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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Benimar wrote: »
    It’s a bit nuts. The one group who could handle online best (age and interest) are the ones going in to class. Sounds nuts to me.

    They are also the age group with the most cases over last month


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭am_zarathustra


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    Yeah, I do wonder what the teachers really think/go through. We can certainly read through the lines of course and hear some things too.
    The principal is hard enough work I know that much. The pa committees have all had a rough time of it.



    That sounds good to at least have a bit of fun/learning online if no live lessons. Will be interesting now to see what comes from our kids' school. Would love to see recorded things happening or live, either works for us. Anything but emails from the principal. :rolleyes:

    Really great to hear from you both about your approaches, it's interesting. One of my good friends growing up is a teacher and I have a lot of respect for the preparation that goes into the lessons as a result.

    I got the same feedback at secondary. A lot of pressure on the household to be live all the time. Video explanations and very targeted work along with engagement in chat and a weekly optional check-in worked the best for the students when we polled them. They liked the videos a lot actually because they could rewind if they didn't understand a part too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    I got the same feedback at secondary. A lot of pressure on the household to be live all the time. Video explanations and very targeted work along with engagement in chat and a weekly optional check-in worked the best for the students when we polled them. They liked the videos a lot actually because they could rewind if they didn't understand a part too

    This was the feedback in our place as well. We were told that often school work was at the very bottom of the list of priorities. Siblings often looking after younger siblings, lack of devices, etc were reasons given why live doesn't work for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    I got the same feedback at secondary. A lot of pressure on the household to be live all the time. Video explanations and very targeted work along with engagement in chat and a weekly optional check-in worked the best for the students when we polled them. They liked the videos a lot actually because they could rewind if they didn't understand a part too

    Our school is exactly the same. The live classes put enormous pressure on families and students. They asked for self paced


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    I would be surprised if LC classes were in, all those students, their teachers, school principals, admin staff, snas, school cleaners, bus drivers in therefore also. Don't think so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭TTLF
    save the trouble and jazz it up


    Think what was said on the 9pm news isn't proper or something

    "The Taoiseach said he would not speculate about whether exam students would be brought back to the classroom before other school years, but "we are conscious of the disruption they face and we will do everything we can to support them."

    He said "schools are safe", but it is about the mobilisation of a million people in the context of a very high level of disease in the community.

    That is why the Government is "looking at school closures being extended to the end of the month".

    Basically for now, I don't think any year is going back because the reason they're closed in the first place is to stop the mixing of people.

    Article here
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0105/1187701-covid-ireland-politics/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Irish examiner
    “ However, Education Minister Norma Foley hopes to keep the country's 124 special education schools and 1,836 special classes in mainstream schools open.

    She was still working on the finer details of this on Tuesday ahead of Wednesday's crunch Cabinet meeting.

    It is understood that allowing Leaving Cert students to attend school was considered but this was dismissed as it would mean around 60,000 pupils would still be mixing.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    km79 wrote: »
    Irish examiner
    “ However, Education Minister Norma Foley hopes to keep the country's 124 special education schools and 1,836 special classes in mainstream schools open.

    She was still working on the finer details of this on Tuesday ahead of Wednesday's crunch Cabinet meeting.

    It is understood that allowing Leaving Cert students to attend school was considered but this was dismissed as it would mean around 60,000 pupils would still be mixing.”

    Hmm, wonder does this mean that the plan to have key/essential workers children in in primary school is gone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    km79 wrote: »
    Irish examiner
    “ However, Education Minister Norma Foley hopes to keep the country's 124 special education schools and 1,836 special classes in mainstream schools open.

    She was still working on the finer details of this on Tuesday ahead of Wednesday's crunch Cabinet meeting.

    It is understood that allowing Leaving Cert students to attend school was considered but this was dismissed as it would mean around 60,000 pupils would still be mixing.”

    My god, is that common sense i see in the department :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    TTLF wrote: »
    Think what was said on the 9pm news isn't proper or something

    "The Taoiseach said he would not speculate about whether exam students would be brought back to the classroom before other school years, but "we are conscious of the disruption they face and we will do everything we can to support them."

    He said "schools are safe", but it is about the mobilisation of a million people in the context of a very high level of disease in the community.

    That is why the Government is "looking at school closures being extended to the end of the month".

    Basically for now, I don't think any year is going back because the reason they're closed in the first place is to stop the mixing of people.

    Article here
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0105/1187701-covid-ireland-politics/
    km79 wrote: »
    Irish examiner
    “ However, Education Minister Norma Foley hopes to keep the country's 124 special education schools and 1,836 special classes in mainstream schools open.

    She was still working on the finer details of this on Tuesday ahead of Wednesday's crunch Cabinet meeting.

    It is understood that allowing Leaving Cert students to attend school was considered but this was dismissed as it would mean around 60,000 pupils would still be mixing.”

    Oh man, here's us all going "just let us know what the plan is" ..... they don't feckin know what the plan is :eek:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭TTLF
    save the trouble and jazz it up


    Hmm, wonder does this mean that the plan to have key/essential workers children in in primary school is gone?

    Think the issue behind that was in today's loophole society "what counts as essential?" but they really should figure that out. I mean if the UK could do it, we can too :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    If the LCs miss another 3 wks minimum I wud imagine the pressure to move to predictive wud ramp up from parent and student groups. They'd have missed more than last year's group and at a crucial time in the school year.

    Government are fully committed to a LC running as scheduled but I don't see that as being compatible with them being off site for another 3 wks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    If the LCs miss another 3 wks minimum I wud imagine the pressure to move to predictive wud ramp up from parent and student groups. They'd have missed more than last year's group and at a crucial time in the school year.

    Government are fully committed to a LC running as scheduled but I don't see that as being compatible with them being off site for another 3 wks.

    How many weeks into the March closure was predicted grades announced? I can't remember


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    TTLF wrote: »
    Think the issue behind that was in today's loophole society "what counts as essential?" but they really should figure that out. I mean if the UK could do it, we can too :pac:

    It's a difficult one isn't it. We all want people like doctors, nurses, gardai, firefighters, food production people, supermarket workers to be in their place of work but what to do about their chdren without causing other problems.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    How many weeks into the March closure was predicted grades announced? I can't remember

    That’s not even taking into account students and whole year groups who have already been online this year due to outbreaks.

    The reduction in content in my subjects doesn’t go far enough. Music practicals need to be shortened for example. It’s worth 50% of the exam and none of the groups with voice/wind have been able to practice properly together all year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,254 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    How many weeks into the March closure was predicted grades announced? I can't remember

    Early May !


  • Registered Users Posts: 672 ✭✭✭TTLF
    save the trouble and jazz it up


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    How many weeks into the March closure was predicted grades announced? I can't remember

    I kid you not, it was literally around May 24th or longer. I remember well because, my friend next door called me and I shouted down from my room to her garden as she was frantic over the news.

    So about 2 weeks or so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    The extended closure of most schools until the end of the month, along with a review on 30 January, is among proposals to battle the spread of Covid-19 which will be discussed by Cabinet tomorrow.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0105/1187701-covid-ireland-politics/

    The 30th is a Saturday. Review on Saturday, find out on Sunday, everybody back on Monday.

    Typical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    How many weeks into the March closure was predicted grades announced? I can't remember

    May 8th.

    Just push back the LC a couple of weeks. 3rd Level started lectures late this year, so can do he same next year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    How many weeks into the March closure was predicted grades announced? I can't remember

    It was around May 8 I think


  • Registered Users Posts: 589 ✭✭✭vid36


    Folks , there is no way the schools will open as normal in February. Best case scenario is around 2000 cases in 3 weeks. With the British more transmissible strain set to become dominant, I cannot see Ssecondary back fully. It will have to be a week on , week off hybrid model. They will do everything to try to operate primary as normal though.I hope they will be ready.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    If special schools and classes are to remain open no matter how dire the situation is, should the staff not be vaccinated alongside healthcare workers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    If May 8th then - taking out the Easter holidays, that would have been after 6 weeks of face-to-face classes missed.

    I don't think scrapping the exams for 6ths is a good idea, for reasons I've laid out before (https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115807735&postcount=7919) but if they go remote for 6 weeks this year, you can see how it will be pushed for


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    vid36 wrote: »
    Folks , there is no way the schools will open as normal in February. Best case scenario is around 2000 cases in 3 weeks. With the British more transmissible strain set to become dominant, I cannot see Ssecondary back fully. It will have to be a week on , week off hybrid model. They will do everything to try to operate primary as normal though.I hope they will be ready.

    It would be criminal if they try to operate primary normally knowing that the new strain is 50% more transmissinble in younget students including under 9s.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    If May 8th then - taking out the Easter holidays, that would have been after 6 weeks of face-to-face classes missed.

    I don't think scrapping the exams for 6ths is a good idea, for reasons I've laid out before (will edit to attach link to previous post) but if they go remote for 6 weeks this year, you can see how it will be pushed for

    Plus this year's students also lost those same six weeks last year as well as individuals, classes or whole schools may have been shut isolating or their teachers may have been isolating.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Plus this year's students also lost those same six weeks last year as well as individuals, classes or whole schools may have been shut isolating or their teachers may have been isolating.

    Yes they did, which is part of the reason I think they should do an exam this year by the way, but you are right, they have missed a lot of time, so I can see predicted grading being pushed for


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭The Wordress


    I am a special class teacher with 6 pupils and 2 other adults in a small classroom. We work very closely with our pupils over the course of the day. There is absolutely no social distancing in my classroom from adults or children.

    I feel very upset that I will have to attend school every day while my colleagues from mainstream can work from home.

    I would be well able to support my parents and pupils in an online way with supplementary workpacks sent home as was done in March.

    I have no qualms about working at all but not when my colleagues are safe at home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    I am a special class teacher with 6 pupils and 2 other adults in a small classroom. We work very closely with our pupils over the course of the day. There is absolutely no social distancing in my classroom from adults or children.

    I feel very upset that I will have to attend school every day while my colleagues from mainstream can work from home.

    I would be well able to support my parents and pupils in an online way with supplementary workpacks sent home as was done in March.

    I have no qualms about working at all but not when my colleagues are safe at home.

    Do you mind me asking, do the pupils wear masks or visors? I'd imagine not, even if it is second level. I understand your upset


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    This years 6th years are far worse off than last years. I was against calculated grades last year, but I wouldn't mind them this year. (with stricter rules on what is and isn't shared with students)

    Last year my 6th years were pretty much finished the business course by the time we moved to online learning.

    I have a great bunch this year for 6th year accounting, and they worked amazingly well during online learning in 5th year, but I feel under pressure with them to get the course done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭The Wordress


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Do you mind me asking, do the pupils wear masks or visors? I'd imagine not, even if it is second level. I understand your upset

    They are all Junior ASD. No masks or visors.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    alroley wrote: »
    This years 6th years are far worse off than last years. I was against calculated grades last year, but I wouldn't mind them this year. (with stricter rules on what is and isn't shared with students)

    Would you feel that you know them or their true ability well enough to make that call though? That's what I'd be most concerned about. They have missed an inordinate amount of time

    At least with last year's 6th years you had Christmas, summer, mock exams and a full year and a bit of proper teaching to go on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,043 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    I am a special class teacher with 6 pupils and 2 other adults in a small classroom. We work very closely with our pupils over the course of the day. There is absolutely no social distancing in my classroom from adults or children.

    I feel very upset that I will have to attend school every day while my colleagues from mainstream can work from home.

    I would be well able to support my parents and pupils in an online way with supplementary workpacks sent home as was done in March.

    I have no qualms about working at all but not when my colleagues are safe at home.

    Yes it's a very tough one for you

    My two nephews had a terrible time of it back in March to September

    Their regression was unreal without school

    Their teacher certainly couldn't and wasn't able to support their parents and pupils in an online way with supplementary workpacks sent home

    My sister is very worried about their special needs units not being back for a long time and them regressing again

    The government would be trying to address that by keeping special needs going

    Of course that means they would need the teachers


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭KatW4


    I am a special class teacher with 6 pupils and 2 other adults in a small classroom. We work very closely with our pupils over the course of the day. There is absolutely no social distancing in my classroom from adults or children.

    I'm the same except I have 8 children in my class with another child due to join it on Monday. Absolutely no social distancing. We feed them, we have children in nappies and a whole range of other things going on including severe behaviour issues. They're all under the age of 9.

    I want to go back to school. I love my job but not when the numbers are this high. I'm asmathic, my fiance is a type 1 diabetic and his dad (who we live with) is going for an operation in less than 2 weeks.

    I feel like crying and I know that's silly. I know parents have it tough. It's just a horrible situation for everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    They are all Junior ASD. No masks or visors.
    KatW4 wrote: »
    I'm the same except I have 8 children in my class with another child due to join it on Monday. Absolutely no social distancing. We feed them, we have children in nappies and a whole range of other things going on including severe behaviour issues. They're all under the age of 9.

    I want to go back to school. I love my job but not when the numbers are this high. I'm asmathic, my fiance is a type 1 diabetic and his dad (who we live with) is going for an operation in less than 2 weeks.

    I feel like crying and I know that's silly. I know parents have it tough. It's just a horrible situation for everyone.

    Are ye working in units that are attached to mainstream schools?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭The Wordress


    KatW4 wrote: »
    I'm the same except I have 8 children in my class with another child due to join it on Monday. Absolutely no social distancing. We feed them, we have children in nappies and a whole range of other things going on including severe behaviour issues. They're all under the age of 9.

    I want to go back to school. I love my job but not when the numbers are this high. I'm asmathic, my fiance is a type 1 diabetic and his dad (who we live with) is going for an operation in less than 2 weeks.

    I feel like crying and I know that's silly. I know parents have it tough. It's just a horrible situation for everyone.

    I feel like bursting out crying too :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    I am a special class teacher with 6 pupils and 2 other adults in a small classroom. We work very closely with our pupils over the course of the day. There is absolutely no social distancing in my classroom from adults or children.

    I feel very upset that I will have to attend school every day while my colleagues from mainstream can work from home.

    I would be well able to support my parents and pupils in an online way with supplementary workpacks sent home as was done in March.

    I have no qualms about working at all but not when my colleagues are safe at home.

    Very hard on you but if it's any consolation, workers like yourself must be a God send for the pupils and parents. And having most people at home, including siblings of your pupils is actually making it a bit safer for you. And other teachers are working hard from home, apart from anything else it sounds like parents will be very demanding this time round ! It might be nice if they at least shortened the school day for people like yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Would you feel that you know them or their true ability well enough to make that call though? That's what I'd be most concerned about. They have missed an inordinate amount of time

    At least with last year's 6th years you had Christmas, summer, mock exams and a full year and a bit of proper teaching to go on

    That is true. I have not spent as much time with this group.

    However, they have been incredibly consistent with exams that took place in 5th year both in and out of school and their 6th year Christmas exams/class tests. They are all pretty much in the same gradeband no matter what topics (e.g always student1 H2, student2 H5 etc.)

    My class last year were so up and down I found it difficult to pick grades, at the moment I'd find it easier with my current group. But, you are very correct in saying I might not know their true ability. They could jump up grades towards the end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 198 ✭✭The Wordress


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    Are ye working in units that are attached to mainstream schools?

    Yes, attached to mainstream. By the sounds of it, everyone else will be at home, bar the special needs staff and pupils.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Mrsmum wrote: »
    Very hard on you but if it's any consolation, workers like yourself must be a God send for the pupils and parents. And having most people at home, including siblings of your pupils is actually making it a bit safer for you. And other teachers are working hard from home, apart from anything else it sounds like parents will be very demanding this time round ! It might be nice if they shortened the school day at least for people like yourself.

    or a reduced working week?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭KatW4


    Bananaleaf wrote:
    Are ye working in units that are attached to mainstream schools?

    MGLD class in a Mainstream school. We have 2 MGLD classes.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭DubLad69


    Schools were originally meant to be opening tomorrow, but they extended the holidays rather than going to remote learning.

    Do we know yet if the upcoming closures will be actual school closures or move to distance learning?


  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭All that fandango


    As a final year PME due to start my final placement block now, I feel so in limbo right now. Nothing but radio silence from our director of placement. Have no idea what is going to happen with placement right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    DubLad69 wrote: »
    Schools were originally meant to be opening tomorrow, but they extended the holidays rather than going to remote learning.

    Do we know yet if the upcoming closures will be actual school closures or move to distance learning?

    Em.... actually no, we don't. They'd surely have to be though if MM is being genuine when he says he wants to preserve the examinations or whatever he said


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    As a final year PME due to start my final placement block now, I feel so in limbo right now. Nothing but radio silence from our director of placement. Have no idea what is going to happen with placement right now.

    To be fair, what is happening it is yet to actually be announced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    As a final year PME due to start my final placement block now, I feel so in limbo right now. Nothing but radio silence from our director of placement. Have no idea what is going to happen with placement right now.

    Your director of placement probably needs to wait and see what the government has to say. What are they supposed to say to you? They don't know what is happening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    As a final year PME due to start my final placement block now, I feel so in limbo right now. Nothing but radio silence from our director of placement. Have no idea what is going to happen with placement right now.

    What do you think they can tell you right now? Absolutely nothing because no one knows anything for sure. Rumours have swirled for the past day but have kinda changed this evening so God knows what tomorrow will bring.


  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭All that fandango


    alroley wrote: »
    Your director of placement probably needs to wait and see what the government has to say. What are they supposed to say to you? They don't know what is happening.

    Every man and his dog knows what's happening. Thats the point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭alroley


    Every man and his dog knows what's happening. Thats the point.

    A university cannot send out a statement based on leaks to the media.


  • Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    DubLad69 wrote: »
    Schools were originally meant to be opening tomorrow, but they extended the holidays rather than going to remote learning.

    Do we know yet if the upcoming closures will be actual school closures or move to distance learning?

    Hopefully complete closures and claw back the days from Easter or summer holidays. Any appetite for online learning is non existent here anyway after the ****show that was lockdown number one.

    Thankfully youngest has got a new teacher this year so maybe we'll get more than one email a week if it does go online. Personally I'd prefer if they just closed for the remainder of the month and take less holidays elsewhere.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭All that fandango


    What do you think they can tell you right now? Absolutely nothing because no one knows anything for sure. Rumours have swirled for the past day but have kinda changed this evening so God knows what tomorrow will bring.

    To make absolutely no contact with us whatsoever is poor form.


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