: »

Also, giving the money to Darren rebuilt some of the trust and kinship lost between the two in previous episodes and in Nidge's eyes made Darren more likely to get in the car with Aido.

I think this is it. "I'm gonna screw you out your money but here's your getaway driver" would sound a bit suss

AG2R · 17-12-2012 1:16am

Nobody else cop on that Darren was getting shot when Nidge handed him the money? His reaction to Darren saying thought you were going to stiff me gave it away tbh

17-12-2012 1:16am

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

Yep Tommy to make a serious comeback. He won't be right in the head either.

Hadn't thought about that...a changed Tommy, as dumb as he was yet as aggressive as Dano. He is probably suffering memory loss but regains it the vital moment Nidge needs him....

17-12-2012 1:17am

Sound Bite wrote: »

Good ending but they just decimated their female audience.

that generalisation is borderline insulting.

Utopia Parkway · 17-12-2012 1:18am

AG2R wrote: »

Nobody else cop on that Darren was getting shot when Nidge handed him the money? His reaction to Darren saying thought you were going to stiff me gave it away tbh

Sure we knew before that didn't we?

Oscorp · 17-12-2012 1:19am

Exclusive! Picture of Nidge's new blundering hitman Elmo from the set of season 4

8mv · 17-12-2012 1:20am

Great ending to a great season. You can pick holes in the plot and continuity but who's bothered? Sorry to see Robert Sheehan bow out, but it looks like Hollywood calls. He has a part in something called The Mortal Instruments that seems to be part one of a series of films along with other movie work. I thought Darren was a good character and like an earlier post, I expected a Michael Corleone or I, Claudius plot line. Well done Octogon and Stuart Carrolan.

Gadgetman496 · 17-12-2012 1:20am

I think it would have been great if when Nige was just about to finger gits killer to the ra man in the room in Dundalk, Darren walked in.

Predalien · 17-12-2012 1:25am

I think he gave him the money cos he half hoped he would get away. Pointless picking out possible plot holes in shows like this though, to be entertaining they have to take liberties.

Oscorp · 17-12-2012 1:29am

Did the chances of Fran The Man finding out about Nidge's affair with Linda MK I die with Darren, or does anyone else know?

Predalien · 17-12-2012 1:32am

Oscorp wrote: »

Did the chances of Fran The Man finding out about Nidge's affair with Linda MK I die with Darren, or does anyone else know?

Tommy knows as well I think.

AG2R · 17-12-2012 1:32am

Predalien wrote: »

I think he gave him the money cos he half hoped he would get away. Pointless picking out possible plot holes in shows like this though, to be entertaining they have to take liberties.

This, his reaction when he was on the phone after being shot made this seem true

17-12-2012 1:33am

Oscorp wrote: »

Did the chances of Fran The Man finding out about Nidge's affair with Linda MK I die with Darren, or does anyone else know?

I think Fran might know somehow but is biding his time

Either way Nidge is fúcked next series

kinkygirl · 17-12-2012 1:37am

8mv wrote: »

Great ending to a great season. You can pick holes in the plot and continuity but who's bothered? Sorry to see Robert Sheehan bow out, but it looks like Hollywood calls. He has a part in something called The Mortal Instruments that seems to be part one of a series of films along with other movie work. I thought Darren was a good character and like an earlier post, I expected a Michael Corleone or I, Claudius plot line. Well done Octogon and Stuart Carrolan.

+ 100

It is the best thing RTE have done in years, it's kept us on the edge of our seats week after week and had an excellent season ending. And for those of you who wish to find silly faults with the show...try Fair City! :pac:

dcmm · 17-12-2012 1:40am

Am I really losing it? ,all along I thought Lizzie was in love with Darren? Why did she have his photo on her phone and gaze at it longingly .....Even if he accidentally killed her brother, she would surely have asked him was it true,and her psyco ra psyche might have let him live 'cos she loved him? She's a
mentaller anyway with her dysfunctional family background but seemed to
have a loopy soft spot for Darren.
Or maybe I'm on the wrong road altogether

Godot. · 17-12-2012 1:46am

dcmm wrote: »

Am I really losing it? ,all along I thought Lizzie was in love with Darren? Why did she have his photo on her phone and gaze at it longingly .....Even if he accidentally killed her brother, she would surely have asked him was it true,and her psyco ra psyche might have let him live 'cos she loved him? She's a
mentaller anyway with her dysfunctional family background but seemed to
have a loopy soft spot for Darren.
Or maybe I'm on the wrong road altogether

Maybe in the next series we will find out Darren told her and she reluctantly accepted because she said she loved him, but Darren rejected her as she's a munter, hence she killed him because he broke her heart?

Cora Mahoney · 17-12-2012 1:47am

dcmm wrote: »

Am I really losing it? ,all along I thought Lizzie was in love with Darren? Why did she have his photo on her phone and gaze at it longingly .....Even if he accidentally killed her brother, she would surely have asked him was it true,and her psyco ra psyche might have let him live 'cos she loved him? She's a
mentaller anyway with her dysfunctional family background but seemed to
have a loopy soft spot for Darren.
Or maybe I'm on the wrong road altogether

Darren didn't really have time to tell her, but I kept hoping he would. I hoped something might even develop romantically for them.

The ending was like a trip....keep me just dazed for a good few minutes after.

Is Love/Hate really the same show without Darren? For me, maybe not. But I am still looking forward to seeing Darren's funeral, and get a good look at who attends it, in Season 4.

17-12-2012 1:54am

dcmm wrote: »

Am I really losing it? ,all along I thought Lizzie was in love with Darren? Why did she have his photo on her phone and gaze at it longingly .....Even if he accidentally killed her brother, she would surely have asked him was it true,and her psyco ra psyche might have let him live 'cos she loved him? She's a
mentaller anyway with her dysfunctional family background but seemed to
have a loopy soft spot for Darren.
Or maybe I'm on the wrong road altogether

To paraphrase Morgan Freeman's Shawshank character, "Id like to tell you that Dazzler fought the good fight....but gangland aint no fairytale!"

Word obviously got back to Lizzy from Dano that Darren killed her brother. Two brothers dead in the week and given the fact Dazzler was showing so much sympathy and after Ray having the decency to give him heads up he killed her other brother. Would drive anyone over the edge let alone a girl who has an unhealthy obsession with the lad who killed her brother

Next series will probably see Lizzie be the conscientious sort visiting Mary to sympathise with her for her loss

Godot. · 17-12-2012 2:00am

The more I think about it, the more I'm sure Tommy won't have a brain injury. With Mary to come back, Dano's wife, and the prostitute as loose ends to tie up there's just to much potential to throw away.

Cora Mahoney · 17-12-2012 2:04am

Deleted User wrote: »

To paraphrase Morgan Freeman's Shawshank character, "Id like to tell you that Dazzler fought the good fight....but gangland aint no fairytale!"

Word obviously got back to Lizzy from Dano that Darren killed her brother. Two brothers dead in the week and given the fact Dazzler was showing so much sympathy and after Ray having the decency to give him heads up he killed her other brother. Would drive anyone over the edge let alone a girl who has an unhealthy obsession with the lad who killed her brother

Next series will probably see Lizzie be the conscientious sort visiting Mary to sympathise with her for her loss

I disagree. In fact, I think we may see the rise of some tough women next season, characters like Darren's sister Mary possibly returning via his funeral, Lizzie now transformed into a real 'hard woman' , a stone cold killer now with nothing to lose. Curious too how Siobhan is going to take it when she hears of Darren's murder, etc.

chuck_g · 17-12-2012 2:04am

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Why was nidge engrossed in his laptop at the end?maybe the e mail he got sent about john boy had something to do with it?

Facebook.............he loves a good ol creep. No lie!

chuck_g · 17-12-2012 2:08am

dcmm wrote: »

Am I really losing it? ,all along I thought Lizzie was in love with Darren? Why did she have his photo on her phone and gaze at it longingly .....Even if he accidentally killed her brother, she would surely have asked him was it true,and her psyco ra psyche might have let him live 'cos she loved him? She's a
mentaller anyway with her dysfunctional family background but seemed to
have a loopy soft spot for Darren.
Or maybe I'm on the wrong road altogether

I think everyone is forgetting Lizzie was the ra's top gun!! There was reference to this early on in the series. So who knows, was she told to kill him, did it out of revenge or bitterness. Either was he's dead, and not a moment too soon......he was starting to smell!

17-12-2012 2:09am

msg11 wrote: »

I just hope the brand Love/Hate dose not take a dive over board like all the actors.

If the cast stuck together it could prove to be an excellent series on an on-going basis and not just 3/4 seasons. I can't understand why the actors are all wanting to leave/be killed off ? Is it cause RTE are making, it not an international brand?

Credit where it is due, excellent production from RTE. They get a lot of stick over the programs they produce but this is right up there with the best. So well done RTE!

:rolleyes:
Because its based on Gangland. People are as disposable as a dirty nappy. What did you think would happen? Did you think Nidge would present Darren with a silver watch and a purple heart for Bravery?

It wouldnt be much of a gangland drama if none of the cast were killed now would it?

Darren couldnt walk away from gangland despite his brother being killed, despite losing the love of his life, despite an attempt on his own life, despite alienating himself from his sister, despite having to murder people, despite having realised Nidge is a violent pr*ck, despite having to kill Luke last series.... He still didnt walk away and he was sucked in and chewed up by the system.

17-12-2012 2:11am

Cora Mahoney wrote: »

I disagree. In fact, I think we may see the rise of some tough women next season, characters like Darren's sister Mary possibly returning via his funeral, Lizzie now transformed into a real 'hard woman' , a stone cold killer now with nothing to lose. Curious too how Siobhan is going to take it when she hears of Darren's murder, etc.

She could be a female version of Darren perhaps? A cold hard killer carrying guilt and an inability to walk away?

meath12 · 17-12-2012 2:12am

alot of people seem to want nidge killed in the next series but i think these people dont realise the show really would be crap without nidge. from series 1 he was always the main character and even though hes a snake, hes probably the most real because the viewers know exactly what he is like. it wont be the same without darren but it was always going to be better having darren killed than nidge. darren was always made out as the innocent one even though hes killed alot more people than the rest of them. i felt sorry for nidge because he really seemed like he didnt want to have darren shot and when he rang him, i think he seemed almost happy that he was still alive. and when darren got shot while on the phone, nidge wouldnt have known who shot him, for all he knew it couldve been elmo or aido but he still was genuinely upset.

Cartel Mike · 17-12-2012 2:13am

I don't think the ra will even feature in next series.

Dazzler's character ran out of places to go I guess.
Was a bit careless that he completely dispatched with the Dublin accent altogether after the first series anyway.

I'd have been disappointed if they killed off Nidge instead of Darren.Nidge is the show really. The fact that he's so hated a character by now is a testament to how credible his acting is.

Not totally convinced by Fran in this show at all.

But it's brilliant show.

17-12-2012 2:16am

meath12 wrote: »

alot of people seem to want nidge killed in the next series but i think these people dont realise the show really would be crap without nidge. from series 1 he was always the main character and even though hes a snake, hes probably the most real because the viewers know exactly what he is like. it wont be the same without darren but it was always going to be better having darren killed than nidge. darren was always made out as the innocent one even though hes killed alot more people than the rest of them. i felt sorry for nidge because he really seemed like he didnt want to have darren shot and when he rang him, i think he seemed almost happy that he was still alive. and when darren got shot while on the phone, nidge wouldnt have known who shot him, for all he knew it couldve been elmo or aido but he still was genuinely upset.

It would be crap and TVL is one talented dude but as a gangland boss we'd like to keep the cycle going and see him get whacked. Most of the real villains in soaps and dramas are the most despicable of characters that you want to see getting punished and in gangland there is a continous cycle of leaders being blasted and new boys emerging.

chuck_g · 17-12-2012 2:19am

Intelligence was never Dano's strong point.............anyone else see whats wrong here?? Republic of telly will have a field day

Gadgetman496 · 17-12-2012 2:24am

Maybe he's calling Australia

meath12 · 17-12-2012 2:25am

Deleted User wrote: »

It would be crap and TVL is one talented dude but as a gangland boss we'd like to keep the cycle going and see him get whacked. Most of the real villains in soaps and dramas are the most despicable of characters that you want to see getting punished and in gangland there is a continous cycle of leaders being blasted and new boys emerging.

i know that he eventually will have to be killed especially because hes a gangland boss but the thing that im saying is its stupid people wanting nidge to be killed just because they blame him for darren dieing, even though he seemed upset by it. i think it was the first time we've even seen nidge getting emotional about having to get someone killed.

17-12-2012 2:34am

meath12 wrote: »

i know that he eventually will have to be killed especially because hes a gangland boss but the thing that im saying is its stupid people wanting nidge to be killed just because they blame him for darren dieing, even though he seemed upset by it. i think it was the first time we've even seen nidge getting emotional about having to get someone killed.

Sure Nidge Weasel sent him down the river after he saving his life. Im glad Nidge is staying on cos he is terrific and comes out with some brilliant one liners but i accept in order for the show to keep up with the real life goings on as best as they can they have to bring him to a conclusion at some point.

dcmm · 17-12-2012 2:36am

I think Fran is a real psycho creep.His treatment of Donna(dimwit) at the party
and his tonsorial treat :rolleyes: for her,as a threat apart from an acid facial promise, gave me the shivers.
Not to mention his artistic barrelling of Git, and
stupid cunning facial expressions coupled with a ravenous appetite for greasy breakfast man grub after pulverising the ra rapist....
He's a dark dork:pac:

17-12-2012 2:46am

Ironman76 · 17-12-2012 3:02am

Jimdagym wrote: »

Don't know how you can expect the whole world to hold its tongue until 2 of your friends decided its time to jump aboard.

Nonsense. By that logic its okay to post the ending to every movie I ever see in the cinema on my FB status.

Love this show. I wonder how long they can keep churning out quality like this? I like that the writers show a bit of balls and kill off key characters. Gives the show great credibility and cant wait to see what happens next.

DOK94 · 17-12-2012 3:35am

I had a huge 'Layer Cake' moment tonight ,when witnessing the climax unfold, the ending of said film and this series is quite similar,.. (Looks suspiciously at writers)

IsMiseLisa · 17-12-2012 4:23am

Ah, they had it fairly obviously set up from the moment Darren rescued Nidge from the boot of the car that Darren was on the way out.

Ultimately, one of those two were gonna die--it was the set-up of the season, really. As for next season, I presume Lizzie will step up. And Nidge will go proper psycho. After that, I dunno what will happen.

I did think that episode 5 and 6 were a bit weak in places. There were quiet moments dropped in as pure filled--especially episode 5, but it was all entertaining enough all the same.

K.Flyer · 17-12-2012 4:24am

AG2R wrote: »

Nobody else cop on that Darren was getting shot when Nidge handed him the money? His reaction to Darren saying thought you were going to stiff me gave it away tbh

From the moment Nidge said Darrens name to Tony the RA man in the bedroom you knew Darren was going to be shot one way or the other. And the conversation between Fran and Nidge on the way home only confirmed it.

17-12-2012 4:33am

These paintings are like something Rasher would do. Excellent i might add though Nidge wont be happy he is even baldier in his

thefa · 17-12-2012 5:08am

DOK94 wrote: »

I had a huge 'Layer Cake' moment tonight ,when witnessing the climax unfold, the ending of said film and this series is quite similar,.. (Looks suspiciously at writers)

There were fairly different I think. Daniel Craig's character was in control, had it all sussed out and got blind sided. Darren was caught off guard but he had lost the plot.

I was looking at the scene with two minutes to go and thinking how it should have been of him bursting into Nidge's and catching Nidge on the hop but he was there ringing him instead so the writing was on the wall.

He had too many enemies at that stage to survive but (for what it's worth) I was glad Elmo didn't get to it done anyways.

willmunny1990 · 17-12-2012 7:20am

Good episode IMO.

Can't get over Nidge relied on Elmo to get the job done, could of hired someone more reliable and smart as Darren is fairly cunning.

I was never really in fear for Nidge's life to be honest, the show would of really suffered without him IMO while losing Darren is no big deal as I think there is a lot more to do with Nidge's character over Darren's. Nidge will inevitably get clipped though when the time is right.

Season 4 is going to be interesting.

Galwayguy35 · 17-12-2012 7:44am

So Darren is dead and he never even got a chance to finish growing his little beard.

I wonder will it ever come out about Nidge and Frans wife?

Looks like Fran will be Nidges right hand man next season.

deelite · 17-12-2012 8:35am

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Well someone was going to get killed to end series 3 and I think Darren was always the favourite considering Robert Sheehan probably has the most other job offers to fall back on like Aidan Gillen after the last series.

Sheehan is on the BBC Show "Me and Mrs Jones", which is possibly not being renewed by the BBC - there was a twitter campaign last week to try and save the show.

Sir Gallagher · 17-12-2012 10:23am

Unreal Rock Shandy slo mo pour in last nights episode. Groundbreaking stuff.

Tombo2001 · 17-12-2012 10:26am

A.Partridge wrote: »

I enjoyed the episode I have to say.

I had predicted that Darren would be killed by Lizzie RA bird but thought the motive would have been because of his closeness with Siobhan. Still though great twist in the end.

Wouldnt really have called it a twist......you could see by her reaction after the second brother died that she was fairly fuppin pissed off.

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