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Domestic Solar PV Quotes 2020

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,500 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    Deagol wrote: »
    For comparison:

    18x 340 Qcells (~6.1kw) cost price: ~€2800
    Mounting hardware: ~€500
    Solax 4.2kw inverter: €550

    Total: €3850. plus cabling etc add another 2-300e.

    I'll let you draw your own conclusions!

    Your prices above are for equipment only.. I am presuming the posters quotes are for installing on the roof (scaffolding etc) commissioning etc. so you need to add that in. Unless the poster quotes were for only for the equipment.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭championc


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Your prices above are for equipment only.. I am presuming the posters quotes are for installing on the roof (scaffolding etc) commissioning etc. so you need to add that in. Unless the poster quotes were for only for the equipment.

    So let's add €4k for 2 guys for a 1.5 day install ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Deagol


    ECO_Mental wrote: »
    Your prices above are for equipment only.. I am presuming the posters quotes are for installing on the roof (scaffolding etc) commissioning etc. so you need to add that in. Unless the poster quotes were for only for the equipment.

    That was the point of my post. That anything left over was Labour / profit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    What would be fair for labour?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    championc wrote: »
    So let's add €4k for 2 guys for a 1.5 day install ?

    €1k labour
    €3k profits

    Ha! Now we now where the subsidy goes. Terrible waste of tax payers money.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    2 guys 1.5 days - I’d give them more than 1k but still 4K looks like the norm on most quotes ..anyone actually get a breakdown on an invoice? I’m sure it’s retail prices and the labour cost is mixed in so it wouldn’t look so bad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭championc


    2 guys 1.5 days - I’d give them more than 1k but still 4K looks like the norm on most quotes ..anyone actually get a breakdown on an invoice? I’m sure it’s retail prices and the labour cost is mixed in so it wouldn’t look so bad.

    Would you seriously expect someone to list
    1k labour and 3k ripoff profit and give the exact price of materials ?

    I think most posters who has systems professionally installed would confirm the install as being about 1.5 days, although I expect for many, it was all done same day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 430 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    championc wrote: »
    Would you seriously expect someone to list
    1k labour and 3k ripoff profit and give the exact price of materials ?

    I think most posters who has systems professionally installed would confirm the install as being about 1.5 days, although I expect for many, it was all done same day.

    No I’m not expecting them to list 1k labour or a 3k rip-off profit but am just wondering what’s a fair price and do people get itemised quotes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭championc


    championc wrote: »
    Would you seriously expect someone to list
    1k labour and 3k ripoff profit and give the exact price of materials ?

    I think most posters who has systems professionally installed would confirm the install as being about 1.5 days, although I expect for many, it was all done same day.

    No I’m not expecting them to list 1k labour or a 3k rip-off profit but am just wondering what’s a fair price and do people get itemised quotes.

    Look at the RETAIL prices of kit on Midsummer.ie or Solartricity.ie, and work it out roughly. Installers in the trade get at least 25% discount on these prices, which should be enough for their profit I would have thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭luketitz


    I was reading a thing on the Bord Gais site earlier and noticed they've partnered up with Energlaze - https://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/home/solar-energy-guide

    Anyone have any experience using them at all (through this partnership or otherwise)?

    Used another firm on the old gaff a few years ago and was impressed but keen to see if we can save a few bob later this year through this deal at all, before I go getting quotes though, would like to know a bit more about these installers!


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,280 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    luketitz wrote: »
    I was reading a thing on the Bord Gais site earlier and noticed they've partnered up with Energlaze - https://www.bordgaisenergy.ie/home/solar-energy-guide

    Anyone have any experience using them at all (through this partnership or otherwise)?

    Used another firm on the old gaff a few years ago and was impressed but keen to see if we can save a few bob later this year through this deal at all, before I go getting quotes though, would like to know a bit more about these installers!

    Haven't heard of them, a lot of waffle but good starting information on the page..

    Until you get a quote for them, you wont know where they stand. Could be like energia! 14k for a 2kw system and a battery.

    A lot of marketing w... too "bespoke software" to calculate your annual generation, like the eu.website where you plug all your details in and press go?

    "Hybrid inverters with ai" - bit rich calling it AI,
    It's just calculations running off measurements, I wouldn't class that as AI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭idc


    The company you mention is very similar to one with an number in its name!
    Pushy salesman. Kept telling me I'd be saving the planet and I'd save a fortune. As he wanted to close the deal there and then he kept asking could he ring my wife to convince her to get solar PV!

    They hadn't started the tactic whereby salesperson will not visit unless you and your partner attend sales pitch!

    We're not supposed to name installation companies on due to forum rules!


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,280 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    idc wrote: »
    The company you mention is very similar to one with an number in its name!
    Pushy salesman. Kept telling me I'd be saving the planet and I'd save a fortune. As he wanted to close the deal there and then he kept asking could he ring my wife to convince her to get solar PV!
    Yeah even if they were giving the deal of the century, if a salesman started **** like that Id be telling them to jog on.

    I don't think the wife would be as polite! And it wouldn't be worth it for me to give them her number!

    If a deal like that won't be there tomorrow, they won't be getting my business. *

    *Bargin second hand cars/when there is only one of them are an exception - but if it's a bargin you prob won't be having a pushy salesman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    idc wrote: »
    The company you mention is very similar to one with an number in its name!

    Is that a very active company and is the number an 8? :p

    Sad thing is that an industry insider told me they are the largest renewable installer in the country. Imagine all those thousands of people who overpaid so much that their system will never pay for itself :-(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭KAGY


    unkel wrote: »
    Is that a very active company and is the number an 8? :p

    Sad thing is that an industry insider told me they are the largest renewable installer in the country. Imagine all those thousands of people who overpaid so much that their system will never pay for itself :-(

    Apart from the ones who screwed their neighbours and got it for free


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭idc


    minnow wrote: »


    Created a thread with government link for this


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058149744

    (Is there a better way to link to another thread?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK


    Dose anyone know if I request an early installation of a Smart Meter is there a cost and if so how much.
    I just want to be FIT ready.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Are smart meters essential when FIT comes in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭MAULBROOK


    6 wrote: »
    Are smart meters essential when FIT comes in?

    Apparently so.
    Personally i would rather my old mechanical meter that ran backwards when I was sending power back. AH the good old days.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,734 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Are they expensive and what's a decent recommendation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    MAULBROOK wrote: »
    Dose anyone know if I request an early installation of a Smart Meter is there a cost and if so how much.
    I just want to be FIT ready.

    No direct cost to you. You can ask your provider to bump you up the list and get it early. No guarantee you will get it early though.

    One gotcha is that at the moment you would have to be on a 24hr tariff.... they havent got the software setup yet for the day/night tariff so if you use day/night already you would be stuck to go back to 24hr tariff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    KAGY wrote: »
    Apart from the ones who screwed their neighbours and got it for free

    Nah, they don't exist. That's how that active company tries to sell it to you, you are the first, you'll get it for free. Yeah, only if 10 of your neighbours pay an even more exorbitant price than you are paying. They won't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Kev3434


    Hi. I've had two companies quote for a system and I'm getting conflicting information. The first said panels can go right up to the ridge. The second said they must be minimum 500mm from all edges, including the ridge(?!) in order to comply with regulations and grant requirements. I was in touch with the SEAI and a self confessed non-technical person told me the latter is correct. This would obviously reduced my own perceived roof space significantly. Does anyone know which is correct? Thanks in advance


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Kev3434 wrote: »
    Hi. I've had two companies quote for a system and I'm getting conflicting information. The first said panels can go right up to the ridge. The second said they must be minimum 500mm from all edges, including the ridge(?!) in order to comply with regulations and grant requirements. I was in touch with the SEAI and a self confessed non-technical person told me the latter is correct. This would obviously reduced my own perceived roof space significantly. Does anyone know which is correct? Thanks in advance

    The SEAI person is correct.... assuming you want to utilise the grant.

    The SEAI do sometimes inspect the job before paying the grant and if they see the panels clung to the ridge they can/will refuse to pay until its fixed.

    Search for 500mm in here
    https://www.seai.ie/publications/Code-of-Practice-Solar-PV-Grant.pdf

    If you are not using the grant (if your house is 2011 or newer) then fire away and do whatever you wish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Tradnuts


    Kev3434 wrote: »
    Hi. I've had two companies quote for a system and I'm getting conflicting information. The first said panels can go right up to the ridge. The second said they must be minimum 500mm from all edges, including the ridge(?!) in order to comply with regulations and grant requirements. I was in touch with the SEAI and a self confessed non-technical person told me the latter is correct. This would obviously reduced my own perceived roof space significantly. Does anyone know which is correct? Thanks in advance

    The 500mm is correct as far as i know.
    My installer however said because my panels were not road facing and not requiring any planning permission and the seai hardly ever visit, they were happy to fit as many as they could without leaving the full 500mm all around.
    They went right up to the ridge, but left a space on the left and right, but less than 500mm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Kev3434


    KCross wrote: »
    The SEAI person is correct.... assuming you want to utilise the grant.

    The SEAI do sometimes inspect the job before paying the grant and if they see the panels clung to the ridge they can/will refuse to pay until its fixed.

    Search for 500mm in here
    https://www.seai.ie/publications/Code-of-Practice-Solar-PV-Grant.pdf

    If you are not using the grant (if your house is 2011 or newer) then fire away and do whatever you wish.

    Unreal! Thanks a million! The guy stood here and said the ridge was not considered a roof edge. Just the eaves and gables.
    One company down!


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Kev3434


    Tradnuts wrote: »
    The 500mm is correct as far as i know.
    My installer however said because my panels were not road facing and not requiring any planning permission and the seai hardly ever visit, they were happy to fit as many as they could without leaving the full 500mm all around.
    They went right up to the ridge, but left a space on the left and right, but less than 500mm.

    Thanjs a million. I won't be taking any chances. Removes the consideration of a battery too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,707 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Tradnuts wrote: »
    The 500mm is correct as far as i know.
    My installer however said because my panels were not road facing and not requiring any planning permission and the seai hardly ever visit, they were happy to fit as many as they could without leaving the full 500mm all around.
    They went right up to the ridge, but left a space on the left and right, but less than 500mm.

    LOL and that installer was SEAI approved. Facing the road or not makes no difference for planning permission. You will need it if you install more than 7 panels. Not that it is enforced. Nothing ever is enforced in this country. No wonder nobody adheres to the law...


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Tradnuts wrote: »
    The 500mm is correct as far as i know.
    My installer however said because my panels were not road facing and not requiring any planning permission and the seai hardly ever visit, they were happy to fit as many as they could without leaving the full 500mm all around.
    They went right up to the ridge, but left a space on the left and right, but less than 500mm.

    Be careful here, I had mine done and the installer (and I and the roofers) all insisted on the 50cm rule.
    Part of the grant process was uploading of photos and the SEAI did come back to get clearer photos of the panels installed so they do check.
    My installer did my place, my brothers and his neighbour all in the same fortnight and BOTH my brother and his neighbour were visited by an SEAI inspector and neither have received the grant yet (all above board, just paperwork) a month after their inspection.
    I got my grant after something like 18 working days without an inspection.

    PS I have way over the number of panels allowed (36m2) and SEAI don't care but they do care about the edge gaps


  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭sphinxicus


    slave1 wrote: »
    PS I have way over the number of panels allowed (36m2) and SEAI don't care but they do care about the edge gaps


    Is there an explanation somewhere as to why the 50cm edge gap stipulation applies? Is it purely from an aesthetics point of view or is it something safety related such as high winds being able to catch the panels more if they are too close to an exposed edge?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    AFAIK it's wind in terms of safety and not having them fly off and also noise, could be totally wrong in all that though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Dubstar07


    Hi all,

    Looking to dip my toe in....been on the radar for a while. Two queries:

    1. Has anyone gone about the process slightly different, in going to the suppliers with a spec of kit they want, (like a standard tender) rather than just asking for them to quote?

    2. With the FIT consultation announced, are prices expected to change much from the installation companies?

    Thanks, Dub


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭championc


    Dubstar07 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Looking to dip my toe in....been on the radar for a while. Two queries:

    1. Has anyone gone about the process slightly different, in going to the suppliers with a spec of kit they want, (like a standard tender) rather than just asking for them to quote?

    2. With the FIT consultation announced, are prices expected to change much from the installation companies?

    Thanks, Dub

    Well people SHOULD go and price the kit with midsummer.ie or solartricity.ie and see how much they are then being ripped off by.

    Some like me just went to those companies and bought the stuff !!!

    Demand will increase and sellers will get busier. So they may be less inclined to be beaten down on price for sure. Time will tell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Dubstar07 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Looking to dip my toe in....been on the radar for a while. Two queries:

    1. Has anyone gone about the process slightly different, in going to the suppliers with a spec of kit they want, (like a standard tender) rather than just asking for them to quote?

    2. With the FIT consultation announced, are prices expected to change much from the installation companies?

    Thanks, Dub

    Many companies won't quote what you specify unless it aligns with their preferences. At the end of the day, they will have to stand over the installation and warranties etc, and they have to be comfortable with the equipment.

    TBH, if I had a vendor who was happy to quote me anything I wanted without question I would question their experience and the likelihood of them backing it up in the case of problems.

    In my case, I had an idea what I wanted but when the supplier suggested substitues or alternatives I was inclined to go with their recommendations. Seems a bit pointless employing professionals and then disregarding their advise? I took careful note of what they said though and went and did my own checking to make sure it aligned with their statements etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭idc


    championc wrote: »
    Well people SHOULD go and price the kit with midsummer.ie or solartricity.ie and see how much they are then being ripped off by.

    Some like me just went to those companies and bought the stuff !!!

    That makes sense if your happy going up on roof and fitting panels yourself or doing much of the cabling and setup and generally enjoy DIY.

    But there will be plenty of people who are not comfortable doing that. So difference between price of midsummer /solarcity and an installer is immaterial.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Kev3434


    Dubstar07 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Looking to dip my toe in....been on the radar for a while. Two queries:

    1. Has anyone gone about the process slightly different, in going to the suppliers with a spec of kit they want, (like a standard tender) rather than just asking for them to quote?

    2. With the FIT consultation announced, are prices expected to change much from the installation companies?

    Thanks, Dub

    I've told a couple what I'd like. The hard sell comes after that.... With more panels, batteries you can achieve x,y,z...
    I have had two suppliers who engaged in the conversation and didn't try to up sell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭championc


    idc wrote: »
    That makes sense if your happy going up on roof and fitting panels yourself or doing much of the cabling and setup and generally enjoy DIY.

    But there will be plenty of people who are not comfortable doing that. So difference between price of midsummer /solarcity and an installer is immaterial.

    The point I was trying to make was that someone who knows what they want should price it up and see the RETAIL cost of the kit.

    So I was not advocating DIY installs. I was suggesting that people educate themselves on the cost of the equipment.

    There are far too many on here asking if this or that quote is reasonable when they clear are or are not, based on very simple calculations


  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭minnow


    Dubstar07 wrote: »
    Hi all,

    Looking to dip my toe in....been on the radar for a while. Two queries:

    1. Has anyone gone about the process slightly different, in going to the suppliers with a spec of kit they want, (like a standard tender) rather than just asking for them to quote?

    2. With the FIT consultation announced, are prices expected to change much from the installation companies?

    Thanks, Dub

    I went out to several companies with a functional spec of what I wanted, i.e. the capacity of the system, no diverter, no battery. I left the selection of the type of panel/inverter to them.
    There were a couple that tried to convince me to look at adding a battery but they didn't try too hard when they understood that I had looked into options myself and was not interested.

    I think that the coverage of a FIT will definitely create more demand for solar PV which will increase prices. It will probably attract a few more companies to install the systems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Dubstar07


    Thanks all for the responses, I’ll steer away from putting a spec together I don’t have enough knowledge! I’ll read up a bit more before getting onto the masses!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭championc


    Dubstar07 wrote: »
    Thanks all for the responses, I’ll steer away from putting a spec together I don’t have enough knowledge! I’ll read up a bit more before getting onto the masses!

    Is your roof south facing ? Work out your available space and then look at the approximate size of panels to get an idea as to how many will fit.

    Be aware of potential shading, especially during Winter sun.

    And what is your baseload during a standard afternoon ? Ideally, you want to try and cover the base load on a semi crappy day. That's why you should install as many panels as you can fit - and even more so if you ever have plans to go with an EV


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭Dubstar07


    championc wrote: »
    Is your roof south facing ? Work out your available space and then look at the approximate size of panels to get an idea as to how many will fit.

    Be aware of potential shading, especially during Winter sun.

    And what is your baseload during a standard afternoon ? Ideally, you want to try and cover the base load on a semi crappy day. That's why you should install as many panels as you can fit - and even more so if you ever have plans to go with an EV

    Yep, south facing roof, should have minimal shading, chimney on west side of the roof. Annual consumption is approx 4,600 kWh, need to work out base load. No EV on the horizon just yet, but it will arrive at some point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭championc


    Dubstar07 wrote: »
    Yep, south facing roof, should have minimal shading, chimney on west side of the roof. Annual consumption is approx 4,600 kWh, need to work out base load. No EV on the horizon just yet, but it will arrive at some point.

    So be planning for installation starting in the bottom right hand corner, and with two strings, make sure that one is going to be 100% shadow free.

    Look currently at where the shadow is thrown, and work out where it will be roughly later in the year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 202 ✭✭minnow


    minnow wrote: »
    Hi all, great thread.

    I'm looking into getting solar PV, ~6kW split approx 70/30% on South/West facing roof based on available space. Annual consumption 10,000 kWh, 35% night rate, heat pump system. I'm going relatively large on the install to maximise the output in winter when we need it most. Planning to move to an EV in coming months which I will charge on night rate during week and from the solar at the weekends.

    Based on the advice on this thread I won't be considering a hot water diverter or battery. I believe we'll have a FIT sooner than later so will hopefully be making a few Euros in the summers.

    I have a number of quotes and would appreciate your thoughts:

    Quote1: 5kW, 14x360W Longi + Solis 5k inverter: 7377 Eur incl VAT
    Quote2: 6kW, 370W Trinasolar + Solax inverter: 8430 incl VAT
    Quote3: 4.2kW, 14x320W Amerisolar + Trannergy inverter: 7000 incl VAT

    I will be asking all to add in panels to bring up to 6kW.

    House 5 yrs old, no grant applicable.

    Thanks in advance

    Just an update to this post.

    I went back to these suppliers and another suggested through PM. I ended up with a 25% reduction on a per kW basis.

    I'm going ahead with a 6kW system for 6700 EUR (no grant applicable). Installer from NI. At about 1100 EUR/kW installed I think it's a reasonable price.

    The moral is: get plenty of quotes and don't be shy to go back to them for their best price.

    Thanks for the feedback and PMs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    Just have to the go ahead to the for the following quote

    5kw Array of 340w panels (will add more down the line. This is all that could be added due to SEAI regs and odd shaped roof on the garage)
    5kw hybrid inverter - Solis
    4.8kwh Pylontec battery
    Iboost for water.
    And all associated bits and bobs.

    €8300 before grant. Happy enough with that.

    Thanks to Slave1 for the details.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    There is a FiT just around the corner(this summer). Why install a battery or the iBoost? Just utilise the FiT and get paid for all the excess.

    At the very least get a few quotes without the battery and diverter included.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    TBH, I’m not sure the FIT rate is going to be that great. would rather make use of the excess myself.

    Haven’t been able to find any confirmation or information of it but on Newstalk last week they were discussing it and they mentioned something along the lines of only A rated houses would be able to avail of the FIT. Ours is far from that. Only 90% sure certain I’ll make the C rating.

    The diverted to the water is just for pure laziness and comfort.

    The ROI on the install wasn’t a major consideration in our choice.

    Would like to get to the stage where the grid is there as a backup for our power needs.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,192 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I hope not A only as I had a right barney with my Assessor and I was B1 and held back due to my old inefficient oil burner.
    He said I'd get a A if I got a new burner with 86%+ efficiency but what pissed me off is I get my burner serviced and tested regularly and had all the efficiency readings kept and not one of them was below 86% so I should already have the A rating.
    His story was the BER system was "hard coding" a less than 86% rating for my model of burner given it's age and it could not be changed.
    What a load of boll1x.
    The other way for me to get to an A rating was to go mad with deeper insulation in my attic but that's a no no as I have it laid out for storage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭Deagol


    If it's only A rated houses I'm going to go nuts. I've spent 1000's getting my house to B3 - I don't see why it matter what the rating of house is if we're giving power back to the ESB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Boscoirl


    Found the news talk segment. It was Eamon Ryan on Pat Kenny.

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/households-should-be-able-to-sell-excess-renewable-power-by-summer-ryan-1134758

    From around the 22nd min

    It was actually Pat Kenny that mentioned the A rating requirement


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